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"SO guys and girls, does this mean on Fabs people have double standards and that some people will literally have naughty times with anyone even if they wouldn’t date them?" I fully admit to that. I think the criteria is different for 'having a good time' to that for possibly spending the rest of your lives together. Nothing wrong with it at all. I wouldn't say they are more likely to stray or cheat or anything though. My thoughts are that as a more open environment, you can make sure you are sexually compatiable - something you can really bring up (most of the time) when you meet someone in a different environment. | |||
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"I'm probably a shit reference point for this thread given I'm marrying someone who started out as a regular meet and became my FWB. I don't see a difference personally in meeting someone here or in Tesco (other supermarkets are available). If it's meant to happen? It will. I struggle to see how any judgements can be made of someone based on their membership here. It's pretty hypocritical to me. Else why would anyone from 'vanilla land' want to ever date a Fab member? People are people. A" ![]() | |||
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"I used to be completely against dating people from Fab as it seemed a bad start to a relationship. However, I then met someone from here. It was made clear that neither of us wanted it to just be sex before we met, and that we were hoping to be compatible in a vanilla relationship sense (no swinging). It worked out, fortunately, however I think it's rare. I wouldn't date someone that I had initially slept with casually as I wouldn't be able to see them as more than just sex. " a very good post | |||
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"The classic 'Madonna and whore complex' However it cuts both ways as I have met people who I would not dream of dating but they are ok to meet." I'm happy to date a "whore". But then I always preferred naughty girls over the good girl type. I think a lot of guys are happy to play the field but wouldn't be able to share their partner. Their loss....it can be great fun! | |||
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"I think a lot of people don't realise that a non-monogamous relationship is possible or perhaps they don't feel able to have an honest, open relationship. So they have double standards. They'd sleep with someone from fab but wouldn't date them. Personally I am up for dating ladies from Fab if it seems appropriate (I am in an open marriage and polyamorous). I probably would' want to fuck someone that I wasn't also happy to at least chat with over a nice meal. " I don't think it's a double standard to separate casual sex and relationships. I see them as two very different things. | |||
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"I think a lot of people don't realise that a non-monogamous relationship is possible or perhaps they don't feel able to have an honest, open relationship. So they have double standards. They'd sleep with someone from fab but wouldn't date them. Personally I am up for dating ladies from Fab if it seems appropriate (I am in an open marriage and polyamorous). I probably would' want to fuck someone that I wasn't also happy to at least chat with over a nice meal. I don't think it's a double standard to separate casual sex and relationships. I see them as two very different things. " I don't disagree at all. It doesn't prevent one becoming the other though - in either direction. I simply find it confusing that people will say they wouldn't date a fellow swinger/fabster/casual meet (whatever the preference of terminology) and yet would expect a non swinger/fabster/casual meet to date them. It's almost putting people in pigeon holes. But that's just me. Other _iews are available and the world would be dull if all thought the same. A | |||
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"For me the answer is simple. If you're not nice enough to date I certainly won't be jumping into bed with you!" But surely there is more criteria to either option than just being nice? | |||
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"I think a lot of people don't realise that a non-monogamous relationship is possible or perhaps they don't feel able to have an honest, open relationship. So they have double standards. They'd sleep with someone from fab but wouldn't date them. Personally I am up for dating ladies from Fab if it seems appropriate (I am in an open marriage and polyamorous). I probably would' want to fuck someone that I wasn't also happy to at least chat with over a nice meal. I don't think it's a double standard to separate casual sex and relationships. I see them as two very different things. I don't disagree at all. It doesn't prevent one becoming the other though - in either direction. I simply find it confusing that people will say they wouldn't date a fellow swinger/fabster/casual meet (whatever the preference of terminology) and yet would expect a non swinger/fabster/casual meet to date them. It's almost putting people in pigeon holes. But that's just me. Other _iews are available and the world would be dull if all thought the same. A" I wouldn't discriminate against someone due to them being a swinger (I'm dating one), I just couldn't date someone when it was initially casual sex. But I'm probably not the right person to answer as I'll only have monogamous vanilla relationships. I couldn't bare seeing someone I love fuck someone else. | |||
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"For me the answer is simple. If you're not nice enough to date I certainly won't be jumping into bed with you! But surely there is more criteria to either option than just being nice?" That depends on how you define nice and what you are defining as nice;) Nice eyes, nice personality, a body that feels nice when you stroke and caress it, a body that responds nicely to your toucb, nice kisses, nice cuddles....... Things can only go one way ![]() | |||
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"I seriously doubt I'd date someone from here, not because of how we met or the sex it's simply that what I look for in a long term partner is different from a meet or fwb. Life goals, expectations in life, beliefs etc. are far more important in a partner than a playmate. B x" Is it unfeasible that you'd meet someone on here for casual fun who turned out to share the same life goals, expectations and beliefs? Any more so than in 'vanilla land'? Just a question? A | |||
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"I seriously doubt I'd date someone from here, not because of how we met or the sex it's simply that what I look for in a long term partner is different from a meet or fwb. Life goals, expectations in life, beliefs etc. are far more important in a partner than a playmate. B x Is it unfeasible that you'd meet someone on here for casual fun who turned out to share the same life goals, expectations and beliefs? Any more so than in 'vanilla land'? Just a question? A" For genuine, single and totally committed swingers who both wish to continue swinging together in a relationship, I'm sure here is an even more likely place to meet a match than vanillaland. | |||
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"As has been said already it comes down to wheather Ur talking about monogamous dating or not. If it were with a _iew to monogamy, then I would be very unlikely to date someone from here with loads of play verifications......simply because it would prove that swinging was deeply ingrained in them, and it would be an enormous expectation on my part, to expect them to dismiss and ignore a large aspect of their personality long term. Suppression of something that has become part of their nature would most likely lead to one of three things:- * Them eventually leaving d relationship. * Them being torn by staying with me out of love, but having to cheat to fulfill their needs. OR * I having to compromise on d monogamy, which might cheapen / devalue d specialness I might have placed on d relationship at d outset. Of course it's possible that there would be exceptions to these scenarios.....but law of averages and logic would dictate that they would be in d minority. I see d question as one of brutal honesty rather than of double standards." This ![]() | |||
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"That's the trouble, you can have all these preconceived ideas and then all of a sudden meet someone who blows them all away. That said, I wouldn't fuck someone I wouldn't be seen in public with. " ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I'm probably a shit reference point for this thread given I'm marrying someone who started out as a regular meet and became my FWB. I don't see a difference personally in meeting someone here or in Tesco (other supermarkets are available). If it's meant to happen? It will. I struggle to see how any judgements can be made of someone based on their membership here. It's pretty hypocritical to me. Else why would anyone from 'vanilla land' want to ever date a Fab member? People are people. A" I totally agree with this, who knows who you will meet or when. I do find it pretty insulting about the comments on other threads about not seeing someone because they met them on here, who is the say the love of their life regularly pulled every weekend in the vanilla world and has had in reality loads more meets that aren't documented by a summary? | |||
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"I would date someone I met from here if it was right. Why does it matter where you meet someone as long as they are the right person for you? X" Fab is how we met and I sometimes question the wisdom of it in my saner moments. But he's right for me and I'm not regretting it one iota. I communicate better and more openly with him than any of my exes (although that's not difficult). | |||
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"I was wondering whether the vast excess of single men on here enables women to 'punch above their weight' I. e. Get guys for a meet that wouldn't look twice at them in the real world where folk can see. Any _iews from folk more experienced than me? " I believe I'm punching above my weight and that I'm incredibly fortunate to have him. He says I'm talking nonsense. I don't think I'd be with him if I felt the other way. | |||
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"I was wondering whether the vast excess of single men on here enables women to 'punch above their weight' I. e. Get guys for a meet that wouldn't look twice at them in the real world where folk can see. Any _iews from folk more experienced than me? " Depends on what you mean by 'punch above their weight' In vanilla land it is called beer goggles is it not? If men lower their usual standards on here compared to what they would do in vanilla land, whose fault is that? Not the woman they contacted is it? | |||
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"I was wondering whether the vast excess of single men on here enables women to 'punch above their weight' I. e. Get guys for a meet that wouldn't look twice at them in the real world where folk can see. Any _iews from folk more experienced than me? " I was a single guy on here and yes I think I'm 'punching above my weight' now. (I'm not a fan of that phrase but I'm guessing as to what you're inferring!) Why should it be exclusive to single women? A | |||
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"I'm willing to help out any women who may be looking to drop their standards significantly. I'm quite kind like that." If you weren't in Hampshire, I'd let you drop yours for me ![]() | |||
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"I'll rephrase my question. I think most folk on here will choose the best available meet according to their selection criteria (if any). An average looking lady might have 50 men to choose from, while an average looking guy may have 1 lady to choose from if he is lucky. So my guess is that an average looking lady can obtain much better looking guys than an average looking man can who is looking for women. Is that what happens in practice do you think? I've not been on here long but my limited experience is that there are some lovely folk on here. " If you want to go down the numbers route (as many often argue - some more than others!) then that's one way to look at it. Another way? Nobody is obliged to meet anyone, 'lower their standards' (as it's often termed) or agree to meet anyone they don't find interesting and attractive. So whether the ratios are 1:1 or 1:100 if you don't change your criteria or preferences the numbers become less relevant. As I've said before - if you were the only guy on site and not a single woman found you attractive would the ratio make any difference being the other way round? A | |||
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"The short answer to the question asked in this thread is yes, men's dating standards are lower. This is due to the the short supply of women here relative to men. Even unattractive women can afford to be choosy. For proof look at the verifications of average looking women and average looking men. The women often have verifications from very good looking men but the average looking guys (if verified at all) are most likely to have taken what they can get rather than what he would like. There are exceptions of course, but check out the verifications. I'm not complaining, it's just supply and demand at work ![]() I'm sure the women you're referring to just adore being described as "what they can get". I won't meet anyone from here who I think wouldn't be interested in the real world. I'm instantly suspicious of messages from really conventionally good looking men, and mostly ignore them. I don't want to "punch above my weight". Firstly because it's not just looks that appeal to me, but secondly because why would I want to make myself feel inadequate and like something someone has resorted to because they can't do any better? | |||
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"I won't meet anyone from here who I think wouldn't be interested in the real world. I'm instantly suspicious of messages from really conventionally good looking men, and mostly ignore them. I don't want to "punch above my weight"." Ermm, dude... you're pretty hot. | |||
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"I won't meet anyone from here who I think wouldn't be interested in the real world. I'm instantly suspicious of messages from really conventionally good looking men, and mostly ignore them. I don't want to "punch above my weight". Ermm, dude... you're pretty hot." Meh, photos hide a million flaws. | |||
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"Meh, photos hide a million flaws." I feel the opposite. It's funny how different people perceives themselves and others on this 'ladder'. | |||
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"I have seen many threads on here about dating. Interestingly someone had previously posted that she had met someone who said although he was single and looking to date he wouldn’t date anyone he met off fabs! And therein, followed a conversation about thoughts on that. However, this week I have this exact thing happen to me, twice in 4 days. (Fully understanding forum rules so not naming and shaming, or airing dirty laundry), and just in general, it was thought women off here are not dating material, maybe more likely to stray and cheat, or are not special enough! Hmmm. SO guys and girls, does this mean on Fabs people have double standards and that some people will literally have naughty times with anyone even if they wouldn’t date them? Note to admin: I hope I haven’t broken forum rules and if I have then won’t be offended if this is deleted, but pleeeeease don’t block me, i like the forums. Thank you muchly ? ![]() ![]() ![]() They are being very cheeky. They are saying yes I would fuck you but never date you. I could understand if they said if we date let's forget about swinging and just enjoy each other. A woman I speak to on Fab who is single said if she dated a man from Fab and he wanted to start swinging as a couple she would be offended. In her words "I would be thinking aren't I enough for you?". Maybe that should be a new filter for you? Tell protential men you are looking for a partner not just a one off. Ditch anybody stupid enough to say they would never date some body from fab. | |||
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"Dating sites ... usually they are hard work and it's hard to find someone compatible . But at least with fab ... if there's a sexual chemistry ..... thats a good start .... So many relationship s dont work because ..of lack of sexual compatability . Don't u think ![]() Totally agree. Was discussing this with a friend today. It was part of the reason i ditched my ex. He bored me to tears sexually. Don't ever want that again. | |||
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"Dating sites ... usually they are hard work and it's hard to find someone compatible . But at least with fab ... if there's a sexual chemistry ..... thats a good start .... So many relationship s dont work because ..of sexual incompatibility " The problem with dating sites is folk are looking for someone to spend the rest of their life with. Here it is a lot simpler. We want someone for a good fuck. The ingredients for that are different, though perhaps they shouldn't be, and fewer. I have a lady friend I see regularly who is younger than my daughter. Our families don't know. In the bedroom it is phenomenal for both of us. I like her youth and body and she my experience and length. But we would never date conventionally. We meet each other's physical needs and it works. | |||
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"So you're telling me I need to buy a woman a Happy Meal before I get to shag them? ![]() I was thinking dinner for two in a nice restaurant with a bottle of Pinot actually! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"So you're telling me I need to buy a woman a Happy Meal before I get to shag them? ![]() ![]() ![]() It can be arranged ![]() | |||
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"The short answer to the question asked in this thread is yes, men's dating standards are lower. This is due to the the short supply of women here relative to men. Even unattractive women can afford to be choosy. For proof look at the verifications of average looking women and average looking men. The women often have verifications from very good looking men but the average looking guys (if verified at all) are most likely to have taken what they can get rather than what he would like. There are exceptions of course, but check out the verifications. I'm not complaining, it's just supply and demand at work ![]() No one is forcing these average-good looking males to contact 'unattactive' females. Women can be choosy when there's so many desperate guys who'll fuck anything that winks at them. | |||
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"The short answer to the question asked in this thread is yes, men's dating standards are lower. This is due to the the short supply of women here relative to men. Even unattractive women can afford to be choosy. For proof look at the verifications of average looking women and average looking men. The women often have verifications from very good looking men but the average looking guys (if verified at all) are most likely to have taken what they can get rather than what he would like. There are exceptions of course, but check out the verifications. I'm not complaining, it's just supply and demand at work ![]() I've turned down several winks I'll have you know! ![]() | |||
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