FabSwingers.com forum: tv and ts

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How come fabswingers puts TVs and TSs in the same category, they are both completely different types of people so should have their own category when searching. Anyone else agree?

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By *otTheReal01Man
over a year ago

London

I always thought that was a bit odd. But then the counter argument is where do you stop with categories?

Transgender, gender-fluid, transitioning?

Most of the tick boxes on profiles should really be sliders rather than absolute.

(sexuality being the classic one)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I always thought that was a bit odd. But then the counter argument is where do you stop with categories?

Transgender, gender-fluid, transitioning?

Most of the tick boxes on profiles should really be sliders rather than absolute.

(sexuality being the classic one)"

Still sounds a rather pedantic argument, at least allowing TV and TS to be separate categories gives more options than simply placing them both in one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

your suggestions seem to be going into too much detail as fabswingers have the tick box TV/Ts and not a Transgender/gender-fluid/transitioning tick box. Would it be so hard to just separate the two?

If I'm searching for a TS i don't want to find a hairy chested bloke who likes wearing his wives knickers, i want to find a person who was born one sex but is going through a change to become another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i want to find a person who was born one sex but is going through a change to become another."

Would they still be required to meet your 'hung like a horse' criteria?

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By *otTheReal01Man
over a year ago

London

I agree with you completely, they should be separate.

I was just being devil's advocate and pointing out that there are lots of things in the profiles that could be done better.

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

submissive land

You breakdown every cstegory and end up judt clogging up site

Fully bi

Partialy bi

Orally bi

Bi curious about being fully bi or orally bi etc etc

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You breakdown every cstegory and end up judt clogging up site

Fully bi

Partialy bi

Orally bi

Bi curious about being fully bi or orally bi etc etc

Like someone just said, you can be pedantic when it comes to this sort of thing. Bi at least narrows it down to being bi.

Do you think its really fair that your in the same category as someone who is changing there life completely by taking pills and going through an operation, where as your just wearing some slutty clothes whilst hiding away behind your front door?

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By *otTheReal01Man
over a year ago

London

Why does fairness come into it? TVs make a lifestyle choice just as TVs do. The fact that one is medical doesn't change anything. It's still choice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lets just narrow it down to just three categoris then.

Singles, Couples, TV/TS

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By *rinterestingMan
over a year ago

London

Completely agree. They are completely different types of people and attract mostly completely different people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like someone just said, you can be pedantic when it comes to this sort of thing. Bi at least narrows it down to being bi.

These opinions seem awfully similar to another TS who was on the other week, making the same offensive generalisations about TVs. Are you by any chance related?

Just have your transition and come back on here as a woman. Then you'll meet the straight guys you seek. As any guys looking specifically for TS are not straight.

But if we're going to split the category fine, just means I'll get more attention when guys realise trying to find the hot slim big titted huge cocked TS from the porn they like is no easier than finding a single woman to meet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Im not looking too meet one, I have a friend who is about to have her operation and I have seen what she has gone through over the past few years.

Theres a few TSs on here who get lost amongst all the TVs when doing a search. And I understand that TVs get offended by thiquery, but deep down you must admit I am correct on the subject.

Gay and straight people can be separated by changing the 'who wants to meet' section, but theres no-way to separate the TS and TVs without having to go in to all the profiles and either read all the text or look at the photographs.

and no, I'm not rested to whoever you was talking about.

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By *honda19TV/TS
over a year ago

WIRRAL

totally agree babe i'm out and about and certainly don't dress "sluttily" unless my fella asks me to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do they "get lost" exactly? Put as your headline "I'm a TS" and leave it up to the person looking to do some work.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why should they have to say that tho? When at the click of the button they can both be separated?

Funny how its just TVs that are against my suggestion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should they have to say that tho? When at the click of the button they can both be separated?

Funny how its just TVs that are against my suggestion."

As I said, I'm all for it. It'll only be good for us TVs that make the effort.

But I'd still like to know why you want it? All I've seen from the TS that suggest this is a deep dislike of TV/CD. Like we are somehow insulting TS girls.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was made curious to it because elf my friend going through the operation.

It made me realise that this site treats them both the same when they are not, it would be simple enough to have them separated into two tick boxes when searching. It was more aimed at the site owners than the individual TVs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can of worms time. This was done to death recently and got right tetchy and eventually shut down by the powers that be.

Good luck with it!

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By *otTheReal01Man
over a year ago

London

It would make sense to split them into two categories.

It would also be nice to have more "Bi" categories.

And a "...who are looking for" filter on the Meets searches.

(it's a pain to have to manually filter out people who aren't looking to meet single guys as they're the majority much like the TV/TS situation)

C'mon FS! Sort the site out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As something to think on, how about if Fab decided to merge the M2F TS with Females? And F2Ms merged with Males. Im sure the genetic girls and guys would have something to say about that. But it's what you ultimately aspire to isn't it?

As surely, given your true gender that would be more appropriate than a totally separate category.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was made curious to it because elf my friend going through the operation.

If shes gone through the operation then she's female and can register as such. Where's the problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You breakdown every cstegory and end up judt clogging up site

Fully bi

Partialy bi

Orally bi

Bi curious about being fully bi or orally bi etc etc

Like someone just said, you can be pedantic when it comes to this sort of thing. Bi at least narrows it down to being bi.

'Slutty clothes and hiding behind your front door'?

What an incredibly rude person you are.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I was made curious to it because elf my friend going through the operation.

If shes gone through the operation then she's female and can register as such. Where's the problem? "

but she wont be a female she will still be transgendered.

Why are you just trying to cause drama for, the op's suggestion makes complete sense.

category's for men, women, couples, ts, and tv/cd.

shouldnt even be resistance to this.

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By *otTheReal01Man
over a year ago

London

I wouldn't have a problem with transitioned M2F or F2M TS having accounts in the Female or Male categories.

Obviously they'd need to make potential meets aware of the situation, no need to mislead people.

The only issue I can see is that then people looking specifically for TS would really be out of luck even more than now.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

How would one define TS?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would one define TS?

This looks like it could get interesting

I am waiting

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"How would one define TS?

This looks like it could get interesting

I am waiting "

If you like, you can wait with me in my bunker? It has 6' reinforced concrete walls and little viewing slits. It is in Berlin, which is a safe distance. I bought it cheap, one previous owner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would one define TS?

This looks like it could get interesting

I am waiting

If you like, you can wait with me in my bunker? It has 6' reinforced concrete walls and little viewing slits. It is in Berlin, which is a safe distance. I bought it cheap, one previous owner.

That would be probably be very nice, you sound a laugh

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

That would be probably be very nice, you sound a laugh "

Try spending any amount of time with me. It can get very wearing. Even I get fed up of hearing the sound of my own voice. I've tried ear plugs, letting my earwax build up, but no, I can't drown out the constant punning and so on. I would take a restraining order out on myself, but then who would pass me the loo roll when I'm in there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That would be probably be very nice, you sound a laugh

Use your fingers to wipe with ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should they have to say that tho? When at the click of the button they can both be separated?

Funny how its just TVs that are against my suggestion."

A transsexual wouldn't want to meet a woman, they are looking for sex with a straight man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should they have to say that tho? When at the click of the button they can both be separated?

Funny how its just TVs that are against my suggestion.

A transsexual wouldn't want to meet a woman, they are looking for sex with a straight man."

I know a lezza post op ts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a transsexual would be on the site as a woman. why would they need a separate label

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" a transsexual would be on the site as a woman. why would they need a separate label"

It's unfortunate everyone gets labelled according to their sexuality etc etc etc

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By *rcticstarWoman
over a year ago

Corsham

"I was made curious to it because elf my friend going through the operation.

If shes gone through the operation then she's female and can register as such. Where's the problem?

but she wont be a female she will still be transgendered.

Why are you just trying to cause drama for, the op's suggestion makes complete sense.

category's for men, women, couples, ts, and tv/cd.

shouldnt even be resistance to this."

that makes perfect sense

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

" a transsexual would be on the site as a woman. why would they need a separate label"

So you think it would be ok for a ts to meet men without them knowing she was previously a he? Just interested as I think a lot of men would find that a bit unfair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I defo agree. People complain about the increase of categories but filtering is there to help not hinder.

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By *rcticstarWoman
over a year ago

Corsham

But even the filters are tv/ts/cd. I would love to chat/meet with a TS as I knew a guy who had just started the process and we were going to live as a lesbian couple. Unfortunately he got too sick to carry on with it.

But with the joint filter I'm blocking TS aswell as TV and CD. No offence meant to you by the way x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

always makes me laugh this one!!

most people think a TS has got to have tits n cock...which is rubbish!!! as it isnt about looks!

i know both ts and tvs....some of which like anyone are sexy and some not so.

also guys think due to porn thats what a ts is...rubbish again! its down to looks, and also some ts dont take hormones and takes years and money too actually have surgery and every ts feels different anyways as to the lengths they go.

on here its about looks so no need for 2 seperate filters.

we could argue that a CD isnt a tv so yet another option available.

if u dont like look of someone then dont meet them...simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

on here its about looks so no need for 2 seperate filters"

Firstly, the above statement is entirely correct. You see it all the time, "only looking for convincing TS/TV". So a decent pic would stand out from the many pantie wearers wouldnt it? So a separate category is unnecessary as people have eyes.

Secondly, why shouldn't a M2F transsexual call herself female on here? Why should anyone keep the Trans prefix? Is that not the point of going through all that, to become what you truly are? And once you've transitioned fully, anyone still specifically looking to meet with a trans person obviously has ulterior motives for doing so, be it that they get off on the thought that you used to be equipped, or they see you as an easy lay. Either way I wouldn't be impressed with that.

And if someone would like to explain to me how this would be policed that'd be great. What's to stop me joining as a TS for example? What would the criteria be for joining as a TS? I assume we'd have to have a certain level of attractiveness as that seems to be the yardstick everyone is using to differentiate between us.

Look like a porn star=TS

Look like a bloke in knicks=TV/CD

This is only the reality if you know fuck all about the subject except what you've learned from porn.

So I say leave it as it is.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Reading this thread i can not be the only one thinking De-javu

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Reading this thread i can not be the only one thinking De-javu

Don't worry, you can join me in my bunker along with that couple from down South

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"Reading this thread i can not be the only one thinking De-javu

Don't worry, you can join me in my bunker along with that couple from down South

Me, you and a couple from the south in your bunker hmmmmmm whatever would we do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's absolutely nothing to stop a TS woman joining as a female anyway, post or pre-op.

TS and TV are worlds apart but there seems to be some kind of kudos/caché attached to the TS title, a little odd really as its just a medical condition After all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Jesus, i can't believe how far this has gone. Just a simple suggestion which makes perfect sense has been blown out of proportion by pedantic people.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"Jesus, i can't believe how far this has gone. Just a simple suggestion which makes perfect sense has been blown out of proportion by pedantic people."

Welcome to the open forums

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Its is mainly TVs that are objecting to it. Probably because they like being classed in the same category as a TS.

I bet most people who search the TS/TV section are actually looking for a TS so probably worried they will be missing out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" a transsexual would be on the site as a woman. why would they need a separate label

So you think it would be ok for a ts to meet men without them knowing she was previously a he? Just interested as I think a lot of men would find that a bit unfair."

Many straight married men meet and fuck TV's/TS's so wouldn't think they would think twice, so can't see why it would be unfair, what is in the past is in the past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair, you can't judge by just picture alone. A lot of the pictures on here of TVs and TSs aren't that clear.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"Its is mainly TVs that are objecting to it. Probably because they like being classed in the same category as a TS.

I bet most people who search the TS/TV section are actually looking for a TS so probably worried they will be missing out

I doubt that. Think its a bit open and if someone is searching for a TS rather than TV then i guess they would ask in their conversations

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Its is mainly TVs that are objecting to it. Probably because they like being classed in the same category as a TS.

I bet most people who search the TS/TV section are actually looking for a TS so probably worried they will be missing out

That is SO true!!!!! The amount of meets I get with people who don't realise I'm not a TS is totally UNREAL. I have to let down 20 guys a day and 30 on Wednesdays. keep it under your hat, though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its is mainly TVs that are objecting to it. Probably because they like being classed in the same category as a TS."

As I said, twice, Im happy for them to be split. As they'll become like rocking horse shit, even rarer than single bi women, and we'll get the disappointed men come looking in our category again. Where decent pics and a profile will stand out more.

"I bet most people who search the TS/TV section are actually looking for a TS so probably worried they will be missing out

That is SO true!!!!! The amount of meets I get with people who don't realise I'm not a TS is totally UNREAL. I have to let down 20 guys a day and 30 on Wednesdays. keep it under your hat, though.

Yeah I hate it when a guy messages me saying he'd like to meet me for some fun, and I say "Sorry but I'm a TV not a TS" and they don't mail me back. That sort of thing happens all the NEVER! As my many verifications show, I never have had sex off've here. They've all moved on to find a TS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How come fabswingers puts TVs and TSs in the same category, they are both completely different types of people so should have their own category when searching. Anyone else agree?"

Yes most definitely a category for each.. pre op, post op & tv

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Its a bit late (or early) to ask santa but my wish for xmas is to meet both jodie and tina

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Its a bit late (or early) to ask santa but my wish for xmas is to meet both jodie and tina

Sounds fun

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"Its a bit late (or early) to ask santa but my wish for xmas is to meet both jodie and tina

Sounds fun

Just need Jodie to agree and perhaps the OP and her friend going through the transition too. Now that would be fun

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

My understanding is that a ts is someone who feels they were born with the wrong body and is living full time as the opposite gender to which they were categorised as at birth.

This would include those taking hormones, not taking hormones, post-op, pre-op, female to male or male to female.

My understanding is that a tv/cd is a person who lives their every day life as per the gender the were categorised as at birth but for reasons of wellbeing, sexual gratification etc will also dress as a member of the opposite sex.

A tv will make an effort to be feminine, including makeup, shaving etc, some more successfully than others. A cd will not.

So, if my interpretations are correct I can quite understand why a transgender person would want a separate category to a transvestite or a cross dresser: their's is a full time, life changing choice, or necessity. Not a part time, often secretive, way to get in touch with their feminine (or masculine) side or for sexual gratification.

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By *rinterestingMan
over a year ago

London

"My understanding is that a ts is someone who feels they were born with the wrong body and is living full time as the opposite gender to which they were categorised as at birth.

This would include those taking hormones, not taking hormones, post-op, pre-op, female to male or male to female.

A tv will make an effort to be feminine, including makeup, shaving etc, some more successfully than others. A cd will not.

100% agree thats how I see it.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Why should they have to say that tho? When at the click of the button they can both be separated?

Funny how its just TVs that are against my suggestion."

I'm a woman, and as a woman I don't want to be put in the same category as a "modified" one.

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

forget all the catagories and just have a desription box to contain, gender and sexuality that is free to fill in as desired!!

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS
over a year ago

Bolton

"your suggestions seem to be going into too much detail as fabswingers have the tick box TV/Ts and not a Transgender/gender-fluid/transitioning tick box. Would it be so hard to just separate the two?

unfortunately you have to sort the wheat from.the chaff, like everyone else at present. i agree though, should be separate tv ts options x pre and post as generic options too x at least that would help a little x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been on another site that had separate CD/TV/TS/TG/GF/GQ categories. The majority of people there who classed themselves as TS weren't. It just made their dressing fantasy more 'real' by selecting TS. So while I completely agree with what you are saying, the truth is that it just doesn't work. Whatever a site does, all transgender people, no matter how different they are, will get lumped toget

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Copied from an earlier post by myself on another, similar, thread:

I struggle to see how this would be administered at a nuts and bolts level. How do you determine who is TS?

Is it someone who has completed all the ops and is now the opposite sex to their birth? Probably not, as the most appropriate group would now be either female or male.

Is it those who have completed a significant part of the process?

Would it be people who have just started hormone therapy?

How about those who feel they were born in the wrong sex, but have yet to take steps?

Or those who have moments where they feel more female than male?

Do we require evidence of any of the above or do we rely on the individual to be honest?

On another site, more specifically geared towards Chix, people can pick which category (Tv/Cd/TG, etc) that they feel most comfortable in and I've got three personal friends who have picked TG, yet spend 90% of their time in male mode.

I think the most sensible thing is to leave it as it is and let people decide whether the profile they are looking at matches the profile they are seeking.

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

"Copied from an earlier post by myself on another, similar, thread:

I struggle to see how this would be administered at a nuts and bolts level. How do you determine who is TS?

Is it someone who has completed all the ops and is now the opposite sex to their birth? Probably not, as the most appropriate group would now be either female or male.

Is it those who have completed a significant part of the process?

Would it be people who have just started hormone therapy?

How about those who feel they were born in the wrong sex, but have yet to take steps?

Or those who have moments where they feel more female than male?

Do we require evidence of any of the above or do we rely on the individual to be honest?

I think the most sensible thing is to leave it as it is and let people decide whether the profile they are looking at matches the profile they are seeking. "

I think the most sensible thing is to provide an extra category for a ts/tg, whichever stage of transition they are in, separate from a tv/cd category and leave it to the honest tv's to categorise themselves correctly.

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