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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Good luck

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

ty x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seeya.

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement "

Sorry but people announce this all the time, yes some users are complete wankbags and can barely type let alone fuck a girl... BUT...if you're going to let them wear you down then its probably not the best place for you..

However...you can always

Laugh

Block

Move on....

As there is some genuinely great and sexy people that use this site..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hun it's your decision to make based on how you feel

If the site is not working for you then do something about it

That could be several things

Leave

hide profile and do the looking

block men and do the looking

rewrite your profile

No point getting pissed of with a bunch of strangers who don't automatically jump to your aid like white knights

Effort in reward out.....good luck whatever you do

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

i do block them

an i have swung on an off

i do laugh at some of the guys who are idiots it brightens my day lol

esp at what they put i laugh it off tbh

there are some genuine ones on the site

which i have met for a social

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement "

We're just desensitised to people moaning about leaving. If you wanted to leave, you would have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement

Sorry but people announce this all the time, yes some users are complete wankbags and can barely type let alone fuck a girl... BUT...if you're going to let them wear you down then its probably not the best place for you..

However...you can always

Laugh

Block

Move on....

As there is some genuinely great and sexy people that use this site..

"

Totally agree with this! There are a lot of wankers on here, just need to block them and move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We look at it as when people are nasty to us we were right not to meet them in the first place ! They are just very sad people who will probably be single for a very long time lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even when you're strolling down beautiful Knightsbridge you can still step in a pile of shite....

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Hun it's your decision to make based on how you feel

If the site is not working for you then do something about it

That could be several things

Leave

hide profile and do the looking

block men and do the looking

rewrite your profile

No point getting pissed of with a bunch of strangers who don't automatically jump to your aid like white knights

Effort in reward out.....good luck whatever you do"

not asking for a white knight at all far from it

just asking to to be treated right an not abuse no need for it tbh

why resort to sending silly emails

to someone an abuse them

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

i agree it shows they are sad an wont get a meet

by behaveing like that an spoil for themselves

its nice you agree x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement

We're just desensitised to people moaning about leaving. If you wanted to leave, you would have. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't be a Defeatist. Enjoy your time here and don't let others ruin it for you. You can control it

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

Block single guys from messaging and do your own looking.

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

dont worrry i do control it

they get told an blocked simple as

if they dont like a dominant fem lol

well thats their tough luck out

naturally dom in the bedroom lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Block single guys from messaging and do your own looking."

its a shame as i have met some nice guys of here an some of them are friends an ive got to know them an often ask how iam which is nice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh please dont leave..... Please

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

"

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yea I might leave too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Block the single guys in your settings. You can contact them but they can only message you if you've messaged them first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Block single guys from messaging and do your own looking.

its a shame as i have met some nice guys of here an some of them are friends an ive got to know them an often ask how iam which is nice"

Once you've messaged a guy, he can message back, even though the filters are in place...

Guys on your friends list can still message.

You won't be cutting out those you already know.

Filters just mean you have to do the initial work of finding those you like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yea I might leave too "

Dare ya...

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"yea I might leave too "

why you leaving x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"dont worrry i do control it

they get told an blocked simple as

if they dont like a dominant fem lol

well thats their tough luck out

naturally dom in the bedroom lol

"

So why are you thinking go leaving if you have it all under control ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol "

Then I don't get why you started a thread on leaving because of them......?

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol

Then I don't get why you started a thread on leaving because of them......? "

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

all the best

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

thanks guys

maybe the idiot s dont like a dom fem an it undermines their masculinity an makes them feel less as a man

having said that some guys like a dominant fem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh please dont leave..... Please"

Lol think that's what she really wants to hear, if your gonna leave you'd leave, it's never plan sailing on here, im sure everyone who is genuine will get a shitty message or two out weighed by the fun and decent people on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yea I might leave too "

Leave then.....but only if your coming here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't let the dick heads spoil fab for you hun there not worth it

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"all the best "

tyx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol

Then I don't get why you started a thread on leaving because of them......? "

Neither do I or is it just cos I was working last night and I'm tired that my brain doesn't get why someone comes on says they leaving cos of single guys but then says has it all under control

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Don't let the dick heads spoil fab for you hun there not worth it "

ty oh i wont , believe me in the long run they wont do themselves any favours by acting like a douche lol

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol

Then I don't get why you started a thread on leaving because of them......?

Neither do I or is it just cos I was working last night and I'm tired that my brain doesn't get why someone comes on says they leaving cos of single guys but then says has it all under control "

i felt like leaving

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

"

This was pretty much what I was going to type...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The mind boggles.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers"

Why not block single guys from messaging you?

Instead of being the hunted become the hunter..

It works for us..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're sending abuse because you've rejected them, the abuse has nothing to do with you being dominant, but because you've rejected them.

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers

Why not block single guys from messaging you?

Instead of being the hunted become the hunter..

It works for us.."

Thanks i may do that

an thanks for advice x

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"If they're sending abuse because you've rejected them, the abuse has nothing to do with you being dominant, but because you've rejected them. "

exactly i know what you mean x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement

We're just desensitised to people moaning about leaving. If you wanted to leave, you would have.

"

sorry, but I agree

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread "

I post 'all the best' on all leaving threads... the same 3 words, it's easier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol

Then I don't get why you started a thread on leaving because of them......?

Neither do I or is it just cos I was working last night and I'm tired that my brain doesn't get why someone comes on says they leaving cos of single guys but then says has it all under control

i felt like leaving"

Ohhhhhh and then a stream of comments that massage the ego makes people change their mind about leaving , yep I get it now. Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would laugh so much if there was 175 posts of everyone saying bye, seeya I was hoping it would be up to atleast 50......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread "

No , really ? Well I never that does surprise me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thanks guys

maybe the idiot s dont like a dom fem an it undermines their masculinity an makes them feel less as a man

having said that some guys like a dominant fem "

I think your main issue is categorising people instead of accepting we're all different...

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

East Sussex


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers"

Some women block all single men and search for the men they want to meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread

I post 'all the best' on all leaving threads... the same 3 words, it's easier "

Might start standardizing my answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

telegram for mungo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo! "

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread

I post 'all the best' on all leaving threads... the same 3 words, it's easier

Might start standardizing my answers. "

I find the word 'really' quite flexible and sometimes provocative...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol. "

Really....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement "

u want encouragement,

Ok ignore the abuse and get over it

ignore the toxicity from some single men and enjoy why you joined here for YOUR FUN

why let the minority make you leave

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By *ancs30Man
over a year ago

Blackpool

Hi.... Your pics look great..... your profile and fourum comments sound like a good friendly person.... I would of thought you would get compliments not abuse.... shame on them... Ignore the idiots and have fun... xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers

Some women block all single men and search for the men they want to meet "

I did this on my old profile a while back and it worked very well, I tend to have more successful meets when I make first contact although I rarely get abuse but just have a laugh at their pathetic immaturity if I do, nice to know I've dodged a bullet. Fucktards always show their true colours in the end, they can't help it! No point letting this minority spoil the site for you, just have fun safe in the knowledge they won't be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread "

Have to agree with this. I don't get that she's leaving yet she has it all under control?? Still. Look at all the attention the OP has had. Cynical? Moi?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol.

Really...."

Really really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol. "

what about bob an sue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol. what about bob an sue? "

And Rita too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol. "

Is it only me that thought you'd written 'mungo, mary and MINGE,?

......I'll get me coat......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread

I post 'all the best' on all leaving threads... the same 3 words, it's easier

Might start standardizing my answers.

I find the word 'really' quite flexible and sometimes provocative... "

Really...

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers

Some women block all single men and search for the men they want to meet

I did this on my old profile a while back and it worked very well, I tend to have more successful meets when I make first contact although I rarely get abuse but just have a laugh at their pathetic immaturity if I do, nice to know I've dodged a bullet. Fucktards always show their true colours in the end, they can't help it! No point letting this minority spoil the site for you, just have fun safe in the knowledge they won't be "

exactlty its good how people brains work

ive had a lot of emails asking me not to leave in my inbox since ive been tidying up

so its nice there are some genuine people out there x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol.

Is it only me that thought you'd written 'mungo, mary and MINGE,?

......I'll get me coat...... "

blazing saddles

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"Hi.... Your pics look great..... your profile and fourum comments sound like a good friendly person.... I would of thought you would get compliments not abuse.... shame on them... Ignore the idiots and have fun... xx "

ty for compliments its nice

i agore the negative comments on my post water of a ducks back lol

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers

Some women block all single men and search for the men they want to meet

I did this on my old profile a while back and it worked very well, I tend to have more successful meets when I make first contact although I rarely get abuse but just have a laugh at their pathetic immaturity if I do, nice to know I've dodged a bullet. Fucktards always show their true colours in the end, they can't help it! No point letting this minority spoil the site for you, just have fun safe in the knowledge they won't be

exactlty its good how people brains work

ive had a lot of emails asking me not to leave in my inbox since ive been tidying up

so its nice there are some genuine people out there x"

Job done then!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers

Some women block all single men and search for the men they want to meet

I did this on my old profile a while back and it worked very well, I tend to have more successful meets when I make first contact although I rarely get abuse but just have a laugh at their pathetic immaturity if I do, nice to know I've dodged a bullet. Fucktards always show their true colours in the end, they can't help it! No point letting this minority spoil the site for you, just have fun safe in the knowledge they won't be

exactlty its good how people brains work

ive had a lot of emails asking me not to leave in my inbox since ive been tidying up

so its nice there are some genuine people out there x"

Don't turn them down though they might get abusive ,mission accomplished we think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol. what about bob an sue?

And Rita too "

giggidy

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By *rs TootyWoman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

So. The post started off.. I'm leaving.

It progressed to how fab you are to youve now realised you're going to stay.

Have you looked at how you reply in the first instance.

Calling people idiots is not nice due to them not fulfilling your criteria.

The amount of posts on this site that advise blocking and moving I and people still moan about leaving them stay!?!?!

I'm bored, I'll see how many responses i get on forum by posting I'm leaving.

As it is, jobs done. You got response you wanted.

Seriously.

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

its physcological create controversy lol

an job done lol

you did the same

x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi.... Your pics look great..... your profile and fourum comments sound like a good friendly person.... I would of thought you would get compliments not abuse.... shame on them... Ignore the idiots and have fun... xx

ty for compliments its nice

i agore the negative comments on my post water of a ducks back lol "

So why not ignore the messages you got from guys then, why isn't that water off a ducks back

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford


"thats nice see ya

hopeing for encouragement

Sorry but people announce this all the time, yes some users are complete wankbags and can barely type let alone fuck a girl... BUT...if you're going to let them wear you down then its probably not the best place for you..

However...you can always

Laugh

Block

Move on....

As there is some genuinely great and sexy people that use this site..

"

Yes, way too many wankers, losers and utter wasters frequent this site but if you're prepared to sift through the shit, there are some real diamonds too.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey


"Hi.... Your pics look great..... your profile and fourum comments sound like a good friendly person.... I would of thought you would get compliments not abuse.... shame on them... Ignore the idiots and have fun... xx

ty for compliments its nice

i agore the negative comments on my post water of a ducks back lol "

Most of the comments on this aren't negative, they were just not the answers you wanted to hear.

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By *unter_hoodMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

You staying now ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Set your filters to block ALL single males, and just selectively contact the ones you think sound ok...that should help cut down on any grief you get.

Or just grow a thick skin.....

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol "

Oh, i thought you were threatening to leave because of it?

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

no just ignore the sily comments

an reply to the decent ones

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

yes as its nice ive had some emails for support

an of single guys, even cpls

x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this a leaving thread or not? I've got all this bunting...

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod

over a year ago

I think a negative attitude often promotes a negative response

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no just ignore the sily comments

an reply to the decent ones

"

Aka, cherrypicking the comments that suit the backtracking you've done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this a leaving thread or not? I've got all this bunting... "

You can take the balloons and helium back too....

I cancelled the brass band....

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


"telegram for mungo!

I've now got Mary mungo and midge on brain lol. what about bob an sue?

And Rita too "

Surely it's time you left Moody. You've been here since God was a lad

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey


"I think a negative attitude often promotes a negative response

"

Sorry nothing to do with the thread....

Just wanted to say fantastic avatar honeypot

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

O o O oo


"

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol "

This contradicts your OP about the reasons why you are leaving ( although as you want encouragement to stay I don't think you are going anyway )

Use your filters as you are staying

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By *helbee OP   Couple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

all the negativity with the comments

has made me want to stay

an defy , had the opposite affect lol

an determined

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

i have a thick skin dont worry

i laugh it off if anything the idiot emails make me laugh lol

This contradicts your OP about the reasons why you are leaving ( although as you want encouragement to stay I don't think you are going anyway )

Use your filters as you are staying"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im thinking of leaving

sick of the abuse from single guys cause i dont want to meet them

it spoils it for genuine people on here

some people resort to being immature

an i thought this site was supposed to be fun an have a laugh an for genuine swingers"

Why would you let them bother you? At the end of the day they're a hit of the block button away. You don't have to speak to anyone and you certainly shouldn't let the saddos upset you when they don't actually know you lol..just feel sorry for the sexually frustrated saddos!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"If this was a male posting this it would have been a totally different thread "

i have now got mine down do....

if you gonna go... go! if you gonna stay... stay!!!

if you are doing this for drama and attention..... never going to interested anyway....

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok it isn't fair to be calling people when no one knows the other side of the story so I am going to shut this.

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