FabSwingers.com forum: Police ask for condom ban in Edinburgh saunas

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over a year ago

Condoms Police said they would not want to see items of a sexual nature in saunas

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Police want condoms banned from Edinburgh's licensed saunas.

Police Scotland has written to the city council arguing that if it grants licences for five saunas it should be on condition that no items of a sexual nature are allowed on the premises.

Sex workers' charity Scot-pep has condemned the police proposal saying it could lead to an HIV epidemic.

A council decision on new licence rules could end Edinburgh's more tolerant attitude to the sex trade.

Campaigners for a safer sex trade have said that any ban on condoms would not stop people having sex but it would result in unprotected sex and higher rates of HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.

Earlier this year, six other saunas had their licences suspended following raids across Edinburgh.

Nadine Stott, a board member of the charity Scot-Pep, which campaigns for the rights of sex workers, said: "This goes against all basic common sense. It also places Scotland really out of step with the rest of the world.

"The World Health Organisation (WHO) just last week released guidelines on sex workers and HIV that specifically stated where countries use condoms as evidence of sex work that should be stopped immediately."

She added: "We are really shocked that, in private, the police have been quite clear to us. They said that the policy (on saunas) wasn't changing.

"We think this highlights how inappropriate the police are as a regulatory body of sex workers in a criminal context."

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A Police Scotland spokesman said: "Police Scotland recently provided reports to the Council Regulatory Committee in respect of a number of public entertainment licence renewals.

"In cases where there was evidence of criminality or premises operating out-with the conditions of their licence, objections were made to those licences being renewed.

"Police Scotland will continue to work with partners to inspect and report on licensed premises operating within Edinburgh in order to keep people safe.

"Whenever criminal activity, or licensing contraventions are detected within these venues, officers will respond appropriately and report all offences to the relevant authority."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I for one am getting fed up of the British Police Force.... once the Police was called a Police Service and they "served" the public.... seems these days that they "Force" the public....

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Er, I think it's the other way round.

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By *hocksandmissusCouple
over a year ago

Chester-ish

may be there is not enough death and illness in the world already and Scotland wants to do its part to help bring those numbers back up xxxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Er, I think it's the other way round."

Really???

you need to get out more, open your eyes... we are more of a Police state than we have ever been, unless things happen that's where we are heading.

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By *hocksandmissusCouple
over a year ago

Chester-ish

heading think we have all ready crossed the border and are heading for city central xxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"heading think we have all ready crossed the border and are heading for city central xxxxxxxxx"

I agree, if PLEBGATE can happen, (which may have changed the course of Politics, which is a pretty immense offence), what hope as the "average Joe" got against a Copper with a truth problem??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I strongly suspect that the Lothian police would not be approaching this issue in the way they are doing without already having secured the support/agreement or indeed instruction of senior & influential local counsellors.

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By *hocksandmissusCouple
over a year ago

Chester-ish

sheep in a field just following the rest around in a daze it is all we are to the government add that to the policy of the rich get richer and screw every one else then theres not really a great deal to look forwards to for the next few years atleast xxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if it were a brothel opening up, then yes, i can see there being concern for a stop to sexual protection, but its a sauna.

am i missing something or are saunas now the place to go for illicit sex?

i always thought a sauna was somewhere to go if you were on a health kick or summat.

think im getting old.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"sheep in a field just following the rest around in a daze it is all we are to the government add that to the policy of the rich get richer and screw every one else then theres not really a great deal to look forwards to for the next few years atleast xxxxxxxx "

Completely agree with you, I wish I couldn't!!

This is the Police Oath

I, .. .. of .. .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law."

Problem is - The Twats making the Laws up, Tony Blair should be first against the wall!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why blame the police they are following the law as the Saunas are not being used as that but as places for sex. Its the law that is at odds and the owners masquerading sex venues as saunas which in reality they are not.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"Er, I think it's the other way round.

Really???

you need to get out more, open your eyes... we are more of a Police state than we have ever been, unless things happen that's where we are heading."

I meant it used to be called a Police Force but is now a Police Service but thanks for the advice. I'll make sure I don't go out with my eyes shut.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Perhaps you are missing the point.

Define Service and Define Force.

Once you have done that perhaps ensure that your local Chief Constable is aware of what they mean and exactly "who" they are supposed to serve.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I strongly suspect that the Lothian police would not be approaching this issue in the way they are doing without already having secured the support/agreement or indeed instruction of senior & influential local counsellors."

Who, in turn, are being told what to do by the hierarchy of certain churches.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Perhaps you are missing the point.

Define Service and Define Force.

Once you have done that perhaps ensure that your local Chief Constable is aware of what they mean and exactly "who" they are supposed to serve.

We don't have local Chief Constables or even local police forces in Scotland.

One Chief and one force for the whole of Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bad luck.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Perhaps you are missing the point.

Define Service and Define Force.

Once you have done that perhaps ensure that your local Chief Constable is aware of what they mean and exactly "who" they are supposed to serve.

We don't have local Chief Constables or even local police forces in Scotland.

One Chief and one force for the whole of Scotland."

In many ways this is getting closer to a Police State in Scotland than in the UK!!

About time you had something before the rest of the "United" Kingdom....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

In many ways this is getting closer to a Police State in Scotland than in the UK!!

........."

I won't bore folks with all the details but anyone worried about Scotland becoming a police state should check out plans to remove the need for corroboration of evidence in criminal trials.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"......

In many ways this is getting closer to a Police State in Scotland than in the UK!!

.........

I won't bore folks with all the details but anyone worried about Scotland becoming a police state should check out plans to remove the need for corroboration of evidence in criminal trials."

Now that is a scarey thought - Oh it is more than a thought, it is likely to happen!!

How many are just going to accept this..... Bloody Daily Mail Readers!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

In many ways this is getting closer to a Police State in Scotland than in the UK!!

.........

I won't bore folks with all the details but anyone worried about Scotland becoming a police state should check out plans to remove the need for corroboration of evidence in criminal trials.

Now that is a scarey thought - Oh it is more than a thought, it is likely to happen!!

How many are just going to accept this..... Bloody Daily Mail Readers!!!"

This is the proposal from Kenny MacAskill, the man who sent Megrahi 'home to die'.

The plan is for the word of one person to be enough to secure a conviction. At a time when the Mitchell business has been resurrected, that's maybe not the smartest idea.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"......

In many ways this is getting closer to a Police State in Scotland than in the UK!!

.........

I won't bore folks with all the details but anyone worried about Scotland becoming a police state should check out plans to remove the need for corroboration of evidence in criminal trials.

Now that is a scarey thought - Oh it is more than a thought, it is likely to happen!!

How many are just going to accept this..... Bloody Daily Mail Readers!!!

This is the proposal from Kenny MacAskill, the man who sent Megrahi 'home to die'.

The plan is for the word of one person to be enough to secure a conviction. At a time when the Mitchell business has been resurrected, that's maybe not the smartest idea."

Also it has been recommended that ALL officers are fitted with cameras and microphones....

See they are advertising for editors and those good with special effects!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The most scarey thing about the "Plebgate" - is the ranks of the officers involved....

The rot is too well established and goes too high up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sex is an easy target, it gets headline inches and creates a champion for the people.

In the gay world saunas are were men meet for sex. Gay, Bi and straight men.

Men who do this say it is exciting, strings free, just a place to empty their balls, and have fun.

It use to be public toilets, until they were closed.

Saunas in a health club, which is more or less a public place, is no place for sex, people go for health reasons and relaxation.

Saunas are being targeted now, but next will be swinging clubs, because they also facilitate sex, and usually have condoms available for customers.

People who are affected by swinging in a negative way, will welcome this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sex is an easy target, it gets headline inches and creates a champion for the people.

In the gay world saunas are were men meet for sex. Gay, Bi and straight men.

Men who do this say it is exciting, strings free, just a place to empty their balls, and have fun.

It use to be public toilets, until they were closed.

Saunas in a health club, which is more or less a public place, is no place for sex, people go for health reasons and relaxation.

Saunas are being targeted now, but next will be swinging clubs, because they also facilitate sex, and usually have condoms available for customers.

People who are affected by swinging in a negative way, will welcome this."

We got stopped by the police near a gay cruising/dogging area... the Copper only talked about Naked men and TV's and other freaks..... I almost said to him...." you never mentioned deviant married couples like us".... but then there was a reason he only mentioned gay men!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

Saunas are being targeted now, but next will be swinging clubs, because they also facilitate sex, and usually have condoms available for customers.

......."

Almost inevitably.

Scotland is still a very conservative (with a small c) country. For many, sex is what coal is delivered in in Morningside.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's always easier targeting minorities, and the police have a record of doing this stretching back along their history.

I don't expect to see Boots etc from having their retail licences renewed, as they also sell condoms there etc.

We need some joined up thinking, from mature adults, that respects others, their liberties and responsibility for themselves. Licences should be renewed, for running cinemas, saunas etc, based on whether safety records etc are upheld.

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By *heirishboy121Man
over a year ago

Enniskillen Northen ireland

im confused so the police force /service is telling grown adults that the use of a condon to stop the spread of all manner of things is to be banned in saunas just how stupid are the so called people in charge so can any one name the wanker that came up with this drivel

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It was all Sophie!!

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By *heirishboy121Man
over a year ago

Enniskillen Northen ireland

ok lol now totally confused lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It was not Sophie, my op is a cut and paste from BBC news website!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"im confused so the police force /service is telling grown adults that the use of a condon to stop the spread of all manner of things is to be banned in saunas just how stupid are the so called people in charge so can any one name the wanker that came up with this drivel"

no thats not the case at all although reading the way things are twisted on here I can see how you may see it that way.

In simple terms the law not the police are saying 'A sauna is for getting a sauna in not getting fucked' and so providing condoms in a sauna is not applicable as its not in MacDonald's.

The fact is club owners are calling clubs to fuck in as sauna's not fuck clubs and licenses to run sauna's have been granted not licenses for clubs to meet and fuck in.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Thanks PinchOfSalt - I didn't read it all very fully, but the reality is that they're just moving in on a minority, without care for the unintended consequences of their actions. Are they bothered if hiv infection and health care budgets increase, people die, including potentially children of adults who get infected? I'm thinking they don't even put much effort behind what is likely a prejudice, pure and simple. I'd expect better from the Scottish government, who should stop such police interference.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If it stays in force, we'll have to have protest lines outside, handing out condoms and lube, before people enter.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

Old Maggie did the same in the 80s when Edinburgh authorities started a needle exchange in light of rise in HiV and Hep B cases. The usual suspects, Daily Mail readers, were offended and old Queen Maggie put a stop to it. Lo and behold, Edinburgh became the HIV capital of Scotland.

The Police should stick to what it knows best, lying, perjury, setting people up, violence, heavy handiness, corruption, bullying etc and leave community health teams to look after sex workers.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

In simple terms the law not the police are saying 'A sauna is for getting a sauna in not getting fucked' and so providing condoms in a sauna is not applicable as its not in MacDonald's.

........"

That's not quite the case. There's a common denominator here in the form of Chief Constable Stephen House.

He was previously CC of Strathclyde and I know people here will have tales to tell of sauna/ massage places and adult clubs being closed or have restrictions placed on them, supposedly 'by the council' but always on the advice of police.

House is now CC of Police Scotland and is doing in Edinburgh what he did in Glasgow.

His justification is that the vast majority of people don't use, want or need massage parlours or swingers clubs.

He's probably right but, then again, the vast majority of people don't use, want or need churches.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Old Maggie did the same in the 80s when Edinburgh authorities started a needle exchange in light of rise in HiV and Hep B cases. The usual suspects, Daily Mail readers, were offended and old Queen Maggie put a stop to it. Lo and behold, Edinburgh became the HIV capital of Scotland.

The Police should stick to what it knows best, lying, perjury, setting people up, violence, heavy handiness, corruption, bullying etc and leave community health teams to look after sex workers."

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"...........

In simple terms the law not the police are saying 'A sauna is for getting a sauna in not getting fucked' and so providing condoms in a sauna is not applicable as its not in MacDonald's.

........

That's not quite the case. There's a common denominator here in the form of Chief Constable Stephen House.

House is now CC of Police Scotland and is doing in Edinburgh what he did in Glasgow.

His justification is that the vast majority of people don't use, want or need massage parlours or swingers clubs.

He's probably right but, then again, the vast majority of people don't use, want or need churches."

Excellent comment on churches, there is a moral argument for the closure of churches.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"...In simple terms the law not the police are saying 'A sauna is for getting a sauna in not getting fucked' and so providing condoms in a sauna is not applicable as its not in MacDonald's.

The fact is club owners are calling clubs to fuck in as sauna's not fuck clubs and licenses to run sauna's have been granted not licenses for clubs to meet and fuck in.

But gay pubs, clubs, coffee shops etc provide condoms and lube, as they're meeting points for a targeted community that is in a minority, and thus providing them absolutely everywhere would not target them specifically. Just as with all marketing, it's much more effective to identify who you want, and then communicate with them via direct channels. Provision of condoms does not equal sex, which is why you can walk into a chemist or NHS clinic and get them. It's only being done out of bigotry.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Churches and religion.

Best con ever done to mankind.

I think the church should sell just half of what it own's and end this countries recession.

regligion, cause of more war, death and suffering than any racist or homophobe.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

Wonder if the chief Constable is a member of the wee free or other faith that condoms sex workers!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"if it were a brothel opening up, then yes, i can see there being concern for a stop to sexual protection, but its a sauna.

am i missing something or are saunas now the place to go for illicit sex?

i always thought a sauna was somewhere to go if you were on a health kick or summat.

think im getting old."

I think i am with you...

the intent is a good intentioned one, that "sauna" is not turned into "brothel".......

up to a point is does show a great amount of nievity as to what a lot of people currently use them for.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chief constable Richard Bigg

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

A little taster of independence. Just you wait till they can *really* force their morality down your throat.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A little taster of independence. Just you wait till they can *really* force their morality down your throat."

Separation isn't going to happen. It was never going to happen but Grangemouth has just reinforced the No vote.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"A little taster of independence. Just you wait till they can *really* force their morality down your throat.

Separation isn't going to happen. It was never going to happen but Grangemouth has just reinforced the No vote."

Can we have a promise that in the event of a NO, we never, ever ever ever have to hear anything about Scottish independence again.

Please ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A little taster of independence. Just you wait till they can *really* force their morality down your throat.

Separation isn't going to happen. It was never going to happen but Grangemouth has just reinforced the No vote.

Can we have a promise that in the event of a NO, we never, ever ever ever have to hear anything about Scottish independence again.

Please ?"

No promises I'm afraid. There's Nats out there who'd hold a vote every day in life "until the people of Scotland get the answer right".

Fortunately these bams are in a minority.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

Scots Law is being gralloched by Kenny MacAskill for his own political ends.

One police force for a country the size and diversity of Scotland? One Fire and Rescue Service?

No corroboration required? If a polis says you did it, you did it ?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

Scots Law is being gralloched by Kenny MacAskill for his own political ends.

One police force for a country the size and diversity of Scotland? One Fire and Rescue Service?

No corroboration required? If a polis says you did it, you did it ?"

And yet we have one RAF, many units, one Army, many regiments, one RN, many ships. That seems to work! Oh, lets not gorget tri service posts.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Policing should be as local as possible. Nobody, I hope, is suggesting tasking 3 Scots with patrolling Sauchiehall St on a Friday night.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I raised the point, as there are several cultural areas where the Presbyterian mores of Scotland have been checked by the fact that Scotland is part of the UK. If Scotland were to leave the UK, then it's highly possible that it will become a much less liberal place, with a much more puritanical streak.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Sorted. Police Scotland has seen the light.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?"

I'm not sure it's anything specifically Presbyterian.

If you're looking for a 'much less liberal place' nearby, you need only look to Eire.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?"

Are you actually serious? What is this based on? Making such a sweeping statement based on your suspicion?

The church in Scotland does not have the fan base it used to have and it will never be able make Scotland a less liberal.

Do you read the daily mail?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The problem is that ALL the churches still have considerable influence from the pulpit.

If your priest or minister or whatever reminds you that politician A supports abortion or politician B doesn't support denominational schools, that politician is dead in the water.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?

Are you actually serious? What is this based on? Making such a sweeping statement based on your suspicion?

The church in Scotland does not have the fan base it used to have and it will never be able make Scotland a less liberal.

Do you read the daily mail?

It's taken us a while to reply ... we have only just stopped laughing.

*You* don't live in Scotland. Neither do we. What do the Scots think about it ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?

Are you actually serious? What is this based on? Making such a sweeping statement based on your suspicion?

The church in Scotland does not have the fan base it used to have and it will never be able make Scotland a less liberal.

Do you read the daily mail?

It's taken us a while to reply ... we have only just stopped laughing.

*You* don't live in Scotland. Neither do we. What do the Scots think about it ?"

About a single police force? Probably split on SNP v the other parties lines.

On closing saunas, swing clubs, no condoms etc? It will pass most folk by without notice. Older folk who notice will mostly be pleased. Younger folk will shrug their shoulders.

Politicians, local and Holyrood, will congratulate themselves on being the guardians of public morals. Nobody loses votes on that platform in Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no thats not the case at all although reading the way things are twisted on here I can see how you may see it that way.

In simple terms the law not the police are saying 'A sauna is for getting a sauna in not getting fucked' and so providing condoms in a sauna is not applicable as its not in MacDonald's.

The fact is club owners are calling clubs to fuck in as sauna's not fuck clubs and licenses to run sauna's have been granted not licenses for clubs to meet and fuck in.

Does that really matter when you buy condoms in toilets of hotels, pubs, restaurants... Where people choose to fuck is up to them. Or is supplying condoms on the premises being seen as inviting people to fuck on the premises?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The real issue is that people don't like the idea that council licensed premises are used for sex and think of them as no different to brothels.

The old 'we're not breaking the law. They're only paying for the girl 's time' argument is wearing thin.

Factor in the belief that some of the girls are illegal or trafficked + the owners are making good money and the douce folk of Edinburgh don't really like it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Seven of the thirteen licence applications were granted last night.

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By *onkey_kong_2Man
over a year ago

Peterborough

I for one think it's the right thing to do, unless it is specifically for 'adult entertainment' then sex should not be allowed in normal operating saunas.

If people choose to have sex in a properly advertised 'adult sauna' then I see no problem at all it, everyone knows where they stand and what to expect.

I am no prude by any stretch, but I believe there is a time and a place and should respect other peoples use of venues. It is wrong to assume that because we may like sex in saunas that everyone else must pander to 'our needs'!

My post isn't to offend anyone, but to really point out that we have to respect others and some places quite rightly should be off limits.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?

Are you actually serious? What is this based on? Making such a sweeping statement based on your suspicion?

The church in Scotland does not have the fan base it used to have and it will never be able make Scotland a less liberal.

Do you read the daily mail?

It's taken us a while to reply ... we have only just stopped laughing.

*You* don't live in Scotland. Neither do we. What do the Scots think about it ?"

You assume one of us is not Scottish and that is based on? Born in a village north of Stirling and schooled in Glasgow. I think that makes me Scottish and surely that gives me the right to an opinion in Scottish matters.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

I know that isn't directed at me and this isn't directed but I'd like to point out that quite a few Scots (Sean Connery, Jim McColl, Alan Cumming etc) who don't live here, can't wait to tell us how our country ought to be run.

Some, like Cumming, have even bought a cheapo flat in Edinburgh just so they get a vote.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I for one am getting fed up of the British Police Force.... once the Police was called a Police Service and they "served" the public.... seems these days that they "Force" the public....

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Its the other way round!

Once the Police were part of the armed forces and were covered by military law as well as civil law...Police Force.

Then they became the Police Service and were no longer covered by military law.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"...........

Some, like Cumming, have even bought a cheapo flat in Edinburgh just so they get a vote."

Not all of us have a choice where we live, some due to family commitments can't move back to Scotland. I can't vote in Scotland but did exercise a proxy vote when I was in military. Sadly I can't afford a second home so I could be one of the "bams" you refer to.

I do think I have a right to express my views in the same way people in Scotland can air theirs on matters related to England, Europe and the rest of the world.

As always it has been fun

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over a year ago

Forgive me if i'm wrong here. But aren't the police saying that saunas should be used for a sauna? And they are asking why you would need a condom hanging off your dick while sitting in a steam room? They are trying to close down fuck shops masquerading as saunas and maybe feel, (rightly or wrongly), that the way to do this is use the licence agreement against the owners.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Forgive me if i'm wrong here. But aren't the police saying that saunas should be used for a sauna? And they are asking why you would need a condom hanging off your dick while sitting in a steam room? They are trying to close down fuck shops masquerading as saunas and maybe feel, (rightly or wrongly), that the way to do this is use the licence agreement against the owners.

The council recognises that these facilities are used for more than just saunas. They are taking a liberal view whereas the Police appear to be taken morale position. You know, the Police services that over recent years gave shown high morale standards within their organisation.

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over a year ago

Morale position? Don't you mean legal position? Surely it's against the law to use establishments for a purpose to which is against their licence agreement?

Also, aren't these places associated with gang activity? Or do people just assume that it's Ma and Pa Brown that run these places?

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?

Are you actually serious? What is this based on? Making such a sweeping statement based on your suspicion?

The church in Scotland does not have the fan base it used to have and it will never be able make Scotland a less liberal.

Do you read the daily mail?

It's taken us a while to reply ... we have only just stopped laughing.

*You* don't live in Scotland. Neither do we. What do the Scots think about it ?

Er, did I say you're not Scottish ? I did not, and object to being misquoted. I said you're not IN SCOTLAND. Thank you.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Do any of them actually HAVE saunas?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"What has this discussion got to do with Scottish independence? Scots Law is centuries old, nothing to do with independence, and nothing to do with the actions of Police in Edinburgh.

I suspect an independent Scotland would officially take a very dim view of swinging, hence my comment. Quite appropriate on a swinging site, no ?

Are you actually serious? What is this based on? Making such a sweeping statement based on your suspicion?

The church in Scotland does not have the fan base it used to have and it will never be able make Scotland a less liberal.

Do you read the daily mail?

It's taken us a while to reply ... we have only just stopped laughing.

*You* don't live in Scotland. Neither do we. What do the Scots think about it ?

Er, did I say you're not Scottish ? I did not, and object to being misquoted. I said you're not IN SCOTLAND. Thank you."

You said "what do Scots think about it", whatdoes that infer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we expect to see condom machines removed from public toilets to prevent cottaging?

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

Not in a lot of places, they just lock up the toilets instead and they complain about the knock on issueslike public urination.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

.......... quite a few Scots (Sean Connery, Jim McColl, Alan Cumming etc) who don't live here, can't wait to tell us how our country ought to be run.

Some, like Cumming, have even bought a cheapo flat in Edinburgh just so they get a vote."

Lothian Valuation Joint Board has launched an investigation into whether Cumming's purchase is no more than a con to try to secure a vote next September.

Turns out Cumming may well have wasted £82,000. A fool and his money, eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck da police

Ya get me

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Fuck da police

Ya get me"

That was one of the perks of the job at one time.

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