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"we've found having been swinging for over 5 years now and been to a fair few swinging club over the country that seems nowadays that is not enough real swingers in the clubs today! You have to expect newbies of course and couples have to start somewhere but these last 2 years we've noticed a decline in what we think are 'real swingers who have intention to talk to to others in the club!.. There's to many couples that prefer to sit down all nite with no intention of interacting or there's couples there that are soft or full swap and still walk past you in the club like passing ships in the nite then leave a bad review for that club when we know exactly what it was like that night!. Real swingers we find are not having as much fun these days in club as i think there's to many wannabes leaving the real couples wondering what they've done with there nite. Does anyone else seem to think there's a band wagon people are joining and going to clubs for something to do as we think so? It not that we want to see things happen in the club like all the rooms being taken up but having been to may clubs over the years were finding that people are just drinking and smoking and that's it! Has anyone else noticed this or are been to judgemental?? would love to hear couples thought's and singles too? " want a frank and blunt answer... okay.. here it comes!.. judgemental!!!!! I hate the term "Real Swingers"... it is one of those phrases that gets people's backs up and the people who use it tend to think of themselves on some sort of higher plain then the rest of us mere mortals..... just because i am at a club... playing isn't the be all and end all... and to be honest some of the best nights I have experienced have been those chatting to people and the time just flies by! I don't see chatting to people I have no intention of playing with as "wasted conversation".... they may walk past you like ships in the night.... but then again... it still takes two!!... it bothers you that much, there is a solution... go up to people and talk to them!!! brilliant phrase: "if everyone waits on someone else to do something, invariably nothing gets done!" a club night is what you make of it.... you want to play... go play.... you want to watch... go watch... Exhibitionists, Voyeurs, BDSM, Gloryholes, Chat with people in the smoking areas.... there is normally something for everyone... the fixation on people who may approach their swinging in a different way is astonishing... just concentrate on the things you control, rather then trying to control what other people do | |||
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"Real swingers we find are not having as much fun these days in club as i think there's to many wannabes leaving the real couples wondering what they've done with there nite." Really? | |||
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"we've found having been swinging for over 5 years now and been to a fair few swinging club over the country that seems nowadays that is not enough real swingers in the clubs today! You have to expect newbies of course and couples have to start somewhere but these last 2 years we've noticed a decline in what we think are 'real swingers who have intention to talk to to others in the club!.. There's to many couples that prefer to sit down all nite with no intention of interacting or there's couples there that are soft or full swap and still walk past you in the club like passing ships in the nite then leave a bad review for that club when we know exactly what it was like that night!. Real swingers we find are not having as much fun these days in club as i think there's to many wannabes leaving the real couples wondering what they've done with there nite. Does anyone else seem to think there's a band wagon people are joining and going to clubs for something to do as we think so? It not that we want to see things happen in the club like all the rooms being taken up but having been to may clubs over the years were finding that people are just drinking and smoking and that's it! Has anyone else noticed this or are been to judgemental?? would love to hear couples thought's and singles too? " Comgratulations for being 'real swingers.' For what it's worth, in our opinion, some people will go to a club to socialise, others will go to play, others will go to socialise and play. If the majority are having fun, then who cares? Look after yourselves and make sure you have a great time. Why worry what others are doing? You can't amd won't change it. | |||
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"we've found having been swinging for over 5 years now and been to a fair few swinging club over the country that seems nowadays that is not enough real swingers in the clubs today! You have to expect newbies of course and couples have to start somewhere but these last 2 years we've noticed a decline in what we think are 'real swingers who have intention to talk to to others in the club!.. There's to many couples that prefer to sit down all nite with no intention of interacting or there's couples there that are soft or full swap and still walk past you in the club like passing ships in the nite then leave a bad review for that club when we know exactly what it was like that night!. Real swingers we find are not having as much fun these days in club as i think there's to many wannabes leaving the real couples wondering what they've done with there nite. Does anyone else seem to think there's a band wagon people are joining and going to clubs for something to do as we think so? It not that we want to see things happen in the club like all the rooms being taken up but having been to may clubs over the years were finding that people are just drinking and smoking and that's it! Has anyone else noticed this or are been to judgemental?? would love to hear couples thought's and singles too? want a frank and blunt answer... okay.. here it comes!.. judgemental!!!!! I hate the term "Real Swingers"... it is one of those phrases that gets people's backs up and the people who use it tend to think of themselves on some sort of higher plain then the rest of us mere mortals..... just because i am at a club... playing isn't the be all and end all... and to be honest some of the best nights I have experienced have been those chatting to people and the time just flies by! I don't see chatting to people I have no intention of playing with as "wasted conversation".... they may walk past you like ships in the night.... but then again... it still takes two!!... it bothers you that much, there is a solution... go up to people and talk to them!!! brilliant phrase: "if everyone waits on someone else to do something, invariably nothing gets done!" a club night is what you make of it.... you want to play... go play.... you want to watch... go watch... Exhibitionists, Voyeurs, BDSM, Gloryholes, Chat with people in the smoking areas.... there is normally something for everyone... the fixation on people who may approach their swinging in a different way is astonishing... just concentrate on the things you control, rather then trying to control what other people do" What Fabio said. We won't have our club behaviour, choices and conversations dictated by anyone other than ourselves. And if others don't like it............ A | |||
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"I love going to clubs. Sometimes it ends up being just me and my man getting naughty and sometimes with others. Personally I like to chat to people first rather than just jumping in, head first. I never go to a club expecting anything and have never been disappointed. One of the best nights I had ended up being a social, met an amazing couple who we ended up chatting to and flirting with for months. When we finally got to all play it was fucking awesome " You've just hit the nail on the head the best nights are the social's and not in the clubs that's my whole point! I think people are having more fun away from clubs because they find themselves not in a swinging club.. | |||
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"I love going to clubs. Sometimes it ends up being just me and my man getting naughty and sometimes with others. Personally I like to chat to people first rather than just jumping in, head first. I never go to a club expecting anything and have never been disappointed. One of the best nights I had ended up being a social, met an amazing couple who we ended up chatting to and flirting with for months. When we finally got to all play it was fucking awesome You've just hit the nail on the head the best nights are the social's and not in the clubs that's my whole point! I think people are having more fun away from clubs because they find themselves not in a swinging club.. " I think 'Woowootoo' meant that the great night ended up being a social...in a club! Thus, hitting the nail on the head in that it doesn't all have to be sex sex sex for a great night to be had. | |||
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"Sorry but what is a "real swinger" ??? Just wondering as after 10 years on the scene we haven't come across this definition before ." Mmmmm this term 'real' .. Bit confused as aren't we all real? We are not made up or artificial. It must be great to be as important and superior as the OP | |||
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"We are the people you speak of. We go to clubs and sit there chatting to each other. You may think we are not real swingers but the fact is, we are both very shy and not very confident. You know what it might be. You say over the years people don't seem as into it as before. Maybe it's because you're getting older and attracting less attention. " thats harsh... However is may be a confidence issue with the more experienced couple very confident with swinging scene and the new comers less so and being seen as stand off ish? | |||
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"didnt this thread already get closed once because it turned into an argument ? " They posted twice and this has survived. Not sure the OP is still following it though. Things became quite nasty on the other thread | |||
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"We are the people you speak of. We go to clubs and sit there chatting to each other. You may think we are not real swingers but the fact is, we are both very shy and not very confident. You know what it might be. You say over the years people don't seem as into it as before. Maybe it's because you're getting older and attracting less attention. " I have to agree here.... i have been to a few different clubs and i am quite shy so find it difficult to talk to new people (especially if the club is packed... and will get a drink and go sit in the smoking area - as its usually a bit quieter) i do eventually calm down and become quite sociable. I do talk to people and have played on occasion but i dont expect to play when i do go, its a good way of meeting new people. And as BaldersandBoss pointed out... what is a "real swinger"??? i am definitely real... At the end of the day its each to there own... just have fun your own way... Sarah xx | |||
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"We are the people you speak of. We go to clubs and sit there chatting to each other. You may think we are not real swingers but the fact is, we are both very shy and not very confident. You know what it might be. You say over the years people don't seem as into it as before. Maybe it's because you're getting older and attracting less attention. thats harsh... However is may be a confidence issue with the more experienced couple very confident with swinging scene and the new comers less so and being seen as stand off ish? " Or you turn up at a club, don't play all night because the couples that claim they are looking for bi women have chatted to couples on here, arranged to meet at the said club and spend all night playing with them. That doesn't make my friend and I any less swinger, in fact it was lovely to catch up whilst lazing in the jacuzzi | |||
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"I hope everyones prepared to take one for the Team Gimp " That assumes they get an offer to do so. | |||
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"We are the people you speak of. We go to clubs and sit there chatting to each other. You may think we are not real swingers but the fact is, we are both very shy and not very confident. You know what it might be. You say over the years people don't seem as into it as before. Maybe it's because you're getting older and attracting less attention. thats harsh... However is may be a confidence issue with the more experienced couple very confident with swinging scene and the new comers less so and being seen as stand off ish? " It wasn't meant to be harsh. That is my opinion and tried hard to put it in a way that was not harsh. If I have offended anyone. Sorry. | |||
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"Maybe the people you see who are chatting dont fancy playing with you !" Or they were far to busy playing | |||
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"As many regular forumites will be only too aware , our view is the same as the op . Swinging , and specifically clubs , is a lifestyle which embraces the inclusion of others in sexuel activity . By definition if you don't engage in any sexual activity with others , you simply can't be a swinger . OK some may be voyeurs and just enjoy watching , and others exhibitionists ( so that sorts those two groups out ! ) . But if you go to a swinging club , and no one is playing then wtf is going on that couldn't be done in a pub or a vanilla club ? It used to annoy us until a few months back , then we thought sod it ..... If no one is playing we will start things off with each other ,and invariably from there it livens up . To be honest , by the time we have arranged and paid for a babysitter , got dressed up and travelled to a club , the last thing we want is a club full of socialising wannabes . So shoot us down , and say the usual ' we prefer quality over quantity ' Or ' swinging is as much about the socialising ' ..... For us its about enjoying sex with others , especially at a club ! " | |||
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"I think you may have hit a few raw nerves hence the aggressively subjective replies. I thought the original op was talking about social interaction, not compulsary sex. I think society as a whole is less sociable now and suspect that is carrying over into clubs. " Those raw nerves are funny to observe though. I AM A REAL SWINGER Are you insisting I have to fuck everyone Roooaaaaarrrr Maybe you're correct that people's social skills are not quite what they once were | |||
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"I understand what the OP means, although even with a lengthy post, they haven't explained themselves very well. We don't go to swinging clubs or parties for a social night. We have plenty of friends in our 'normal' life for that. Of course, we want to talk to others, but that's generally polite conversation to make sure everybody is comfortable. We'd much rather make good use of the time in a play room! " | |||
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"So if I go to a club with someone and only okay with them all night...am I a real swinger or not? For the record I've had 3,4 and 5 suns in clubs and have also been with 6 people in one night, but that's not in every visit. So would I be classed as a part time swinger? " You are who you are As am I Whatever anyone else thinks is all bollocks | |||
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"So if I go to a club with someone and only okay with them all night...am I a real swinger or not? For the record I've had 3,4 and 5 suns in clubs and have also been with 6 people in one night, but that's not in every visit. So would I be classed as a part time swinger? " The whole subject is getting silly now ... The op and ourselves are just saying that when a club has everyone in it just drinking and socialising , it can be a tad disappointing if you have gone with the intention of playing . No one is saying you or anyone else is not a real swinger if you don't play every time you visit a club . The frustration is when the night becomes no different to a visit to a vanilla club . This can happen if there is an overall emphasis on socialising , or a lot of newbies , and the atmosphere doesn't lend itself to getting into playing . We have always said too much chatting beforehand can lead to not feeling in the mood to play ! There seems a distinct division amongst the posterson this thread - all are equally swingers - just having different agendas | |||
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"we've found having been swinging for over 5 years now and been to a fair few swinging club over the country that seems nowadays that is not enough real swingers in the clubs today! You have to expect newbies of course and couples have to start somewhere but these last 2 years we've noticed a decline in what we think are 'real swingers who have intention to talk to to others in the club!.. There's to many couples that prefer to sit down all nite with no intention of interacting or there's couples there that are soft or full swap and still walk past you in the club like passing ships in the nite then leave a bad review for that club when we know exactly what it was like that night!. Real swingers we find are not having as much fun these days in club as i think there's to many wannabes leaving the real couples wondering what they've done with there nite. Does anyone else seem to think there's a band wagon people are joining and going to clubs for something to do as we think so? It not that we want to see things happen in the club like all the rooms being taken up but having been to may clubs over the years were finding that people are just drinking and smoking and that's it! Has anyone else noticed this or are been to judgemental?? would love to hear couples thought's and singles too? " It might be the way you dress/present yourselves if you are not getting the attention you got in the past. | |||
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" We have always said too much chatting beforehand can lead to not feeling in the mood to play !" But surely some conversation is required, or is it just turn up get shagging you prefer? We have been visitors in some clubs where on arrival everyone is already chatting in groups, and we have been blanked, only way to get into a conversation a lot of the time is to go and join the smokers. As we don't smoke that ploy is a little obvious. Think the self declared real swingers need to make moe effort in the all important first hour then you may find more shyer people ready when you say the immortal words "want to play?" | |||
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" The whole subject is getting silly now ... The op and ourselves are just saying that when a club has everyone in it just drinking and socialising , it can be a tad disappointing if you have gone with the intention of playing . " maybe that's the downfall? At my local club we advise people go to without any expectations then you're never disappointed or just play with yourselves if sex is that important to making your night out worthwhile | |||
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" We have always said too much chatting beforehand can lead to not feeling in the mood to play ! But surely some conversation is required, or is it just turn up get shagging you prefer? We have been visitors in some clubs where on arrival everyone is already chatting in groups, and we have been blanked, only way to get into a conversation a lot of the time is to go and join the smokers. As we don't smoke that ploy is a little obvious. Think the self declared real swingers need to make moe effort in the all important first hour then you may find more shyer people ready when you say the immortal words "want to play?" " Of course a bit of a chat is usually good to see if there is a connection . But it's not always necessary - many a time a glance , a smile and a play has been really horny too ! Each of us has our own style , and I fully take your point regarding the fact that in a new club , newbies can find it difficult to engage with established groups . If we fancy a new arrival , we make a point of leaving the group to introduce ourselves . Sometimes this leads to a chat and later a play , other times just a social , depending on the chemistry . We never put pressure on anyone , and have a good reputation introducing newbies to the carnal delights of swinging | |||
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"Not enough genuine swingers in clubs or elsewhere, gosh, even on this site. Too easy to join/visit somewhere for titilation rather than to become involved. Swamps the genuine people." What makes a person 'genuine'? | |||
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"What the fuck makes someone who isn't a swinger take ID, pay membership then pay an entrance fee go to into a swingers club if they are not swingers??? Is it me or is this thread seriously fucked up! " | |||
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"What the fuck makes someone who isn't a swinger take ID, pay membership then pay an entrance fee go to into a swingers club if they are not swingers??? Is it me or is this thread seriously fucked up! " Yes to what ever he says because he is hot | |||
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"What the fuck makes someone who isn't a swinger take ID, pay membership then pay an entrance fee go to into a swingers club if they are not swingers??? Is it me or is this thread seriously fucked up! " What the fuck is it about being called a swinger that makes people so angry if somebody they don't know dares to suggest they might not call them a swinger? | |||
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"I get more annoyed by the fact that others people are telling me what a "real swinger" is and dictating to others what they should or shouldn't be doing in any particular setting..... "I play when I want when I feel comfortable with people I like....." most important words in that statement... I!!!! no one else gets to make those decisions... don't like it... tough!!!! This " | |||
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"The ironic thing of this is, this post kind of discourages people who are genuine swingers who are thinking of visiting clubs..." It's certainly put me off ever attending Swingfest due to some of the views expressed. | |||
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"The ironic thing of this is, this post kind of discourages people who are genuine swingers who are thinking of visiting clubs... It's certainly put me off ever attending Swingfest due to some of the views expressed." What is Swingfest ? | |||
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"Does this mean we're not real swingers, because we never put our keys in a bowl? " Don't recall anyone mentioning keys in a bowl , have you been to a club where this happens ? | |||
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"Does this mean we're not real swingers, because we never put our keys in a bowl? Don't recall anyone mentioning keys in a bowl , have you been to a club where this happens ?" You mean you haven't? Fake | |||
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"Does this mean we're not real swingers, because we never put our keys in a bowl? Don't recall anyone mentioning keys in a bowl , have you been to a club where this happens ? You mean you haven't? Fake " | |||
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"Seems to be too many people on here trying to control what other people get up to and to label them as such Seems divide and conquer is truly happening " Don't agree with this statement at all . Simply differing opinions and thoughts as to what hoes on ( or not ) in clubs . Certainly not trying to conquer anyone here | |||
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"The ironic thing of this is, this post kind of discourages people who are genuine swingers who are thinking of visiting clubs... It's certainly put me off ever attending Swingfest due to some of the views expressed. What is Swingfest ?" Blonde moment, I meant swingfields. | |||
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"The ironic thing of this is, this post kind of discourages people who are genuine swingers who are thinking of visiting clubs... It's certainly put me off ever attending Swingfest due to some of the views expressed. What is Swingfest ? Blonde moment, I meant swingfields." I don't know why you be put off by us as we aren't going to Swingfields ! | |||
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" Agree with the OP. As much as most on here disagree, I think they're right. One of the reasons why we like the Private Club, mainly "real Swingers" there." Out of interest what makes the customers at Private Club more "real" than those at any other club? | |||
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" Agree with the OP. As much as most on here disagree, I think they're right. One of the reasons why we like the Private Club, mainly "real Swingers" there. Out of interest what makes the customers at Private Club more "real" than those at any other club?" It's a sex club isn't, mainly aimed at single men and hostesses. | |||
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" Agree with the OP. As much as most on here disagree, I think they're right. One of the reasons why we like the Private Club, mainly "real Swingers" there." Often thought the Private club would suit us too , really must get up there soon | |||
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" Agree with the OP. As much as most on here disagree, I think they're right. One of the reasons why we like the Private Club, mainly "real Swingers" there. Out of interest what makes the customers at Private Club more "real" than those at any other club?" isn't "private club" from what I remember in the past, one of those clubs what was alledged to have paid women there.......;-) more to the point... still waiting of a defination on what a "real swinger" is.... | |||
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" Agree with the OP. As much as most on here disagree, I think they're right. One of the reasons why we like the Private Club, mainly "real Swingers" there. Out of interest what makes the customers at Private Club more "real" than those at any other club?" Because. They are "customers" rather than attendees? Maybe I'm wrong but isn't that club mre likely to be paying the female attendees/guests? | |||
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" Agree with the OP. As much as most on here disagree, I think they're right. One of the reasons why we like the Private Club, mainly "real Swingers" there. Out of interest what makes the customers at Private Club more "real" than those at any other club? Because. They are "customers" rather than attendees? Maybe I'm wrong but isn't that club mre likely to be paying the female attendees/guests? " I got that impression when I looked at their website. That was ages ago though - but I thought it was some sort of 'gentlemans club', so we've never tried it. | |||
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"if you can handle the Private club, then I'd say you're a hard core swinger, you've seen it, done it, and bought the T shirt." Oh please... | |||
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"if you can handle the Private club, then I'd say you're a hard core swinger, you've seen it, done it, and bought the T shirt." Isn't it a bit ironic on a discussion about 'real swingers' to promote a club that pays women to attend? Or am I wrong on that? | |||
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"if you can handle the Private club, then I'd say you're a hard core swinger, you've seen it, done it, and bought the T shirt. Oh please... " trust me, you wouldn't like it | |||
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"if you can handle the Private club, then I'd say you're a hard core swinger, you've seen it, done it, and bought the T shirt. Isn't it a bit ironic on a discussion about 'real swingers' to promote a club that pays women to attend? Or am I wrong on that?" In fairness not all women are paid hostesses. And I believe that the hostesses have the right to say no. But to me, how it markets itself and the clientele it targets itself at is far nearer to prostitution than any club I've been to. And that's not a criticism, if it suits all attending who am I to criticicise. But i will laugh in the face of anyone that tries to convince me that the ethos of the club is what "real" swinging is. If it is, then maybe all those single guys on here who think that this site is going to be a source of ever horny women willing to shag anything are maybe on to something | |||
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"if you can handle the Private club, then I'd say you're a hard core swinger, you've seen it, done it, and bought the T shirt. Oh please... trust me, you wouldn't like it" Do you have to be so patronising? No we wouldn't, but tell me how that makes us any less real or hardcore? Or is it a case of pure elitism and how you play is the only way? | |||
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"if you can handle the Private club, then I'd say you're a hard core swinger, you've seen it, done it, and bought the T shirt. Oh please... trust me, you wouldn't like it" We would , and can't wait to get the t shirt | |||
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"if you can handle the Private club, then I'd say you're a hard core swinger, you've seen it, done it, and bought the T shirt. Isn't it a bit ironic on a discussion about 'real swingers' to promote a club that pays women to attend? Or am I wrong on that? In fairness not all women are paid hostesses. And I believe that the hostesses have the right to say no. But to me, how it markets itself and the clientele it targets itself at is far nearer to prostitution than any club I've been to. And that's not a criticism, if it suits all attending who am I to criticicise. But i will laugh in the face of anyone that tries to convince me that the ethos of the club is what "real" swinging is. If it is, then maybe all those single guys on here who think that this site is going to be a source of ever horny women willing to shag anything are maybe on to something" I've never been but it looks and sounds like a brothel (which is why I've never been). Doesn't sound at all like a swingers club. | |||
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"The very reason we don.t go to clubs. . . . Easier for us to decide in the comfort of our own home if others are for us. . . . And if not we move quietly along! !!!!" Where do you move along to - the dining room? | |||
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"The Private club is very full on with lots of single men. If you can spend Saturday night in there and have relaxed, enjoyable night, I'd say you can handle any situation in swinging. Perhaps go and test yourself, see how you measure up" But what if our preference is a 4 sum ideally with plenty of bi action? Or is being gangbanged, because it is your preference, what constitutes "real" swinging? | |||
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"The Private club is very full on with lots of single men. If you can spend Saturday night in there and have relaxed, enjoyable night, I'd say you can handle any situation in swinging. Perhaps go and test yourself, see how you measure up" We eagerly look forward to our first visit . We love the fact it isn't couples only and relish the opportunity for Sabrina to get busy with lots of single guys | |||
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"The Private club is very full on with lots of single men. If you can spend Saturday night in there and have relaxed, enjoyable night, I'd say you can handle any situation in swinging. Perhaps go and test yourself, see how you measure up" I've never felt the need to 'measure up' or 'test myself' as a swinger - I do it for fun. Doesn't seem like much of a test anyhow if people need to be paid to give you company. | |||
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"real swinging perhaps not, but i'd say their hardcore swingers. I don't really like a gangbang to be fair, don't really like the help. Like the idea of some of the women being paid hostesses. Look at it a bit like the difference between ameuter and pro boxing, if you want to get in the ring with the pro's, you'd better know what you're doing if you want to impress them " Oh ok - I'm on a very different wavelength. You mean they're 'professionals' in every sense Let me guess - you're the best they ever had? | |||
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"real swinging perhaps not, but i'd say their hardcore swingers. I don't really like a gangbang to be fair, don't really like the help. Like the idea of some of the women being paid hostesses. Look at it a bit like the difference between ameuter and pro boxing, if you want to get in the ring with the pro's, you'd better know what you're doing if you want to impress them " In fairness we have seen and taken part in things at BDSM nights that would get us a ban if we mentioned them on the forums. We really don;t need to prove how hardcore we are... But each to their own, if straight play in a club with paid hostesses and men who treat it like a brothel is your definition of hardcore play then knock yourself out (like my boxing analogy)... | |||
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"real swinging perhaps not, but i'd say their hardcore swingers. I don't really like a gangbang to be fair, don't really like the help. Like the idea of some of the women being paid hostesses. Look at it a bit like the difference between ameuter and pro boxing, if you want to get in the ring with the pro's, you'd better know what you're doing if you want to impress them " If you are in a club where most women are hookers - who do you need to impress? | |||
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"real swinging perhaps not, but i'd say their hardcore swingers. I don't really like a gangbang to be fair, don't really like the help. Like the idea of some of the women being paid hostesses. Look at it a bit like the difference between ameuter and pro boxing, if you want to get in the ring with the pro's, you'd better know what you're doing if you want to impress them In fairness we have seen and taken part in things at BDSM nights that would get us a ban if we mentioned them on the forums. We really don;t need to prove how hardcore we are... But each to their own, if straight play in a club with paid hostesses and men who treat it like a brothel is your definition of hardcore play then knock yourself out (like my boxing analogy)..." I'm sorry, I didn't realise you we're so hardcore you can't mention it. Forgive me | |||
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"real swinging perhaps not, but i'd say their hardcore swingers. I don't really like a gangbang to be fair, don't really like the help. Like the idea of some of the women being paid hostesses. Look at it a bit like the difference between ameuter and pro boxing, if you want to get in the ring with the pro's, you'd better know what you're doing if you want to impress them If you are in a club where most women are hookers - who do you need to impress? " go try, if they remember you for the right reasons the second time, you'll have done well | |||
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"real swinging perhaps not, but i'd say their hardcore swingers. I don't really like a gangbang to be fair, don't really like the help. Like the idea of some of the women being paid hostesses. Look at it a bit like the difference between ameuter and pro boxing, if you want to get in the ring with the pro's, you'd better know what you're doing if you want to impress them If you are in a club where most women are hookers - who do you need to impress? go try, if they remember you for the right reasons the second time, you'll have done well" If I'm paying for sex, why would I care if they remember it? If one is paying, one can be as good or as bad as they like.. | |||
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"real swinging perhaps not, but i'd say their hardcore swingers. I don't really like a gangbang to be fair, don't really like the help. Like the idea of some of the women being paid hostesses. Look at it a bit like the difference between ameuter and pro boxing, if you want to get in the ring with the pro's, you'd better know what you're doing if you want to impress them If you are in a club where most women are hookers - who do you need to impress? go try, if they remember you for the right reasons the second time, you'll have done well" You're so amusing. Really really really funny. Swingers Of The Century. | |||
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"Follow the green arrow.....someone clearly has a chip here..." Need some more chips and some fish, plus a little curry sauce.... | |||
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"havent read the whole thread, but guessing that because some have knocked you back in your advances, then you are terming them to be 'not real swingers' whatever that may be. just because people arent interested in talking to you personally, doesnt mean they have no interest in talking to others. we have found some in clubs ignorant, tetchy and dare i say cliquey, at times, but then, you will get the regulars at these places, then you get the newbies that go every now and then, so have to start fresh every time. " | |||
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"havent read the whole thread, but guessing that because some have knocked you back in your advances, then you are terming them to be 'not real swingers' whatever that may be. just because people arent interested in talking to you personally, doesnt mean they have no interest in talking to others. we have found some in clubs ignorant, tetchy and dare i say cliquey, at times, but then, you will get the regulars at these places, then you get the newbies that go every now and then, so have to start fresh every time. " knocked bk how do u know lol we always get knocked backed and never have any fun pmsl can u advise us how get fun guys ? | |||
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"havent read the whole thread, but guessing that because some have knocked you back in your advances, then you are terming them to be 'not real swingers' whatever that may be. just because people arent interested in talking to you personally, doesnt mean they have no interest in talking to others. we have found some in clubs ignorant, tetchy and dare i say cliquey, at times, but then, you will get the regulars at these places, then you get the newbies that go every now and then, so have to start fresh every time. knocked bk how do u know lol we always get knocked backed and never have any fun pmsl can u advise us how get fun guys ? " cant help you. we arent real swingers as we dont go to clubs to jump on the first things to show any interest. much prefer to sit back and take in the atmosphere. if we do anything, we do, if not, we dont | |||
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"Clubs have changed, well OK the people in clubs have changed, There is good and bad in that. Swinging is not what it was 5 years ago " . What was it like 5 years ago? | |||
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"Clubs have changed, well OK the people in clubs have changed, There is good and bad in that. Swinging is not what it was 5 years ago . What was it like 5 years ago?" Oh, you know, people were much younger, probably by about five years most of them | |||
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"Clubs have changed, well OK the people in clubs have changed, There is good and bad in that. Swinging is not what it was 5 years ago . What was it like 5 years ago? Oh, you know, people were much younger, probably by about five years most of them " | |||
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"havent read the whole thread, but guessing that because some have knocked you back in your advances, then you are terming them to be 'not real swingers' whatever that may be. just because people arent interested in talking to you personally, doesnt mean they have no interest in talking to others. we have found some in clubs ignorant, tetchy and dare i say cliquey, at times, but then, you will get the regulars at these places, then you get the newbies that go every now and then, so have to start fresh every time. knocked bk how do u know lol we always get knocked backed and never have any fun pmsl can u advise us how get fun guys ? " Yeah, don't go | |||
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"The only time I have been to a club I was put off due to the undercurrent feeling that if you are in a swingers club you'll fuck anyone who shows interest, because that's what happens at a club. I assumed clubs were not for me (despite really looking forward to going) since I wasn't prepared to be everyone's play thing. I'd much prefer to go, chat with other swingers and if I click with someone then head off and play in a room. If it doesn't happen I don't want any pressure. Maybe I'm not a real swinger though " In this case we are not real swingers, and dont know real swingers either, because a swinging club should have NO pressure to play with anyone. We go with single females, and they have just chatted and not played. Other times they have gone off with someone to a private room or if no private rooms are available swapped details for here to meet later. Only do what you are comfortable with when you are comfortable to do it. Avoid gb's and gg's nights though, so there is an expectation for a 'yes' then, which we found out to our personal cost. Now we know better | |||
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"Why do people think that if you go to a club you will fuck anything ? That's so far from the truth ... its no different to looking for a meet on here , except you actually get to see and chat with potential meets in the flesh . And instead of arranging when you will play , you _et a room and it's all good . If you don't fancy someone , you don't play . Simple . " thats what the OP seems to be saying, though. those that go to clubs, but have no intention of putting out with anyone or everyone, arent real swingers. | |||
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"We've been going to clubs very regularly for 14 years. Without doubt the attitude of people who go to clubs has changed in that time. When we first started going almost all people went with the intention of playing at the club, mostly with other people. Very few people went solely to socialise. Our impression is that many people now going to clubs use them as a place where they can have a night out in their underwear and then shag their partners at home. The argument about what is a 'real' swinger is pointless and deflects from the OP point that clubs are no longer places where the majority of punters are actively looking to play. Not saying this is a good or bad thing but just stating the impression we have from a long time on the scene and an awful lot of different clubs." You no what thats exactly the response ive been looking for since starting the thread! thank god were not the ones that feel the same...horrrayyyyy | |||
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"But there's a big difference between going to a club with no intention of playing with anyone at all , and the assumption that if you go you will play with anyone . We go to clubs at least once a week , and obviously play if there's anyone that takes our fancy . We wouldn't dream of going if we had no intention of playing at all , but if there's no one we fancy we don't play . What annoys me is the assumption we would take one for the team .... " suppose we kind of differ slightly as we have never been with the sole intention of playing with someone, as then you probably would end up 'taking one for the team' as it were, but rather with the open minded attitude that, if the situation arises, we are more than open to it. | |||
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"We don't differ at all ! If as you say , the situation arises you are more than open to it with mutual attraction . That's exactly how it is for us too . However , the op and a few others are rightly suggesting that there are a lot of people attending clubs , with no intention of playing , no matter what . " ah ok, i read you wrong then lol. but, a question arises, how does the OP, or anyone, know that all these people have no interest in playing with anyone at all? just because the OP doesnt interest them, or anyone there at the time, doesnt mean they arent like us. | |||
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"After reading some of the comments on here it has confirmed why we don't think clubs would be right for us. Surely you are free to do whatever you want when going to a club without fear of being castigated as not a 'Real Swinger', for exercising your right not to play. Surely there has to be some element of desire for the evening to be pleasurable. You shouldn't be expected to fuck everyone there just because it is a swinging club and the other members expect this as they are 'Real Swingers' and you don't want to let the other club goers down. This is just ridiculous and wouldn't happen, or be expected from anyone, when having an evening out with your partner anywhere in the 'Real World', (whatever that is...). Last time we checked we were allowed to choose the meal we wanted to eat, the film we wanted to watch, the band we wanted to see rather than having our choices dictated to us by the other patrons. It's got to be about choice... swinging for us is about having mutual fun, enjoying glorious moments with others who you know are enjoying your company too. Would be awful to look into someone's eyes, whilst sharing an intimate moment, for them to look back at you with eyes glazed over, knowing that you were not the object of their desire and that they were going through the motions just because they didn't want to have to pay a babysitter for nothing. So if you are under any pressure to fuck everyone, just because they have turned up on the same night as you, then clubs are definitely not for us. But each to their own" Excellent post | |||
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"After reading some of the comments on here it has confirmed why we don't think clubs would be right for us. Surely you are free to do whatever you want when going to a club without fear of being castigated as not a 'Real Swinger', for exercising your right not to play. Surely there has to be some element of desire for the evening to be pleasurable. You shouldn't be expected to fuck everyone there just because it is a swinging club and the other members expect this as they are 'Real Swingers' and you don't want to let the other club goers down. This is just ridiculous and wouldn't happen, or be expected from anyone, when having an evening out with your partner anywhere in the 'Real World', (whatever that is...). Last time we checked we were allowed to choose the meal we wanted to eat, the film we wanted to watch, the band we wanted to see rather than having our choices dictated to us by the other patrons. It's got to be about choice... swinging for us is about having mutual fun, enjoying glorious moments with others who you know are enjoying your company too. Would be awful to look into someone's eyes, whilst sharing an intimate moment, for them to look back at you with eyes glazed over, knowing that you were not the object of their desire and that they were going through the motions just because they didn't want to have to pay a babysitter for nothing. So if you are under any pressure to fuck everyone, just because they have turned up on the same night as you, then clubs are definitely not for us. But each to their own" You do have choice!! The OP's views are just his. From my experience people in clubs are generally respectful. I think the OP's views are definitely in the minority. I woukdnt let that effect your decision to attend one. | |||
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"After reading some of the comments on here it has confirmed why we don't think clubs would be right for us. Surely you are free to do whatever you want when going to a club without fear of being castigated as not a 'Real Swinger', for exercising your right not to play. Surely there has to be some element of desire for the evening to be pleasurable. You shouldn't be expected to fuck everyone there just because it is a swinging club and the other members expect this as they are 'Real Swingers' and you don't want to let the other club goers down. This is just ridiculous and wouldn't happen, or be expected from anyone, when having an evening out with your partner anywhere in the 'Real World', (whatever that is...). Last time we checked we were allowed to choose the meal we wanted to eat, the film we wanted to watch, the band we wanted to see rather than having our choices dictated to us by the other patrons. It's got to be about choice... swinging for us is about having mutual fun, enjoying glorious moments with others who you know are enjoying your company too. Would be awful to look into someone's eyes, whilst sharing an intimate moment, for them to look back at you with eyes glazed over, knowing that you were not the object of their desire and that they were going through the motions just because they didn't want to have to pay a babysitter for nothing. So if you are under any pressure to fuck everyone, just because they have turned up on the same night as you, then clubs are definitely not for us. But each to their own Excellent post " I have never been to a club and felt as though anybody believed they had a right to fuck me. I have never been to a club and cared one bit whether anybody else wished to categorise me as a swinger or anything else. I have been to lots of clubs and had lots of good times. I wish I could go more. I read a lot of nonsense on here by people assuming a great deal based on not very much. | |||
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"Do People go to a restaurant and just look at the menu, go to a concert and listen to their headphones etc etc There are so few clubs these days were people consistently swing. And yes we know women/couples aren't bound to play with every one but come on time wasters are bound to get "real swingers" frustrated. I've experienced many glorified wife swappers wandering around "SWINGERS clubs" looking down their noses at every one putting a downer on the night to mention. Sadly it the way things are. Real swingers I salute you xxx " How is someone who attends a club a timewaster? We don't go to clubs but surely those that do are not wasting anyone's time. You contradict yourself by stating their is an element of choice yet state that if people choose not to play then they are timewasting and pissing off the 'Real Swingers' And as for 'consistently' swinging, are you insinuating that people have to be fucking constantly otherwise they are not 'Real Swingers' and are then to be considered timewasters? You comments about glorified wife swappers seems a little revealing too. Could it be that any woman who exercises her right not to play with you, and subsequently, you believe, is looking down their nose at you, is in fact not attracted to you enough to play with you. Everything within the whole gambit of swinging hinges on one thing. Choice. Who are you to say that unless they behave the way you expect them to they are timewasters, not real swingers and just glorified wife swappers. Anyone is free, for whatever reasons, to be free to choose when, where and with whom they play. It seems you are the one looking down your nose at those who choose not to play with you. | |||
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"Do People go to a restaurant and just look at the menu, go to a concert and listen to their headphones etc etc There are so few clubs these days were people consistently swing. And yes we know women/couples aren't bound to play with every one but come on time wasters are bound to get "real swingers" frustrated. I've experienced many glorified wife swappers wandering around "SWINGERS clubs" looking down their noses at every one putting a downer on the night to mention. Sadly it the way things are. Real swingers I salute you xxx How is someone who attends a club a timewaster? We don't go to clubs but surely those that do are not wasting anyone's time. You contradict yourself by stating their is an element of choice yet state that if people choose not to play then they are timewasting and pissing off the 'Real Swingers' And as for 'consistently' swinging, are you insinuating that people have to be fucking constantly otherwise they are not 'Real Swingers' and are then to be considered timewasters? You comments about glorified wife swappers seems a little revealing too. Could it be that any woman who exercises her right not to play with you, and subsequently, you believe, is looking down their nose at you, is in fact not attracted to you enough to play with you. Everything within the whole gambit of swinging hinges on one thing. Choice. Who are you to say that unless they behave the way you expect them to they are timewasters, not real swingers and just glorified wife swappers. Anyone is free, for whatever reasons, to be free to choose when, where and with whom they play. It seems you are the one looking down your nose at those who choose not to play with you." | |||
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"Do People go to a restaurant and just look at the menu, go to a concert and listen to their headphones etc etc There are so few clubs these days were people consistently swing. And yes we know women/couples aren't bound to play with every one but come on time wasters are bound to get "real swingers" frustrated. I've experienced many glorified wife swappers wandering around "SWINGERS clubs" looking down their noses at every one putting a downer on the night to mention. Sadly it the way things are. Real swingers I salute you xxx " What is it that is frustrating to you? That somebody doesn't want to fuck you? 'Real swingers' know the reality that not everybody wants to fuck them - even in a club or at a party. And what is a 'glorified wife swapper?' | |||
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"Do People go to a restaurant and just look at the menu, go to a concert and listen to their headphones etc etc There are so few clubs these days were people consistently swing. And yes we know women/couples aren't bound to play with every one but come on time wasters are bound to get "real swingers" frustrated. I've experienced many glorified wife swappers wandering around "SWINGERS clubs" looking down their noses at every one putting a downer on the night to mention. Sadly it the way things are. Real swingers I salute you xxx " well, vicariously, you havent a leg to stand on, as a single person, you also do not fall under the banner of a 'real swinger' so what the hell are you doing at a swingers club? | |||
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"Do People go to a restaurant and just look at the menu, go to a concert and listen to their headphones etc etc There are so few clubs these days were people consistently swing. And yes we know women/couples aren't bound to play with every one but come on time wasters are bound to get "real swingers" frustrated. I've experienced many glorified wife swappers wandering around "SWINGERS clubs" looking down their noses at every one putting a downer on the night to mention. Sadly it the way things are. Real swingers I salute you xxx well, vicariously, you havent a leg to stand on, as a single person, you also do not fall under the banner of a 'real swinger' so what the hell are you doing at a swingers club?" Says the "Soft" swop swinger... | |||
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"Do People go to a restaurant and just look at the menu, go to a concert and listen to their headphones etc etc There are so few clubs these days were people consistently swing. And yes we know women/couples aren't bound to play with every one but come on time wasters are bound to get "real swingers" frustrated. I've experienced many glorified wife swappers wandering around "SWINGERS clubs" looking down their noses at every one putting a downer on the night to mention. Sadly it the way things are. Real swingers I salute you xxx well, vicariously, you havent a leg to stand on, as a single person, you also do not fall under the banner of a 'real swinger' so what the hell are you doing at a swingers club? Says the "Soft" swop swinger..." whats that got to do with the price of eggs? in the 'age old' explanation of what a swinger is, its wife swapping. guess what, we have a wife to swap, no matter the level of which that swap is. a single, whether male or female, doesnt. so, 'real swingers' can only be couples (going by the proper historical version of the passtime) | |||
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