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"Not really as you spend most of your time as a single male simply trying to meet people. An active social life would be a far better option, if you're the sort of person who can naturally establish one." Ah but I live with my daughter teenager and have an ageing mother and a business so it depends on you circumstances. So meeting people with no ties is good for me | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ? 
 nothing simple about it  "It's simple for the fact it's better than straight sex and relationships plus you don't get invited to their mums for Sunday lunch or meet the family ! | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it "Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank. | |||
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it's much easier to find sex on here than anywhere else thought, I can't remember the last time I pulled a guy in real I don't think I'd have a sex life at all if it wasn't for this site | |||
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For non regular e.g. couples, group or any kink whatsoever Swinging sites on the internet are the most efficient at the moment. | |||
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"For singles looking for one on one sex, no it isn't, any night club specially 80's themed ones will have a gaggle of single men and women looking for somewhere to get breakfast. Maximum efficiency is to arrive at about 11:40pm before the alcohol spoils the sex
For non regular e.g. couples, group or any kink whatsoever Swinging sites on the internet are the most efficient at the moment."I have to disagree In my own personal experience I find meeting guys off here far easier than in real life, I honestly can't remember the last time a guy approached me in real life, it just does not happen yet I get 50 offers a day on here | |||
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"I have to disagree" That is probably due to me being a male who has only had one offer to meet on here (though I do discourage it, so not a real comparison) but never went home alone from a night club when I was single. Unfortunately at that stage of my life I didn't know about swinging or Fab, so no actual real comparison was made, if I had then I would I think still have more opportunities by going out looking than on the web, but I may have had better quality sex from here. | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank."Plenty of singles do manage it though. Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender. If you were the only single guy in 'the scene' there would still be women out there not interested in meeting you. *you being generic, not specific. A | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
If you were the only single guy in 'the scene' there would still be women out there not interested in meeting you.
*you being generic, not specific.
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
It's simple for the fact it's better than straight sex and relationships plus you don't get invited to their mums for Sunday lunch or meet the family !"Bledi hell, I was joking! I would have thought the and the in the two posts might have been a bit of a clue  | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender."Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her. Hence my point. | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point."Personality comes across in many forms. Profile content. Images. Forum posts. None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders. If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing. A | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content "Which they have to find and read first. " Images" That, with the limited attention they have to distribute amongst their potential suitors, they may well assume epitomises the users entire personality, as opposed to simply being a part of it. "Forum posts" That as you so often point out, are used by so very few of the site overall. | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content
Which they have to find and read first.
Images
That, with the limited attention they have to distribute amongst their potential suitors, they may well assume epitomises the users entire personality, as opposed to simply being a part of it.
Forum posts
That as you so often point out, are used by so very few of the site overall.
"As I said earlier. Plenty of singles manage to do it. On Fab. The same site as you. But hey - if blaming things that others manage to cope with helps rationalise things for you - crack on. A | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content
Which they have to find and read first.
Images
That, with the limited attention they have to distribute amongst their potential suitors, they may well assume epitomises the users entire personality, as opposed to simply being a part of it.
Forum posts
That as you so often point out, are used by so very few of the site overall.
As I said earlier.
Plenty of singles manage to do it. On Fab. The same site as you.
But hey - if blaming things that others manage to cope with helps rationalise things for you - crack on.
A"'That others manage to cope with' - presumably you haven't noticed the sheer number of guys voicing their frustrations with the site (the same one that I'm on) then? Just because a handful of guys succeed on here (though their definition of success may be different to mine) doesn't disprove my original point. | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content
Which they have to find and read first.
Images
That, with the limited attention they have to distribute amongst their potential suitors, they may well assume epitomises the users entire personality, as opposed to simply being a part of it.
Forum posts
That as you so often point out, are used by so very few of the site overall.
As I said earlier.
Plenty of singles manage to do it. On Fab. The same site as you.
But hey - if blaming things that others manage to cope with helps rationalise things for you - crack on.
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'That others manage to cope with' - presumably you haven't noticed the sheer number of guys voicing their frustrations with the site (the same one that I'm on) then? Just because a handful of guys succeed on here (though their definition of success may be different to mine) doesn't disprove my original point."You mean the sheer number of guys voicing their frustrations with the site via the forums - the forums that only a tiny percentage of the site use? Not sure exactly how many a sheer number of a tiny percentage actually is? 
But as for 'a handful'? There are plenty of single guys active - via here, clubs, parties, and socials, that are having a ball.
You just don't hear them moaning because they're either too busy enjoying themselves or don't see the site as the most important thing in life - just a part of it.
But I'm just repeating what's been said many, many times by many, many people. Guess it's pointless.
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"You mean the sheer number of guys voicing their frustrations with the site via the forums - the forums that only a tiny percentage of the site use? Not sure exactly how many a sheer number of a tiny percentage actually is? "Interesting that you mentioned further up that effective use of the forum can be instrumental in a single males success, now point out how few site members actually use it when you need to support your argument. "But as for 'a handful'? There are plenty of single guys active - via here, clubs, parties, and socials, that are having a ball." I didn't say anything about 'clubs, parties and socials', I'm referring to the site. Still, I'm sure some of those single guys have a great time at the swingers clubs once they've paid 2/3 times the entry fee for women and couples and are allowed in. "don't see the site as the most important thing in life - just a part of it." Funny I don't recall ever mentioning that? | |||
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"Depends what you class as 'simple' Some people bring more drama to the swinging scene than I have encountered in vanilla life. You would think NSA sex would be just that. " | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content
Which they have to find and read first.
Images
That, with the limited attention they have to distribute amongst their potential suitors, they may well assume epitomises the users entire personality, as opposed to simply being a part of it.
Forum posts
That as you so often point out, are used by so very few of the site overall.
As I said earlier.
Plenty of singles manage to do it. On Fab. The same site as you.
But hey - if blaming things that others manage to cope with helps rationalise things for you - crack on.
A
'That others manage to cope with' - presumably you haven't noticed the sheer number of guys voicing their frustrations with the site (the same one that I'm on) then? Just because a handful of guys succeed on here (though their definition of success may be different to mine) doesn't disprove my original point."Well yes it's true that there are a lot of guys in the forums who gripe about the sheer number of single guys allegedly spoiling it for them, but there may well be much more than a handful of guys who do ok on the site who have no need to moan and whinge and blame the site for missing out. | |||
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"In this modern age?A wanks easier.....lol  "True, but doesn't the real satisfaction of sex not lie in the feeling of simply climaxing, but in the knowledge that someone you fancied thought well enough of you to share in such a wonderful experience with you? | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point."Is the 'oh but we get inundated with messages' thing not just a bit of a cop out by a lot of women who don't want to answer loads and loads of message from guys they're not interested in. Or perhaps that's just me. I don't think I've ever 'missed' a message from someone where I liked the message and the look of their profile. If someone is interested in you, you will get through. I'm sure it's easy for me to say this as a woman, but I genuinely believe that men with realistic expectations who have good pictures, good profiles and send good messages do just fine. Not just a handful of them, but plenty of them. Yes it's skewed in favour of women, but it's not impossible, even without all the clubs and socials stuff that is everyone else's stock advice. | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Is the 'oh but we get inundated with messages' thing not just a bit of a cop out by a lot of women who don't want to answer loads and loads of message from guys they're not interested in. Or perhaps that's just me.
I don't think I've ever 'missed' a message from someone where I liked the message and the look of their profile. If someone is interested in you, you will get through.
I'm sure it's easy for me to say this as a woman, but I genuinely believe that men with realistic expectations who have good pictures, good profiles and send good messages do just fine. Not just a handful of them, but plenty of them.
Yes it's skewed in favour of women, but it's not impossible, even without all the clubs and socials stuff that is everyone else's stock advice. " Agree 100% | |||
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"Interesting that you mentioned further up that effective use of the forum can be instrumental in a single males success, now point out how few site members actually use it when you need to support your argument." I never linked 'success' and the forums - I stated that the forums are a mechanism for showing your personality. And that can work against you too! A | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content. Images. Forum posts.
None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders.
If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing.
A"Very true. In my searches today I've found loads of few single guys with many many veri's and clearly having the time of their lives. None of them have posted in the forums though. Looks like they are too busy off having fun! 
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content. Images. Forum posts.
None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders.
If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing.
A
Very true. In my searches today I've found loads of few single guys with many many veri's and clearly having the time of their lives. None of them have posted in the forums though. Looks like they are too busy off having fun!
"Or visiting clubs and socials and accruing their verifications that way - for guys like myself who simply want to use the site to meet people however, the number of single guys makes a HUGE difference. | |||
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"Interesting that you mentioned further up that effective use of the forum can be instrumental in a single males success, now point out how few site members actually use it when you need to support your argument. I never linked 'success' and the forums - I stated that the forums are a mechanism for showing your personality" That you, in turn, linked with success: "Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank." "Plenty of singles do manage it though...Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender...personality comes across in many forms...Profile content. Images. Forum posts." | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content. Images. Forum posts.
None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders.
If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing.
A
Very true. In my searches today I've found loads of few single guys with many many veri's and clearly having the time of their lives. None of them have posted in the forums though. Looks like they are too busy off having fun!
Or visiting clubs and socials and accruing their verifications that way - for guys like myself who simply want to use the site to meet people however, the number of single guys makes a HUGE difference."You seem bitter. The veri's I read were all site meets, not clubs or socials. | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content. Images. Forum posts.
None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders.
If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing.
A
Very true. In my searches today I've found loads of few single guys with many many veri's and clearly having the time of their lives. None of them have posted in the forums though. Looks like they are too busy off having fun!
Or visiting clubs and socials and accruing their verifications that way - for guys like myself who simply want to use the site to meet people however, the number of single guys makes a HUGE difference.
You seem bitter. The veri's I read were all site meets, not clubs or socials. "Were they actually worded as such or did you simply assume that? | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content. Images. Forum posts.
None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders.
If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing.
A
Very true. In my searches today I've found loads of few single guys with many many veri's and clearly having the time of their lives. None of them have posted in the forums though. Looks like they are too busy off having fun!
Or visiting clubs and socials and accruing their verifications that way - for guys like myself who simply want to use the site to meet people however, the number of single guys makes a HUGE difference.
You seem bitter. The veri's I read were all site meets, not clubs or socials.
Were they actually worded as such or did you simply assume that?"Yes they were worded that way. I made a point of reading them because I'd been reading this thread. I think certain types of guys will never do well on sites such as these. | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content. Images. Forum posts.
None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders.
If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing.
A
Very true. In my searches today I've found loads of few single guys with many many veri's and clearly having the time of their lives. None of them have posted in the forums though. Looks like they are too busy off having fun!
Or visiting clubs and socials and accruing their verifications that way - for guys like myself who simply want to use the site to meet people however, the number of single guys makes a HUGE difference.
You seem bitter. The veri's I read were all site meets, not clubs or socials.
Were they actually worded as such or did you simply assume that?
Yes they were worded that way. I made a point of reading them because I'd been reading this thread.
I think certain types of guys will never do well on sites such as these. "Interesting that you find these profiles so readily, as personally in my years on this site I've come across literally a handful of guys (out of thousands) who looked like they were able to consistently get meets purely by using the site, at least as far as I could tell from their verifications, but again, I cant be sure they weren't attending clubs and parties also. And what 'types' would these be? | |||
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"Swinging. Simple ?
nothing simple about it
Really, getting together for a little fun and friendship, and enjoying the natural, healthy union and psychological benefits of sex between a man and a woman SHOULD be incredibly straightforward, but it's far from it, and personally I reckon its down to the sheer number of single males in the scene, to be quite frank.
Plenty of singles do manage it though.
Is most likely down to individual personalities rather than the volume of a particular gender.
Unless of course the volume prevents the individual personality from being noticed, rather like trying to sing to a woman in a club full of thundering music and guys desperate to talk to her.
Hence my point.
Personality comes across in many forms.
Profile content. Images. Forum posts.
None of which are in any way affected by volumes of genders.
If you stand out (for the right reasons) the numbers mean nothing.
A
Very true. In my searches today I've found loads of few single guys with many many veri's and clearly having the time of their lives. None of them have posted in the forums though. Looks like they are too busy off having fun!
Or visiting clubs and socials and accruing their verifications that way - for guys like myself who simply want to use the site to meet people however, the number of single guys makes a HUGE difference.
You seem bitter. The veri's I read were all site meets, not clubs or socials.
Were they actually worded as such or did you simply assume that?
Yes they were worded that way. I made a point of reading them because I'd been reading this thread.
I think certain types of guys will never do well on sites such as these.
Interesting that you find these profiles so readily, as personally in my years on this site I've come across literally a handful of guys (out of thousands) who looked like they were able to consistently get meets purely by using the site, at least as far as I could tell from their verifications, but again, I cant be sure they weren't attending clubs and parties also.
And what 'types' would these be?"Not discussing this further. Call me a liar, I really don't care. I'm bored of the guys that whine about it being a numbers game. Bitterness is not attractive. Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. " Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think. | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think." Apologies, it was a general comment. Certainly didn't mean you. I agree with your final point though. | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think. Apologies, it was a general comment. Certainly didn't mean you. I agree with your final point though. " That's alright, and yes I do get bitter sometimes, not because I have some sort of misguided sense of entitlement, but simply because in all my years of doing this, I've experienced time and time again just how much time, effort and patience it takes to get anywhere if you want to swing via the internet, and just how much you need to put in in order to get so little out if you're a single male. We constantly have to struggle against all kinds of bullshit assumptions, trying to convince those we'd like to meet that we're not all one trick ponies, desperate losers or closet sociopaths, guys like me just want to be given a fair chance to see the ladies we like, get chatting to them, see if there's a chance she might like to meet us and then, if all goes well, enjoy some fantastic, erotic, loving and de-stressing together, something we all need in our lives as human beings, and yet are so often denied simply because we're born a sex with such negative stigma in this modern age attached to it. | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think. Apologies, it was a general comment. Certainly didn't mean you. I agree with your final point though. That's alright, and yes I do get bitter sometimes, not because I have some sort of misguided sense of entitlement, but simply because in all my years of doing this, I've experienced time and time again just how much time, effort and patience it takes to get anywhere if you want to swing via the internet, and just how much you need to put in in order to get so little out if you're a single male. We constantly have to struggle against all kinds of bullshit assumptions, trying to convince those we'd like to meet that we're not all one trick ponies, desperate losers or closet sociopaths, guys like me just want to be given a fair chance to see the ladies we like, get chatting to them, see if there's a chance she might like to meet us and then, if all goes well, enjoy some fantastic, erotic, loving and de-stressing together, something we all need in our lives as human beings, and yet are so often denied simply because we're born a sex with such negative stigma in this modern age attached to it." That was actually a really nice monologue I wrote there, shame I managed to leave the word 'sex' out after 'de-stressing'. | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think. Apologies, it was a general comment. Certainly didn't mean you. I agree with your final point though. That's alright, and yes I do get bitter sometimes, not because I have some sort of misguided sense of entitlement, but simply because in all my years of doing this, I've experienced time and time again just how much time, effort and patience it takes to get anywhere if you want to swing via the internet, and just how much you need to put in in order to get so little out if you're a single male. We constantly have to struggle against all kinds of bullshit assumptions, trying to convince those we'd like to meet that we're not all one trick ponies, desperate losers or closet sociopaths, guys like me just want to be given a fair chance to see the ladies we like, get chatting to them, see if there's a chance she might like to meet us and then, if all goes well, enjoy some fantastic, erotic, loving and de-stressing together, something we all need in our lives as human beings, and yet are so often denied simply because we're born a sex with such negative stigma in this modern age attached to it. That was actually a really nice monologue I wrote there, shame I managed to leave the word 'sex'o out after 'de-stressing'." In spite of appearances I do actually agree with you that it's crap for some guys on here. I often stick up for the single guys (on forum posts) because I know how soul destroying it can be, taking care to read profiles/ tailor a nice message to the person and get no response. It's crap. I do think the knobheads stand out though. (General comment, not you.) But some guys do have success. From what I saw today, not all down to clubs etc. Perhaps it's a mini local swinging network I stumbled upon. I don't know. Chin up anyway. | |||
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" I don't think I've ever 'missed' a message from someone where I liked the message and the look of their profile. If someone is interested in you, you will get through. I'm sure it's easy for me to say this as a woman, but I genuinely believe that men with realistic expectations who have good pictures, good profiles and send good messages do just fine. Not just a handful of them, but plenty of them. Yes it's skewed in favour of women, but it's not impossible, even without all the clubs and socials stuff that is everyone else's stock advice. "
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"for some it is..for others it isnt..." | |||
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"But some guys do have success. From what I saw today, not all down to clubs etc. Perhaps it's a mini local swinging network I stumbled upon. I don't know." Well, possibly, I have noticed that some areas just seem to have a higher number of active swingers than others, better male to female ratios etc. | |||
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"But some guys do have success. From what I saw today, not all down to clubs etc. Perhaps it's a mini local swinging network I stumbled upon. I don't know. Well, possibly, I have noticed that some areas just seem to have a higher number of active swingers than others, better male to female ratios etc. " That's true, its proven those in north England have more success as women there as well "are more up for it" than down here in south. | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think. Apologies, it was a general comment. Certainly didn't mean you. I agree with your final point though. That's alright, and yes I do get bitter sometimes, not because I have some sort of misguided sense of entitlement, but simply because in all my years of doing this, I've experienced time and time again just how much time, effort and patience it takes to get anywhere if you want to swing via the internet, and just how much you need to put in in order to get so little out if you're a single male. We constantly have to struggle against all kinds of bullshit assumptions, trying to convince those we'd like to meet that we're not all one trick ponies, desperate losers or closet sociopaths, guys like me just want to be given a fair chance to see the ladies we like, get chatting to them, see if there's a chance she might like to meet us and then, if all goes well, enjoy some fantastic, erotic, loving and de-stressing together, something we all need in our lives as human beings, and yet are so often denied simply because we're born a sex with such negative stigma in this modern age attached to it. That was actually a really nice monologue I wrote there, shame I managed to leave the word 'sex' out after 'de-stressing'." It was really nice and the word sex is not always necessary when talking about meeting up. Nothing wrong with some erotic speech  | |||
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"In this modern age?" For me it is all about sex with relative strangers which removes all the complications of a relationship or even of a friendship Some have become sort of friends. But they know and I know that no reasons or explanations are required never to see or to speak with each other in the future My real friends who I can rely on, are in the big wide world out there | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think. Apologies, it was a general comment. Certainly didn't mean you. I agree with your final point though. That's alright, and yes I do get bitter sometimes, not because I have some sort of misguided sense of entitlement, but simply because in all my years of doing this, I've experienced time and time again just how much time, effort and patience it takes to get anywhere if you want to swing via the internet, and just how much you need to put in in order to get so little out if you're a single male. We constantly have to struggle against all kinds of bullshit assumptions, trying to convince those we'd like to meet that we're not all one trick ponies, desperate losers or closet sociopaths, guys like me just want to be given a fair chance to see the ladies we like, get chatting to them, see if there's a chance she might like to meet us and then, if all goes well, enjoy some fantastic, erotic, loving and de-stressing together, something we all need in our lives as human beings, and yet are so often denied simply because we're born a sex with such negative stigma in this modern age attached to it. That was actually a really nice monologue I wrote there, shame I managed to leave the word 'sex' out after 'de-stressing'. It was really nice and the word sex is not always necessary when talking about meeting up. Nothing wrong with some erotic speech "Thankyou x | |||
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"Women on here are not free prostitutes. No matter what some guys think. Neither what I said nor remotely implied, but whilst we're at it, men are not simply here to stroke your egos. No matter what some women think. Apologies, it was a general comment. Certainly didn't mean you. I agree with your final point though. That's alright, and yes I do get bitter sometimes, not because I have some sort of misguided sense of entitlement, but simply because in all my years of doing this, I've experienced time and time again just how much time, effort and patience it takes to get anywhere if you want to swing via the internet, and just how much you need to put in in order to get so little out if you're a single male. We constantly have to struggle against all kinds of bullshit assumptions, trying to convince those we'd like to meet that we're not all one trick ponies, desperate losers or closet sociopaths, guys like me just want to be given a fair chance to see the ladies we like, get chatting to them, see if there's a chance she might like to meet us and then, if all goes well, enjoy some fantastic, erotic, loving and de-stressing together, something we all need in our lives as human beings, and yet are so often denied simply because we're born a sex with such negative stigma in this modern age attached to it. That was actually a really nice monologue I wrote there, shame I managed to leave the word 'sex' out after 'de-stressing'. It was really nice and the word sex is not always necessary when talking about meeting up. Nothing wrong with some erotic speech
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