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"Are there any disabled people involved in swinging? If they go to clubs do they get treated equally and get their fair share of the action or are they discriminated against as is sadly so often the case in wider society?" So if a disabled person goes to a club is there a legally defined "fair share" that they are entitled to covered by the DDA and if they don't get it they can complain? People are more than their disability and by focusing on it like this you do everyone a disservice. | |||
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"Disabily can be hidden. You're a bit one dimensional. Why are you asking. " I suspect he works for Sydney university or The Sun on Sunday | |||
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"Why shouldn't they be treated equally? They are human beings. Her" Exactly and that includes going to a club and sometimes not getting lucky. | |||
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"Why shouldn't they be treated equally? They are human beings. Her Exactly and that includes going to a club and sometimes not getting lucky. " That's right, we go with no expectation, all about having a good laugh. Her | |||
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"Disabily can be hidden. You're a bit one dimensional. Why are you asking. I suspect he works for Sydney university or The Sun on Sunday " Using the green arrow I'm going for sexual naïvety. We all have to start somewhere I suppose. | |||
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"Are there any disabled people involved in swinging? ..." Absolutely!!! Come on you!!! Think about it - very open-minded sociable playful individuals mixing for fun!!!!!!! Where else are people with disabilities going to be able to get straight in there and get it on??????!!!!!!!! The spa near Heathrow airport is particularly amenable - wheelchair accessible throughout, lots of things to do like the pool where mobility restored for most disabled folk, rooms and tables to play on, etc. You got it - right here - here is a scene where these people are very much in evidence. | |||
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"Disabily can be hidden. You're a bit one dimensional. Why are you asking. I suspect he works for Sydney university or The Sun on Sunday " | |||
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"Me personally, I won't go near someone disabled I'd be scared if I'm hurting her or something which won't be fun for me " communication..???? | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world." Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something." Maybe I mis-read here, but are you essentially saying that if someone is discriminated against it's them with the problem and they should just get over it? | |||
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"Me personally, I won't go near someone disabled I'd be scared if I'm hurting her or something which won't be fun for me communication..????" | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Maybe I mis-read here, but are you essentially saying that if someone is discriminated against it's them with the problem and they should just get over it?" No, a lot of people "think" they are being discriminated against and dare I say, play on it. We can all be discriminated against for one reason or another, we mustn't let it be so. | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something." Sorry but utter rubbish. Disabled people as I've recently discovered are discriminated against in many many ways however not because I think anyone owes me anything or I let it but because I have no choice in the matter but with people with attitudes like that disabled people don't stand a chance | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Maybe I mis-read here, but are you essentially saying that if someone is discriminated against it's them with the problem and they should just get over it? No, a lot of people "think" they are being discriminated against and dare I say, play on it. We can all be discriminated against for one reason or another, we mustn't let it be so." I respect your (right to an) opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree. | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry but utter rubbish. Disabled people as I've recently discovered are discriminated against in many many ways however not because I think anyone owes me anything or I let it but because I have no choice in the matter but with people with attitudes like that disabled people don't stand a chance " "People with attitudes like that, disabled people don't stand a chance. "!!! Would you care to come and meet my 30 year old severely disabled son ? Then you'll see the chances he's got, because of us and the fact we don't sit and take it. | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Maybe I mis-read here, but are you essentially saying that if someone is discriminated against it's them with the problem and they should just get over it? No, a lot of people "think" they are being discriminated against and dare I say, play on it. We can all be discriminated against for one reason or another, we mustn't let it be so. I respect your (right to an) opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree." Thanks, but I know what I'm talking about | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Maybe I mis-read here, but are you essentially saying that if someone is discriminated against it's them with the problem and they should just get over it? No, a lot of people "think" they are being discriminated against and dare I say, play on it. We can all be discriminated against for one reason or another, we mustn't let it be so. I respect your (right to an) opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Thanks, but I know what I'm talking about" That attitude is ridiculous. Every situation, set of circumstances and obstacles/barriers faced will differ from case to case. It's positive that your family have been able to overcome those, but that hardly makes you the voice of the disabled....., | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry but utter rubbish. Disabled people as I've recently discovered are discriminated against in many many ways however not because I think anyone owes me anything or I let it but because I have no choice in the matter but with people with attitudes like that disabled people don't stand a chance "People with attitudes like that, disabled people don't stand a chance. "!!! Would you care to come and meet my 30 year old severely disabled son ? Then you'll see the chances he's got, because of us and the fact we don't sit and take it." I genuinely applaud you for advocating for your son but please do not think that makes you actually understand how a disabled person is discriminated against despite fighting it!!! | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Maybe I mis-read here, but are you essentially saying that if someone is discriminated against it's them with the problem and they should just get over it? No, a lot of people "think" they are being discriminated against and dare I say, play on it. We can all be discriminated against for one reason or another, we mustn't let it be so. I respect your (right to an) opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Thanks, but I know what I'm talking about That attitude is ridiculous. Every situation, set of circumstances and obstacles/barriers faced will differ from case to case. It's positive that your family have been able to overcome those, but that hardly makes you the voice of the disabled.....," Glad you think my attitude is ridiculous !!!!!!!!! I've had enough experience to know what I'm saying. | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Maybe I mis-read here, but are you essentially saying that if someone is discriminated against it's them with the problem and they should just get over it? No, a lot of people "think" they are being discriminated against and dare I say, play on it. We can all be discriminated against for one reason or another, we mustn't let it be so. I respect your (right to an) opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Thanks, but I know what I'm talking about That attitude is ridiculous. Every situation, set of circumstances and obstacles/barriers faced will differ from case to case. It's positive that your family have been able to overcome those, but that hardly makes you the voice of the disabled.....," | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry but utter rubbish. Disabled people as I've recently discovered are discriminated against in many many ways however not because I think anyone owes me anything or I let it but because I have no choice in the matter but with people with attitudes like that disabled people don't stand a chance "People with attitudes like that, disabled people don't stand a chance. "!!! Would you care to come and meet my 30 year old severely disabled son ? Then you'll see the chances he's got, because of us and the fact we don't sit and take it. I genuinely applaud you for advocating for your son but please do not think that makes you actually understand how a disabled person is discriminated against despite fighting it!!!" Oh I think it does | |||
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"Why shouldn't they be treated equally? They are human beings. Her" Fair comment like it don't look at them as anything just a person | |||
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"Why shouldn't they be treated equally? They are human beings. Her Fair comment like it don't look at them as anything just a person " Yep and that means that if someone with a disability goes to a club they are just as likely or not to get laid as the next person. | |||
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"I have an experience/anecdote which I wish to relate. Many years ago I arranged to meet a couple up in Yorkshire while I was up there on business. When I arrived I was greeted by a trully lovely lady. Very attractive, but she was in calipers and had been afflicted by MS or some other horrible illness I suppose. I hadn't known she was disabled but I was welcomed in and the situation explained. The MS hadn't affected her high sex drive and infact sex made her feel good for just a few fleeting moments in the horrible world that she was slowly sinking in to. She was getting worse and they knew that before long she would be wheel chair bound all the time. She was having a few last flings before that happened. We laughed as she even had a local fireman shagging her. ( I could see why LOL) Anyway I'd come a long way. The hubby said he would not stay all the time but would just make sure she was fine with me. She was a very strong independent, woman and battling her illness meant she went upstairs to got ready unaided. When she returned she was wearing gorgeous undies and looked lovely. She had taken off the calipers and requested hubs to carry her upstairs ready for her naughty fun. It's a long time ago and I don't really remember all that well what went on but they were great and I remember learning a few things about my Bi sexuality LOL. Remember fucking her hard from behind with hubs down below and that sort of thing. After a while he left us alone and I spent the night with her. In bed she completely forgot her disability and was my wanton slut for the night. I think she quite enjoyed it. The next day we woke up. She managed to get down stairs and a cup of hot tea awaited me before I bid my farewells. She was such a lovely caring person who thought of other people inspite of her own difficulties. I never got the chance to go back as life moved on but it definitely made an impression on me about the strength and determination of this remarkable woman to overcome her disabilities and enjoy life just a few more times before inevitably become completely dependent on her husband. Hope that's a nice story." It is | |||
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"Me personally, I won't go near someone disabled I'd be scared if I'm hurting her or something which won't be fun for me " Bizarre | |||
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"As a disabled guy (wheelchair user - spinal/spinal cord injury) and 1 half of a swinging couple we've never experienced any discrimination whilst swinging ... As for clubs , I cannot say as we've never been to one.. It certainly wouldn't bother me at all but Mrsxx says she'd feel uncomfortable at one , preferring the privacy of a bedroom or hotel room. So on that note I'd never ask or expect her to go along with something she's uncomfortable with.. It certainly doesn't stop us from getting many meet requests , more than we can handle thy with work family etc etc.... I think honesty is the best policy so wheelchair and disabled we mentioned in our profile . So people know right from the start. If some folk pass us by because of that , so be it , we won't lose sleep over it . I'm still the same guy I was before my accident , just use wheels instead of shoes to get around now .. ." Absolutely bang on | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something." Sorry to get straight to the point but that is utter nonsense | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry to get straight to the point but that is utter nonsense " Your opinion, your entitled to it. If you've lived it for the past 30 years, it would be a valid one. | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry to get straight to the point but that is utter nonsense Your opinion, your entitled to it. If you've lived it for the past 30 years, it would be a valid one." Does it not count if less than 30 or am I allowed a 'Valid' opinion if it's been nearly 20?? | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry to get straight to the point but that is utter nonsense Your opinion, your entitled to it. If you've lived it for the past 30 years, it would be a valid one. Does it not count if less than 30 or am I allowed a 'Valid' opinion if it's been nearly 20??" Yeah you are. I think most people are missing my point. But if you want to call it nonsense, fine | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry to get straight to the point but that is utter nonsense Your opinion, your entitled to it. If you've lived it for the past 30 years, it would be a valid one." But you haven't lived with it as your not disabled. You've lived alongside it and assume you know what it's like and sorry but you've no idea! | |||
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"I could be opening a can of worms here but I'm seeing the word "discrimination" thrown around a lot in this thread and I can't help but think, can you really apply that accusation when it comes to people's sexual preferences? I, for one, am quite glad that political correctness doesn't own my genitals or body and force me to sleep with people I'm not attracted to, regardless of physical/mental state. My stance is the same as one that was mentioned above whereby they will be just as lucky or unlucky in a club. - NOBODY is guaranteed a shag. If we are attracted to someone, we are attracted to someone. Disability wouldn't come into it but I don't deny that some people out there may write off a potential play-partner for those reasons alone, but that's their choice and what can you do? *Shrugs*. Can you really accuse people of discrimmination because something/someone doesn't get their juices flowing? It can't exactly be forced..." Very well put | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something. Sorry to get straight to the point but that is utter nonsense Your opinion, your entitled to it. If you've lived it for the past 30 years, it would be a valid one. But you haven't lived with it as your not disabled. You've lived alongside it and assume you know what it's like and sorry but you've no idea! " Don't tell me I've no idea. | |||
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"I could be opening a can of worms here but I'm seeing the word "discrimination" thrown around a lot in this thread and I can't help but think, can you really apply that accusation when it comes to people's sexual preferences? I, for one, am quite glad that political correctness doesn't own my genitals or body and force me to sleep with people I'm not attracted to, regardless of physical/mental state. My stance is the same as one that was mentioned above whereby they will be just as lucky or unlucky in a club. - NOBODY is guaranteed a shag. If we are attracted to someone, we are attracted to someone. Disability wouldn't come into it but I don't deny that some people out there may write off a potential play-partner for those reasons alone, but that's their choice and what can you do? *Shrugs*. Can you really accuse people of discrimmination because something/someone doesn't get their juices flowing? It can't exactly be forced..." Hallelujah | |||
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"We're both disabled. Female has a very rare bone deformity in her lower arms/wrists that she's had to deal with her whole life and gives her a lot of pain and has medically been classed as losing the use of both of her arms. Male of the couple walks with a stick due to bone cancer at age 20 and the resultant operation to save his leg. Plus he's no depth perception! Neither of us are allowed to drive due to our conditions so we're part of the bus pass brigade as people often call us. We don't feel our disabilities define us at all as people. We might have a few more obstacles in certain things or we might find some things a bit more difficult but we don't let any of that stop us having fun! We can understand those who say some people "play" on their disability as this does happen and we know examples in our vanilla lives. I think the issue here is that everyone has had very different experiences with disabilities. The couple with the 30year old son have experienced it through him, the couple with the guy in the wheel chair have experienced it their own way, as have we. There will be as many answers to this question as their are people on here with disabilities. We've all got very different experiences so we should all acknowledge and respect that but what we shouldn't do is try and say that some peoples views and experiences are somehow more valid than others. We definitely don't want Blue Badges at dawn!" very well put | |||
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"We're both disabled. Female has a very rare bone deformity in her lower arms/wrists that she's had to deal with her whole life and gives her a lot of pain and has medically been classed as losing the use of both of her arms. Male of the couple walks with a stick due to bone cancer at age 20 and the resultant operation to save his leg. Plus he's no depth perception! Neither of us are allowed to drive due to our conditions so we're part of the bus pass brigade as people often call us. We don't feel our disabilities define us at all as people. We might have a few more obstacles in certain things or we might find some things a bit more difficult but we don't let any of that stop us having fun! We can understand those who say some people "play" on their disability as this does happen and we know examples in our vanilla lives. I think the issue here is that everyone has had very different experiences with disabilities. The couple with the 30year old son have experienced it through him, the couple with the guy in the wheel chair have experienced it their own way, as have we. There will be as many answers to this question as their are people on here with disabilities. We've all got very different experiences so we should all acknowledge and respect that but what we shouldn't do is try and say that some peoples views and experiences are somehow more valid than others. We definitely don't want Blue Badges at dawn! very well put " | |||
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"We're both disabled. Female has a very rare bone deformity in her lower arms/wrists that she's had to deal with her whole life and gives her a lot of pain and has medically been classed as losing the use of both of her arms. Male of the couple walks with a stick due to bone cancer at age 20 and the resultant operation to save his leg. Plus he's no depth perception! Neither of us are allowed to drive due to our conditions so we're part of the bus pass brigade as people often call us. We don't feel our disabilities define us at all as people. We might have a few more obstacles in certain things or we might find some things a bit more difficult but we don't let any of that stop us having fun! We can understand those who say some people "play" on their disability as this does happen and we know examples in our vanilla lives. I think the issue here is that everyone has had very different experiences with disabilities. The couple with the 30year old son have experienced it through him, the couple with the guy in the wheel chair have experienced it their own way, as have we. There will be as many answers to this question as their are people on here with disabilities. We've all got very different experiences so we should all acknowledge and respect that but what we shouldn't do is try and say that some peoples views and experiences are somehow more valid than others. We definitely don't want Blue Badges at dawn!" | |||
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"Me personally, I won't go near someone disabled I'd be scared if I'm hurting her or something which won't be fun for me communication..????" | |||
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"I asked the question because while you are all trying to be PC, which I kind of suspected you would, the simple fact is that disabled people face discrimination on a daily basis. Just ask any disabled organisation. So I feel it was valid to ask of they experience it in the swinging world. Disabled people are only discriminated against, if they let it be and think everyone owes them something." Bullshit!! | |||
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