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"I love bareback no better feeling but with 1st meets always always safe " But after that then it's ok ? | |||
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"I love bareback no better feeling but with 1st meets always always safe " So does this mean any further meets and you would play bareback? | |||
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"I love bareback no better feeling but with 1st meets always always safe So does this mean any further meets and you would play bareback? " Scarey...... Or just plain daft? | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. " Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. | |||
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"Oh look.....another bb thread. Yawn." thank you for saying that! Saves Me saying it | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me." Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol " I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try. | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try." you are correct they are not curable but can be managed for a good quality of life after contracting it. also herpes isn't classified as curable it can be treated during a breakout but once contracted breakouts can happen randomly over the course of the rest of your life. | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try." I did say Treatable OR curable And herpes is already in 80% of the population, so anyone who kisses there boyfriend can catch it And I've tried jumping in front of trains when I was unwell Definitely not keen to do it again Bareback sex? Definitely I'll do it again | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try. I did say Treatable OR curable And herpes is already in 80% of the population, so anyone who kisses there boyfriend can catch it And I've tried jumping in front of trains when I was unwell Definitely not keen to do it again Bareback sex? Definitely I'll do it again " Your choice. I will keep clear of it. My choice. | |||
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"Chatted to some nice people on here before, all getting on really well etc . Planning meets and wants then they mention bareback only. I'm not judging or anything but would like to get peoples opinion who only play bare back why this is. For some there is no negotiation on this matter. For me, there's no negotiation either. It's safe sex or no sex, regardless of how tempting or hot they may be " They were honest about it. Don't see what your problem is. | |||
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"Chatted to some nice people on here before, all getting on really well etc . Planning meets and wants then they mention bareback only. I'm not judging or anything but would like to get peoples opinion who only play bare back why this is. For some there is no negotiation on this matter. For me, there's no negotiation either. It's safe sex or no sex, regardless of how tempting or hot they may be " Mmmm...or another billboard screaming "hey ladies, come fuck me I'm safe" | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try. I did say Treatable OR curable And herpes is already in 80% of the population, so anyone who kisses there boyfriend can catch it And I've tried jumping in front of trains when I was unwell Definitely not keen to do it again Bareback sex? Definitely I'll do it again Your choice. I will keep clear of it. My choice." Good Its all about choice | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try. I did say Treatable OR curable And herpes is already in 80% of the population, so anyone who kisses there boyfriend can catch it And I've tried jumping in front of trains when I was unwell Definitely not keen to do it again Bareback sex? Definitely I'll do it again Your choice. I will keep clear of it. My choice. Good Its all about choice " Spot on. Adult choice. We are clear what we like so people can choose. We'll use condoms in some cases and rarely bb, but it's the way we would always play in an ideal world. | |||
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"...also, I like to think I've talked to a 'fair' few people on here and I haven't encountered a single person that's 'insisted' on sex before meeting let alone bareback...you must be finding so rare ones buddy..)" Why people feel the need to have a go at others I really don't know. I posted this to try and get some understanding of why some people will only do bareback and will not partake in safe sex. | |||
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"...also, I like to think I've talked to a 'fair' few people on here and I haven't encountered a single person that's 'insisted' on sex before meeting let alone bareback...you must be finding so rare ones buddy..)" It's a strange one, as the op implies he has had all several of his contacts insist on it. Unusual statistical fluke? Hepatitis won't leave most people a carrier - there's A, B, C etc. Usually will develop an immune response and cleared. Good reminder to get B vaccine if you can. | |||
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"...also, I like to think I've talked to a 'fair' few people on here and I haven't encountered a single person that's 'insisted' on sex before meeting let alone bareback...you must be finding so rare ones buddy..) It's a strange one, as the op implies he has had all several of his contacts insist on it. Unusual statistical fluke? Hepatitis won't leave most people a carrier - there's A, B, C etc. Usually will develop an immune response and cleared. Good reminder to get B vaccine if you can." | |||
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"Tut tut I don't know u naughty lot .... All you barebackers need some education !! Bareback is great and only for me and my mrs as we've been together 20 years So grab yourself a 6 pack .... Not the beer type .. The joeys type And have some good clean safe fucking with strangers only just think we're as the person been with your fucking !!! " See and again judging. Now bare in mind we play safe... But... We aren't stupid enough to think that having safer sex means its guaranteed to be clean. How do you know where anyone has been before you..? Do you use protection for oral or fore play.. do you wash before swapping ... As I can tell you now in all my years I've never had a guy wash his hands before playing with me after he has been with his partner. Or wash his mouth. It's straight from them to me and maybe back again. So by all means say that bare backing isn't for you but all of us in this lifestyle are taking risks | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try." Statistically the chance of a woman contracting HIV from an already infected man is 1:1,000. If he is circumcised it is lower at about 1:1,600. Man from a woman is 1:2000. Male to male far higher. About 1:640 people in the Uk are HIV positive so, statistically, as a woman, you have a 1:640,000 chance of contracting HIV. But could you get it on the first go. HIV persons in the UK now have the same life expectancey as others. By way of comparrison the chances of dying in a car accident in the UK are circa 1:229, killed by lightening 1,300,000 and being hit by a bus around 1:2,000,000. Dying of cancer 1:5. You pays your money and takes your choice. But if the fear of STIs is high in you then you must also consider avoiding other far more risky activities. If you smoke then bareback all the way, your number is already up. | |||
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"What you find is people of a certain age group had condoms drilled into them, at a time when the powers that be saw AIDS as potentially wiping out the human race, condoms were put into peoples heads in a big way. What you find in reality is, people that insist on 'safe sex' will happily finger someone who they consider a risk, then go and finger their wife without washing their hands. Then happily have sex with someone else they consider a risk, and think putting a condom on nullifies that risk. Nope. This is why we're not interested in sex with someone who insists on condoms, because they are a greater risk than they realise, and we don't take risks. We play bareback and our safety net is filtering who we actually have sex with. Sure the condom is an additional safety aspect but then it becomes a case of doing it for the sake of doing it, and in that case why bother? Rather stick with each other than wear condoms just for someone to pump at you until they come. A fulfilling sexual experience it is not, and we're here for sexual fun, not an ego trip." | |||
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"It's all about the level of risk you accept and what you find fun. People always use these threads to argue but I don't see the point. I'm fascinated by the accusation of some people being skanks. How that's defined. Why it's bad and not just another's sexuality choice? How you filter that with such confidence? I would ask why those who use condoms feel the need to question those who don't? And why bareback people feel the need to say condom users are not sensual and are unsafe. Surely if neither side plays with the other this is all assumptions and generalizations and it's just an argument." The majority of these threads are started by single guys that are trying to lead everyone to think that they are ultra safe and clean hoping it will get them more meets. | |||
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"Surely if neither side plays with the other this is all assumptions and generalizations and it's just an argument." It's a debate, or a discussion. It's what forums are for. | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try. I did say Treatable OR curable And herpes is already in 80% of the population, so anyone who kisses there boyfriend can catch it And I've tried jumping in front of trains when I was unwell Definitely not keen to do it again Bareback sex? Definitely I'll do it again " Wonders how many others have made a choice......to use the block button? | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol " you should watch the: Dallas buyers club | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try." | |||
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"Chatted to some nice people on here before, all getting on really well etc . Planning meets and wants then they mention bareback only. I'm not judging or anything but would like to get peoples opinion who only play bare back why this is. For some there is no negotiation on this matter. For me, there's no negotiation either. It's safe sex or no sex, regardless of how tempting or hot they may be " | |||
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"Correct. It's a very dangerous game to play. Never worth the risk, I see some people say they are tested once a month but that doesn't prevent them from contracting something. Totally agree with the above. It's too easy to get some truly unpleasant and in some cases chronic conditions. It's safer sex only, ever for me. Everything is treatable or curable So I'd happily take the risk after all, I'm not involved in any high risk hobbies lol I am not a doctor but I really doubt that everything is curable. As far as I am aware, hepatitis and HIV are not curable issues. As far as risk is concerned, I suspect that having unprotected sex with a stranger is akin to running in front of a bus. Generally, a bad thing to try. Statistically the chance of a woman contracting HIV from an already infected man is 1:1,000. If he is circumcised it is lower at about 1:1,600. Man from a woman is 1:2000. Male to male far higher. About 1:640 people in the Uk are HIV positive so, statistically, as a woman, you have a 1:640,000 chance of contracting HIV. But could you get it on the first go. HIV persons in the UK now have the same life expectancey as others. By way of comparrison the chances of dying in a car accident in the UK are circa 1:229, killed by lightening 1,300,000 and being hit by a bus around 1:2,000,000. Dying of cancer 1:5. You pays your money and takes your choice. But if the fear of STIs is high in you then you must also consider avoiding other far more risky activities. If you smoke then bareback all the way, your number is already up. " Nobody is ever logical enough to follow the odds... I used to travel to some pretty far flung places and always looked in the CIA fact book at the HIV/AIDS statistics. Also I suspect if you broke down the demographics, you would find certain sexual diseases concentrated in particular groups of society. I think everyone hates the condoms stupidness, but we all know we have to do it... I always play safe, but can't help but think sooner it's discussed without judgement and immediate condemnation of those who do so, the closer we are to solving the problem. For instance, why on a site that appears and claims to be a community, that is not simply a sex site, of which there are 100s. Why is there no HIV charity donation button? It only takes £1 from each... Maybe that should be a joining cost? | |||
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"Tut tut I don't know u naughty lot .... All you barebackers need some education !! Bareback is great and only for me and my mrs as we've been together 20 years So grab yourself a 6 pack .... Not the beer type .. The joeys type And have some good clean safe fucking with strangers only just think we're as the person been with your fucking !!! See and again judging. Now bare in mind we play safe... But... We aren't stupid enough to think that having safer sex means its guaranteed to be clean. How do you know where anyone has been before you..? Do you use protection for oral or fore play.. do you wash before swapping ... As I can tell you now in all my years I've never had a guy wash his hands before playing with me after he has been with his partner. Or wash his mouth. It's straight from them to me and maybe back again. So by all means say that bare backing isn't for you but all of us in this lifestyle are taking risks " Absolutely correct. I think it is laughable when swingers start pompously lecturing other swingers about safe sex. If that is your sole criteria. Stay at home, close the curtains & have a wank. | |||
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"All adults so do as you wish. But if you play bareback you have a moral duty to inform ALL future contacts you are in a high risk group." If you've ever licked or fingered a bare pussy or wanked or sucked a bare cock without a mouth/hand condom then you are also a high risk group. Higher risk as you think you're safe when you are not. Only difference is you are judgemental on other approaches to the issue. Someone who plays bareback and gets regular checkups is far safer than someone who goes round willy nilly through multiple partners thinking because they wore a condom for one aspect of sex that they've got some kind of invulnerability shield on. | |||
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"3 things that plague humankind I would like to see an end to in my lifetime: 1. Alzheimer's - Nothing scares me more than I or someone I love becoming a husk. 2. HIV/AIDS - We have become complacent about an issue that prevents us from doing what our body's are designed for. 3. Amputees - With 3D printing, micro motors & nano machines, there is no reason, that we can't start to look at how we build new body parts." Personally I would like to see an end to sanctimonious posturing added to that list | |||
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"3 things that plague humankind I would like to see an end to in my lifetime: 1. Alzheimer's - Nothing scares me more than I or someone I love becoming a husk. 2. HIV/AIDS - We have become complacent about an issue that prevents us from doing what our body's are designed for. 3. Amputees - With 3D printing, micro motors & nano machines, there is no reason, that we can't start to look at how we build new body parts." Incidentally the sanctimonious posturing comment wasn't directed at you | |||
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" Statistically the chance of a woman contracting HIV from an already infected man is 1:1,000. If he is circumcised it is lower at about 1:1,600. Man from a woman is 1:2000. Male to male far higher. About 1:640 people in the Uk are HIV positive so, statistically, as a woman, you have a 1:640,000 chance of contracting HIV. But could you get it on the first go. HIV persons in the UK now have the same life expectancey as others. By way of comparrison the chances of dying in a car accident in the UK are circa 1:229, killed by lightening 1,300,000 and being hit by a bus around 1:2,000,000. Dying of cancer 1:5. You pays your money and takes your choice. But if the fear of STIs is high in you then you must also consider avoiding other far more risky activities. If you smoke then bareback all the way, your number is already up. " You see? This is exactly why these threads are never the same, there is often an interesting fact or new _iewpoint to discover within if you're prepared to wade through the 'yawn's. Thanks Makat, I've been searching in vain for these figures, ever since someone else quoted the 1 in 12 figure, that scared the bejesus out of us. The trouble with Google is often you need to choose your search term carefully. Anyway, transmission rates depend on many variables, and people like us like to know how best to reduce the risks. So, yes.1 in 1250, but in certain scenarios this can be as low as 1 in 5. Yes to 1 in 640, but in certain groups this can fall to 1 in 12. Suddenly a combined risk of 1 in 60 doesn't look quite so insignificant. Its also interesting that washing your fingers isn't as important as not-brushing your teeth! Mr ddc | |||
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"Chatted to some nice people on here before, all getting on really well etc . Planning meets and wants then they mention bareback only. I'm not judging or anything but would like to get peoples opinion who only play bare back why this is. For some there is no negotiation on this matter. For me, there's no negotiation weither. It's safe sex or no sex, regardless of how tempting or hot they may be " with you on that one .. | |||
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" I'm not judging or anything but would like to get peoples opinion who only play bare back why this is." Sorry OP, back to you: as I understand it Some men find a difference with the loss of sensation a condom brings (personally, anything that delays....); some find the process of stopping and putting one on risks their erection; some women can actually feel the man's orgasm, but only without a condom; some people like the 'cream-pie'; some people feels it gives a false sense of security; some people like the added sense of danger/naughtiness. There are many reasons, but like you say, so long as you don't judge, and everyone respects each other's boundaries, all is good imho. Mr ddc | |||
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"All adults so do as you wish. But if you play bareback you have a moral duty to inform ALL future contacts you are in a high risk group. If you've ever licked or fingered a bare pussy or wanked or sucked a bare cock without a mouth/hand condom then you are also a high risk group. Higher risk as you think you're safe when you are not. Only difference is you are judgemental on other approaches to the issue. Someone who plays bareback and gets regular checkups is far safer than someone who goes round willy nilly through multiple partners thinking because they wore a condom for one aspect of sex that they've got some kind of invulnerability shield on." | |||
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"In answer to the question of why some play bareback and not 'safe', here's our take. There are two types of people that play bareback, utter skanks, and the very careful. We won't be going near no skanks. Condoms do not stop all things. People that consider condoms as 'safe' tend to take more risks than barebackers, and as such are a risk themselves. Someone insisting on condoms is accepting that the person they are about to have sex with is a risk. Condoms split all the time. Examine properly during foreplay...any lumps blotches rashes smells scratches or goo head for the door, simple as that. End of the day it's a divisive issue, so no problems with other people playing it their way, but there are two sides of the coin and 'safe sex' is not necessarily 'safe'." Oh please most men don't show symptoms... Whatever the reason for the this post is it highlighted how mis-educated people are about stis | |||
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"This topic crops up far too many times on these forums. I think everyone on here, barebacker or not, is aware of the pros and cons. It really does not need repeating on the forums. Transparency is the best thing now, really. Those who go bare should be upfront about it." Had some private messages from people who are now converting to bareback as they find condoms spoil the sexual experience. If you've seen the issue before and don't want to discuss it may I suggest you go to the next thread. Transparency is a good point. People should clearly state their preference and indeed a bareback only tickbox would be great alongside a search filter. | |||
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