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"OH brilliant,no wonder we think we are wasting our time on here!" well what exactly is the problem? there are ways and means of ing out the ones that are less than genuine | |||
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"OH brilliant,no wonder we think we are wasting our time on here!" No-one is forcing you to stay, it's quite easy to delete your profile. Go to: My Account / Delete Profile .... Members for 5 weeks and their 'wasting their time' Jeeeeeeeez | |||
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"The ratio is 99.6 wasters to 1 genuine person. Personally I wouldnt bother with trying to meet and would just try clubs instead. Wonder if this thread will get over 100 replies like the single guy moaning did" I don't think it's quite that high! You can't class people who don't want to meet you as timewasters! We have had a lot of good meets from here and continue to do so! Z | |||
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"lol at the odds given out , I wonder who did the research !! We have been on here a while now, and not met with any timewasters, mainly because we any talkers rather than doers out at the very beginning....so we waste no time at all " I sat on the fence and said 50/50 | |||
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"What sort of ratio is expected on site between time wasters and gen people? What are the odds of a whole string of time wasters? " Depends... Some people think a timewaster is someone who wont reply to emails or i was called a timewaster and a fake before for turning a guy down,so i would imagine that would be a high figure or others including ourselves think a timewaster is someone who doesnt show.. Luckily we have only had a couple of timewasters over the years. | |||
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"lol at the odds given out , I wonder who did the research !! We have been on here a while now, and not met with any timewasters, mainly because we any talkers rather than doers out at the very beginning....so we waste no time at all I sat on the fence and said 50/50 " Better than 1000-1 lol | |||
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"in our experience, the percentage of timewasters are quite high, weve had 3 meets arranged in the last month and all 3 have let us down, we think all timewasters should be shot lol " here here! | |||
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"lol at the odds given out , I wonder who did the research !! We have been on here a while now, and not met with any timewasters, mainly because we any talkers rather than doers out at the very beginning....so we waste no time at all " Yes, that's how I do it too: hardly rocket science is it?!! | |||
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"Sorry guys but the biggest time wasters are single guy's, you can normally pick them out via thier mating call.... Do you have MSN? This is when I end all contact, what they mean is "can I ask silly questions like"do you have panties on" whilst I have a wank"!They have no intention of meeting so why do they bother?" do you have panties on lol | |||
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"lol at the odds given out , I wonder who did the research !! We have been on here a while now, and not met with any timewasters, mainly because we any talkers rather than doers out at the very beginning....so we waste no time at all I sat on the fence and said 50/50 Better than 1000-1 lol" Or even more odd "The ratio is 99.6 wasters to 1 genuine person" What's .6 of a person? | |||
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"Well going by the amount of posts you read on here moaning about timewasters, the majority of folks must be genuine, why don't all the people who moan about timewasters just meet each other, problem solved " marvellous idea though been suggested already | |||
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""if the profile has been on for more than 3 or 4 months and they havent had a meet - there's a pretty good chance they never will". Mmmmm not sure about this one! " Neither are we - we signed up a while ago (nearly a year) but promptly took a break from swinging. We returned the other day, meaning our profile was technically a year old and unverified, despite being as genuine as the sky above ^^ There's no set rules for identifying timewasters; you just have to follow common sense rules, like asking for telephone calls/webcam/face pics and following your instinct. | |||
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" What's .6 of a person? " Joe Pasquale | |||
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" What's .6 of a person? Joe Pasquale " Funny, I was thinking more Harry Corbett! | |||
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""if the profile has been on for more than 3 or 4 months and they havent had a meet - there's a pretty good chance they never will". Mmmmm not sure about this one! " It's a general rule of thumb nothing more - there will be exceptions naturally. But considering the scenario that you mentioned with people swinging on multiple sites, there's usually at least someone else on both sites who can leave a "I know this person from another site" type of verification. So in the main, my point still stands. | |||
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""if the profile has been on for more than 3 or 4 months and they havent had a meet - there's a pretty good chance they never will". Mmmmm not sure about this one! It's a general rule of thumb nothing more - there will be exceptions naturally. But considering the scenario that you mentioned with people swinging on multiple sites, there's usually at least someone else on both sites who can leave a "I know this person from another site" type of verification. So in the main, my point still stands. " Still totally disagree with your 3-4 months thingy! All sorts of reasons why it can take that long and they might wait for 3-4 months then get loads of meets from then on - who are you or anyone, in fact, to say what is right or wrong for the length of time before a first meet? Just my tuppence worth as always! | |||
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" Still totally disagree with your 3-4 months thingy! All sorts of reasons why it can take that long and they might wait for 3-4 months then get loads of meets from then on - who are you or anyone, in fact, to say what is right or wrong for the length of time before a first meet? Just my tuppence worth as always! " I'm just going by my experience on this site, the genuine single women and couples (its different for some single guys admittedly as it can sometimes take them longer to establish themselves), more often than not are able to find someone they find suitable to meet within the first month, either that or they leave soon after. A large proportion of the rest (but by no means all - I completely accept that for a minority of the rest there are good reasons why they havent done anything) just sit on unverified profiles with an ever growing friends list seemingly forever. The simple fact is that if someone has been on here for a relatively long period of time and havent met or been verified, the odds of them never meeting are dramatically increased - end of. | |||
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"Sorry guys but the biggest time wasters are single guy's, you can normally pick them out via thier mating call.... Do you have MSN? This is when I end all contact, what they mean is "can I ask silly questions like"do you have panties on" whilst I have a wank"!They have no intention of meeting so why do they bother?" i havent had a problem with singel Guys on here being Timewasters only with singel Woman and Couples | |||
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""if the profile has been on for more than 3 or 4 months and they havent had a meet - there's a pretty good chance they never will". Mmmmm not sure about this one! Neither are we - we signed up a while ago (nearly a year) but promptly took a break from swinging. We returned the other day, meaning our profile was technically a year old and unverified, despite being as genuine as the sky above ^^ There's no set rules for identifying timewasters; you just have to follow common sense rules, like asking for telephone calls/webcam/face pics and following your instinct." Phone calls are the easiest but the hardest to get! I will give my number out and accept witheld calls at first but some people make out like iv asked them to lend me a 100quid wen ive asked for a fone call!! | |||
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""if the profile has been on for more than 3 or 4 months and they havent had a meet - there's a pretty good chance they never will". Mmmmm not sure about this one! Neither are we - we signed up a while ago (nearly a year) but promptly took a break from swinging. We returned the other day, meaning our profile was technically a year old and unverified, despite being as genuine as the sky above ^^ There's no set rules for identifying timewasters; you just have to follow common sense rules, like asking for telephone calls/webcam/face pics and following your instinct. Phone calls are the easiest but the hardest to get! I will give my number out and accept witheld calls at first but some people make out like iv asked them to lend me a 100quid wen ive asked for a fone call!! " You have to ask yourself then if they are genuine... We always insist on a quick phone call if people cant speak on phone then we dont agree to meet them. Also dont agree that if someone has been on here 3 or 4 months then they are not genuine if they not been verified,only last weekend we met a lovely guy who has been on here 7months without being verified. | |||
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"What sort of ratio is expected on site between time wasters and gen people? What are the odds of a whole string of time wasters? " | |||
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"If you've made a date with a couple, and the ladies have spoken on the phone (essential) then there's a 90% chance they will show up. If it's single guys you're after, for a gangbang or bukkake party, and you have exchanged direct email with them, then about 40% will actually show up. Many single guys are single for very good reasons (e.g. total incompetence). Janet & Nick What sort of ratio is expected on site between time wasters and gen people? What are the odds of a whole string of time wasters? " We have had several gangbangs and meet guys and we have not had any problems with them,they have all been lovely guys | |||
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"i would say about 1000-1 are time wasters" lol dont be silly, i get more genuine people than time wasters, most of the guys do just want to sit and wank over women in the chat room, i grant you that but when it gets to the point of swapping phone numbers etc i say only 1 in 10 of the people i talk to turn out to be a time waster, so in my experience 90% of the people have been genuine | |||
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" Also dont agree that if someone has been on here 3 or 4 months then they are not genuine if they not been verified,only last weekend we met a lovely guy who has been on here 7months without being verified." You've missed the context and nuance. we aren't talking about single guys at all (altho if I were a couple I would suspect that a guy who takes 7 months to get a meet might not be the pick of the litter perhaps). what I said was the chances of someone (specifically referring to single ladies - but included couples) being genuine if they havent had a single verification after having been here 3-4 months are drastically reduced. And it is unequivocally true - there are enough opportunities i.e. socials, parties, club meets, web camming, or phone calls, or photo verification, and of course private meets, for someone to get at least some sort of verification -and enough people willing to give one - so there has to be an VERY good reason for them not to have been over a 3-4 month time period. That reason MIGHT be a genuine one but the chances get slimmer as time passes as sites like this have a culture of people trying to prove their validity - not hide it - and its not as if there's a lack of opportunity either. so you can quote a few exceptions, but it doesnt make them meaningful in the bigger picture. | |||
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" Also dont agree that if someone has been on here 3 or 4 months then they are not genuine if they not been verified,only last weekend we met a lovely guy who has been on here 7months without being verified. You've missed the context and nuance. we aren't talking about single guys at all (altho if I were a couple I would suspect that a guy who takes 7 months to get a meet might not be the pick of the litter perhaps). what I said was the chances of someone (specifically referring to single ladies - but included couples) being genuine if they havent had a single verification after having been here 3-4 months are drastically reduced. And it is unequivocally true - there are enough opportunities i.e. socials, parties, club meets, web camming, or phone calls, or photo verification, and of course private meets, for someone to get at least some sort of verification -and enough people willing to give one - so there has to be an VERY good reason for them not to have been over a 3-4 month time period. That reason MIGHT be a genuine one but the chances get slimmer as time passes as sites like this have a culture of people trying to prove their validity - not hide it - and its not as if there's a lack of opportunity either. so you can quote a few exceptions, but it doesnt make them meaningful in the bigger picture." Still disagree with your points and it isn't "end of" as you put it in your earlier reply. I known of couples as well as single females and males who haven't arranged meets for a few months for all sorts of reasons and then went on to have lots more meets than most get! Not everyone just wants to meet to get verified, they might be more selective in their meets and not be just desperate for fun! You might see people without meet verifications as less genuine but that is just your own opinion, whereas I see it different and again that is just my opinion which won't change. I leave folk to run their profile, meets, chat, etc as they see fit seeing as it is their own choice after all! | |||
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" so are you saying that the chances of a and an "old" non verified profile being genuine are exactly the same as those of a verified profile of the same age?" Yeah they can be, just because you believe they can't it doesn't mean it's true Why are you so hung up on proving whether or not people are genuine? If you think they aren't then move onto profiles that you "think" are genuine, it's not rocket science really! Again, as always, just my tuppence worth! | |||
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" Yeah they can be, just because you believe they can't it doesn't mean it's true " you evaded answering the question directly - the issue isnt whether they might or can be genuine, the question is which one is more likely - and the answer to that is so obvious its clear why you are trying to wriggle so much. " Why are you so hung up on proving whether or not people are genuine? If you think they aren't then move onto profiles that you "think" are genuine, it's not rocket science really! " I'm not hung up about it - the OP was concerned about timewasters and fake profiles, and I offered some reasonably reliable estimations by which you can appraise the validity of a profile - when others for whatever reason decided to muddy the waters of a very simple, straightforward - and above all correct position - and didnt really bother to read or understand what it said, I merely clarified it for the hard of thinking. | |||
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"Agree with _b430,when i first joined the site must be nearly 4 years ago as a single fem i was on here for a few months before i got verified,my reasons were because i wanted to be 100% certain swinging was what i wanted to do,i was in no rush to get verified just so people didnt think i was a timewaster or a single man with a single fem profile,and im sure its the same for lots of couples and single fems." actually you don't - you agree with me but you just dont realise it. after a few months you went ahead and got verified, had you not you would either have left and deleted your profile, or your profile would have remained a dormant, non-meeting profile. precisely what I have said all along. aiiithangyou | |||
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" Yeah they can be, just because you believe they can't it doesn't mean it's true you evaded answering the question directly - the issue isnt whether they might or can be genuine, the question is which one is more likely - and the answer to that is so obvious its clear why you are trying to wriggle so much." I aint wriggling at all - I said "yeah they can be" " Why are you so hung up on proving whether or not people are genuine? If you think they aren't then move onto profiles that you "think" are genuine, it's not rocket science really! I'm not hung up about it - the OP was concerned about timewasters and fake profiles, and I offered some reasonably reliable estimations by which you can appraise the validity of a profile - when others for whatever reason decided to muddy the waters of a very simple, straightforward - and above all correct position - and didnt really bother to read or understand what it said, I merely clarified it for the hard of thinking." I am not "hard of thinking" or trying to "muddy the waters" I am putting my tuppence worth into a forum post which isn't as straight forward as you think! | |||
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"Agree with _b430,when i first joined the site must be nearly 4 years ago as a single fem i was on here for a few months before i got verified,my reasons were because i wanted to be 100% certain swinging was what i wanted to do,i was in no rush to get verified just so people didnt think i was a timewaster or a single man with a single fem profile,and im sure its the same for lots of couples and single fems. actually you don't - you agree with me but you just dont realise it. after a few months you went ahead and got verified, had you not you would either have left and deleted your profile, or your profile would have remained a dormant, non-meeting profile. precisely what I have said all along. aiiithangyou" Senses a man who never likes to be wrong | |||
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"No it doesnt,what i was trying to say is couples and single fems could be on here for 3,4,5 months even longer,it doesnt make them all fakes. " well clearly you havent bothered reading my posts properly (please tell me you're better with profiles). At no point have I said anything of the sort - merely pointed out that the probablility diminishes as time increases - a sentiment echoed many times across these boards. " there could be reasons for them not to want to rush into it,and why should people meet someone just for the sake of getting verified so people dont think they are fakes? " again with the "not reading my posts" bit. I've clearly stated that there's a multitude of ways to get verified that DONT require a meet. And are you, in all seriousness, trying stretch you credibility by trying to tell me that this site and other sites like it DOESNT have a culture of people actively trying to show that they are genuine? | |||
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"Agree with _b430,when i first joined the site must be nearly 4 years ago as a single fem i was on here for a few months before i got verified,my reasons were because i wanted to be 100% certain swinging was what i wanted to do,i was in no rush to get verified just so people didnt think i was a timewaster or a single man with a single fem profile,and im sure its the same for lots of couples and single fems. actually you don't - you agree with me but you just dont realise it. after a few months you went ahead and got verified, had you not you would either have left and deleted your profile, or your profile would have remained a dormant, non-meeting profile. precisely what I have said all along. aiiithangyou" No i dont agree with you,you obviously have not got what im trying to say. Not everyone on here who have profiles for over 3 months and not been verified are fakes,what i was trying to say is there can be reasons for not jumping in amd meeting people straight away,but if thats what you think then you only have to avoid those profiles x | |||
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"No it doesnt,what i was trying to say is couples and single fems could be on here for 3,4,5 months even longer,it doesnt make them all fakes. well clearly you havent bothered reading my posts properly (please tell me you're better with profiles). At no point have I said anything of the sort - merely pointed out that the probablility diminishes as time increases - a sentiment echoed many times across these boards. there could be reasons for them not to want to rush into it,and why should people meet someone just for the sake of getting verified so people dont think they are fakes? again with the "not reading my posts" bit. I've clearly stated that there's a multitude of ways to get verified that DONT require a meet. And are you, in all seriousness, trying stretch you credibility by trying to tell me that this site and other sites like it DOESNT have a culture of people actively trying to show that they are genuine? " Yes i know there are other ways to get verified,but not everyone likes clubs or wants to go to socials or parties... Also,what has our profile got to do with this post? | |||
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"What sort of ratio is expected on site between time wasters and gen people? What are the odds of a whole string of time wasters? " We find the ratio is around 1000 timewasters contacting us to every genuine person. That ratio is totally fine for us, the one genuine person makes dealing with the timewasters absolutely worthwhile. | |||
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