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"Maybe I am missing something, but I was brought up to always say "please" and "thank-you"... or in the case of swinging sometimes a "no thank you, but thanks anyway". I am finding it increasingly frustrating that other perfectly decent well mannered human beings (who in any other walk of life would be polite) find it acceptable to have no manners on this site!!?? Are we the only ones with this issue??? We most of the time will reply with a "thanks but no thanks". Totally accept that if we have messaged someone and they dont like the look of us they may just delete the message.... However... When they message us in the first place, then dont reply at all??!! Now thats not showing any manners!! Is it just us?? " And for the 1000th time this year...... It's not about manners or rudeness...... It's about CHOICE. There are many reasons why people don't reply....... you can read about them on the countless threads already posted on this subject. Don't lose heart, if they don't reply, take it as a No and you won't go far wrong. | |||
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" And for the 1000th time this year...... " Is that all feels like more maddie | |||
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"Yes totally agree, often issue is when one half of a cpl gets carried away and the other half hasnt seen... to be honest I have that issue when Mark emails away to people where there are no male pics, when I see them I say "thanks but no thanks!"" Thats why on the odd occasion we mail anyone or send a wink we both veiew the profile first x | |||
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"As I have never looked on forums before I wouldn't be aware there had been 1000's of the same threads...sorry!!" Any swinging site has this thread plastered all over the forums, especially this one. There are some very good replies on the other threads, have a look, you may actually begin to understand. "I disagree its not about manners or rudeness...." I have impecible manners, borne from years of my mother bellowing at me to say please and thank you and an education where manners were drummed into me. I'm extremely polite in real life, I hold a very good job where I have to be polite and remember my manners.......... yet......... I choose not to reply to the majority of messages we received. Does that make me a rude person with no manners? No. "I would agree if it was us messaging them, but when people message us then we reply then they don't I would put that down to one of the 2 above. Maybe I am expecting too much?!?" Yes you are expecting too much. Many people will get in touch then get cold feet, decide they don't like the look of one of you, decide that you are too far away, decide that they are really gay, decide that you are out of their league...... the list goes on. But each person has the RIGHT to not be pressured or pushed into making friends or decisions, ESPECIALLY on a sex site. "If it was about choice then why in any other walk of life would we respond but choose not to in a swinging lifestyle??" It's not just the swinging lifestyle where people don't reply, it's any kind of internet based site. The anonimity of the internet means that people can hide behind their computers, for whatever reasons, and don't have to be 'real' and therefore, do not have to have 'real' manners. At the end of the day, a sex site is just that......... a site for sex. Where sex is concerned, NO still means NO and if people who have written to you and then not replied to your message will always retain the right to ignore you as it is another way of just saying NO. You do need a thick skin if you swing..... this is just the way it goes. | |||
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"Good plan, but we live apart so unless we are logged on at the same time and on the phone to each other (which we have been known to do!) then sometimes can't always look together.... don't get me started on that subject (does that make us not a "real" cpl then??!!lol)" That subject has also been done in the forums. Again, have a look, there are some very enlightening answers! | |||
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"Yes I read one thread earlier about fuck buddies....but I would question the definition of a fuck buddy?! Just because we don't live together we can be deemed as that!" Oohh I don't know. The trouble is, there are alot of people out there that won't meet attached/married people. If you openly admit you don't live together it will always seem to some that there is a reason why. I understand that it could well be your jobs BUT, when you spend a good part of your swinging time shifting out the numbnuts from the piles of mail alot of couples/single females get, then it's easier just to make general assumptions. Also, if you live apart, it makes it twice as hard to arrange meets and alot of swingers have heard it all before, and when you have to listen to another explaination as to why it's taking a month of sundays to arrange a meeting, you tend to give up. Some people also feel more comfortable with married couples who have a 'permanent' relationship, because in general (and I do mean generally), there are far less problems associated with married couples than with those that are fuck buddies or youngsters that live apart. I'm not saying these peoples perceptions are right or just, but swingers tend to be choosy, unless they are of the 'any holes a goal' ilk and swinging tends to fit into 3 categories. Couples Single Males Single Females Yes there are other categories which should be included but in general, that's what other's are looking for. fuck buddies and/or swinging together but living apart, do not enter into the equation of swinging. | |||
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"Good plan, but we live apart so unless we are logged on at the same time and on the phone to each other (which we have been known to do!) then sometimes can't always look together.... don't get me started on that subject (does that make us not a "real" cpl then??!!lol)" nahh your real ...trust me i know ...i am a single and if there is more than one ...your a couple ... | |||
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"By the way Madchick...you have the best and by far the most honest profile I have ever seen!! Love it!" dont tell her that she will try and make us all use it as a template .... | |||
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"By the way Madchick...you have the best and by far the most honest profile I have ever seen!! Love it!" Thank you for that. I really do hope that things work for you on here. Best of luck Maddie xxxxx | |||
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"By the way Madchick...you have the best and by far the most honest profile I have ever seen!! Love it! dont tell her that she will try and make us all use it as a template ...." What the hell is a Doris doing lurking on the serious threads? FFS PD.........you bored before the night shift starts???? lol | |||
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"By the way Madchick...you have the best and by far the most honest profile I have ever seen!! Love it!" You know, up to that point you where sounding reasonably normal! LOL ;-) New to the forums yes, but you come across well. Welcome! Keep posting. | |||
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"By the way Madchick...you have the best and by far the most honest profile I have ever seen!! Love it! You know, up to that point you where sounding reasonably normal! Reasonably Normal??!! I thought I was souning very normal up until that point!!?? In fact I would argue that that was the most profound comment have have made all evening!! It it the most honest and best profile I have read on here! lol LOL ;-) New to the forums yes, but you come across well. Well thank you...I will have to keep posting then...you may all get annoyed with me tho Welcome! Keep posting. " | |||
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"By the way Madchick...you have the best and by far the most honest profile I have ever seen!! Love it! You know, up to that point you where sounding reasonably normal! Reasonably Normal??!! I thought I was souning very normal up until that point!!?? In fact I would argue that that was the most profound comment have have made all evening!! It it the most honest and best profile I have read on here! lol LOL ;-) New to the forums yes, but you come across well. Well thank you...I will have to keep posting then...you may all get annoyed with me tho Welcome! Keep posting. " LOL! Sounding more like a new Posse member at this rate! Always welcome! Xx | |||
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"By the way Madchick...you have the best and by far the most honest profile I have ever seen!! Love it! You know, up to that point you where sounding reasonably normal! Reasonably Normal??!! I thought I was souning very normal up until that point!!?? In fact I would argue that that was the most profound comment have have made all evening!! It it the most honest and best profile I have read on here! lol LOL ;-) New to the forums yes, but you come across well. Well thank you...I will have to keep posting then...you may all get annoyed with me tho Welcome! Keep posting. LOL! Sounding more like a new Posse member at this rate! Always welcome! Xx " Anyone that will have a go at slapping down you stoopid Doris's once in a while automatically becomes a member of the Pussy Posse....... Welcome hun. By the way Wonky Nips..... I've updated my profile again. | |||
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" Anyone that will have a go at slapping down you stoopid Doris's once in a while automatically becomes a member of the Pussy Posse....... Welcome hun. By the way Wonky Nips..... I've updated my profile again." LOL Why would I read it? LOL | |||
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"Wonky nips??!! lol I think youshould read the profile.... a classic! The Jayne Ayre of Fab to be precise!! (Love the hoovering bit!) xx" Hmmm... Hovering... sounds like womans work! ;-) | |||
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"what hovering or hoovering??" OMG!! Definitely Posse! LOL | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something, but I was brought up to always say "please" and "thank-you"... or in the case of swinging sometimes a "no thank you, but thanks anyway". I am finding it increasingly frustrating that other perfectly decent well mannered human beings (who in any other walk of life would be polite) find it acceptable to have no manners on this site!!?? Are we the only ones with this issue??? We most of the time will reply with a "thanks but no thanks". Totally accept that if we have messaged someone and they dont like the look of us they may just delete the message.... However... When they message us in the first place, then dont reply at all??!! Now thats not showing any manners!! Is it just us?? " Well.........not only did you not say "please" before we shagged you, but you also failed to say "thank you" when we had. Dont know how you had the nerve to start such a topic! | |||
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"As I have never looked on forums before I wouldn't be aware there had been 1000's of the same threads...sorry!! Any swinging site has this thread plastered all over the forums, especially this one. There are some very good replies on the other threads, have a look, you may actually begin to understand. I disagree its not about manners or rudeness.... I have impecible manners, borne from years of my mother bellowing at me to say please and thank you and an education where manners were drummed into me. I'm extremely polite in real life, I hold a very good job where I have to be polite and remember my manners.......... yet......... I choose not to reply to the majority of messages we received. Does that make me a rude person with no manners? No. I would agree if it was us messaging them, but when people message us then we reply then they don't I would put that down to one of the 2 above. Maybe I am expecting too much?!? Yes you are expecting too much. Many people will get in touch then get cold feet, decide they don't like the look of one of you, decide that you are too far away, decide that they are really gay, decide that you are out of their league...... the list goes on. But each person has the RIGHT to not be pressured or pushed into making friends or decisions, ESPECIALLY on a sex site. If it was about choice then why in any other walk of life would we respond but choose not to in a swinging lifestyle?? It's not just the swinging lifestyle where people don't reply, it's any kind of internet based site. The anonimity of the internet means that people can hide behind their computers, for whatever reasons, and don't have to be 'real' and therefore, do not have to have 'real' manners. At the end of the day, a sex site is just that......... a site for sex. Where sex is concerned, NO still means NO and if people who have written to you and then not replied to your message will always retain the right to ignore you as it is another way of just saying NO. You do need a thick skin if you swing..... this is just the way it goes." I think that says it all. Some people wouldn't know good manners or courtesy if it held the door open for them while buying them a fondent fancy. To the op, this thread has come up a bit but unfortunately certain people prefer to just put it down to being one of those things. You'll see the general advice being to just move on. Ultimately that is all you can do but there's nothing wrong with posting what you want in the forums despite what certain self righteous 'real swingers' may say. | |||
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"Hey kinky2sum Well some of us at least think it is very bad manners First time we posted on a forum thread here the topic was the same as this one..... and we got called 'goody goody oh so political correct feck wits who are to scared to offend anyone' (or something very similar) Most likely since then we've proved we have no worries about offending people on forum if we think a point is worth standing by lol quote 'The anonimity of the internet means that people can hide behind their computers, for whatever reasons, and don't have to be 'real' and therefore, do not have to have 'real' manners' That's the crux of it actually Maddie and the true answer to this question. It's also the nearest you came to admitting it is rude..... or rather it is a *choice* to be rude as on t'internet anyone can take on whatever persona the wish. Maybe even the one they would love to have in real life but dare not lol It's exactly the same as those ignorant twats you find on the roads once they get in a car, bet they would never shoulder you out of the way in the post office queue but put them in a motor vehicle and look what happens. Fortunately for us all some people have the strength of character to be as polite in cyberland as they would in the real world. We've never understood those who message you first then ignore your positive reply either. But why worry about the ones who choose to be ignorant, there are loads of polite folk around these sites too, we've met plenty of them and got to know them intimately. xxxx Ju & Rich " Your notion with regards to politeness, cyber or non cyber is a little disingenuous to say the least and the idea that not responding/replying is rude is rather unrealistic. How many of the items of junk mail from extremely well intentioned folk that drop through your letter box each day do you respond to? Do you ever wonder about the gardener/replacement window/estate agent all trying to make ends meet and all offering competitive services? Do you ever ring them and say thanks but no thanks? Now consider the pm's that others ignore because they come from someone they think is simply not their taste, it's no different from the junk mail and spam we all receive each day which is why it is simply binned. It's quite probably well intentioned but it simply does not register so we dump it. People who get all pissy when they do not get replies to pm's really need to take a step back and consider why no reply is forthcoming and maybe adjust their expectations accordingly. Oh, and the spat is getting a little tiresome now | |||
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"Hey kinky2sum Well some of us at least think it is very bad manners First time we posted on a forum thread here the topic was the same as this one..... and we got called 'goody goody oh so political correct feck wits who are to scared to offend anyone' (or something very similar) Most likely since then we've proved we have no worries about offending people on forum if we think a point is worth standing by lol quote 'The anonimity of the internet means that people can hide behind their computers, for whatever reasons, and don't have to be 'real' and therefore, do not have to have 'real' manners' That's the crux of it actually Maddie and the true answer to this question. It's also the nearest you came to admitting it is rude..... or rather it is a *choice* to be rude as on t'internet anyone can take on whatever persona the wish. Maybe even the one they would love to have in real life but dare not lol It's exactly the same as those ignorant twats you find on the roads once they get in a car, bet they would never shoulder you out of the way in the post office queue but put them in a motor vehicle and look what happens. Fortunately for us all some people have the strength of character to be as polite in cyberland as they would in the real world. We've never understood those who message you first then ignore your positive reply either. But why worry about the ones who choose to be ignorant, there are loads of polite folk around these sites too, we've met plenty of them and got to know them intimately. xxxx Ju & Rich Your notion with regards to politeness, cyber or non cyber is a little disingenuous to say the least and the idea that not responding/replying is rude is rather unrealistic. How many of the items of junk mail from extremely well intentioned folk that drop through your letter box each day do you respond to? Do you ever wonder about the gardener/replacement window/estate agent all trying to make ends meet and all offering competitive services? Do you ever ring them and say thanks but no thanks? Now consider the pm's that others ignore because they come from someone they think is simply not their taste, it's no different from the junk mail and spam we all receive each day which is why it is simply binned. It's quite probably well intentioned but it simply does not register so we dump it. People who get all pissy when they do not get replies to pm's really need to take a step back and consider why no reply is forthcoming and maybe adjust their expectations accordingly. Oh, and the spat is getting a little tiresome now " Very well said Mr Two.............. Perfect example. | |||
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"Hey kinky2sum Well some of us at least think it is very bad manners First time we posted on a forum thread here the topic was the same as this one..... and we got called 'goody goody oh so political correct feck wits who are to scared to offend anyone' (or something very similar) Most likely since then we've proved we have no worries about offending people on forum if we think a point is worth standing by lol quote 'The anonimity of the internet means that people can hide behind their computers, for whatever reasons, and don't have to be 'real' and therefore, do not have to have 'real' manners' That's the crux of it actually Maddie and the true answer to this question. It's also the nearest you came to admitting it is rude..... or rather it is a *choice* to be rude as on t'internet anyone can take on whatever persona the wish. Maybe even the one they would love to have in real life but dare not lol It's exactly the same as those ignorant twats you find on the roads once they get in a car, bet they would never shoulder you out of the way in the post office queue but put them in a motor vehicle and look what happens. Fortunately for us all some people have the strength of character to be as polite in cyberland as they would in the real world. We've never understood those who message you first then ignore your positive reply either. But why worry about the ones who choose to be ignorant, there are loads of polite folk around these sites too, we've met plenty of them and got to know them intimately. xxxx Ju & Rich Your notion with regards to politeness, cyber or non cyber is a little disingenuous to say the least and the idea that not responding/replying is rude is rather unrealistic. How many of the items of junk mail from extremely well intentioned folk that drop through your letter box each day do you respond to? Do you ever wonder about the gardener/replacement window/estate agent all trying to make ends meet and all offering competitive services? Do you ever ring them and say thanks but no thanks? Now consider the pm's that others ignore because they come from someone they think is simply not their taste, it's no different from the junk mail and spam we all receive each day which is why it is simply binned. It's quite probably well intentioned but it simply does not register so we dump it. People who get all pissy when they do not get replies to pm's really need to take a step back and consider why no reply is forthcoming and maybe adjust their expectations accordingly. Oh, and the spat is getting a little tiresome now " I disagree. Often people will put time and effort into a message, it's not just bull mailing, although i realise this does happen. But the op was talking about a very different example where there had been a dialog up to that point. By the way, if anyone does find this thread annoying, just move on No wonder you're so busy if you spend so much time reading and replying to threads you don't like. | |||
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"@2bonks Hey now that is a very good example, the junk mail thing and must admit it really made us think about it for a while. Junk mail is kinda untargetted stuff that comes through the letter box where as really, a personal message on here from someone is not really the same thing. You yourselves obviously see the difference too as you say you always answer messages on here and we'd like to think you do that partly because answering a PM is very easy (compared to answering junk mail) and partly because you are being polite. Come to think about it answering junk mail may not be a bad thing lol - a quick email to each one asking them not to send any more may soon see it diminish. hmmmm As re 'spat' we didn't believe we are having one! Surely everytime we disagree with anothers opinion doesn't make that we are having a spat does it? Yes we've been drawn in to forum nastyness before, yes we decided in hindsight it was rather silly and ahd the courage to admit so and yes we said we would not be drawn that way again. But we also said it didn't mean we would never question certain members opinions again, and why should it. Can we keep this nice please? xxxxx j&r" I have to admit, I (mrs) answers every mail if possible ( except for the day I deleted every mail by accident, so couldn't answer and that was the day I got a ranting mail from a man cleary frustrated )but that is just me. The other half says like others, if they don't match our profile and still mail, then don't bother replying as they didn't read it in the first place or disregarded if they did. But, as we are inviting people to mail us ( we never mail anyone first, let them come to us)then it isn't really spam to us,ie unwanted mail. It might be mail that doesn't suit us at times, but that isn't the same thing. To the OP as we seem to have gone off a bit of what your post is about....although we don't normally mail first, but we have got into conversations with people and totally forgot to answer straight away after opening a mail, so it could be just something as simple as that....on the other hand they may just like the chase ! | |||
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" If we pm folk it will be a simple and unassuming pm along the line of “Hi to you both, if you feel inclined take a look at our profile and if you think we may be the sort of folk you like to meet please get in touch, if not best wishes to you” Now, apparently in some folks eyes that sort of one line message style is a heinous crime deserving of nothing more than instant deletion whilst to us it is nothing more than a polite enquiry. " lol and something we have always said too. For us a simple line to invite us to view their profile is much better than war and peace in a mail. On another site we use the poor men get so much "advice" on what to write and what not to write in a first mail that they must be really confused. Not everyone expects a novel in a first mail. | |||
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"@2bonks @judy Junk mail is kinda untargeted stuff Junk is mail is very definitely not untargetted, if you live in London you do not get posters/fliers through your door from a chip shop in Bradford or a gardener from Edinburgh, you get stuff that is potentially relevant to you from folk in your locale. that comes through the letter box where as really, a personal message on here from someone is not really the same thing. How do you know that he/she/they has not composed that email in word, cut and pasted it into a pm and then fired it off the same day to lots of potential playmates in the hope of landing one fish, same as junk mail perhaps? I think the supposition that all well constructed pm's are individual and sent from the heart is rather naive but maybe thats the cynic in me. You yourselves obviously see the difference too as you say you always answer messages on here and we'd like to think you do that partly because answering a PM is very easy (compared to answering junk mail) and partly because you are being polite. Sorry Judy but as we previously said it has nothing to do with being polite, it's simply the way we conduct ourselves on here. Some of our replies are extremely caustic so trust me when I say manners are not our concern on this matter. @ no one in particular What does pull our chain is the notion of some that not replying is somehow rude, yet those same folk, and this is not aimed at any one individual as the view is shown to be prolific on this site every time this subject comes up, go on to confess to ignoring pm's THEY perceive as rude. That sort of double standard is simply crass and I struggle to get my head round it. The potential is there with every pm sent that it well intentioned and from the heart which is why we always reply even if to point out the blindingly obvious error in folks perceptions. With that in mind folk should pause for breath and ask themselves if it's entirely realistic to EXPECT replies when you confess to not always bothering yourself? " | |||
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" If we pm folk it will be a simple and unassuming pm along the line of “Hi to you both, if you feel inclined take a look at our profile and if you think we may be the sort of folk you like to meet please get in touch, if not best wishes to you” Now, apparently in some folks eyes that sort of one line message style is a heinous crime deserving of nothing more than instant deletion whilst to us it is nothing more than a polite enquiry. lol and something we have always said too. For us a simple line to invite us to view their profile is much better than war and peace in a mail. On another site we use the poor men get so much "advice" on what to write and what not to write in a first mail that they must be really confused. Not everyone expects a novel in a first mail." Exactly and as apparently all the nice folk on here get tons and tons of pm's each day we like to make it simple for folk to sort the wheat from the chaff | |||
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" In the same way if someone doesn't hold a door open after walking through it. I just think, oh well, maybe they're just arse holes. " I just think they probably didn't see me | |||
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"Can we ask why everyone simply assumes that no reply means not interested? Often maybe it does, but speaking from experience we can't be the only ones to have found that this is not always the case. A couple months ago we got a wink from a couple we really liked the look of (fancied the ass off the pair of them actually) so we responded instantly with a message asking if they would like to meet. Guess what happened - no response. We puzzled about that for a bit then a few weeks later we threw caution to the wind and messaged them again asking why they would make the effort to wink us then not respond to our message. Turned out they were just really busy at the time of our fist message with general life and family/work stuff, and quite simply forgot to answer. A week later we met them. They were great... sexy as hell! Anyone else had similar? xxxxx Ju & Rich" Well I can only speak for me here, but as single male I'll take no reply to mean no interest because usually that's what it is LoL Having said that, I did get a reply a full seven weeks after I had emailed a couple. Of course I set up a meet and then didn't bother to show up . . . or let them know . . . or explain or apologise. Because, well, y'know, it's not 'mandatory' or a 'site regulation' or anything like that . . . and it was my choice so it can't have been rude . . . *ahem* I am of course kidding (before I get my head in my hands to play with) But it does raise the question of how long does it take before a no reply means 'no'? Or is it only if the message is deleted? I agree, there can be a variety of reasons for there being no reply. A common one is that people get scunnered with the whole thing and take a break from playing. D'ment | |||
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