FabSwingers.com forum: Bare back

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

It is entirely up to you both how you do things.....

Ignore anyone who attempts to tell you otherwise....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your choice but not for every one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only play bareback with my girlfriend. Anyone else is with protection. At the end of the day it is up to you guys how you play. After all you are both adults and are capable of making your own decisions. So go and enjoy yourselves

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

It's human nature I'm afraid. People like to give opinions even if they are not asked for.

You will never change it, it's ingrained.

I'm sure even if they are rude, they believe they are trying to do a social good. But in the end, it's for you to calculate the risks and rewards. But like all of us we live in society to expect to be judged.

We went swinging when pregnant. Now there is a big no no in the world of swinging.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Its all about trust with bareback if you trust each other that no one has any thing nasty then there is nothing better than bareback sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bare back is the best!!!

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

"Bare back is the best!!! "

Not if it's a hairy back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your grown adults you can do what you want, just as long as everyone is upfront then that's up to you, personally I wouldn't with casual partners but each to their own as they say.

At least your honest so people can choose to avoid you if they wish, it's the sneaky dishonest ones and the one who do it and don't get tested regularly that I have a prob with.

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By *awty bi coupleCouple
over a year ago

Wet Walsall

"Your grown adults you can do what you want, just as long as everyone is upfront then that's up to you, personally I wouldn't with casual partners but each to their own as they say.

At least your honest so people can choose to avoid you if they wish, it's the sneaky dishonest ones and the one who do it and don't get tested regularly that I have a prob with."

Exactly what I was about to say - let your preferences be known and if others don't agree, then they should just walk on by and look elsewhere - that's exactly what we say on our profile, if you're up-front about things, no-one can accuse you of trying to hide anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only with a select few my wife,to be sister n law,and one of my female coworkers all others i wrap it up

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By *eeds toy boyMan
over a year ago

leeds

You sleep with your sister in law ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only with a select few my wife,to be sister n law,and one of my female coworkers all others i wrap it up "

Your business is just that.

But if these three don't know about each other can I be there when you tell them?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing"

People do as they wish and rarely follow what others advise so its up to them the only thing they should do is make potential meets aware they play this way at times prior to meeting them so they know the score and can choose not to meet if its a problem for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing"

Absolutely right and good on you or being upfront about it. Bareback always feels much better to me but the only person I do that with is my fiancee.

Now, where's the woman that always posts 'great, now I know to avoid you' on these threads? Come on, show yourself...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your life, your choices. Not for us to judge or be critical of those choices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone on this site is able to make an informed choice. Which is how it should be. If there was some magic pill, that prevented disease etc, I think we all would play bb. Down to the individual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK DONT YOU GUYS ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??"

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your grown adults you can do what you want, just as long as everyone is upfront then that's up to you, personally I wouldn't with casual partners but each to their own as they say.

At least your honest so people can choose to avoid you if they wish, it's the sneaky dishonest ones and the one who do it and don't get tested regularly that I have a prob with.

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

For me bareback with my partner after both being tested and only condom free with each other and then confoms with everyone else x

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working "

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP - entirely up to you, don't be spoken down to or given a hard time over it.

Thankfully this is a broad church.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing"

It is up to you how you play. We don't and won't bb.

You can never be sure you are 100% clean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us "

Wow that's a bit weird.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird. "

Keep it in the family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

It would seem a tad hypocritical to point the finger at the guy who shags his sister in law, in the same thread where we are telling people that playing bareback is totally up to them as adults.

Right?

Just me then.....

In any case, both the OP and the dude who nails his sister in law are adults, so if that's what they want to do, best f luck to you both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would seem a tad hypocritical to point the finger at the guy who shags his sister in law, in the same thread where we are telling people that playing bareback is totally up to them as adults.

Right?

Just me then.....

In any case, both the OP and the dude who nails his sister in law are adults, so if that's what they want to do, best f luck to you both

She isnt related to me nor is my step brother she is simply a piece of skin on the side that is bare back safe

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie "

Just a thought but. ..

What if step brother is out of town playing around bareback with any number of women. ..

Comes home and fucks his mrs and passes on a nasty surprise....

Which she then kindly shares with you. ..

Then your wife gets it?

Oh but it's ok because you only play bareback with a 'select few'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

Just a thought but. ..

What if step brother is out of town playing around bareback with any number of women. ..

Comes home and fucks his mrs and passes on a nasty surprise....

Which she then kindly shares with you. ..

Then your wife gets it?

Oh but it's ok because you only play bareback with a 'select few' "

You are a 100% right going on six years now an no bumps lumps creams or pills needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us "

Meaningless sex??

Charming!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing"

Everything on this site is between consenting adults. If that's what you're looking for and are open and honest about it then that's up to you. Every individual is responsible for their own sexual health. Not something I would do but that's my choice and you are entitled to yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all have to die sometime, so why not enjoy your short time here, life is for living, enjoy every minute.

If you have dependents, it would be wise to make provisions, ie, a will so that when you do die, your affairs are in order.

I liken sex to driving, If you keep within the speed limits, you have a better chance of surviving an accident,

if you ignore the speed limits and have an accident, you are more likely to die.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing"

Just have to ask the question, how do you know you are 100% % clean and how to you guage or assess the cleanliness of the people you are playing with?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Tested reg and after playing

Both clean and our judgement of others down to us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter if people play bareback

if you use condoms it wont matter if the couple you meet previously played bb.otherwise that means you don't think condoms work.

we have done bareback

most have if they actually honest

which is a rare attribute on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would seem a tad hypocritical to point the finger at the guy who shags his sister in law, in the same thread where we are telling people that playing bareback is totally up to them as adults.

Right?

Just me then.....

In any case, both the OP and the dude who nails his sister in law are adults, so if that's what they want to do, best f luck to you both

If I'm reading the thread correctly - big difference. The OP are being honest in their choices. The guy shagging his sister in law is putting his own wife and step brother at risk as they are unaware of the risks their own partners are taking. Not nice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We generally play safe with others but have on a couple of occasions played bare, which we very clearly state on our profile, because we love it. We don't play bare with people on a 'trust' basis as we just assume that everyone we meet has played bare (as we don't know their histories). What does make us smile though are PMs we get from people who at some time or other have been known to be anti bare on here but want us to play with them BB!! Go with the flow, do your thing, advertise the fact if you want but always assume everyone has played bare even if they say they haven't.

Sister in law.... Bugger me, no thanks, but keep up the good work

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It doesn't matter if people play bareback

if you use condoms it wont matter if the couple you meet previously played bb.otherwise that means you don't think condoms work.

we have done bareback

most have if they actually honest

which is a rare attribute on here"

We are open and honest we like and makes us chuckle how many safe couples ask for bb or even when hubby ask for a crafty meet lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It doesn't matter if people play bareback

if you use condoms it wont matter if the couple you meet previously played bb.otherwise that means you don't think condoms work.

we have done bareback

most have if they actually honest

which is a rare attribute on here"

Well said ^^^^^^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only with a select few my wife,to be sister n law,and one of my female coworkers all others i wrap it up "

Everyone should sleep with their sil lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK DONT YOU GUYS ?

You guys have never made ur feelings totally clear...lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing

Absolutely right and good on you or being upfront about it. Bareback always feels much better to me but the only person I do that with is my fiancee.

Now, where's the woman that always posts 'great, now I know to avoid you' on these threads? Come on, show yourself..."

It's not me but it us my view

, which means I'm making an informed decision

for honesty

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By *ingerbicky69Woman
over a year ago

EXETER

Not for everyone, would be nice if you could carry a "Im clean card" from the GUM!

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Tested reg and after playing

Both clean and our judgement of others down to us "

So you "misjudge" someone, go to std clinic and ooops antibiotic resistant gonorrhoea, what do you do then?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Not for everyone, would be nice if you could carry a "Im clean card" from the GUM!

But straight after your first BB session you need to change card to "not to sure now but they did smell nice"

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By *ingerbicky69Woman
over a year ago

EXETER

"Not for everyone, would be nice if you could carry a "Im clean card" from the GUM!

But straight after your first BB session you need to change card to "not to sure now but they did smell nice"

"
pmsl!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's swinging and it's a free decision between consenting adults

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

"It's swinging and it's a free decision between consenting adults "

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By *ig jugsWoman
over a year ago

somewhere

Just be careful when doing bareback as some stds you csnt see.I had a partner for 5 yrs.And I caught herpes from him at the end of the 5 yrs.He knew he had had it and coz he hadnt had an outbreak for 7 yrs he didnt tell me hed had it.I now have it for life, and I have only had 2 outbreaks of it in 4 years, but I wouldnt do bareback with anyone now beacuse of it.I am not infectiuos at all unless im having an outbreak but still wouldnt chance giving it to another victim like I was x

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"It's swinging and it's a free decision between consenting adults "

But in the light of the upsurge in STDs and antibiotic resistant strains we would argue that it could be viewed by many as not being an informed decision. I wonder how many people in the UK thought like you, and are now HIV +ve? Tens of thousands?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Meaningless sex??

Charming!

Is that not what this site is about?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Just be careful when doing bareback as some stds you csnt see.I had a partner for 5 yrs.And I caught herpes from him at the end of the 5 yrs.He knew he had had it and coz he hadnt had an outbreak for 7 yrs he didnt tell me hed had it.I now have it for life, and I have only had 2 outbreaks of it in 4 years, but I wouldnt do bareback with anyone now beacuse of it.I am not infectiuos at all unless im having an outbreak but still wouldnt chance giving it to another victim like I was x

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

pity he didn't wear a rubber ... hope peeps remember they can catch it if they do oral with a cold sore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we sometimes do bareback.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"we sometimes do bareback."

Do you see that as something to boast about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working "

So you're both cheating......

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By *iggamanMan
over a year ago

London

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie "

WOW!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

WOW!

Wow family doesn't really mean a lot to you does it? If it did you wouldn't be hurting your wife, you'd think of your brother not some step brother, and you wouldn't be shagging your sister on law, you're a disgusting human being. I can't wait to hear what happens when you've told them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

WOW!

Meant to say you'd think of your brother like a real brother, not some stranger

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

Just a thought but. ..

What if step brother is out of town playing around bareback with any number of women. ..

Comes home and fucks his mrs and passes on a nasty surprise....

Which she then kindly shares with you. ..

Then your wife gets it?

Oh but it's ok because you only play bareback with a 'select few'

You are a 100% right going on six years now an no bumps lumps creams or pills needed "

You hope you don't need the creams or pills. Pop along to STD clinic to check

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

WOW!

What he said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just amazed he is so desirable

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By *ex.IncCouple
over a year ago

Castleford

"She isnt related to me nor is my step brother she is simply a piece of skin on the side that is bare back safe "

Frankly your sheer disrespect of women, or more so this particular woman is absolutely disgusting. Have some respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It doesn't matter if people play bareback

if you use condoms it wont matter if the couple you meet previously played bb.otherwise that means you don't think condoms work.

we have done bareback

most have if they actually honest

which is a rare attribute on here"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

Just a thought but. ..

What if step brother is out of town playing around bareback with any number of women. ..

Comes home and fucks his mrs and passes on a nasty surprise....

Which she then kindly shares with you. ..

Then your wife gets it?

Oh but it's ok because you only play bareback with a 'select few'

You are a 100% right going on six years now an no bumps lumps creams or pills needed "

I'd love to throw you off a cliff, you obviously have no respect for your wife, brother or sister in law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Wow that's a bit weird.

Keep it in the family

He just my step brother no biggie

WOW!

They might all be well aware. People sometimes have sex with other people consensually, even if they aren't married to them. I think it's called swinging.

If they don't all know.... it's a different word......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You sleep with your sister in law ??

Yeah just when my brother is out of town working

Oh well, that's ok then, at least you won't get caught!!!

Not really worried about getting caught her and i were f-buddies before they got together its just meaningless sex between us

Meaningless sex??

Charming!

My thoughts exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm just amazed he is so desirable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I simply love you people and your opinions not that i care what you think about me have a great day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

each to their own.

would rather people be upfront with 'unsafe' sex than hide the fact.

means you can make an educated decision as to whether to engage in sexual activity with that person or not.

not our thing, but then nothing to do with us either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I simply love you people and your opinions not that i care what you think about me have a great day

Do your wife and sister in law know about each other? If not I hope it comes back to bite your dick so you don't do it again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I simply love you people and your opinions not that i care what you think about me have a great day

Do your wife and sister in law know about each other? If not I hope it comes back to bite your dick so you don't do it again"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I simply love you people and your opinions not that i care what you think about me have a great day

Do your wife and sister in law know about each other? If not I hope it comes back to bite your dick so you don't do it again"

Wow bitter bitter bitter people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I simply love you people and your opinions not that i care what you think about me have a great day

Do your wife and sister in law know about each other? If not I hope it comes back to bite your dick so you don't do it again

Wow bitter bitter bitter people "

give it time.

someone will say its jelousy soon.

must say, however, your family dynamic is fucked if ever someone falls out with someone else.

good luck to you.

hope we dont have another John Bobbit on our hands.

you Yanks are mad crazy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I simply love you people and your opinions not that i care what you think about me have a great day

Do your wife and sister in law know about each other? If not I hope it comes back to bite your dick so you don't do it again

Wow bitter bitter bitter people

give it time.

someone will say its jelousy soon.

must say, however, your family dynamic is fucked if ever someone falls out with someone else.

good luck to you.

hope we dont have another John Bobbit on our hands.

you Yanks are mad crazy"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I simply love you people and your opinions not that i care what you think about me have a great day

Do your wife and sister in law know about each other? If not I hope it comes back to bite your dick so you don't do it again

Wow bitter bitter bitter people "

No just sensible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everybody has their own adventure in life

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By *he Master JMan
over a year ago

Southall

"Only with a select few my wife,to be sister n law,and one of my female coworkers all others i wrap it up

Everyone should sleep with their sil lol"

You wouldn't say that if you had met my sil

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Everybody has their own adventure in life "

Fucking your brothers wife is an "adventure"? Lets hope he finds out and fucks your wife.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

It's true everyone is free to make their own choices in life.

I would also say it's true that people have the right not to be judged.

However, people also have the right (within certain limits) to say what they think.

You could debate it all day long, but once you post something on a forum, in my humble opinion that's when you have opened the door for everyone to walk through.

Personally I don't care, but if you start a thread saying we do BB, or post I'm nobbling my SIL. Then come on, it's like open season at that point.

Once you put it in the public domain, then people are bound to let their feelings be known.

I have far more sympathy for those who keep themselves to themselves, but get nasty untrue gossip spread about them just because someone wants to be nasty about anyone.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

As for the fucking the SIL.

I can't say I approve, but technically it's no worse than cheating with anyone else. Socially, Emotionally and psychologically it maybe if they ever get found out.

But I'm a realist and some people can get away with it.

Also for some people cheating is not that big an issue. It does not mean the end of the relationship and in some circles it's kinda expected, or at least not unexpected.

Honestly in my job I've seen a lot more crazy set ups.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As for the fucking the SIL.

I can't say I approve, but technically it's no worse than cheating with anyone else. Socially, Emotionally and psychologically it maybe if they ever get found out.

But I'm a realist and some people can get away with it.

Also for some people cheating is not that big an issue. It does not mean the end of the relationship and in some circles it's kinda expected, or at least not unexpected.

Honestly in my job I've seen a lot more crazy set ups."

I like the way you think

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By *uimlickerCouple
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

The problem isnt the fact that some people go BB, its the fact that honesty can bring ridicule. We as a group should, promote acceptance and trust.

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By *iggamanMan
over a year ago

London

"As for the fucking the SIL.

I can't say I approve, but technically it's no worse than cheating with anyone else. Socially, Emotionally and psychologically it maybe if they ever get found out.

But I'm a realist and some people can get away with it.

Also for some people cheating is not that big an issue. It does not mean the end of the relationship and in some circles it's kinda expected, or at least not unexpected.

Honestly in my job I've seen a lot more crazy set ups."

I'm wondering what you do for a living now

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By *ilthy fun bareCouple
over a year ago

Ripon

"We do like it and are 100% clean we get messaged from other couples it's between consenting adults

Should be up to the couples playing"

We agree it should be up to the couples that play. We are all adults and can make our own minds up. That's what we enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In this day and age we are all very well aware of the pros and cons of BB.

Having said that we are all human and subect to the passions an d desires that make us human.

In the heat of the moment all tge common sence in the world can go out of the window.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course it should be up to the adults, but you should be making an educated choice about the risks.

Ive worked with people who have HIV and Hep C, taking up to 20 tablets per day and being sick while adjusting to meds and trying to find the right ones, brings home the grim reality that this is not worth a moments passion, for a lifetime of pain and medication.

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