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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind "We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural. funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it. with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ... | |||
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"To answer your question, I'm an Atheist. People who are religious find their own ways of reconciling their beliefs. I gave up trying to understand religious people a long time ago. No offense meant, just saying that it isn't my business how people understand their own beliefs. -Courtney" 
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"To answer your question, I'm an Atheist. People who are religious find their own ways of reconciling their beliefs. I gave up trying to understand religious people a long time ago. No offense meant, just saying that it isn't my business how people understand their own beliefs. -Courtney" quite. we have no desire to swing with anyone whose dishonoured brother might then try and throw acid at us | |||
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"Its something I personally struggled with for a while and is one reason I didn't allow myself to be sexually active until late. Then when I realised exactly how much I enjoyed sex and needed it more I discovered this site. Im from a religious family (protestant) and I had to say a lot of prayers to guide me but I feel like I've had enough signs that im on the right path. God will always be there for me and if its not right ill end up back on the right path. After all, he forgives so I do ask for forgiveness a lot. I know a lot would disagree with my views but I ask you not to challenge them as its taken a lot for me to allow myself to be this person and I don't want to doubt myself again. " It's your life, don't let anyone else tell you how to live it | |||
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"Its something I personally struggled with for a while and is one reason I didn't allow myself to be sexually active until late. Then when I realised exactly how much I enjoyed sex and needed it more I discovered this site. Im from a religious family (protestant) and I had to say a lot of prayers to guide me but I feel like I've had enough signs that im on the right path. God will always be there for me and if its not right ill end up back on the right path. After all, he forgives so I do ask for forgiveness a lot. I know a lot would disagree with my views but I ask you not to challenge them as its taken a lot for me to allow myself to be this person and I don't want to doubt myself again. " Agree totally and very well worded. Take care. | |||
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"To answer your question, I'm an Atheist. People who are religious find their own ways of reconciling their beliefs. I gave up trying to understand religious people a long time ago. No offense meant, just saying that it isn't my business how people understand their own beliefs. -Courtney quite. we have no desire to swing with anyone whose dishonoured brother might then try and throw acid at us" Throwing acid in someone's face is extreme, but it is a also a bit narrow minded to assume this will happen to you if you play with someone with faith. | |||
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"To answer your question, I'm an Atheist. People who are religious find their own ways of reconciling their beliefs. I gave up trying to understand religious people a long time ago. No offense meant, just saying that it isn't my business how people understand their own beliefs. -Courtney quite. we have no desire to swing with anyone whose dishonoured brother might then try and throw acid at us" Right.... Bit of an overstatement, no? Has this ever happened to you?
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ..."No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe. Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question. FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise. In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers. | |||
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers. "Well said | |||
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers. "I just fell in love with you a little bit. Hope this is ok? | |||
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers. "I don't think that just because people are atheist or agnostic they will be supportive of belittling religious people... I like the rest of your post but that seemed a bit, I dunno, patronizing  to me.
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers.
I don't think that just because people are atheist or agnostic they will be supportive of belittling religious people... I like the rest of your post but that seemed a bit, I dunno, patronizing to me.
-Courtney"Apologies, you're right and it was wrong of me to say that bit. | |||
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers. "Again excellently worded. | |||
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One of my non-Catholic non-swinger friends (but she is no angel either) called me a hypocrite for cherry picking
Just because I jumped a Red light doesn't mean that I might as well now throw the book away and drive down at 250 on the wrong carriageway of an A road | |||
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers.
I just fell in love with you a little bit.
Hope this is ok?"Ha ha more than ok! People are welcome to their views on here. Differences of opinion are what make the forums interesting. What I can't stand is belittling of those differences. When it gets put of hand it kills the forum. You only have to join the other major swinging site and see how lame their forum is if you want to know what i mean. Literally weeks go by before anyone posts anything new. Fab has a great, vibrant forum and it needs a degree of mutual respect to stay that way. | |||
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"Its something I personally struggled with for a while and is one reason I didn't allow myself to be sexually active until late. Then when I realised exactly how much I enjoyed sex and needed it more I discovered this site. Im from a religious family (protestant) and I had to say a lot of prayers to guide me but I feel like I've had enough signs that im on the right path. God will always be there for me and if its not right ill end up back on the right path. After all, he forgives so I do ask for forgiveness a lot. I know a lot would disagree with my views but I ask you not to challenge them as its taken a lot for me to allow myself to be this person and I don't want to doubt myself again. " lovely woman there is nothing to forgive ... you are bringing pleasure ..happiness to others .. sharing with love ...is the essence of Christianity .. | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions." Your guarantee is interesting, and we guess that you found it so. But there are many people who find their lives very enjoyable by having religion as an important part of it. | |||
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"Well, personally, I don't have any brothers and my Muslim father's dead. So I'm an acid-free zone, baby! Loads of stones, but they look far too nice in my ornamental garden beds to waste them on executions. Xxxx" Cleo, you've just made me laugh so fricking hard! 
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers. "Well said.
So of the comments above made us cringe. Swinging is a taboo is all religions (as far as we are aware) yet people do stuff in private which doesn't comply with their faith, that is between them who they believe in. But to make comments such as acid throwing, dishonoured brother, etc shows that one doesn't understand the difference between someone's faith and culture.
The faith in question doesn't endorse that, that is a cultural practise which sadly exits amongst minorities. Does anyone know anyone personally that this has happened too? Or was seen in the media? Doesn't the media like sensationalise things?
We have met many people off this sight from ALL backgrounds, had excellent fun with them and have had mutual respect along the way.
Yes we are religious and practising in our private lives but what we wish to do when swinging is our choice and people we meet with are never subjected to our faith.
We would never discrimate anyone over faith when choosing who to meet that's for sure! | |||
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" ... I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions." Completely agree with you. In my case, I'll add my creator (no, not just my mother and father, but God) to that list I was born Catholic; I cannot change that and decades of indoctrination means that at a sub-concious level, I cannot operate any differently than I do Maybe Atheists are the cleverer people who make up their own rules to follow Bet you've heard this one before; if I am wrong, then there will be nothingness when we kick the bucket; but if I am right, then you are f**ked, but not in the FabS style | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions." You can't guarantee anything because you have no idea about my life or beliefs. I find your attitude condescending & patronising. | |||
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"We respect people with a faith and religion, we also respect people who decide that faith and religion is not for them. Many people say that it cannot be proven that a God exists, but on the other hand it cannot be proven that he doesn't. Each to their own we guess. " The burden of proof lies with the claimant. I can tell you there's a unicorn farm 30 miles beneath the earth's core. You (rightly) won't believe me, I can't put the onus on you to prove there isn't. | |||
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" ... I can tell you there's a unicorn farm 30 miles beneath the earth's core. You (rightly) won't believe me, I can't put the onus on you to prove there isn't. " Ah, so that is where the single bisexual women are | |||
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"We respect people with a faith and religion, we also respect people who decide that faith and religion is not for them. Many people say that it cannot be proven that a God exists, but on the other hand it cannot be proven that he doesn't. Each to their own we guess. The burden of proof lies with the claimant. I can tell you there's a unicorn farm 30 miles beneath the earth's core. You (rightly) won't believe me, I can't put the onus on you to prove there isn't. " Pretty much my argument too. | |||
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"I used to be Muslim, but now am an Atheist. Holding on to religion was one of the main reasons I couldn't explore my sexuality fully. " spot on | |||
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" ... I can tell you there's a unicorn farm 30 miles beneath the earth's core. You (rightly) won't believe me, I can't put the onus on you to prove there isn't. Ah, so that is where the single bisexual women are "
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"So choosing a partner based on skin colour or cock size (both uncontrollable) is more acceptable than choosing someone based on their beliefs?!" You have the right to chose your play partners by whatever criteria you like, but you dont have to belittle them at the same time. | |||
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"Without getting into a theistic debate, we were just wondering if many people on here subscribe to a religion. it seems to us that this lifestyle would be more akin to atheists and agnostics, but yesterday we saw a wife with a crucifix round her neck, and a cock in each hand. Didn't really seem to fit given the whole christian monogamy thing - though I guess some believe in polygamy.... "Yes, I'm Christian. | |||
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" ... I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. Completely agree with you. In my case, I'll add my creator (no, not just my mother and father, but God) to that list I was born Catholic; I cannot change that and decades of indoctrination means that at a sub-concious level, I cannot operate any differently than I do Maybe Atheists are the cleverer people who make up their own rules to follow Bet you've heard this one before; if I am wrong, then there will be nothingness when we kick the bucket; but if I am right, then you are f**ked, but not in the FabS style "that's called Pacal's wager, and my response to that is that every religious person in the world is atheist about all other religions. Surely if there was one true religion, it would be safer to believe in none (based on lack of evidence) than in an incorrect one (based on your parents and where you were born). | |||
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"We respect people with a faith and religion, we also respect people who decide that faith and religion is not for them. Many people say that it cannot be proven that a God exists, but on the other hand it cannot be proven that he doesn't. Each to their own we guess. " I agree. This lifestyle brings people from different walks of life, faith and social groups. For many, it's a chance to be someone else or do things they wouldn't normally. Since this is what brings us here, does such a question really matter? | |||
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"I think a lot of people who side with a particular religion know little to nothing of what it entails. I've read the Quran, and I see it nothing more than a book of misogyny, intolerance and very backward-mindedness."
I have also read the quaran, and the bible (Old testament and new), also parts of the torah and norse and Greek mythology.
That is why I am an atheist. I find most who claim to be religious haven't even read their own texts.
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"Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek." Well no, it wasn't 'quite obvious'. It was pretty bigoted actually. "I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world?" My faith doesn't negatively impact millions of people around the world. My faith affects me, and occasionally my close friends. What people do in the name of my God is nothing to do with me, I do not control their actions. I do not believe in controlling other human beings. I concern myself with myself, and I try to make the world better for myself and others who I can relate to. Unfortunately some people have different ideas as to how to make the world better, because you will never get 7 billion people to agree. Lastly - if you don't take me seriously I don't really care to be honest. It doesn't matter to me. I have my faith, and that's what matters to me. | |||
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"I think a lot of people who side with a particular religion know little to nothing of what it entails. I've read the Quran, and I see it nothing more than a book of misogyny, intolerance and very backward-mindedness.
I have also read the quaran, and the bible (Old testament and new), also parts of the torah and norse and Greek mythology.
That is why I am an atheist. I find most who claim to be religious haven't even read their own texts.
I have also of course read the god delusion, which everyone should read"Richard Dawkins. haha. The God Delusion's a great read btw. It was actually arguments brought forward by Christopher Hitchens who made me change my ways. That man would pretty much destroy any theistic arguments brought forward. | |||
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"Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. Well no, it wasn't 'quite obvious'. It was pretty bigoted actually. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? My faith doesn't negatively impact millions of people around the world. My faith affects me, and occasionally my close friends. What people do in the name of my God is nothing to do with me, I do not control their actions. I do not believe in controlling other human beings. I concern myself with myself, and I try to make the world better for myself and others who I can relate to. Unfortunately some people have different ideas as to how to make the world better, because you will never get 7 billion people to agree. Lastly - if you don't take me seriously I don't really care to be honest. It doesn't matter to me. I have my faith, and that's what matters to me." Again very well said. | |||
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"Just because a human likes sex doesn't make them a bad person I believe in the process of natural evolution and the orgasm for humans one assumes has developed to make the art of sex enjoyable can't see why it shouldn't be enjoyed by those who believe in god ,shame for that woman who got stoned to death mind
We agree entirely. Enjoying sex is completely natural.
funny you should mention evolution when we're talking about people that don't believe in it.
with regards to being a Muslim on a sex site, you do realise that according to your own doctrine you should be killed by your own family? But I suppose that's a misinterpretation. ...
No offence but you're showing a lot of ignorance about what religious people believe.
Not to mention wording your posts in a deliberately patronising way that indicates you're just looking to make yourself feel better at the expense of others rather than get an answer to your question.
FYI: Catholics have been cool with evolution since 1950! Pope Pius XII - Encyclical Humani Generis to be precise.
In answer to your question, yes most swingers are atheists or not religious. So no you won't struggle to get people to cheer on your belittling of people who have the balls to declare themselves in the minority. Ironically, being a swinger is a minority in society and most of society think swingers are wierd and fucking disgusting. So you might want to think about that before being passive aggressive to minority groups of swingers.
I just fell in love with you a little bit.
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" ... I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. Completely agree with you. In my case, I'll add my creator (no, not just my mother and father, but God) to that list I was born Catholic; I cannot change that and decades of indoctrination means that at a sub-concious level, I cannot operate any differently than I do Maybe Atheists are the cleverer people who make up their own rules to follow Bet you've heard this one before; if I am wrong, then there will be nothingness when we kick the bucket; but if I am right, then you are f**ked, but not in the FabS style
that's called Pacal's wager, and my response to that is that every religious person in the world is atheist about all other religions. Surely if there was one true religion, it would be safer to believe in none (based on lack of evidence) than in an incorrect one (based on your parents and where you were born)."I am not disagreeing with you. Simply stating my position Most of my friends are Atheists and I think it genuinely pains them to watch an otherwise, somewhat reasonably intelligent and sane middle-aged woman, go on about her 'seance' on Sunday mornings with her invisible Pink flying Unicorn And I have thought a great deal about the 'true' religion too At the end of the day, religion is a bit like a reflex action for me; and yes, there are 'conflicts of interest'; thank God for Catholic guilt; I need it | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions." I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep" Can I just ask, why the need to be patronizing? I think that a discussion of religion and its implications for the swinging world could be a very interesting topics for discussion....until people start being rude and calling people "sheep" and joking about throwing acid... Rational discussion doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't be insulting. The best orators promoting atheism go out of their way to not speak to religious people the way you have on this thread so far. -Courtney | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep Can I just ask, why the need to be patronizing? I think that a discussion of religion and its implications for the swinging world could be a very interesting topics for discussion....until people start being rude and calling people "sheep" and joking about throwing acid... Rational discussion doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't be insulting. The best orators promoting atheism go out of their way to not speak to religious people the way you have on this thread so far. -Courtney" You can't have an adult discussion with people that have the beliefs of a child. It's like playing chess with a pigeon. | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep" For the purpose of answering the question please assume it happened today. I look forward to your informed answer. | |||
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"It's the pure hypocrisy. religion and swinging cannot be synonymous if you take the former seriously. That's the whole point." Maybe the whole point in your opinion but not in others. Can it not be left at that, where people can enjoy their own beliefs?? | |||
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"It helps when people promote the idea of secularism. Whether you believe in God or not, as long as its not affecting people's lives, its all well and good. However having a meaningful discussion about why people believe in a religion and not getting suddenly all worked up on certain aspects of it is a healthy way to talk about it. No one needs to get angry or irritated about the OP when really they're actually bringing out certain topics that, frankly speaking doesn't fit into the religious narrative. Its one thing to believe in religion and then damn someone for not following it while at the same time that very person isn't following its tenets at the same time." We have very good friends who mock our belief in God. When they find we do not bite back it is dropped and we continue our friendship. We are going to guess that we all on here have friends who would shun us like lepers if they knew what we enjoyed in our private lives. Each to their own about religion or anything else, as long as your beliefs or personal choices are not hurting others, then what does it matter. What we do not try to do however, is try to convince our friends that they are wrong, and they no longer try to convince us that WE are wrong! All happy and content. | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep Can I just ask, why the need to be patronizing? I think that a discussion of religion and its implications for the swinging world could be a very interesting topics for discussion....until people start being rude and calling people "sheep" and joking about throwing acid... Rational discussion doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't be insulting. The best orators promoting atheism go out of their way to not speak to religious people the way you have on this thread so far. -Courtney You can't have an adult discussion with people that have the beliefs of a child. It's like playing chess with a pigeon. You know what, you're right. I think that is why this conversation with you has been so difficult. -Courtney" amazing. In a thread where I am dumbfounded by people's childish beliefs and behaviours, you have pretty much just said "I know you are, but what am I?" Amazing | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep For the purpose of answering the question please assume it happened today. I look forward to your informed answer. " he'd have to grant him forgiveness so they can both get back to molesting the choir boys | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep Can I just ask, why the need to be patronizing? I think that a discussion of religion and its implications for the swinging world could be a very interesting topics for discussion....until people start being rude and calling people "sheep" and joking about throwing acid... Rational discussion doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't be insulting. The best orators promoting atheism go out of their way to not speak to religious people the way you have on this thread so far. -Courtney You can't have an adult discussion with people that have the beliefs of a child. It's like playing chess with a pigeon. You know what, you're right. I think that is why this conversation with you has been so difficult. -Courtney amazing. In a thread where I am dumbfounded by people's childish beliefs and behaviours, you have pretty much just said "I know you are, but what am I?" Amazing "  | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep Can I just ask, why the need to be patronizing? I think that a discussion of religion and its implications for the swinging world could be a very interesting topics for discussion....until people start being rude and calling people "sheep" and joking about throwing acid... Rational discussion doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't be insulting. The best orators promoting atheism go out of their way to not speak to religious people the way you have on this thread so far. -Courtney You can't have an adult discussion with people that have the beliefs of a child. It's like playing chess with a pigeon." And you're not being childish about other people's views? Hypocritical much | |||
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"Our previous vicar was always of the opinion that if what goes on behind closed doors is between consenting adults then it's all good be it anal, swinging or group sex. Additionally I know many atheists that all celebrate christmas and easter - perhaps you could make that your next thread?" lol, neither of these are christian based holidays. They existed long before Christians stole them | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep For the purpose of answering the question please assume it happened today. I look forward to your informed answer. he'd have to grant him forgiveness so they can both get back to molesting the choir boys " Oh right so if they had forgiveness because it is a venial sin as opposed to a mortal one, the Church would neither endorse the action, nor excommunicate them, which would leave them simultaneously inside the Church and a swinger. The only two correct interpretations of this are that they are not a hypocrites or that everyone is a hypocrite because everyone will sin in future. In case you're still struggling - gluttony is a venial sin too so with your (incorrect) logic someone overly fond of pies wouldn't be able to be religious either. So actually your whole assertion was logically flawed from the start owing to your ignorance about what faith actually is. I don't argue to change your mind, but I think I've exposed your logical flaws to the average, reasonable reader which is who I ever write to. You've already done an excellent job of exposing your rudeness and lack of class. So I'm done with this thread. | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep For the purpose of answering the question please assume it happened today. I look forward to your informed answer. he'd have to grant him forgiveness so they can both get back to molesting the choir boys " Such a mature response  | |||
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"To answer your question, I'm an Atheist. People who are religious find their own ways of reconciling their beliefs. I gave up trying to understand religious people a long time ago. No offense meant, just saying that it isn't my business how people understand their own beliefs. -Courtney quite. we have no desire to swing with anyone whose dishonoured brother might then try and throw acid at us Throwing acid in someone's face is extreme, but it is a also a bit narrow minded to assume this will happen to you if you play with someone with faith. " Well said | |||
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"I notice a lot of vitriol coming my way from the good people of God. Note there's none coming from me." You can start with this bit of unpleasantness from yourself, from just a few posts below the one you made: "You can't have an adult discussion with people that have the beliefs of a child. It's like playing chess with a pigeon." | |||
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"Apologies if I have offended, though surely if your faith is that strong, a little word from me shouldn't shake it. I am just simply flabbergasted by the hypocrisy here. Believe me, I am not ignorant about anybodies' religion, I have red most religious texts, that's why I'm an atheist. My acid comment was quite obviously tongue in cheek. I can't get on board with pretending I find it ok just to please others though, could you take an adult who believed in father Christmas seriously? What about if their belief in father Christmas negatively impacted millions of people round the world? Accuse me of many things, but ignorance on this subject is not one of them. I guarantee all of your lives would be more enjoyable if you realised you only answer to yourselves and those you directly affect. That you don't have to apologise or ask forgiveness for any of your actions. I don't remember anyone asking you to get on board with them or take them seriously. Great, you don't want to swing with religious people, no problem, block them and move on. I very much doubt they will mourn the loss. What you've actually done is started with a neutral sounding thread. Then when some people said answered it you started insulting them. Apparently you felt a need to do that because religion is the last beacon of hypocrisy in the world and you couldn't see any other hypocrisy around you? Not even in say, peoples political beliefs... if we put all your beliefs under a microscope there's not even a chance we'd find an ounce of contradiction. Damn, if only you'd been around to cast the first stone. OK let's run with that anyway. Since you know so much about all the religious books you've red. What would a Catholic Priest say to a Catholic who confessed to them that they were a swinger? Remember, they can only respond within the Church guidelines so their response will not be random. depends if it was now or in another 5 years when the Catholic Church has once again updated their supposedly sacred and unchangeable beliefs to move with the times in an attempt to keep their sheep For the purpose of answering the question please assume it happened today. I look forward to your informed answer. he'd have to grant him forgiveness so they can both get back to molesting the choir boys Such a mature response "But Miss Innocent, you are a child who doesn't deserve to be spoken to as an adult by these intelligent, articulate people. Don't expect intelligent and thought-out replies from people who see you as an idiot. -Courtney | |||
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"What business is it of yours what anyone else believes? You're an atheist, good for you. Now stop telling others what they should or should not believe." Atheism has become a religion in itself, led by Richard Dawkins. Respect and tolerance for all, unless you believe in God of course, then we have to prove God doesn't exist, with a Big Bang "theory", but hey, each to their own. Peace all x | |||
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"What business is it of yours what anyone else believes? You're an atheist, good for you. Now stop telling others what they should or should not believe. Atheism has become a religion in itself, led by Richard Dawkins. Respect and tolerance for all, unless you believe in God of course, then we have to prove God doesn't exist, with a Big Bang "theory", but hey, each to their own. Peace all x" You don't have to prove anything. Believe what you want to believe, just don't ram what you believe down my throat or belittle anyone else what they believe as the OP is doing. | |||
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"So we're going to try not to cause a stir. We are both of a religious belief! Yes, we have our belief, but we are also very liberal and why can't that go hand in hand! Well it can because we choose to. Religion is a personal thing that we believe in our hearts and if we chose to in our everyday actions. It should coincide with our day to day life and it does "As a Muslim I have to say you have wrote what I was thinking and couldn't agree more. Not everyone is an extremist and we CAN hold liberal views x | |||
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"What business is it of yours what anyone else believes? You're an atheist, good for you. Now stop telling others what they should or should not believe. Atheism has become a religion in itself, led by Richard Dawkins. Respect and tolerance for all, unless you believe in God of course, then we have to prove God doesn't exist, with a Big Bang "theory", but hey, each to their own. Peace all x You don't have to prove anything. Believe what you want to believe, just don't ram what you believe down my throat or belittle anyone else what they believe as the OP is doing." This was my point. There is a new form of extreme atheism which forcefully tries to disprove religion (God delusion) Just chill and have fun | |||
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"What business is it of yours what anyone else believes? You're an atheist, good for you. Now stop telling others what they should or should not believe. Atheism has become a religion in itself, led by Richard Dawkins. Respect and tolerance for all, unless you believe in God of course, then we have to prove God doesn't exist, with a Big Bang "theory", but hey, each to their own. Peace all x" Dawkins and co don't care if you believe in God or not. Atheists will always say people can believe what they want. That's one of the beautiful things about us humans, the diversity of our thoughts and beliefs. All people like Dawkins will do is add scientific and rational thought and logic to the argument as to whether God exists or not. The only people who ever have a hissy fit over such arguments are the people who believe in God. If there's one thing religions hate then it's questioning! | |||
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"What business is it of yours what anyone else believes? You're an atheist, good for you. Now stop telling others what they should or should not believe. Atheism has become a religion in itself, led by Richard Dawkins. Respect and tolerance for all, unless you believe in God of course, then we have to prove God doesn't exist, with a Big Bang "theory", but hey, each to their own. Peace all x Dawkins and co don't care if you believe in God or not. Atheists will always say people can believe what they want. That's one of the beautiful things about us humans, the diversity of our thoughts and beliefs. All people like Dawkins will do is add scientific and rational thought and logic to the argument as to whether God exists or not. The only people who ever have a hissy fit over such arguments are the people who believe in God. If there's one thing religions hate then it's questioning!" I wouldn't say he doesn't care, he wrote a book? | |||
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"Think of religion as a framework of guidelines. Like trellis you hope to train a shrub over, eventually. It's not always practical, but the intentions are good and it's a nice idea. I'm a Muslim on a sex site. Does it make me a hypocrite, or just a human? I bet her crucifix looked pretty, though." Definitely human, a very attractive human! | |||
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"Think of religion as a framework of guidelines. Like trellis you hope to train a shrub over, eventually. It's not always practical, but the intentions are good and it's a nice idea. I'm a Muslim on a sex site. Does it make me a hypocrite, or just a human? I bet her crucifix looked pretty, though." you are hands down the best looking human ever. | |||
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"Think of religion as a framework of guidelines. Like trellis you hope to train a shrub over, eventually. It's not always practical, but the intentions are good and it's a nice idea. I'm a Muslim on a sex site. Does it make me a hypocrite, or just a human? I bet her crucifix looked pretty, though. Definitely human, a very attractive human! "I need to join the Q | |||
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" Dawkins and co don't care if you believe in God or not. Atheists will always say people can believe what they want. That's one of the beautiful things about us humans, the diversity of our thoughts and beliefs. All people like Dawkins will do is add scientific and rational thought and logic to the argument as to whether God exists or not. The only people who ever have a hissy fit over such arguments are the people who believe in God. If there's one thing religions hate then it's questioning!" To be honest, it only seems to be the OP throwing a "hissy fit". Religious people dont care what people like dawkins or the OP say, because they already have faith. | |||
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" Dawkins and co don't care if you believe in God or not. Atheists will always say people can believe what they want. That's one of the beautiful things about us humans, the diversity of our thoughts and beliefs. All people like Dawkins will do is add scientific and rational thought and logic to the argument as to whether God exists or not. The only people who ever have a hissy fit over such arguments are the people who believe in God. If there's one thing religions hate then it's questioning! To be honest, it only seems to be the OP throwing a "hissy fit". Religious people dont care what people like dawkins or the OP say, because they already have faith." | |||
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"Our previous vicar was always of the opinion that if what goes on behind closed doors is between consenting adults then it's all good be it anal, swinging or group sex. Additionally I know many atheists that all celebrate christmas and easter - perhaps you could make that your next thread? lol, neither of these are christian based holidays. They existed long before Christians stole them" | |||
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"I find that atheists always seem to have the need to belittle those with faith. Curious that. I've often wondered if that is because of some sort of deep rooted sense of loss." Just as I find the OP to be insulting for generalizing, so too are religious people for generalizing about atheists. We are not all like the OP, and so to suggest otherwise is to be just as insulting and mean-spirited as the OP. -Courtney | |||
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"We respect people with a faith and religion, we also respect people who decide that faith and religion is not for them. Many people say that it cannot be proven that a God exists, but on the other hand it cannot be proven that he doesn't. Each to their own we guess. " Yes people at times need Comforting and if there is no family or friends to turn to, this is where faith comes into it god or no god if It gives people something to turn too where as before they had nothing thats More Important to me than if your a believer or not. | |||
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"I find that atheists always seem to have the need to belittle those with faith. Curious that. I've often wondered if that is because of some sort of deep rooted sense of loss. Just as I find the OP to be insulting for generalizing, so too are religious people for generalizing about atheists. We are not all like the OP, and so to suggest otherwise is to be just as insulting and mean-spirited as the OP. -Courtney" That is very true. No need to generalise from either point of view. | |||
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" ... If they start calling me the Whore of Babylon, or pass me a copy of WatchTower I'll make my excuses and leave, but otherwise I'm meeting them for sex, and I'll assume that they are there for that too." If they called me that, I'll have point out London on a map; for the sake of accuracy, ofcourse | |||
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" To be honest, it only seems to be the OP throwing a "hissy fit". Religious people dont care what people like dawkins or the OP say, because they already have faith." And that's just it. Nobody will unsettle my faith just by throwing science at me. i have faith in my heart, and that's not anybody else's to take away from me. People get very, very upset when they present me with science and I just shrug and say 'it doesn't matter'. They say 'but you are an intelligent human, you should know better!' But I do know better. I know how I feel in my heart. And that's what matters to me. | |||
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"It seems everyone is missing the point, so I will break it down; Identifying with any one of the main prescribed religions properly, not picking and choosing would not allow you to partake in swinging. Therefore anyone that does, does not take their religion seriously. They are by definition, hypocrites. If this upsets you, so be it." And I think what people are generally saying is that... they don't really care if you think they're a hypocrite. | |||
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"I find that atheists always seem to have the need to belittle those with faith. Curious that. I've often wondered if that is because of some sort of deep rooted sense of loss. Just as I find the OP to be insulting for generalizing, so too are religious people for generalizing about atheists. We are not all like the OP, and so to suggest otherwise is to be just as insulting and mean-spirited as the OP. -Courtney" Courtney I'm not generalizing. I'm only going by being a by spectator to many an argument over religion in the past few years. Every single time it has been started by the atheist side and it had been very visibly an attempt at belittling the belief of the other person. Apologies, I should have said 'some atheists' maybe as it most certainly isn't all atheists that behave that way. At the end of the day belief - or the lack thereof - is a highly personal thing - and something that we should not have to justify to anyone. | |||
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" To be honest, it only seems to be the OP throwing a "hissy fit". Religious people dont care what people like dawkins or the OP say, because they already have faith. And that's just it. Nobody will unsettle my faith just by throwing science at me. i have faith in my heart, and that's not anybody else's to take away from me. People get very, very upset when they present me with science and I just shrug and say 'it doesn't matter'. They say 'but you are an intelligent human, you should know better!' But I do know better. I know how I feel in my heart. And that's what matters to me."
So well put. That is exactly what I think
In everything else, I will apply science and logic. But where it comes to religion, then my belief takes over. Maybe that is why it is called a belief
"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed"
That extract is not meant to suggest that those who don't believe are not blessed!
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"I find that atheists always seem to have the need to belittle those with faith. Curious that. I've often wondered if that is because of some sort of deep rooted sense of loss. Just as I find the OP to be insulting for generalizing, so too are religious people for generalizing about atheists. We are not all like the OP, and so to suggest otherwise is to be just as insulting and mean-spirited as the OP. -Courtney Courtney I'm not generalizing. I'm only going by being a by spectator to many an argument over religion in the past few years. Every single time it has been started by the atheist side and it had been very visibly an attempt at belittling the belief of the other person. Apologies, I should have said 'some atheists' maybe as it most certainly isn't all atheists that behave that way. At the end of the day belief - or the lack thereof - is a highly personal thing - and something that we should not have to justify to anyone." See, I actually find this very interesting. Coming from the US, where religion is what runs most things, I have found the complete opposite. To this day, I still remember being in a county fair where a religious zealot pulled my father over (literally) and proceeded to question him about his faith. My father, while brought up Catholic, was an agnostic, and said this to the religious man. The religious man then shoved a bible in my father's hand and proceeded to loudly tell him that his children (me and my siblings) were destined to go to hell because HE was a non-believer - that even if we believed in God, we were going to hell simply for my father's beliefs. I was 7 and I was standing next to him, holding his hand. It is really interesting how culture can give us different perspectives on our faith, and the actions of those people around us. Too bad this thread couldn't have been a discussion of these things instead. -Courtney | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 31/08/15 16:01:43]" exactly my point. And those are the ones who take the teachings literally - as they were meant to be by this who imposed them. I like you, you're a very sensible fella | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 31/08/15 16:01:43] exactly my point. And those are the ones who take the teachings literally - as they were meant to be by this who imposed them. I like you, you're a very sensible fella" And so are you. | |||
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"What a lot of people don't realize are the repercussions so many people face because of their beliefs.I came from a moderately religious background where I was told to hate the LGBT crowd, abstain from talking to women, was told that men are superior to women, refrain from speaking and interacting with people of another belief and was told that having unmarried sex would lead to punishments. You can't expect me to believe in a religion that asks me to follow that. Not everyone has it easy going, trying to 'cherry pick' parts of their faith. A lot end up being oppressed that their liberties are sacrificed just because of succumbing to their beliefs and the pressures that surmount them." Not sure what faith you were born into - but that's not the same Islam we follow nor all our family and friends. Maybe the fault doesn't lie with a faith but down to how some people interpret it and add their own spin to it. Past experiences, cultural differences can warp someone into "adding" to the faith and passing it off as what it says in holy text. | |||
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Some people on here are so aggressive towards the more spiritual outlook that unfortunately it just leaves a bitter after taste... almost as if they've become the very dogmatic closed-minded people they claim to be opposed to. Western reason and science have a wonderful tradition that enrich a religious/spiritual outlook not corrode it. The former makes us realise there is more to life than meets the eye and the second shows us how miraculous this gift of life is. And of course, coming from more of a hippy free-thinking religious outlook the celebration of the body as well as the spirit makes total sense. In fact, one of the things my wife and I would like to eventually work towards is the development of a sexualised spiritual retreat for people who like getting wild, getting naked, and getting in tune with the cosmos...
The universe has chosen, in its wisdom, to give us an appreciation of the beauty of a sunset and the beauty of an attractive other...I'd say that's a pretty clear sign that there is special meaning for us to find in both
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"See, I actually find this very interesting. Coming from the US, where religion is what runs most things, I have found the complete opposite. To this day, I still remember being in a county fair where a religious zealot pulled my father over (literally) and proceeded to question him about his faith. My father, while brought up Catholic, was an agnostic, and said this to the religious man. The religious man then shoved a bible in my father's hand and proceeded to loudly tell him that his children (me and my siblings) were destined to go to hell because HE was a non-believer - that even if we believed in God, we were going to hell simply for my father's beliefs. I was 7 and I was standing next to him, holding his hand. It is really interesting how culture can give us different perspectives on our faith, and the actions of those people around us. Too bad this thread couldn't have been a discussion of these things instead. -Courtney" Whenever Christians come to our door I always say "It's alright I believe in God instead" This sends the bejeebers up them and they quickly respond "We believe in God too", to which I reply... "Oh I thought you believed in Jesus Christ instead". This tends to get the conversation off to a good start So you see... its not only atheists who hate me lol | |||
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"See, I actually find this very interesting. Coming from the US, where religion is what runs most things, I have found the complete opposite. To this day, I still remember being in a county fair where a religious zealot pulled my father over (literally) and proceeded to question him about his faith. My father, while brought up Catholic, was an agnostic, and said this to the religious man. The religious man then shoved a bible in my father's hand and proceeded to loudly tell him that his children (me and my siblings) were destined to go to hell because HE was a non-believer - that even if we believed in God, we were going to hell simply for my father's beliefs. I was 7 and I was standing next to him, holding his hand. It is really interesting how culture can give us different perspectives on our faith, and the actions of those people around us. Too bad this thread couldn't have been a discussion of these things instead. -Courtney Whenever Christians come to our door I always say "It's alright I believe in God instead" This sends the bejeebers up them and they quickly respond "We believe in God too", to which I reply... "Oh I thought you believed in Jesus Christ instead". This tends to get the conversation off to a good start So you see... its not only atheists who hate me lol "Excellent. I usually tell them that I am not interested - these are the magic words after which they disappear. | |||
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"What a lot of people don't realize are the repercussions so many people face because of their beliefs.I came from a moderately religious background where I was told to hate the LGBT crowd, abstain from talking to women, was told that men are superior to women, refrain from speaking and interacting with people of another belief and was told that having unmarried sex would lead to punishments. You can't expect me to believe in a religion that asks me to follow that. Not everyone has it easy going, trying to 'cherry pick' parts of their faith. A lot end up being oppressed that their liberties are sacrificed just because of succumbing to their beliefs and the pressures that surmount them. Not sure what faith you were born into - but that's not the same Islam we follow nor all our family and friends. Maybe the fault doesn't lie with a faith but down to how some people interpret it and add their own spin to it. Past experiences, cultural differences can warp someone into "adding" to the faith and passing it off as what it says in holy text. " I come from the same Islam that you refer to. (Asian / Middle Eastern here). Used to be a Sunni Muslim back then. There's always the argument posed forward by many that the interpretation some follow is wrong. I assure you its not, specially when you were taught in a faith based school that teaches you all what I mentioned above. If you're leading a lifestyle that allows you to experience something as swinging, that's definitely not what Islam permits. (There's so much evidence to support it, when you follow the Quran along with the hadith). You have to come forward with proper logic and reasoning behind your actions that are quite frankly, considered as sinful according to Islam. Liberals might argue to the contrary, but the moderates / conservatives have something else to say otherwise. Then you've got the ones who go around saying eating pork is haram while at the same time downing alcohol and having unmarried sex (which both are equally forbidden according to Islam). That argument makes no sense whatsoever and always gets me chuckling as to where that logic is stemming from. But then, I've warmed up to the liberally religious types who don't take their religion really seriously. (Secular Muslims are really great IMO) What matters to me more is humanism. We all could benefit from having to like others irrespective of what they believe in, provided those very beliefs aren't oppressing you from reaching out to others. There are still cases you hear of how certain people aren't allowed to love another just because their religious beliefs didn't permit to. (With a few anecdotal ones from my side to add in as well). There's a lot of reason why I abandoned my faith and it wasn't easy at all to do it. | |||
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"Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Judaism, etc etc... which one should I follow? Which one is correct? " The correct one for you will be a choice you make; there are no incorrect choices; just like there aren't any 'good' colours or 'bad' colours | |||
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"Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Judaism, etc etc... which one should I follow? Which one is correct? The correct one for you will be a choice you make; there are no incorrect choices; just like there aren't any 'good' colours or 'bad' colours" There is no such thing as choice in religion... there is only your own way. If you wish, and you find your personal religion inclined towards doing so, you can join a group of religious people who all believe the same thing, or near as damn it, as you... and become a member of a Faith. As yet I see no evidence that any one of them is more godly than another... especially as I have managed to connect with God without being a member of any of them and God certainly seems utterly ambivalent to them. In fact, I'd suggest that God probably doesn't like them. They're just lazy shortcuts that prevent you from developing your own unique relationship with the divine source of your being. Far more important that you do that than you join any Faith imo | |||
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"“In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.” - Friedrich Nietzsche" Isn't it the same with pubs nowadays?? | |||
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"“In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.” - Friedrich Nietzsche Isn't it the same with pubs nowadays?? " Pretty much. Owing to the high price of booze all the "characters" are now on street corners and park benches swigging super strength cider... | |||
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