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"I disagree. The first message doesn't really matter if the profile is good. If I get sent a first message that is longer than a couple of sentences I will put it to one side and may never get round to replying as I don't always have the time. There really is little point in trying to give others tips on how to write a message. If they can't work out how to send a first message then they are going to struggle to keep the conversation going." Plus there is not really any such thing as a 'successful' first message with me, as I'd never agree to meet someone based on a first message alone. It could be the best message and the best profile ever, but if they subsequently turn out to be a bit of an arse or we just don't click then I'm not going to meet. | |||
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"But if you're a single male, 25-years-old, handsome, six feet tall, muscular, have 8+ inches, and can accommodate, you only need to write three words: "want a fuck"." I see. | |||
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"I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look" Thank you | |||
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"Call me shallow but it's all about the face pic, the profile and the message means diddly squat if you don't look at the face pic and think 'phwoaaar'. Nobody ever has a wank over a nice personality! " Says it all | |||
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"I disagree. The first message doesn't really matter if the profile is good. If I get sent a first message that is longer than a couple of sentences I will put it to one side and may never get round to replying as I don't always have the time. There really is little point in trying to give others tips on how to write a message. If they can't work out how to send a first message then they are going to struggle to keep the conversation going. Plus there is not really any such thing as a 'successful' first message with me, as I'd never agree to meet someone based on a first message alone. It could be the best message and the best profile ever, but if they subsequently turn out to be a bit of an arse or we just don't click then I'm not going to meet." My point was, if the first massage won't be read, no future communication. | |||
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"Call me shallow but it's all about the face pic, the profile and the message means diddly squat if you don't look at the face pic and think 'phwoaaar'. Nobody ever has a wank over a nice personality! " I agree this, as I'm very selective about appearance and body shape But I'd like good looks and good manner in one person | |||
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"You can send a 3 word message or a 2000 worded message but if theres no attraction there both useless. " Exactly this. I've had guys that have messaged me one line and have captured my interest. Everyone is looking for something different, so the OP has outlined what they are looking for in a first message. That is great, but not everyone wants that. That was my point. To everyone writing a first message....do what the hell you like and you will find someone to suit you. Not a group of people on the forum. | |||
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"You can send a 3 word message or a 2000 worded message but if theres no attraction there both useless. " absolutely spot on | |||
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"I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look" Verbosity is not attractive. We don't expect someone to write as if they're applying for a job. Good pics and a polite first message is enough to get us to take a closer look. | |||
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" First impressions count for a lot, for things to progress to skin on skin for me there has to be an attraction as well, " Thank you | |||
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"I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look Verbosity is not attractive. We don't expect someone to write as if they're applying for a job. Good pics and a polite first message is enough to get us to take a closer look." Bugger, I believe I'm verbose, I'm the Norris Cole of 1st messages. | |||
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"I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look Verbosity is not attractive. We don't expect someone to write as if they're applying for a job. Good pics and a polite first message is enough to get us to take a closer look. Bugger, I believe I'm verbose, I'm the Norris Cole of 1st messages. " We met him once. He was rubbish | |||
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"I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look Verbosity is not attractive. We don't expect someone to write as if they're applying for a job. Good pics and a polite first message is enough to get us to take a closer look. Bugger, I believe I'm verbose, I'm the Norris Cole of 1st messages. We met him once. He was rubbish " Lol, I bet he swept up after himself though. | |||
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"I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look Verbosity is not attractive. We don't expect someone to write as if they're applying for a job. Good pics and a polite first message is enough to get us to take a closer look." I couldn't agree more. Well said guys. J | |||
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"I'd go with what the OP said. Something to indicate that they had read my profile is a great start. Something other than 'have big penis, want to fuck?' is generally a winner. Something that shows they can find the shift key and be articulate about something is great. Because, you know, I like to think that there are enough men on this site that I don't just have to 'put up' with one in order to have sex. I like to think I could actually find people that I can get on well with as friends too..." Are you suggesting that people that don't write long detailed first messages or that don't necessarily wish to receive them are just putting up with others and aren't making friends as well as having sex? | |||
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"But if you're a single male, 25-years-old, handsome, six feet tall, muscular, have 8+ inches, and can accommodate, you only need to write three words: "want a fuck"." Which suggests how little you know about the way women's minds work!! "I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look Verbosity is not attractive. We don't expect someone to write as if they're applying for a job. Good pics and a polite first message is enough to get us to take a closer look." It's possible to write a good first message without it coming across as a job application!! First messages count for a lot with me personally, if the message captures my interest I will look at the profile, if not I don't bother any more. I have been swayed in favour of meeting someone I would not initially have found attractive based on the exchange of messages so it's not always about instant physical attraction. Which just goes to prove I guess that we all know what we want and its very much a case of different strokes for different folk, there is no "one size fits all" approach which guarantees success | |||
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"But if you're a single male, 25-years-old, handsome, six feet tall, muscular, have 8+ inches, and can accommodate, you only need to write three words: "want a fuck". Which suggests how little you know about the way women's minds work!! I think it boils down to the kind of person you're looking for. I prefer the more verbose articulate person looking to be sociable and meet. Anyone who doesn't want to read 5 sentences isn't going to be for me, no matter how great they look Verbosity is not attractive. We don't expect someone to write as if they're applying for a job. Good pics and a polite first message is enough to get us to take a closer look. It's possible to write a good first message without it coming across as a job application!! First messages count for a lot with me personally, if the message captures my interest I will look at the profile, if not I don't bother any more. I have been swayed in favour of meeting someone I would not initially have found attractive based on the exchange of messages so it's not always about instant physical attraction. Which just goes to prove I guess that we all know what we want and its very much a case of different strokes for different folk, there is no "one size fits all" approach which guarantees success " Very true xx | |||
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"You can send a 3 word message or a 2000 worded message but if theres no attraction there both useless. " I find very hard to say “no thanks“ to the ratter. Especially sincere message. Usually we ended up chatting without meet | |||
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"I'd go with what the OP said. Something to indicate that they had read my profile is a great start. Something other than 'have big penis, want to fuck?' is generally a winner. Something that shows they can find the shift key and be articulate about something is great. Because, you know, I like to think that there are enough men on this site that I don't just have to 'put up' with one in order to have sex. I like to think I could actually find people that I can get on well with as friends too..." Thank you Now I know my tactics work at least two women at Fab | |||
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"Personally I think the second message that you send is the most important. You have sent a first message, inc face pics and introduced yourself as the OP has described. You have received a reply. Now is your chance to impress or balls up big time. You have the ladies/couples attention. Don't blow it!! So many fall down at this stage." You make it sound like an audition!!! Whatever happened to just having a chat??? | |||
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"Personally I think the second message that you send is the most important. You have sent a first message, inc face pics and introduced yourself as the OP has described. You have received a reply. Now is your chance to impress or balls up big time. You have the ladies/couples attention. Don't blow it!! So many fall down at this stage. You make it sound like an audition!!! Whatever happened to just having a chat???" Audition? Well I suppose it is in a way. My time is precious and I'm not here to just chat with everyone who messages me if it leads nowhere. Yep my profile.My way if doing things. | |||
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" Are you suggesting that people that don't write long detailed first messages or that don't necessarily wish to receive them are just putting up with others and aren't making friends as well as having sex?" No, but I can't imagine the kind of person who gets interested on by a 'wnt 2 fuk' or 'im bi' first message is exactly looking for intelligent conversation and long lasting friendship. | |||
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"Personally I think the second message that you send is the most important. You have sent a first message, inc face pics and introduced yourself as the OP has described. You have received a reply. Now is your chance to impress or balls up big time. You have the ladies/couples attention. Don't blow it!! So many fall down at this stage." No pressure then | |||
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"Tip - Successful First Message It's totally my personal biased opinion Objection, suggestion or modification all welcome In three to five paragraphs of three to five sentences each, provide basic information like WHY YOU MESSAGING, WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO DO IT, WHAT'S UNIQUE OR SPECIAL ABOUT YOU, and briefly, WHAT THE PERSON MEANS TO YOU. Don't bog readers down, but rather entice them to want to know you more. As with any good first impression, your message should hook and invite further inquiry, like a really good story is about to unfold. Not give too little, not too much. Be specific, not vague. Online attention spans are very short so you have to do whatever is necessary within a brief period of time to convince anyone who may like what they see to slow down and take a longer look. Always strive easy to read and understand for anyone who has any interest whatsoever in learning more. A poorly worded presentation can cost you big. Good luck " | |||
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"I kind of see this as if you were in a social situation, you need something to perk interest, something that enables the other to engage with. I diatribe of "look at me" doesn't do that in my book. " Oh and leave an open question... | |||
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"Personally I think the second message that you send is the most important. You have sent a first message, inc face pics and introduced yourself as the OP has described. You have received a reply. Now is your chance to impress or balls up big time. You have the ladies/couples attention. Don't blow it!! So many fall down at this stage." I agree. Sometimes second message suddenly drop the standard, as if talking to different person. In that case, first message must be pre written and very well adjusted. | |||
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"You can send a 3 word message or a 2000 worded message but if theres no attraction there both useless. I find very hard to say “no thanks“ to the ratter. Especially sincere message. Usually we ended up chatting without meet " Giving the guy false hope then. Yeah lets string him along | |||
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"Personally I think the second message that you send is the most important. You have sent a first message, inc face pics and introduced yourself as the OP has described. You have received a reply. Now is your chance to impress or balls up big time. You have the ladies/couples attention. Don't blow it!! So many fall down at this stage." Yes ladies and couples aswell take note. Not just the rats of fab...single guys | |||
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"A good thread, thank you. The replies are just as informative. The minimum requirement from the OP was 3 paragraphs of 3 sentences each... If I were to write such a short message to any woman and she lacked the wit, or attention span to read it; Obviously she's not going to respond. Nor would I want her to! Some women want nothing but location and Cock pics. Some want a full and suggestive biography. what's a man to do; go figure? " Thank you | |||
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" Giving the guy false hope then. Yeah lets string him along " No, I don't give anyone false hope. I make myself very clear that “no possible meet“. But some want to carry on chat. That their choice. | |||
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" Giving the guy false hope then. Yeah lets string him along No, I don't give anyone false hope. I make myself very clear that “no possible meet“. But some want to carry on chat. That their choice. " Good for them Myself on the other hand would rather give the ladys that wanna meet my full attention and block the just chatters no meets. Saves wasting both persons time | |||
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" WHY YOU MESSAGING. " Good afternoon, I am replying to your post as I enjoy a mental challenge. Having read your profile, I may well fall short in some areas, however I find that the thrill of the chase, the anticipation of the reply, the investigation of how another person thinks and feels can be as rewarding as physical interaction. I seek nothing more than correspondence, a meeting of minds. Anything physical is, as always, an added and most welcome bonus. Nothing is expected, anticipated or demanded. "WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO DO IT" The social interaction within the lifestyle fascinates me. The opportunity to explore beyond the social circles I normally inhabit. There are elements of sexuality I wish to explore, but the giving of pleasure to others is my focus. Your profile strikes me as someone I could develop a bond with. "WHAT'S UNIQUE OR SPECIAL ABOUT YOU" I have a tremendously giving nature. I like to put a lady at ease and the centre of attention. For the right person, nothing is too much trouble. " and briefly, WHAT THE PERSON MEANS TO YOU. " I see you as a lady of mystery, quite clear on what you seek, but with so much potential to unlock. . So how would that go down? | |||
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"Tip - Successful First Message It's totally my personal biased opinion Objection, suggestion or modification all welcome In three to five paragraphs of three to five sentences each, provide basic information like WHY YOU MESSAGING, WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO DO IT, WHAT'S UNIQUE OR SPECIAL ABOUT YOU, and briefly, WHAT THE PERSON MEANS TO YOU. Don't bog readers down, but rather entice them to want to know you more. As with any good first impression, your message should hook and invite further inquiry, like a really good story is about to unfold. Not give too little, not too much. Be specific, not vague. Online attention spans are very short so you have to do whatever is necessary within a brief period of time to convince anyone who may like what they see to slow down and take a longer look. Always strive easy to read and understand for anyone who has any interest whatsoever in learning more. A poorly worded presentation can cost you big. Good luck " Yep, that will work for me as long as he is the kind of guy who will interest me in the first place Otherwise, what is the difference between the 100 messages I will get tomorrow and another 100 the day after | |||
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"You can send a 3 word message or a 2000 worded message but if theres no attraction there both useless. Exactly this. I've had guys that have messaged me one line and have captured my interest. Everyone is looking for something different, so the OP has outlined what they are looking for in a first message. That is great, but not everyone wants that. That was my point. To everyone writing a first message....do what the hell you like and you will find someone to suit you. Not a group of people on the forum." Bingo!!!!! Writing a reply shouldn't be like writing some sort of templates Just like writing a profile shouldn't be like writing a template either I like the way it is now in that it's a lot easier to work out who doesn't get or up to a point understand what they're doing and what they are trying to get across.... And that is going to be very individual | |||
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"You can send a 3 word message or a 2000 worded message but if theres no attraction there both useless. Exactly this. I've had guys that have messaged me one line and have captured my interest. Everyone is looking for something different, so the OP has outlined what they are looking for in a first message. That is great, but not everyone wants that. That was my point. To everyone writing a first message....do what the hell you like and you will find someone to suit you. Not a group of people on the forum. Bingo!!!!! " You shout numbers at them? | |||
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" Good for them Myself on the other hand would rather give the ladys that wanna meet my full attention and block the just chatters no meets. Saves wasting both persons time " Agree When I send “thanks but no thanks“ reply, I always ask “block me and move on please“. Some say “no need to block“, some block me. I don't mind chatters | |||
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" WHY YOU MESSAGING. Good afternoon, I am replying to your post as I enjoy a mental challenge. Having read your profile, I may well fall short in some areas, however I find that the thrill of the chase, the anticipation of the reply, the investigation of how another person thinks and feels can be as rewarding as physical interaction. I seek nothing more than correspondence, a meeting of minds. Anything physical is, as always, an added and most welcome bonus. Nothing is expected, anticipated or demanded. WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO DO IT The social interaction within the lifestyle fascinates me. The opportunity to explore beyond the social circles I normally inhabit. There are elements of sexuality I wish to explore, but the giving of pleasure to others is my focus. Your profile strikes me as someone I could develop a bond with. WHAT'S UNIQUE OR SPECIAL ABOUT YOU I have a tremendously giving nature. I like to put a lady at ease and the centre of attention. For the right person, nothing is too much trouble. and briefly, WHAT THE PERSON MEANS TO YOU. I see you as a lady of mystery, quite clear on what you seek, but with so much potential to unlock. . So how would that go down?" Could I ask your opinion on this? | |||
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"But if you're a single male, 25-years-old, handsome, six feet tall, muscular, have 8+ inches, and can accommodate, you only need to write three words: "want a fuck"." Sorry mate, you'll just come across as cocky doing that | |||
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" WHY YOU MESSAGING. Good afternoon, I am replying to your post as I enjoy a mental challenge. Having read your profile, I may well fall short in some areas, however I find that the thrill of the chase, the anticipation of the reply, the investigation of how another person thinks and feels can be as rewarding as physical interaction. I seek nothing more than correspondence, a meeting of minds. Anything physical is, as always, an added and most welcome bonus. Nothing is expected, anticipated or demanded. WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO DO IT The social interaction within the lifestyle fascinates me. The opportunity to explore beyond the social circles I normally inhabit. There are elements of sexuality I wish to explore, but the giving of pleasure to others is my focus. Your profile strikes me as someone I could develop a bond with. WHAT'S UNIQUE OR SPECIAL ABOUT YOU I have a tremendously giving nature. I like to put a lady at ease and the centre of attention. For the right person, nothing is too much trouble. and briefly, WHAT THE PERSON MEANS TO YOU. I see you as a lady of mystery, quite clear on what you seek, but with so much potential to unlock. . So how would that go down? " In my option, it is good template you've written but slightly rigid and long. Adding a little personal taste, witty remark and affectionate makes nicer I think. I guess it's not for me, is it? If so, you are asking me a reply, nothing more. So it's over when I reply. | |||
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"Please stop giving my competition useful advice........ " Sorry but don't worry, no one follow, that the point on my post Actually this put your competitors off | |||
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"Please stop giving my competition useful advice........ Sorry but don't worry, no one follow, that the point on my post Actually this put your competitors off " Ahh yes; I forgot! They don't like reading ore than 3 lines of text do they? | |||
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"Personally I think the second message that you send is the most important. You have sent a first message, inc face pics and introduced yourself as the OP has described. You have received a reply. Now is your chance to impress or balls up big time. You have the ladies/couples attention. Don't blow it!! So many fall down at this stage. Yes ladies and couples aswell take note. Not just the rats of fab...single guys " Love that, the rats of fab. Sounds like the making of a new clique | |||
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"Tip - Successful First Message It's totally my personal biased opinion Objection, suggestion or modification all welcome In three to five paragraphs of three to five sentences each, provide basic information like WHY YOU MESSAGING, WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO DO IT, WHAT'S UNIQUE OR SPECIAL ABOUT YOU, and briefly, WHAT THE PERSON MEANS TO YOU. Don't bog readers down, but rather entice them to want to know you more. As with any good first impression, your message should hook and invite further inquiry, like a really good story is about to unfold. Not give too little, not too much. Be specific, not vague. Online attention spans are very short so you have to do whatever is necessary within a brief period of time to convince anyone who may like what they see to slow down and take a longer look. Always strive easy to read and understand for anyone who has any interest whatsoever in learning more. A poorly worded presentation can cost you big. Good luck " To be honest I think that's too long hun. I currently have 500 unread messages. Tbh I think one good paragraph, preferably witty, with a smiling face pic and a torso pic is enough to get a response if the lady finds you attractive enough! Xx | |||
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"You can send a 3 word message or a 2000 worded message but if theres no attraction there both useless. Exactly this. I've had guys that have messaged me one line and have captured my interest. Everyone is looking for something different, so the OP has outlined what they are looking for in a first message. That is great, but not everyone wants that. That was my point. To everyone writing a first message....do what the hell you like and you will find someone to suit you. Not a group of people on the forum. Bingo!!!!! Writing a reply shouldn't be like writing some sort of templates Just like writing a profile shouldn't be like writing a template either I like the way it is now in that it's a lot easier to work out who doesn't get or up to a point understand what they're doing and what they are trying to get across.... And that is going to be very individual " | |||
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" WHY YOU MESSAGING. Good afternoon, I am replying to your post as I enjoy a mental challenge. Having read your profile, I may well fall short in some areas, however I find that the thrill of the chase, the anticipation of the reply, the investigation of how another person thinks and feels can be as rewarding as physical interaction. I seek nothing more than correspondence, a meeting of minds. Anything physical is, as always, an added and most welcome bonus. Nothing is expected, anticipated or demanded. WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO DO IT The social interaction within the lifestyle fascinates me. The opportunity to explore beyond the social circles I normally inhabit. There are elements of sexuality I wish to explore, but the giving of pleasure to others is my focus. Your profile strikes me as someone I could develop a bond with. WHAT'S UNIQUE OR SPECIAL ABOUT YOU I have a tremendously giving nature. I like to put a lady at ease and the centre of attention. For the right person, nothing is too much trouble. and briefly, WHAT THE PERSON MEANS TO YOU. I see you as a lady of mystery, quite clear on what you seek, but with so much potential to unlock. . So how would that go down? In my option, it is good template you've written but slightly rigid and long. Adding a little personal taste, witty remark and affectionate makes nicer I think. I guess it's not for me, is it? If so, you are asking me a reply, nothing more. So it's over when I reply. " Excellent critique and feedback. I tried to stick within your guidelines, following the advice that you gave. I was attentive and tried to hook into your profile. But yet I still got it wrong. It took me about 15 minutes to write, edit, spell check etc. For me to do this would result in me sending four speculative messages. Only to get a thanks but no thanks. I can understand why single guys end up going for the fancy a fuck option. If you carpet bomb enough ladies, one may reply eventually. I believe women read profiles. My profile is a truer reflection of my personality, but unless you read my profile before reading the message, you are unlikely to give me a second look. We are told to: Stand out. Be original. Read the profile. Be witty. Draw you in. You don't have time to read every message, so why offer advice then move the goalpoats? But what would I know. I'm a distinctly average guy just trying to have fun with the friends I have and the friends I have yet to meet. | |||
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"Women should go looking. See how they like it when they have to send the first message. And get no response, or some rude obnoxious reply." | |||
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"My first message: "wanna fuck?" Well, that wasn't too difficult " Grab your coat. Err I mean You could have looked at my profile first, I'm not a piece of meat blah blah | |||
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"Women should go looking. See how they like it when they have to send the first message. And get no response, or some rude obnoxious reply." | |||
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"My first message: "wanna fuck?" Well, that wasn't too difficult " I didn't get it...think there's a problem with the mail system | |||
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" Its only good advice if you want to meet the op " Exactly It's for very narrow pinspot selective target Success rate must be extremely low | |||
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"My first message: "wanna fuck?" Well, that wasn't too difficult Grab your coat. Err I mean You could have looked at my profile first, I'm not a piece of meat blah blah " This is what I get for my efforts; a pervert who wants sex with my coat x That is it; no more sending messages So, what is wrong with my profile? | |||
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"My first message: "wanna fuck?" Well, that wasn't too difficult Grab your coat. Err I mean You could have looked at my profile first, I'm not a piece of meat blah blah This is what I get for my efforts; a pervert who wants sex with my coat x That is it; no more sending messages So, what is wrong with my profile? " another look at me post | |||
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"My first message: "wanna fuck?" Well, that wasn't too difficult Grab your coat. Err I mean You could have looked at my profile first, I'm not a piece of meat blah blah This is what I get for my efforts; a pervert who wants sex with my coat x That is it; no more sending messages So, what is wrong with my profile? another look at me post " yours or mine? i could do with a tad less; only 52 weekends in a year | |||
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"I disagree. The first message doesn't really matter if the profile is good. If I get sent a first message that is longer than a couple of sentences I will put it to one side and may never get round to replying as I don't always have the time. There really is little point in trying to give others tips on how to write a message. If they can't work out how to send a first message then they are going to struggle to keep the conversation going." I agree. Lots of women and couples have said when they get a message before they read it they look at the persons profile. If the profile interests them they read the email. | |||
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"My first message: "wanna fuck?" Well, that wasn't too difficult Grab your coat. Err I mean You could have looked at my profile first, I'm not a piece of meat blah blah This is what I get for my efforts; a pervert who wants sex with my coat x That is it; no more sending messages So, what is wrong with my profile? another look at me post yours or mine? i could do with a tad less; only 52 weekends in a year " Definately mine! I'm an attention junkie... Oh did I post that to the forum instead of pm it? | |||
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