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"They are talking rubbish. It's down to the woman, not the man. " No, both | |||
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"They are talking rubbish. It's down to the woman, not the man. No, both" Great when it happens | |||
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"They are talking rubbish. It's down to the woman, not the man. No, both" If she doesn't want to, it will never happen. | |||
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"I imagine it's much like the men who guarantee to make you squirt...The quality of the experience of what they do varies immensely... " I hate when guys "guarantee" that they will make you do this and that. No one can guarantee anything as each sexual partner is different, what works with one might not work with others. For example I don't squirt or cum more then once on a meet and the amount of guys that say "you've just never been with an experienced/real man". Like hell I haven't, I think when a guy guarantees anything it's a very very arrogant and unsexy statement. | |||
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"Let's just put it this way sometimes even simple tasks like counting orgasms become impossible " | |||
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"Yes and I would say its down to both too. I have to be comfortable and tuned into someone to let myself go " I agree its the woman who has to feel very attracted to the other person, and let herself go fully, only then can you achieve the multiple one after another never ending orgasm...just my observation | |||
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"Yes and I would say its down to both too. I have to be comfortable and tuned into someone to let myself go " same here, if I don't feel any chemistry then it wont happen, no matter how good his technique may be. | |||
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"My oh seems to manage very well with giving me multiple orgasms..and im not complaining. They do get very intense so much so I suffered for a while with headaches due to the intensity of the orgasms. " "My oh seems to manage very well with giving me multiple orgasms..and im not complaining. They do get very intense so much so I suffered for a while with headaches due to the intensity of the orgasms. " That could well be to do with a 'Highered Blood pressure' from the exhilaration of multiple orgasms Work checking out with GP | |||
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"I imagine it's much like the men who guarantee to make you squirt...The quality of the experience of what they do varies immensely... I hate when guys "guarantee" that they will make you do this and that. No one can guarantee anything as each sexual partner is different, what works with one might not work with others. For example I don't squirt or cum more then once on a meet and the amount of guys that say "you've just never been with an experienced/real man". Like hell I haven't, I think when a guy guarantees anything it's a very very arrogant and unsexy statement." As soon as anyone starts saying stuff like that I stop talking to them. | |||
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"When you say multiples how long in between each one? Is it literally one after the other?" yep near as one continual orgasm beautiful sight | |||
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"When you say multiples how long in between each one? Is it literally one after the other?" for me yes one after another mostly | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!!" Every Lady is different not all can have one let alone multiple. The men that say they can give multiple are just telling you ladies what you want to hear to get in your bed | |||
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"They are talking rubbish. It's down to the woman, not the man. No, both If she doesn't want to, it will never happen. " Absolutely | |||
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"One would be good Same here as never had one " That is sad | |||
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"Yes and I would say its down to both too. I have to be comfortable and tuned into someone to let myself go same here, if I don't feel any chemistry then it wont happen, no matter how good his technique may be. " Yep got yo agree | |||
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"One would be good Same here as never had one " you havnt met the right man then maybe. | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play" Wow Sounds like she wouldn't be missing out on much with that attitude | |||
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"My oh seems to manage very well with giving me multiple orgasms..and im not complaining. They do get very intense so much so I suffered for a while with headaches due to the intensity of the orgasms. " Vamp has this problem with headaches....she has had such intense orgasms sometimes, and we have had to end the meet early, just so she can get home, and recover....lol | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play Wow Sounds like she wouldn't be missing out on much with that attitude" Tad personal and prejudgemental I'm surprised at you ? I enjoy a ladies orgasm, I enjoy her having more than one ? If a woman says she has never cum I'm not going to change that. Rightly or wrongly I cannot change the subtle deflated feeling I would have if she did not orgasm This is not saying I can't handle said inevitable but as I have a choice I feel it a reasonable preference to choose orgasmic women over non orgasmic . The physical and psychological pleasure I derive from a woman's orgasm is intense . If i had said I only meet black women would you have smeared my sexual abilities ? | |||
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"One would be good Same here as never had one you havnt met the right man then maybe." Nope it's a two way thing but more that I don't relax and too scared to let go | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play Wow Sounds like she wouldn't be missing out on much with that attitude Tad personal and prejudgemental I'm surprised at you ? I enjoy a ladies orgasm, I enjoy her having more than one ? If a woman says she has never cum I'm not going to change that. Rightly or wrongly I cannot change the subtle deflated feeling I would have if she did not orgasm This is not saying I can't handle said inevitable but as I have a choice I feel it a reasonable preference to choose orgasmic women over non orgasmic . The physical and psychological pleasure I derive from a woman's orgasm is intense . If i had said I only meet black women would you have smeared my sexual abilities ? " That's a shame as would love to meet you but given the above even a social meet would be pointless | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!!" no man on here who has never met you can guarantee you anything how can someone who knows nothing about your body possibly make such an offer | |||
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"the only thing i will guarantee is my orgasm lol him" even if i have to finish myself off | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play Wow Sounds like she wouldn't be missing out on much with that attitude Tad personal and prejudgemental I'm surprised at you ? I enjoy a ladies orgasm, I enjoy her having more than one ? If a woman says she has never cum I'm not going to change that. Rightly or wrongly I cannot change the subtle deflated feeling I would have if she did not orgasm This is not saying I can't handle said inevitable but as I have a choice I feel it a reasonable preference to choose orgasmic women over non orgasmic . The physical and psychological pleasure I derive from a woman's orgasm is intense . If i had said I only meet black women would you have smeared my sexual abilities ? " I'm sure you have amazing sexual abilities. It just sounded like you were a bit result driven rather than just enjoying the journey. The idea of being with someone who had such strong opinions on whether I would orgasm or not... and whether they could be bothered with me depending upon how I answered that... well... lets just say we look at this issue very differently For me swinging opens up a whole chocolate box of possibilities... some of which involve orgasms... some of which don't. I like to try and make my sexual partner orgasm. But if they don't I'm more than happy just to enjoy whatever fun and games we do get up to... and I'm sure they'd feel the same | |||
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"the only thing i will guarantee is my orgasm lol him even if i have to finish myself off " well you do like to be independant lol | |||
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"My oh seems to manage very well with giving me multiple orgasms..and im not complaining. They do get very intense so much so I suffered for a while with headaches due to the intensity of the orgasms. " I can with my rabbit and get the brain freeze syndrome Not through intercourse though | |||
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"I imagine it's much like the men who guarantee to make you squirt...The quality of the experience of what they do varies immensely... I hate when guys "guarantee" that they will make you do this and that. No one can guarantee anything as each sexual partner is different, what works with one might not work with others. For example I don't squirt or cum more then once on a meet and the amount of guys that say "you've just never been with an experienced/real man". Like hell I haven't, I think when a guy guarantees anything it's a very very arrogant and unsexy statement." Nothing worse than being told .. Yea but you haven't had ME . . then he turns out to be as ham fisted as the rest of em | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play Wow Sounds like she wouldn't be missing out on much with that attitude Tad personal and prejudgemental I'm surprised at you ? I enjoy a ladies orgasm, I enjoy her having more than one ? If a woman says she has never cum I'm not going to change that. Rightly or wrongly I cannot change the subtle deflated feeling I would have if she did not orgasm This is not saying I can't handle said inevitable but as I have a choice I feel it a reasonable preference to choose orgasmic women over non orgasmic . The physical and psychological pleasure I derive from a woman's orgasm is intense . If i had said I only meet black women would you have smeared my sexual abilities ? I'm sure you have amazing sexual abilities. It just sounded like you were a bit result driven rather than just enjoying the journey. The idea of being with someone who had such strong opinions on whether I would orgasm or not... and whether they could be bothered with me depending upon how I answered that... well... lets just say we look at this issue very differently For me swinging opens up a whole chocolate box of possibilities... some of which involve orgasms... some of which don't. I like to try and make my sexual partner orgasm. But if they don't I'm more than happy just to enjoy whatever fun and games we do get up to... and I'm sure they'd feel the same " I'm glad you enjoy your chocolate box , just as I enjoy mine . | |||
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"All i say is. She has to trust you. Be able to relax, unwind and let herself go. If she doesn't do that. No matter how hard you try. You're not going to do fuck all. Just use her body as a guide and you will see. ...now, that i've told my secret. Anyone up for a meet? " I tell you what Pops, when I see your profile pic I'm halfway there already . . beautiful mouth mmm mmm mmm | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play" bloody hell you're going to be popular then | |||
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"I really don't think i could have this, i get so sensitive after i have cum i really don't think i could let a guy carry on, i need a bit of a break to calm down between orgasms " That's how I am. Right after orgasm I'm unbelievably sensitive, so much so I can literally jump if he touches me! I do have a magic wand but never carried on using it after I've orgasmed....maybe I shouldn't turn it off right away, but again, I'm very sensitive. I'd really really like to experience multiples as it does sound like heaven. | |||
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"I really don't think i could have this, i get so sensitive after i have cum i really don't think i could let a guy carry on, i need a bit of a break to calm down between orgasms That's how I am. Right after orgasm I'm unbelievably sensitive, so much so I can literally jump if he touches me! I do have a magic wand but never carried on using it after I've orgasmed....maybe I shouldn't turn it off right away, but again, I'm very sensitive. I'd really really like to experience multiples as it does sound like heaven. " Took us some practice. But once through that stage omg mind blowing. Can't do it on my own though as I tend to lose control, so assistance is greatly appreciated | |||
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"Yes and I would say its down to both too. I have to be comfortable and tuned into someone to let myself go " best sex ever | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play bloody hell you're going to be popular then " Sometimes I am sometimes I'm not ? | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play Wow Sounds like she wouldn't be missing out on much with that attitude Tad personal and prejudgemental I'm surprised at you ? I enjoy a ladies orgasm, I enjoy her having more than one ? If a woman says she has never cum I'm not going to change that. Rightly or wrongly I cannot change the subtle deflated feeling I would have if she did not orgasm This is not saying I can't handle said inevitable but as I have a choice I feel it a reasonable preference to choose orgasmic women over non orgasmic . The physical and psychological pleasure I derive from a woman's orgasm is intense . If i had said I only meet black women would you have smeared my sexual abilities ? I'm sure you have amazing sexual abilities. It just sounded like you were a bit result driven rather than just enjoying the journey. The idea of being with someone who had such strong opinions on whether I would orgasm or not... and whether they could be bothered with me depending upon how I answered that... well... lets just say we look at this issue very differently For me swinging opens up a whole chocolate box of possibilities... some of which involve orgasms... some of which don't. I like to try and make my sexual partner orgasm. But if they don't I'm more than happy just to enjoy whatever fun and games we do get up to... and I'm sure they'd feel the same " Look up taoism I understand and advocate the journey x however we all have a route choice and subjectively some routes are more enjoyable.its bizarre you feel because I enjoy a woman's insides pulsating over me and the depth of strength when squeezed by her arms that somehow I miss out on other pleasurable games ? Orgasmic women also enjoy diverse fun and games x If sleeping with every woman on the site was my game and I had to play daily my selection process might differ , however I'm here for a small number of people who match my preference and at this moment if I had the choice between two lovely ladies and one was orgasmic and one not sorry it's not bad form to choose my preference . I may add that I don't usually ask , I like surprises sometimes however if I hear perhaps in a forum a lady is not orgasmic then I'm not as inclined to pursue xx | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play" The person is what interests me... their story, their joy, their sensual engagement, their play. Your statement suggests that, even if there is sexual attraction there, if a woman tells you she doesn't orgasm... you will walk away i.e. that the orgasm is more important than the person. I just feel that's a bit unsexy, let alone un-romantic. I trust you are not actually like that... but that's how your blunt words came across | |||
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"If a lady informs me she can't orgasm I would normally not play The person is what interests me... their story, their joy, their sensual engagement, their play. Your statement suggests that, even if there is sexual attraction there, if a woman tells you she doesn't orgasm... you will walk away i.e. that the orgasm is more important than the person. I just feel that's a bit unsexy, let alone un-romantic. I trust you are not actually like that... but that's how your blunt words came across " Just flip this round and for one moment imagine I'm a lady who has choices ? Not seen you criticise ladies who prefer dark men or big cock or men of certain age or height ?,I meet many people who interest me orgasmic women are interesting too x | |||
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"Yes you can. Listening to a woman helps." "Pick your socks up!" "What time do you call this?!" "No you can't go out with your mates, stay in and watch this romantic movie with me." "Put the seat down!" | |||
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"Yes you can. Listening to a woman helps. "Pick your socks up!" "What time do you call this?!" "No you can't go out with your mates, stay in and watch this romantic movie with me." "Put the seat down!" " what a bloke hears "what socks?" "anything you want it wont answer back" "go out with your mates you spent enough time with me today" (ok i agree this one) "put the seat down" | |||
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"Yes you can. Listening to a woman helps. "Pick your socks up!" "What time do you call this?!" "No you can't go out with your mates, stay in and watch this romantic movie with me." "Put the seat down!" what a bloke hears "what socks?" "anything you want it wont answer back" "go out with your mates you spent enough time with me today" (ok i agree this one) "put the seat down"" | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!!" You realise if we divulge our secrets, there will be more competition now dont ya! A multiple is one long orgasm that continues, both peaking and going back to a sizzle, peaks and sizzles think the longest I have sustained with it is about 20 mins maybe half hour - 40mins.. You loose track of time really. Essentially for the guy - it is to do with stamina and technique. | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!! You realise if we divulge our secrets, there will be more competition now dont ya! A multiple is one long orgasm that continues, both peaking and going back to a sizzle, peaks and sizzles think the longest I have sustained with it is about 20 mins maybe half hour - 40mins.. You loose track of time really. Essentially for the guy - it is to do with stamina and technique. " Omg has that really happened? I want that, I want that feeling one day, before I get too old to even know what an orgasm is.... | |||
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"I (mrs) tend to have very intense orgasms with Mr. No other man has ever brought me to tears with an orgasm like he does. But last night was the multiple of a lifetime. Our new Lelo wand and him doing magical things to me and I didn't think it was ever going to stop. Tears and instant headache.....but by god, well worth it!! Slept like a baby. Lol" I love lelo... | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!!" Yes, women CAN have multiples.. but as with any good dance, it takes two to tango. Once you're dance steps are in sync and you're locked in a frenzy of electricity meeting chemistry, sparks (and fireworks) really do fly. | |||
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"I imagine it's much like the men who guarantee to make you squirt...The quality of the experience of what they do varies immensely... I hate when guys "guarantee" that they will make you do this and that. No one can guarantee anything as each sexual partner is different, what works with one might not work with others. For example I don't squirt or cum more then once on a meet and the amount of guys that say "you've just never been with an experienced/real man". Like hell I haven't, I think when a guy guarantees anything it's a very very arrogant and unsexy statement." | |||
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"i have multiple orgasms. i cant count them. tjey sre one ontop of the other. i cum in many different ways. some men just start to bring me up n then stop. why! lol u need to keep playing the whole body to shake and spasm lol" Are you not just having one really long one. My one orgasm can last ages. With each one it takes a build up then bam!!! The way you describe it, there is no build up to each one . This is where I get confused. So is there a build up to the first one and then the next ones after don't do the same and happen in an instant or is your first one just as quick and you come the instant you are touched. Just wondering because I see a lot of women say this. | |||
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"Depends mostly on the lady. I remember a while ago i thought i was doing well. The lady in question was moaning and gasping for hours....it was only afterwards i realised she was asthmatic." | |||
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"In my experience it is about both the giver and reciever. The woman has to be relaxed, happy and ready. The giver needs to be responsive, watching and responding to her body and her response to what they are doing. I would never be arrogant enough to guarantee I can give a woman multiple orgasms and it definately hasnt always happened. However it has happened on many occasions especially when fingering or licking them sometimes leading to when I have penetrated them too. In my mind its about responding to each other." This is the point, all women are different and it has very little to do with man. So to the Op, enjoy yourself, if it's going to happen it will, focus on being with people that you can relax andvhavevfun with and you never know... Oh and avoid like the plague anyone who says "guaranteed" it is the universal meaning if "haven't got a clue". D | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!! You realise if we divulge our secrets, there will be more competition now dont ya! A multiple is one long orgasm that continues, both peaking and going back to a sizzle, peaks and sizzles. Think the longest I have sustained with it is about 20 mins maybe half hour - 40mins.. You loose track of time really. Essentially for the guy - it is to do with stamina and technique. Omg has that really happened? I want that, I want that feeling one day, before I get too old to even know what an orgasm is...." age is nothing to do with it. If anything you are less concerned with what you are doing/looking like, and more relaxed about your own body. As others have said - there are no guarantees with multiples at all - and it really does depend on the guy lasting, I would say. | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!!" Yep, im sure loads of blokes can do it but I have only given multiples orally...but apparently im realy good at it | |||
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"i have multiple orgasms. i cant count them. tjey sre one ontop of the other. i cum in many different ways. some men just start to bring me up n then stop. why! lol u need to keep playing the whole body to shake and spasm lol Are you not just having one really long one. My one orgasm can last ages. With each one it takes a build up then bam!!! The way you describe it, there is no build up to each one . This is where I get confused. So is there a build up to the first one and then the next ones after don't do the same and happen in an instant or is your first one just as quick and you come the instant you are touched. Just wondering because I see a lot of women say this." i have a build up cum then the feeling subsides only to go up once more . this can carry on over and over again. it doesnt happen straight away it with prolonged play generally. | |||
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"I quite often get 3-5 in one session when the mister is working his magic! First one builds me up and then the rest just keep on coming as I'm already so sensitive and turned on. Usually feel the next one when we do a different position though. It's amazing, leaves me quivering inside! " Now I'm confused. Is that just having 'another' orgasm? I can have lots but have a minute or so rest in between. x | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!!" A strategically placed Magic Wand while we are having sex does the trick for my Wife | |||
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"They may be separate but I still feel the previous one in my system by the time the next one comes so with each one they get stronger and stronger " | |||
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"I (mrs) tend to have very intense orgasms with Mr. No other man has ever brought me to tears with an orgasm like he does. But last night was the multiple of a lifetime. Our new Lelo wand and him doing magical things to me and I didn't think it was ever going to stop. Tears and instant headache.....but by god, well worth it!! Slept like a baby. Lol I love lelo... " | |||
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"Miss Kinkyboots, nothing is for certain, but there's a lot more than just technique. Sadly I see you're not taking new friends, but don't lose hope. The starting point is beyond the physical. Stimulate the mind and the body will follow." Not losing hope just don't see it as a big deal, yes it would nice to experience one but millions of women die without experiencing one and if I'm one of those, so be it | |||
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"One would be good Same here as never had one " But then again miss kinky....you did leave my bed rather wet! | |||
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"Yes you can. Listening to a woman helps. "Pick your socks up!" "What time do you call this?!" "No you can't go out with your mates, stay in and watch this romantic movie with me." "Put the seat down!" what a bloke hears "what socks?" "anything you want it wont answer back" "go out with your mates you spent enough time with me today" (ok i agree this one) "put the seat down" " Never heard either after being told how good my tongue is, and not just for talking. | |||
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"One would be good Same here as never had one But then again miss kinky....you did leave my bed rather wet!" However that isn't an orgasm is it | |||
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"When men say they can give multiple orgasms, even guarantee them, I always wonder if that's true. Men: if true, how do you do it? Women: have you experienced multiples? I guess you could say I've experienced 2 or 3 in one session but not so close together to call them multiples. I just love the idea of one after the other in quick succession....how intense that would be!!" Trick is to tease with the tongue, bringing her near then backing off. After a few times like this she may find it harder and harder to peak BUT a combination of humming, flicking and a crooked finger inside on the right spot will do it. Then a deep, french kiss will keep you orgasming constantly till I relent | |||
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"Miss Kinkyboots, nothing is for certain, but there's a lot more than just technique. Sadly I see you're not taking new friends, but don't lose hope. The starting point is beyond the physical. Stimulate the mind and the body will follow. Not losing hope just don't see it as a big deal, yes it would nice to experience one but millions of women die without experiencing one and if I'm one of those, so be it" I really find it hard to believe that some girls never experienced one. Can this be true? | |||
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"One would be good Same here as never had one But then again miss kinky....you did leave my bed rather wet! However that isn't an orgasm is it " | |||
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"Miss Kinkyboots, nothing is for certain, but there's a lot more than just technique. Sadly I see you're not taking new friends, but don't lose hope. The starting point is beyond the physical. Stimulate the mind and the body will follow. Not losing hope just don't see it as a big deal, yes it would nice to experience one but millions of women die without experiencing one and if I'm one of those, so be it I really find it hard to believe that some girls never experienced one. Can this be true?" Yes it is and I can't believe you are that naive!! What about women who have no interest in sex? Nuns? Women who's sole interest for sex is children? Disabled women maybe? Women who find it hard to relax and let go? | |||
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"They are talking rubbish. It's down to the woman, not the man. " I've been seeing a woman for a while now and apparently I'm the first guy in her 36 years to give her multiple orgasms guaranteed, but don't know how lol just use my normal tongue finger cock combos lol | |||
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"I find it a tad insulting to say having multiples comes down to a combination of chemistry between the couple and technique - the chemistry between me and my man is second to none and his technique is amazing... I orgasm HARD every time. But I've never had a multiple. I don't miss what I've never had - one single, mind-blowing orgasm which lasts for minutes is quite enough for me " You're being over-sensitive. Women orgasm differently and enjoy different orgasms. I don't particularly like hard orgasms. I can have them with almost anyone but that doesn't mean I can only have multiple orgasms with someone special. It's just a different dynamic | |||
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"I find it a tad insulting to say having multiples comes down to a combination of chemistry between the couple and technique - the chemistry between me and my man is second to none and his technique is amazing... I orgasm HARD every time. But I've never had a multiple. I don't miss what I've never had - one single, mind-blowing orgasm which lasts for minutes is quite enough for me You're being over-sensitive. Women orgasm differently and enjoy different orgasms. I don't particularly like hard orgasms. I can have them with almost anyone but that doesn't mean I can only have multiple orgasms with someone special. It's just a different dynamic " I you BadNanna. | |||
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"My orgasms are so intense I can't bear to be touched in that area for a short while , so no multiple orgasms for me " How it is for me | |||
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"They are talking rubbish. It's down to the woman, not the man. No, both If she doesn't want to, it will never happen. " agree 100% | |||
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