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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most on here are hardened swingers and would find soft swing a bit of a waste of time !

But there's something for everyone so keep trying as u both look really nice people

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

THANKYOU AND YOU X

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By *horeyMan
over a year ago

Calne

I disagree with Danny...I think soft swap meets can be amazing fun. I've had plenty of soft swap meets and know quite a few couples that have the same preference...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We only soft swap too. Some couples are put off by it where as others really don't mind. We do find it hard to meet couples where we are all attracted to each other though. They are out there. Good luck both xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We quite like a soft swap meet on occasions. There's something really sensual about doing everything apart from actually fucking the other parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would love to meet you guys for soft swing but 5 hour trek a bit much good luck though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

No penetration, no kissing between m/f, no cum in mouth. All perfectly reasonable preferences, but they will put a lot of people off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

WE DO HAVE SOME GREAT FUN WHEN WE DO MEET XX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might be because you don't stop SHOUTING!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

WE LOVE SOFT SWOP AND THE END OF IT WHERE WE CAN FUCK EACH OTHER IN FRONT OF THE OTHER COUPLE XX ITS SO HORNY

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By *overs14Couple
over a year ago

norwich

We are only a soft swap couple at the moment and we get plenty of offers to meet. A few are put off and try to pressure us into meeting for full swap. But we just ignore those ones and move onto the next x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most on here are hardened swingers and would find soft swing a bit of a waste of time !

"

What are you basing that sweeping generalisation on?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

DITO WE LOVE IT AND WOULD NEVER CROSS OVER TO FULL SWOP YOU MAY ASWELL BE CHEATING THATS OUR VIEW BUT KNOW ITS NOT EVERYBODIES LOL X

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

5 HOURS IS TO FAR LOL

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

WELL THATS WHAT WE LIKE DO YOU EXCEPT CUM IN YOUR MOUTH FROM A STRANGER X

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

SHOUTING DONT KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are only a soft swap couple at the moment and we get plenty of offers to meet. A few are put off and try to pressure us into meeting for full swap. But we just ignore those ones and move onto the next x"

Very wise. Can't understand people who would try to pressure anyone into doing something they don't want to do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

STAY WITH WHAT YOU FEEL HAPPY WITH WE DO XX

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

MEETING GENUINE COUPLES WHO PLAY SOFT SWOP ONLY SIMPLE X

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By *uilty pleasurersCouple
over a year ago

Leicester


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

Tell us about it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

THANKYOU X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX

No penetration, no kissing between m/f, no cum in mouth. All perfectly reasonable preferences, but they will put a lot of people off."

OP you claim to do 'everything except penetration' but your profile lists several things you won't do. You also come across as self-centred in your preferences.

That said I don't think your preferences are your only problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also turn your caps lock off!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

OH SO WE CANT SAY WHAT WE DO AND DONT DO SO SORRY BUT THATS US READ OUR VERIFICATIONS NOT BAD ARE THEY WHEN WE MEET GENUINE PEOPLE

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

WHY SHOULD I TURN CAPS ITS UP TO ME HOW I TYPE YOU SEEM VERY ANNOYED FOR SOME REASON IS IT BECAUSE WE DONT FULL SWOP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know that moment when you wish you hadn't contributed to a thread

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

AM I TELLING YOU NOT TO MEET TVS OR SINGLE GUYS NO SO DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO OK

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By *eaningofLifeCouple
over a year ago

York

Might want to take the caps lock off. It's regarded as shouting on the Internet. I just read the entire thread to K, shouting your posts. She nearly crashed the car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know that moment when you wish you hadn't contributed to a thread "
this

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

YES WE DO BUT WE ARE JUST BEING HONEST AND ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION BUT OTHER PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW YOU SAD REALLY BUT THANKYOU THE COUPLE FROM BERKSHIRE XX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"DITO WE LOVE IT AND WOULD NEVER CROSS OVER TO FULL SWOP YOU MAY ASWELL BE CHEATING THATS OUR VIEW BUT KNOW ITS NOT EVERYBODIES LOL X "

And in this statement is the problem .

May as well be cheating ?

Clearly there are underlying potential issues in the meet . Notwithstanding the no penetration , no mf kissing , no cum in mouth and your perception of what you consider cheating - not for us thanks .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

oh sorry didnt know it ment shouting with caps on they are off now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know that moment when you wish you hadn't contributed to a thread this"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OH SO WE CANT SAY WHAT WE DO AND DONT DO SO SORRY BUT THATS US READ OUR VERIFICATIONS NOT BAD ARE THEY WHEN WE MEET GENUINE PEOPLE"

You asked for people's opinions why you might be struggling. Then get defensive at the suggestions. And tben suggest that people read your verifications to demonstrate that you don't need the advice you asked for as you are doing fine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh sorry didnt know it ment shouting with caps on they are off now "

PHEW!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"AM I TELLING YOU NOT TO MEET TVS OR SINGLE GUYS NO SO DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO OK "

No one is telling you what to do. They are offering the advice you asked for in your opening post

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

ok no problem

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By *untime duetCouple
over a year ago

leeds

we have similar wnats to yours and finding playmates extremely difficult too .

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By *orthyorkypairCouple
over a year ago

North Yorkshire


"Might be because you don't stop SHOUTING!

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Pardon!!!!!!! lol

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By *roovytwoCouple
over a year ago

burnley

Think you may be finding difficulty because of your preferences with respect to soft swinging....no problem with them at all, but you do limit what you will do and wont do within the boundaries of soft swing.

We do soft swing but our definition is no penetrative sex,Oral/kissing/cum in mouth is OK with us,just our preferences, but this gives us and others a wider "audience" if you follow our drift

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"oh sorry didnt know it ment shouting with caps on they are off now

PHEW! "

The thread is quieter. Oddly enough, I'm so conditioned to read words in capitals as shouting that when I read the capitalized posts, I shouted them in my head. Daft or what?

OP: 8 veris is good so keep doing what you're doing cos it's working.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we only soft swap and mainly just watch be watched on the first meet, we do get some offers so its not too bad but we will not be pushed into doing things we don't want to,

most of our fun cums at clubs finding peeps to play with when were there, its all good so play the way that suits you and enjoy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we have similar wnats to yours and finding playmates extremely difficult too . "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its easy, the dont meet single men, if they did they would have meets everyday lol

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By *wickers1Couple
over a year ago

Hounslow

We have had soft meets and haven't had a problem when approached. We guess it's about finding the right couple and talking about what both parties are comfortable with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well we as a couple are not hardened swingers at all both very chilled social pair but,see soft swing a waste time as get all horny build up will little ending

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

You would be welcome to visit us and share Jane while I watched and she would be fine with penetration only being between you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"WE LOVE SOFT SWOP AND THE END OF IT WHERE WE CAN FUCK EACH OTHER IN FRONT OF THE OTHER COUPLE XX ITS SO HORNY "

Stoooop shouting at us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Soft swap, full swap, do's and dont's, do whatever makes you happy but please don't write in CAPS no more!!! lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it just me or do other people also hate that expression : "hardened swingers"? Does it really mean anything at all? We don't say " hardened golfers" do we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We started as soft swap but then we just went all in lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me or do other people also hate that expression : "hardened swingers"? Does it really mean anything at all? We don't say " hardened golfers" do we?"

We must be "hardened shoppers" as we do that every week without fail!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well we as a couple are not hardened swingers at all both very chilled social pair but,see soft swing a waste time as get all horny build up will little ending "

soft swap does not mean you don't have penetration, you still penetrate with your own partner,

so you consider penetration with your partner is little ending ?

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

I love soft swap, don't often go the full way, I get a lot of pleasure from touching, kissing, caressing, oral and then penetration with my partner.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I think there are plenty into soft swap we enjoy it, just as much as the full swap. But there will be those who want to go all the way.

So as with anything that cuts down the options of people who can play.

But in the end there can be lots of reasons why meets might be tricky.

Age, Race, looks, hair colour, number of meets (too many/too few), profile too short, too long.

There are all kinds of reasons, but the best thing to do is just enjoy the fun you have had and no doubt will have in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we started out as soft swap with couples only and there are a lot of them here - xx

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By *ouple36DDCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

We have only soft swapped. For us it's a matter of finding the right couple and feel comfortable to fully swap

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By *ntriguedx2Couple
over a year ago

wigan

I find it a waste of time kissing etc is the most sensual part in the build up I can't get my head around soft swap ?!

What is soft swap ??!!!:-/

Swinging is swinging your taking away the whole part of what your doing it for you might as well go and sit in the pub and have a vanilla night out !

Sorry that's my opinion

And I don't think I'm the only person who thinks this way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of our hottest times have been with couples who soft swap only...A meet is as hot and exciting as you make it...penetration isn't the ultimate goal, enjoyment is...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have done soft and full swap, and soft can be very erotic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it a waste of time kissing etc is the most sensual part in the build up I can't get my head around soft swap ?!

What is soft swap ??!!!:-/

Swinging is swinging your taking away the whole part of what your doing it for you might as well go and sit in the pub and have a vanilla night out !

Sorry that's my opinion

And I don't think I'm the only person who thinks this way "

everything bar penetration is how we used to soft swap - but others a lot less - doesnt really matter what people do as long as all parties involved are happy -

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"I find it a waste of time kissing etc is the most sensual part in the build up I can't get my head around soft swap ?!

What is soft swap ??!!!:-/

Swinging is swinging your taking away the whole part of what your doing it for you might as well go and sit in the pub and have a vanilla night out !

Sorry that's my opinion

And I don't think I'm the only person who thinks this way "

So you never just kiss your own partner?

Never.

That must make goodbyes and hellos long drawn out affairs.

;-)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi guys

It seems there's mixed opinions here and each to their own

Maybe there's people new to the scene and are experimenting

Soft swing is a starter for ten isn't it ?and who knows in the heat of the moment maybe full swap would happen

We can see why people can be put off by swinging if they meet the wrong type of person or maybe not their "type of person"

We as a couple are interested in soft swap and Katie loves to play with the ladies

There can be mutual fun in the foreplay to satisfy doesn't always need penantrive sex to lead to orgasam does it ??

And as the OP implied they would do that themselves

Hope we are not speaking out of turn but there's plenty on here who don't even meet but their profiles imply they do

At least we do meet and if we don't click we have a social and go our separate ways no hard feelings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me or do other people also hate that expression : "hardened swingers"? Does it really mean anything at all? We don't say " hardened golfers" do we?

We must be "hardened shoppers" as we do that every week without fail!!! "

Ooh morrisons or other lol get Ya trolley you pulled

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We only soft swap and have had fantastic meets that are very erotic. Having looked at the op's profile apart from distance they appeal to us.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

We go to Chameleons for fun with others as we don't do penetrative sex either...certainly met lots of like minded people there and had lots of fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We only want soft swap because I don't want to play with the other guy, im wanting to explore my bi curious side, personally if OH wanted to see me being fucked by another bloke Id feel bit like he was pimping me out, what puzzles me tho is the amount of profiles which say soft swap and then potential meets say oh your fem doesn't want to play with the another bloke, if you don't want soft swap don't put on profile likewise we don't have same room swap on ours.

I get turned on watching another couple having sex and being watched with my fella I can't see where there is little or no fun in soft swap

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We only want soft swap because I don't want to play with the other guy, im wanting to explore my bi curious side, personally if OH wanted to see me being fucked by another bloke Id feel bit like he was pimping me out, what puzzles me tho is the amount of profiles which say soft swap and then potential meets say oh your fem doesn't want to play with the another bloke, if you don't want soft swap don't put on profile likewise we don't have same room swap on ours.

I get turned on watching another couple having sex and being watched with my fella I can't see where there is little or no fun in soft swap "

this is how we started out because we didnt know how we would feel watching each other with others- but with the mindset if we met people we felt comfy with the option to move boundaries was always there - started with couples - then found a lovely and experienced single fem who was more than happy to go with whatever and we full swapped with her - the first 4sum full swap was with a gorgeous couple with whom we are now good friends with - but it didnt happen quickly - but there isnt a rush is there - we are here for us at the end of the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had meet few weeks back and was all agreed in the soft swap front the other guy was crossing more n more boundaries and neither me or the OH were happy, didn't help that he didn't find other fem attractive either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The soft swap would be fine... No Kissing between m/f would be what would stop us meeting

We have had many meets where it's ended up soft swap despite not being the plan x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had meet few weeks back and was all agreed in the soft swap front the other guy was crossing more n more boundaries and neither me or the OH were happy, didn't help that he didn't find other fem attractive either "

we would stop play if boundaries were crossed but also neither one of us would take one for the team - if we all didnt fancy all parties just wouldnt have played at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We stopped play made our excuses and left, hence the very to the point profile we have now but another couple who have messaged us seem to think I won't enjoy not being fkd by the other guy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My husband and I only soft swap and we haven't found any trouble getting meets. You will find someone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happy with soft play only, I much prefer the foreplay and not that bothered about penatrive sex so it would suit me well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We believe in being honest from the start. we always let people know we enjoy soft Swap only for now as it is what works for us .X

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By *estmidscoupleCouple
over a year ago

West Midlands

yep our preference is soft swap only and penetration solely for us. Interesting thread, esp the single guy earlier saying "most people would find soft swing a waste of time" , Very much not by the look of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its all about finding your own way - we feel it took us a while but we were in no rush to get to a certain stage of play and have had no scary episodes to put us off as such - we are way more confident about ourselves now - and we both know that we would be able to tell if one of us wasnt sure and we would back off - we have even full swapped with a straight couple that we met at a club and that was never on the agenda but its who its with and that was a real fun night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are a 'soft' swing couple. We will do most things, just no penetrative sex. Kissing and cumming in or around the mouth is not a problem. However,like yourselves, we are finding meeting couples is proving to be difficult. Most of our meets have been with single guy's as with couples the dynamics change completely. You all have to be attracted to each other.

So we understand where you are coming from.

A soft swing night at a club would be a great idea. Even if it was just a one off event.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

It's because you are SHOUTING LOL

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By *lack Shoe Red SoulCouple
over a year ago

North Hampshire


"Might be because you don't stop SHOUTING!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

think people want you to lose the upper case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Soft swap leaves us soo frustrated as we do enjoy watching eachother having full sex with other couples! However, we do enjoy spending more time on the build up before any penetration, kissing, touching and lots n lots of oral play! So technically I suppose we do like a little soft swapping when we play

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By *xpatscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Ipswich


"MEETING GENUINE COUPLES WHO PLAY SOFT SWOP ONLY SIMPLE X "

we play soft swap

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

Well we would have been interested a meet with you but we are blocked from contacting you, maybe that is part of your problem??

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By *egsandPearlyCouple
over a year ago

Shaftesbury


"COULD ANYBODY PLEASE TELL US WHY WE FIND IT SO HARD TO ARRANGE A MEET IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY SOFT SWOP DO YOU THINK,WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT PENERTRATION THATS FOR US ONLY XX "

We prefer soft swing because its more sensual for us.. So stick with your boundries

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

We started of soft swap but haven't had a soft swap meet for years, pity because they can be just as erotic. We suppose most people are here mainly to fuck, which is why it's difficult to get a soft-swap-only meet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not difficult to get soft swap meets at all, lots of ours are, through choice, first meets are always soft swap for us, everything on the menu apart from swap fucking, don't think because you soft swap you're getting less meets, trouble is that many people define soft swap differently just be clear on your profile

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey


"DITO WE LOVE IT AND WOULD NEVER CROSS OVER TO FULL SWOP YOU MAY ASWELL BE CHEATING THATS OUR VIEW BUT KNOW ITS NOT EVERYBODIES LOL X "

May as well be cheating....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh sorry didnt know it ment shouting with caps on they are off now

PHEW! "

Lol...I was almost getting a headache

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"DITO WE LOVE IT AND WOULD NEVER CROSS OVER TO FULL SWOP YOU MAY ASWELL BE CHEATING THATS OUR VIEW BUT KNOW ITS NOT EVERYBODIES LOL X

May as well be cheating....

It's not cheating when your both consenting to it..most of the time it's in the same room as each other and can be a turn on to some. Darcy

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

Some people define soft swap as just staying with your own partner for everything, but doing it on the same bed as another couple. No foreplay and certainly no fucking. For us it has always meant anything except fucking - all foreplay including oral, 69, whatever.

Swinging isn't cheating - it's sharing. Watching the other one with someone else is one of the great thrills of the lifestyle, and we agree that same bed or same room play is best. Cheating causes tension, swinging relieves it!

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By *lutmeup500Woman
over a year ago

London

What's the point. It's all cheating against your partner really when you think about it. So why be half arsed about it?

The worst meets are when it's only girl on girl and the men perving. So fake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's the point. It's all cheating against your partner really when you think about it. So why be half arsed about it?

The worst meets are when it's only girl on girl and the men perving. So fake."

How is it cheating if it does not involve dishonesty ? Swinging and cheating are poles apart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not cheating if your partner is happy for you to do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's the point. It's all cheating against your partner really when you think about it. So why be half arsed about it?

The worst meets are when it's only girl on girl and the men perving. So fake."

so whats fake when 2/3/4 peeps do what they enjoy even if it doesn't involve penetration or if its just watching,

I don't get why its fake ?

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over a year ago

Thinking of doing a soft swing club night would this be of interest?

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By *roovytwoCouple
over a year ago

burnley

We both soft swing and full swap but a couple of years ago several soft swing couples .....and one great single guy asked us to arrange a soft swing party....only couples who we,or others we knew,had soft swapped with before were invited.

We were a little wary of how things would go but it went really well with no one pushing for more and everyone joining in....main thing was that everyone one had fun and plenty of laughs

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By *aydeesclubCouple
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

You could consider going along to a swingers club, we as as club get lots of couples who come along and some of them just like to dress sexily which they wouldn't get away with in their local etc., some like to just watch what goes on then go off into a private room and play, everyone has their difference's and they all normally find some one they can get along with, there are several clubs in your area, you could check them all out in the clubs section at the top of the fab page then south east area...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh sorry didnt know it ment shouting with caps on they are off now "

It's also significantly harder to read (ever noticed motorway signs aren't in capitols it's because we recognise the shape of lower case words more quickly)

But I'm genuinely curious why the hell you'd type in caps normally?

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By *ilke0131Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

We too are soft swing/voyeur only. Every couple has their boundaries. These have to be mutually agreed and respected. The best place to play is at a club, where "no thanks" means just that and there are no false expectations. These are easily created when there is a specific hotel/private address meet.

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