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"Thought I best make it politically correct and include guys.. however it's come to my attention in the other thread that many seem to still look down on the sex workers. Now I'm not talking about those forced into it.. just the ones that happily choose too.. Now I honestly don't see much difference between what I do as a swinger to what I did when I worked.. (don't do it now) Well except the pay obviously... Now I still met on my terms, met guys I wanted to. Refused those not to my liking... Etc. Then I see it all the time that women on here make demands... Meals, guys to pay etc.. underwear brought etc... Guys accompany women to clubs and yes okay it's cheaper for them but I see it as while money hasn't directly been exchanged it's very little difference.. I actually don't expect anything but my first drink on a social paid for and till I partnered up I would not let a guy take me to a club as I didn't want to feel obligated to someone. So why are those that choose to work in the sexual world still looked down on..? And are they seen as less than porn stars that are still having sex for money.. " Each person will differ but some people find it morally offensive. I think I agree with you that where there is no coercion then I dont see the problem. Unfortunately there is coercion often. I do think that all of us being on a swinging site should not be too quick to judge given many would consider our activities morally outlandish | |||
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"I applaud the ones who are upfront about it, this may not be the place for them to do their business but better they be honest than the players who are looking for mugs to fund their play in many underhand approaches.."  | |||
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"I think the guys that protest about it so much are probably the ones that can't get laid without paying for it. Of course that's not the only reason people (men mainly) pay, for some it's a time thing." I actually think the main reason men pay is nothing to do with the way they look or if they can get laid otherwise, its just a safe bet, you meet a escort, do what you have to do, leave and never hear from them again which a lot like, even on here you don't always get that, you do from time to time get people fall for you, text you unwanted etc some just like the hassle free approach | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded. "
it is also the same when some people discuss vanilla ( stupid word ), they make out that we swingers are superior sexual beings
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"Im possibly a bit confused but are you saying when i went to visit a club with a friend of mine, and he paid our entry fee,thats not much different to a prostitute???? If so i think i disagree!!! " Im not sure how you got to that from what she originally meant. She's not comparing you to a prostitute. | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
it is also the same when some people discuss vanilla ( stupid word ), they make out that we swingers are superior sexual beings
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"I do it. Got sick of guys here wanting to meet for essentially a bj on the way home to the wife. They'd show up, shoot their bolt within minutes and leave, tripping over themselves to get out the door. I'd get fuck all satisfaction. So I saw a niche up here for those services, now the pay gives me satisfaction and I've perhaps saved some other poor sod from getting pestering email from these guys. If I look down on anyone its them a little bit. And before anyone whinges to admin I'm on this site for fun, because believe it or not I like sex with people I like!" | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded. "I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem"I also think that some people are scared that sex workers are less "safe" than other people....I imagine that the opposite is true. One of my daughters friends happily goes into the toilets at clubs every single weekend and has sex with different random men I know who I'd rather trust. Blow jobs for a tenner? That's reasonable  | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem"But so what if you were offering blow jobs for a tenner?! I really don't understand why people get so uptight about money changing hands. It's just sex. Woman A has sex with guys for £50. Woman B has sex with guys that buy her a drink.  | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem
But so what if you were offering blow jobs for a tenner?! I really don't understand why people get so uptight about money changing hands. It's just sex.
Woman A has sex with guys for £50. Woman B has sex with guys that buy her a drink.
"to be fair it is against chameleons rules to exchange money for sex in there, but I never did, I went to clubs like that for the same reason as everyone else, some just find that hard to believe | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem
But so what if you were offering blow jobs for a tenner?! I really don't understand why people get so uptight about money changing hands. It's just sex.
Woman A has sex with guys for £50. Woman B has sex with guys that buy her a drink.
to be fair it is against chameleons rules to exchange money for sex in there, but I never did, I went to clubs like that for the same reason as everyone else, some just find that hard to believe "Sorry, I didn't mean to infer that you were asking for or taking money there. I just meant that it was none of their business whether you were or not. Everyone is entitled to have fun. | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem"I wonder if any of the complainers personally saw your pics on that site? If so then you'd have to wonder what the hypocrites were doing there in the first place | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem
I wonder if any of the complainers personally saw your pics on that site? If so then you'd have to wonder what the hypocrites were doing there in the first place"it a website of a well known club, people will look, I still go get a lot of messages on here from guys asking if im ***** from the ***** club, in this scene its a small world funny thing is lots of men who mail me on here get turned on my the fact I worked in the club, I think getting a free shag by a woman who charges is a turn on to a lot, its always seemed to be women who was bitchy towards me, whenever I got negative comments in chameleons it was always women complaining and trying to get me kicked out, never men I don't work there anymore but I guarantee if I went back to chameleons and a certain few people was there the stigma would still stick | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem
I wonder if any of the complainers personally saw your pics on that site? If so then you'd have to wonder what the hypocrites were doing there in the first place
it a website of a well known club, people will look, I still go get a lot of messages on here from guys asking if im ***** from the ***** club, in this scene its a small world
funny thing is lots of men who mail me on here get turned on my the fact I worked in the club, I think getting a free shag by a woman who charges is a turn on to a lot, its always seemed to be women who was bitchy towards me, whenever I got negative comments in chameleons it was always women complaining and trying to get me kicked out, never men
I don't work there anymore but I guarantee if I went back to chameleons and a certain few people was there the stigma would still stick"Well then it's purely down to jealousy on their part. Maybe not for the reasons you'd like but you were popular with the men and a few of the women obviously took exception to that. A common thing in Swingers clubs, particularly if the objecting women are a bit ropey, and complaining about your occupation was a convenient way of getting rid of you. That's how detective Frank sees it anyway  | |||
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"I do it. Got sick of guys here wanting to meet for essentially a bj on the way home to the wife. They'd show up, shoot their bolt within minutes and leave, tripping over themselves to get out the door. I'd get fuck all satisfaction. So I saw a niche up here for those services, now the pay gives me satisfaction and I've perhaps saved some other poor sod from getting pestering email from these guys. If I look down on anyone its them a little bit. And before anyone whinges to admin I'm on this site for fun, because believe it or not I like sex with people I like!" good on you for been honest, there are plenty of escorts on fab site | |||
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"...£20-£30 entry for a swingers party is regarded as immoral earnings in the eyes of the law so whats the difference? " Is it? How come there's loads advertised and nobody seems to get arrested ? | |||
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"People who run clubs and organise parties usually allow single women in free , charge couples a modest fee and charge single guys double, I imagine the reasoning is the single guys will have sex, and they can pay for it, however the lady doesn't benefit financially the organiser, club owner benefits, so in reality he is charging for sex, but the women don't get paid. So in reality the womens time and body is being sold for profit." As a single fem who goes to clubs I disagree. When I'm in a club, I choose who I fuck, it may be a couple's husband or a single guy but there's no guarantee and it's my choice who I fuck so no selling of my time or bits other than the time I may choose to expend deciding whether someone is a potential shag | |||
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"People who run clubs and organise parties usually allow single women in free , charge couples a modest fee and charge single guys double, I imagine the reasoning is the single guys will have sex, and they can pay for it, however the lady doesn't benefit financially the organiser, club owner benefits, so in reality he is charging for sex, but the women don't get paid. So in reality the womens time and body is being sold for profit. As a single fem who goes to clubs I disagree. When I'm in a club, I choose who I fuck, it may be a couple's husband or a single guy but there's no guarantee and it's my choice who I fuck so no selling of my time or bits other than the time I may choose to expend deciding whether someone is a potential shag "Of course you chose who you do or don't have sex with, but you are part of the attraction, and every male in that club has paid to come in. | |||
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"People who run clubs and organise parties usually allow single women in free , charge couples a modest fee and charge single guys double, I imagine the reasoning is the single guys will have sex, and they can pay for it, however the lady doesn't benefit financially the organiser, club owner benefits, so in reality he is charging for sex, but the women don't get paid. So in reality the womens time and body is being sold for profit. As a single fem who goes to clubs I disagree. When I'm in a club, I choose who I fuck, it may be a couple's husband or a single guy but there's no guarantee and it's my choice who I fuck so no selling of my time or bits other than the time I may choose to expend deciding whether someone is a potential shag
Of course you chose who you do or don't have sex with, but you are part of the attraction, and every male in that club has paid to come in."As have I...it will be less than a single guy , but I also go as a couple occasionally with guys I've played with previously and on these occasions often haven't played...call me part of the attraction if you will, the giant pandas in the zoos are too, but we don't expect a shag off them | |||
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"...£20-£30 entry for a swingers party is regarded as immoral earnings in the eyes of the law so whats the difference? Is it? How come there's loads advertised and nobody seems to get arrested ?" Councils don't allow swingers parties in private houses as its classed as prostitution...please feel free to check with them. The police don't bother but councils are hot on this subject. | |||
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"...£20-£30 entry for a swingers party is regarded as immoral earnings in the eyes of the law so whats the difference? Is it? How come there's loads advertised and nobody seems to get arrested ? Councils don't allow swingers parties in private houses as its classed as prostitution...please feel free to check with them. The police don't bother but councils are hot on this subject. " To be honest, if I were going to charge, I probably wouldn't run it by the council first | |||
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"I think the guys that protest about it so much are probably the ones that can't get laid without paying for it. Of course that's not the only reason people (men mainly) pay, for some it's a time thing. I actually think the main reason men pay is nothing to do with the way they look or if they can get laid otherwise, its just a safe bet, you meet a escort, do what you have to do, leave and never hear from them again which a lot like, even on here you don't always get that, you do from time to time get people fall for you, text you unwanted etc some just like the hassle free approach " I think you are right, but I also think those guys aren't the ones whingeing about the cost | |||
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"I think op means the ones who expect/ask for gifts cash etc aren't much different. But a guy paying entry/dinner/taxi is just him being a gentleman. Something there's not enough of nowadays that if does pay he's suggested to be paying for sex. Mad world! In vanilla world if guy took me to dinner on first date if he didn't pay he wouldn't see me again " | |||
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"I think op means the ones who expect/ask for gifts cash etc aren't much different. But a guy paying entry/dinner/taxi is just him being a gentleman. Something there's not enough of nowadays that if does pay he's suggested to be paying for sex. Mad world! In vanilla world if guy took me to dinner on first date if he didn't pay he wouldn't see me again " I always pay on first date  | |||
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"The sex industry isn't an easy option, if you are to remain balanced and independent. It takes brains, strength and a balanced approach. It is the oldes proffesion in the world, and I respect anyone who becomes succesfull at it." I'm always bemused by the terms sex 'worker' and 'industry'. The only "profession" that doesn't pay taxes or is registered for such. I've asked David Cameron to change the misleading descriptions - but he refused. Saying that it makes the employment figures look better! | |||
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"I applaud the ones who are upfront about it, this may not be the place for them to do their business but better they be honest than the players who are looking for mugs to fund their play in many underhand approaches.. " | |||
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"I think it's ridiculous that people on here look down on sex workers, as per the OP. The indignation that sex workers are somehow 'beneath' the people on here.... good grief. It's no better and no worse. Some people are just deluded.
I used to work in a sex club, infact I only stopped this month after working there for 2 years, lots of people from chameleons knew I worked there because they saw my pics on the site, I had a few try and get me banned from chameleons, a group of regulars from chameleons used to warn guys off me telling them to stay away because I was a hooker and they wouldn't play with anyone I had, I havnt been to chameleons for nearly a year now because of this, they made my life very unhappy is there to the point I stopped going
The problem with a lot of 'swingers' is that they cant separate sex work and personal pleasure. they think because you do sex work you only have sex for money, I never went into chameleons and charged anyone but in their minds I was walking round offering blow jobs for a tenner, that's the problem
But so what if you were offering blow jobs for a tenner?! I really don't understand why people get so uptight about money changing hands. It's just sex.
Woman A has sex with guys for £50. Woman B has sex with guys that buy her a drink.
"Woman A charges £50 Woman B has sex because she wants my cock! I'll often buy a drink for a friend, I'll never buy a drink for a car salesman! I've never charged for sex no matter how good it is so why should I pay ??? | |||
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"I don't care what anyone does for a living and I truly believe its time the UK woke up and legalized prostitution. " Er, it is legal. | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution." One of the girls we shoot is buying 2 houses and recently bought a new car, she has university degrees and is sharp. Business women so they are not all victims. We (swingers) have sex with strangers and we pay to join websites and go to paid parties so we are all selling ourselves to a degree, being an escort these days don't mean your bottom of the heap...usually the other way around. | |||
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"The sex industry isn't an easy option, if you are to remain balanced and independent. It takes brains, strength and a balanced approach. It is the oldes proffesion in the world, and I respect anyone who becomes succesfull at it. I'm always bemused by the terms sex 'worker' and 'industry'. The only "profession" that doesn't pay taxes or is registered for such. I've asked David Cameron to change the misleading descriptions - but he refused. Saying that it makes the employment figures look better! "We in the porn industry pay our taxes like anyone else plus stealth taxes that keep cropping up, friends we have as escorts pay tax, have regular health checks and most have liability insurance. Gone are the days were being a sex worker was off the radar and easy cash...everybody pays taxes...some more than others. | |||
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"Legalise hookers and get rid of all the horrid pimps and let the girls carry a green health card and pay taxes. Its the oldest profession guys pay to get rid of guilt and sexual frustration. I guess those that call themselves escorts have to put up with some egotistic idiot for the night whilst us swingers get to choose hot tottie fellas that we can lick ice cream off and choose the cock size, dinner included sometimes. That's the difference " Escorts still have a choice..When I worked two of my regular clients were mid twenties, fit and always wanting to spoil me... They just chose to pay so they had truly nsa... One I bump into from time to time on here too.. I had an age and size restriction... And wouldn't meet some people. But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. | |||
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" But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. " I would have thought it was obvious...a bit like what some people think of swingers ... some people think it is degrading. You won't change the way people think. | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution." If someone loves sex why can't they choose it as a job? We are all humans. I treat everyone the same, from cleaners to dinner ladies to doctors to scientists. Everyone deserves respect. We all have a place in the world and we are all needed. | |||
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"Legalise hookers and get rid of all the horrid pimps and let the girls carry a green health card and pay taxes. Its the oldest profession guys pay to get rid of guilt and sexual frustration. I guess those that call themselves escorts have to put up with some egotistic idiot for the night whilst us swingers get to choose hot tottie fellas that we can lick ice cream off and choose the cock size, dinner included sometimes. That's the difference Escorts still have a choice..When I worked two of my regular clients were mid twenties, fit and always wanting to spoil me... They just chose to pay so they had truly nsa... One I bump into from time to time on here too.. I had an age and size restriction... And wouldn't meet some people. But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. " It's not about being better or looking down on people but its not really what's classed as a 'moral or good way to earn a living . For one you don't pay taxes or Ni, secondly it's illegal , thirdly it's a risky job both to the escorts and to a lesser extent the clients, it's also unregulated. My question would be what's the difference between escorts and street prostitutes | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution." I had a look on the aw website and saw one lady was charging £1200 for an overnight. Now if anyone can find me a professional training course that would give me a job with the facility to earn £1200 per night please let me know lol I can see why they do it £200 an hour £1200 overnight. Could I do it myself...nope. do I judge others that do.....nope. Its a wonderful world made up with all sorts of people x | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution." I disagree some of my friends struggle to get a £6.19 an hour job, if you could get paid a decent wage from something you enjoy why not x | |||
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"Legalise hookers and get rid of all the horrid pimps and let the girls carry a green health card and pay taxes. Its the oldest profession guys pay to get rid of guilt and sexual frustration. I guess those that call themselves escorts have to put up with some egotistic idiot for the night whilst us swingers get to choose hot tottie fellas that we can lick ice cream off and choose the cock size, dinner included sometimes. That's the difference Escorts still have a choice..When I worked two of my regular clients were mid twenties, fit and always wanting to spoil me... They just chose to pay so they had truly nsa... One I bump into from time to time on here too.. I had an age and size restriction... And wouldn't meet some people. But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. It's not about being better or looking down on people but its not really what's classed as a 'moral or good way to earn a living . For one you don't pay taxes or Ni, secondly it's illegal , thirdly it's a risky job both to the escorts and to a lesser extent the clients, it's also unregulated. My question would be what's the difference between escorts and street prostitutes " Escorting is legal...they pay taxes like any of the other professionals on here. People pay to go to a swinging club or swingers party to have sex so the person/persons profiting from this is living off immoral earnings...are they not? You pay an escort for her time & if sex is included all the better...again no different to going to a club & getting lucky. Like escorts, swingers are thought of as lowest of the low to normal society. If everybody was the same we wouldn't all be on a swinging site...being a debt collector or traffic warden is immoral lol! | |||
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"Legalise hookers and get rid of all the horrid pimps and let the girls carry a green health card and pay taxes. Its the oldest profession guys pay to get rid of guilt and sexual frustration. I guess those that call themselves escorts have to put up with some egotistic idiot for the night whilst us swingers get to choose hot tottie fellas that we can lick ice cream off and choose the cock size, dinner included sometimes. That's the difference Escorts still have a choice..When I worked two of my regular clients were mid twenties, fit and always wanting to spoil me... They just chose to pay so they had truly nsa... One I bump into from time to time on here too.. I had an age and size restriction... And wouldn't meet some people. But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. It's not about being better or looking down on people but its not really what's classed as a 'moral or good way to earn a living . For one you don't pay taxes or Ni, secondly it's illegal , thirdly it's a risky job both to the escorts and to a lesser extent the clients, it's also unregulated. My question would be what's the difference between escorts and street prostitutes Escorting is legal...they pay taxes like any of the other professionals on here. People pay to go to a swinging club or swingers party to have sex so the person/persons profiting from this is living off immoral earnings...are they not? You pay an escort for her time & if sex is included all the better...again no different to going to a club & getting lucky. Like escorts, swingers are thought of as lowest of the low to normal society. If everybody was the same we wouldn't all be on a swinging site...being a debt collector or traffic warden is immoral lol!" Sorry but the majority of escorts do not pay taxes, neither do brothel workers or street prostitutes, its technically legal but the minute sex is paid fir its illegal. And to class swingers as the same as prostitutes is bonkers, the difference between swingers and escorts is swingers do it fun, escorts do it for money. I think it should be legalised and regulated, and that would stop some of the prejudices against people | |||
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"Legalise hookers and get rid of all the horrid pimps and let the girls carry a green health card and pay taxes. Its the oldest profession guys pay to get rid of guilt and sexual frustration. I guess those that call themselves escorts have to put up with some egotistic idiot for the night whilst us swingers get to choose hot tottie fellas that we can lick ice cream off and choose the cock size, dinner included sometimes. That's the difference Escorts still have a choice..When I worked two of my regular clients were mid twenties, fit and always wanting to spoil me... They just chose to pay so they had truly nsa... One I bump into from time to time on here too.. I had an age and size restriction... And wouldn't meet some people. But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. It's not about being better or looking down on people but its not really what's classed as a 'moral or good way to earn a living . For one you don't pay taxes or Ni, secondly it's illegal , thirdly it's a risky job both to the escorts and to a lesser extent the clients, it's also unregulated. My question would be what's the difference between escorts and street prostitutes Escorting is legal...they pay taxes like any of the other professionals on here. People pay to go to a swinging club or swingers party to have sex so the person/persons profiting from this is living off immoral earnings...are they not? You pay an escort for her time & if sex is included all the better...again no different to going to a club & getting lucky. Like escorts, swingers are thought of as lowest of the low to normal society. If everybody was the same we wouldn't all be on a swinging site...being a debt collector or traffic warden is immoral lol! Sorry but the majority of escorts do not pay taxes, neither do brothel workers or street prostitutes, its technically legal but the minute sex is paid fir its illegal. And to class swingers as the same as prostitutes is bonkers, the difference between swingers and escorts is swingers do it fun, escorts do it for money. I think it should be legalised and regulated, and that would stop some of the prejudices against people " So swinging clubs, parties, sites don't earn from people paying for sex one way or another... Loads of others earn off people having or wanting sex not only escorts. Like any other job some people will try & not pay tax but that goes for the whole status quo not only the sex industry. We had the same argument with friends in the film industry who look down on escorts like some on this thread do, the girls/guys thought they were a class above because they were models...fuck are they ! All of us in the films have sex for money just as club owners earn from sex indirectly...its all lumped into the sex industry if we like it or not. | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution. I disagree some of my friends struggle to get a £6.19 an hour job, if you could get paid a decent wage from something you enjoy why not x" I loved doing it.. stopped due to change in home ciRcumstances.. it was great to get paid for something I enjoy... And it was a lot more than minimum wage.. I don't think everyone can do It though.. but there is no way a people that sleep with multiple people recreationally can judge people that do it for cash. | |||
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"I think op means the ones who expect/ask for gifts cash etc aren't much different. But a guy paying entry/dinner/taxi is just him being a gentleman. Something there's not enough of nowadays that if does pay he's suggested to be paying for sex. Mad world! In vanilla world if guy took me to dinner on first date if he didn't pay he wouldn't see me again " I totaly agree with you on this. I have a FB & when we meet we don't always play. We have been out for meals & to clubs. We usually take it in turns to pay for meals & drinks. And when goint to a club because we have to travel, 1 will do the driving & pay the petrol the other pays the entrance fee. I don't consider it like prostitution. At the end of the day.... Live & let live. We have no right to judge others, each to their own choices. xx | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution. I disagree some of my friends struggle to get a £6.19 an hour job, if you could get paid a decent wage from something you enjoy why not x I loved doing it.. stopped due to change in home ciRcumstances.. it was great to get paid for something I enjoy... And it was a lot more than minimum wage.. I don't think everyone can do It though.. but there is no way a people that sleep with multiple people recreationally can judge people that do it for cash. " Yes you would think a lot of these are church going pure innocent people & not the bed hoping folk they really are lol! | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution. I disagree some of my friends struggle to get a £6.19 an hour job, if you could get paid a decent wage from something you enjoy why not x I loved doing it.. stopped due to change in home ciRcumstances.. it was great to get paid for something I enjoy... And it was a lot more than minimum wage.. I don't think everyone can do It though.. but there is no way a people that sleep with multiple people recreationally can judge people that do it for cash. Yes you would think a lot of these are church going pure innocent people & not the bed hoping folk they really are lol! "Please don't take offence I was agreeing with you x | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution." I work in comedy, recently took a WG GF of mine to a club. She self publicised a bit to much in an interval, (you've got to market). Later at the end of the night one 'comedian' took to the stage and said why didn't she use her intelligence and wit and become a comedian, She asked him how often she would get gigs that would pay £120 for a hour, because she normally got 3 a day. The other week I wanted an open spot, (that's unpaid) in NE Lanc's got a really good one from Cambridge who wanted to show how much better he'd become since I last saw him. Would you put down people for wanting to be taxi drivers, all they are selling is their driving skills? | |||
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"Legalise hookers and get rid of all the horrid pimps and let the girls carry a green health card and pay taxes. Its the oldest profession guys pay to get rid of guilt and sexual frustration. I guess those that call themselves escorts have to put up with some egotistic idiot for the night whilst us swingers get to choose hot tottie fellas that we can lick ice cream off and choose the cock size, dinner included sometimes. That's the difference Escorts still have a choice..When I worked two of my regular clients were mid twenties, fit and always wanting to spoil me... They just chose to pay so they had truly nsa... One I bump into from time to time on here too.. I had an age and size restriction... And wouldn't meet some people. But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. It's not about being better or looking down on people but its not really what's classed as a 'moral or good way to earn a living . For one you don't pay taxes or Ni, secondly it's illegal , thirdly it's a risky job both to the escorts and to a lesser extent the clients, it's also unregulated. My question would be what's the difference between escorts and street prostitutes " One out of three ain't bad. You're right, it can be risky but it is legal and paying tax/NI is the same as any other self employed person. | |||
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"Legalise hookers and get rid of all the horrid pimps and let the girls carry a green health card and pay taxes. Its the oldest profession guys pay to get rid of guilt and sexual frustration. I guess those that call themselves escorts have to put up with some egotistic idiot for the night whilst us swingers get to choose hot tottie fellas that we can lick ice cream off and choose the cock size, dinner included sometimes. That's the difference Escorts still have a choice..When I worked two of my regular clients were mid twenties, fit and always wanting to spoil me... They just chose to pay so they had truly nsa... One I bump into from time to time on here too.. I had an age and size restriction... And wouldn't meet some people. But my question was mostly why people on here seem to think they are better than escorts... Or that it's okay to look down on them. It's not about being better or looking down on people but its not really what's classed as a 'moral or good way to earn a living . For one you don't pay taxes or Ni, secondly it's illegal , thirdly it's a risky job both to the escorts and to a lesser extent the clients, it's also unregulated. My question would be what's the difference between escorts and street prostitutes Escorting is legal...they pay taxes like any of the other professionals on here. People pay to go to a swinging club or swingers party to have sex so the person/persons profiting from this is living off immoral earnings...are they not? You pay an escort for her time & if sex is included all the better...again no different to going to a club & getting lucky. Like escorts, swingers are thought of as lowest of the low to normal society. If everybody was the same we wouldn't all be on a swinging site...being a debt collector or traffic warden is immoral lol! Sorry but the majority of escorts do not pay taxes, neither do brothel workers or street prostitutes, its technically legal but the minute sex is paid fir its illegal. And to class swingers as the same as prostitutes is bonkers, the difference between swingers and escorts is swingers do it fun, escorts do it for money. I think it should be legalised and regulated, and that would stop some of the prejudices against people So swinging clubs, parties, sites don't earn from people paying for sex one way or another... Loads of others earn off people having or wanting sex not only escorts. Like any other job some people will try & not pay tax but that goes for the whole status quo not only the sex industry. We had the same argument with friends in the film industry who look down on escorts like some on this thread do, the girls/guys thought they were a class above because they were models...fuck are they ! All of us in the films have sex for money just as club owners earn from sex indirectly...its all lumped into the sex industry if we like it or not. " Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference | |||
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""Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference" That just isn 't the case. What's the point of a swinging club if not sex?" Yes it is, for example, you go to a swinging club, no one fancies you and you fancy nobody there, do you have sex?? Are you suggesting that going to a swingers club guarantees you getting laid?? | |||
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""Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference" That just isn 't the case. What's the point of a swinging club if not sex? Yes it is, for example, you go to a swinging club, no one fancies you and you fancy nobody there, do you have sex?? Are you suggesting that going to a swingers club guarantees you getting laid??" I enjoy your posts genuineguy cos you're brave enough to go against the grain and i have to say regarding your above paragraph, i actually agree with you | |||
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""Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference" That just isn 't the case. What's the point of a swinging club if not sex? Yes it is, for example, you go to a swinging club, no one fancies you and you fancy nobody there, do you have sex?? Are you suggesting that going to a swingers club guarantees you getting laid?? I enjoy your posts genuineguy cos you're brave enough to go against the grain and i have to say regarding your above paragraph, i actually agree with you "Thanks, I don't get much support on here, in fact I tend to get blocked by most people | |||
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""Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference" That just isn 't the case. What's the point of a swinging club if not sex? Yes it is, for example, you go to a swinging club, no one fancies you and you fancy nobody there, do you have sex?? Are you suggesting that going to a swingers club guarantees you getting laid?? I enjoy your posts genuineguy cos you're brave enough to go against the grain and i have to say regarding your above paragraph, i actually agree with you
Thanks, I don't get much support on here, in fact I tend to get blocked by most people "Well those who block you are stupid as you're only putting across your point of _iew. I think its healthy for any debate that there are opposing _iews as with most subjects there's always two sides to a coin. I always admire those who are prepared to be honest and go against conventional thought as long as its put across well and doesn't degrade into trading personal insults. | |||
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""Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference" That just isn 't the case. What's the point of a swinging club if not sex? Yes it is, for example, you go to a swinging club, no one fancies you and you fancy nobody there, do you have sex?? Are you suggesting that going to a swingers club guarantees you getting laid?? I enjoy your posts genuineguy cos you're brave enough to go against the grain and i have to say regarding your above paragraph, i actually agree with you
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Well those who block you are stupid as you're only putting across your point of _iew. I think its healthy for any debate that there are opposing _iews as with most subjects there's always two sides to a coin. I always admire those who are prepared to be honest and go against conventional thought as long as its put across well and doesn't degrade into trading personal insults." | |||
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""Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference" That just isn 't the case. What's the point of a swinging club if not sex? Yes it is, for example, you go to a swinging club, no one fancies you and you fancy nobody there, do you have sex?? Are you suggesting that going to a swingers club guarantees you getting laid??" I confess I have a sneaky admiration for a business model which convinces guys to pay a not insubstantial sum of money to enter premises, bring their own drink (which might or might not get stolen), hang about for a couple of hours with other guys and then just go home. On the face of it, it's brilliant. | |||
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" Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference" This ^^^ No matter how much people try to justify prostitution it isn't the same as having sex with no money exhanged. To a "judge" comment...that was exactly what I meant on a post up there....we all judge, no matter if you have sex for money or for fun only.....I am not sure why anyone would expect anything else. Some people who don't swing judge us swingers as degrading...the same as some people who don't sell their body judge people who do as degrading. You won't always change what people think but surely you can understand they have a right to think what they want. | |||
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" Swinging clubs provide a venue, a bar, and other amenities, sex is allowed on their premises but isn't expected. If I attended a swinging club I wouldn't expect sex if I attended a brothel I would, there's the difference This ^^^ No matter how much people try to justify prostitution it isn't the same as having sex with no money exhanged. To a "judge" comment...that was exactly what I meant on a post up there....we all judge, no matter if you have sex for money or for fun only.....I am not sure why anyone would expect anything else. Some people who don't swing judge us swingers as degrading...the same as some people who don't sell their body judge people who do as degrading. You won't always change what people think but surely you can understand they have a right to think what they want." So why is it right for sex clubs,web-sites,private parties to earn on the girls backs? and why charge guys silly money at parties... If these guys didn't think they were getting laid they wouldn't pay £40-£50, justify why such large sums of money are handed over for expected sex as its only a club/private party after all. These people are pimping swingers the same way a pimp would earn off a escort, why do you think most can't get a license for drinks because like escorts they are hovering on that legal/illegal line. To the vanilla world we are all the same as we have sex with multiple partners & people market swingers for profit through sex or expected sex. | |||
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"My issue with sex-workers is that if you feel all you have to give to society is sex then you're probably underselling yourself. Everyone has skills, talents and should be able to make a living from an activity that adds value to the world. Selling sex is not indecent or dishonorable or demeaning or wrong it just seems like very little. Specially in a society where the state provides so much assistance (eg free studies, subsidized housing, professional training, help for entrepreneurship, etc) surely everyone should be able to do something other than prostitution. One of the girls we shoot is buying 2 houses and recently bought a new car, she has university degrees and is sharp. Business women so they are not all victims. We (swingers) have sex with strangers and we pay to join websites and go to paid parties so we are all selling ourselves to a degree, being an escort these days don't mean your bottom of the heap...usually the other way around. " its not a case of not being able to offer anything else to society I work full time and am a single mum, by hubby left me a few years ago and I had the same out goings and half the income, we took a mortgage on based on both our wages and just mine alone wasn't enough, I have never had a penny child support off him I pay for everything myself, I needed another job, if I took on another 'normal' job id have been working day and night and never see my kids which is why I started working the clubs, I have on some night took home upto £500 for one nights work, where else could I have made that kind of money, I already did and still do work over 50 hours a week, my choice was work the clubs and spend a couple of nights a month doing extra work or get a part time job, never see my kids and earn a fraction of the money, for me it was a no brainer, not everyone will agree, im sure some would sooner work two jobs and never see their kids but that wasn't the choice I made, I did what I needed to do to keep the roof over our heads, I now no longer need the extra money so I no longer work them, I have no regrets | |||
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"We attend more clubs and parties than one on one meets Paying to go into a club does not guarantee you sex, you pay for use of the facilities and people I'm their are not deemed part of the facilities. I didn't know that some clubs employ prostitutes and I've never been aware of any in the clubs I've attended. Maybe there are but it doesn't affect me so I couldn't give a damn. " Maybe it doesn't - at the moment - but what about the day some officious local Police Superintendent decides to raid the place and round up all the ladies on suspicion of prostitution? | |||
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