FabSwingers.com forum: Views on married ppl having fb's

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

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By *uriouscouple34Couple
over a year ago

sunderland

Ive got no problem with either one of a couple playing with their partners consent but without their knowledge it then becomes cheating not swinging x

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby

There may be many reasons for playing away, I cant condemn nor condone without knowing the individual reason. But I agree its not swinging its cheating.

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By *EXY50ishWoman
over a year ago

Anywhere and nowhere

Controversial thread - Ill pop back later to read the views of the "holier than thou brigade" as they justify their own actions and condemn others.

There are many circumstances and situations that cause people to have extra marital sex. Once upon a time before I "grew up and entered the real world" Id have condemned it, but now I live and let live.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Simple answer

Why does it concern any one else?

People will cheat

People have got fb's

People swing

Life goes on !

As long as your happy in your life try not to worry too much about other people

In the end they will always make their own choices

What is ok for some is bad for others

It's called life

Just live it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simple answer

Why does it concern any one else?

People will cheat

People have got fb's

People swing

Life goes on !

As long as your happy in your life try not to worry too much about other people

In the end they will always make their own choices

What is ok for some is bad for others

It's called life

Just live it"

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

It doesn't concern me in any way. I won't meet married men but that's for practical reasons. Married men tend to only be able to meet for one and a half hours on the second Tuesday after a full moon, or something, whereas I want to meet men who can give me their full attention for the whole meet.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this? "

Could care less, absolutely nothing to do with me as long as they respect my choice not to meet them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not so good when married men cheat on there wife's especially when the wife finds out. Women I use to know from here had the misfortune of meeting up with a bloke that claimed he was single, well wife found out and all hell broke loose. Maybe blokes should be honest hell wife might even fancy swinging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not holier than thou, we all make choices for our own reasons. I just choose to avoid married people given the choice. I do realise some people don't tell the truth. But I prefer single people or those playing with permission. I don't judge. It's just my preference. I personally would not wish to be in a relationship where this was happening so prefer not to be part of the process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know they are not married unless they tell you. If they arrive at a club or a meet id just assume they are a couple.

Does it really matter? They enjoy swinging like you do and to be honest without them the amount of couples would drop.

People will argue they have morals and will not condone cheating however to monoogomists none of us have morals for having multiple partners.

Just enjoy the swinging aspect and let live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this? "
For some that's the way they keep their life together .. Add the spice without leaving their family and house and things ...... is it right or wrong ?. People here can pick to meet or not to meet married people playing away ... we cant tell people what to do here its there life.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"It doesn't concern me in any way. I won't meet married men but that's for practical reasons. Married men tend to only be able to meet for one and a half hours on the second Tuesday after a full moon, or something, whereas I want to meet men who can give me their full attention for the whole meet."

^^^^^This! Plus no bugger is coming into my home who can't invite me to theirs and ask me not to wear perfume.

I'm here for fun: married men are not fun for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thing is how do you know in a club on a Friday mixed night if married or single .... you can only go on what a person tell you . ? And they can be who ever they like .

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"How do you know they are not married unless they tell you. If they arrive at a club or a meet id just assume they are a couple.

Does it really matter? They enjoy swinging like you do and to be honest without them the amount of couples would drop.

People will argue they have morals and will not condone cheating however to monoogomists none of us have morals for having multiple partners.

Just enjoy the swinging aspect and let live"

I don't allow anyone into my home that won't invite me to theirs. I don't meet for half hour during meetings: it takes that long to put the batteries in my toys! I play rough, if I think pubes are too long I shave them off and I have temporary tattoos "property off Miss Vee" I leave behind. Handcuffs leave marks, so does wax.

Knowing how I play, if you were married would you meet me?!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't go to clubs so that's easy. I'm genuinely not judging. It's just as much my right to make a choice and I trust (maybe stupidly) that people will be honest and tell me. And when they do I decline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thing is how do you know in a club on a Friday mixed night if married or single .... you can only go on what a person tell you . ? And they can be who ever they like . "

one woman informed me on a similar thread that when in a club she used a line of questioning that made the fb's stand out lol she may of been related to columbo..... Who loves ya baby... Or is that kojak

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Thing is how do you know in a club on a Friday mixed night if married or single .... you can only go on what a person tell you . ? And they can be who ever they like . "

That only applies to people out dogging, clubbing. I don't do either.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I don't go to clubs so that's easy. I'm genuinely not judging. It's just as much my right to make a choice and I trust (maybe stupidly) that people will be honest and tell me. And when they do I decline. "

In a nutshell!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thing is how do you know in a club on a Friday mixed night if married or single .... you can only go on what a person tell you . ? And they can be who ever they like .

That only applies to people out dogging, clubbing. I don't do either. "
I meet a man was about 2 years ago ..... and only found out from his FB he was married and not to her .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not so good when married men cheat on there wife's especially when the wife finds out. Women I use to know from here had the misfortune of meeting up with a bloke that claimed he was single, well wife found out and all hell broke loose. Maybe blokes should be honest hell wife might even fancy swinging

It is women as well that play behind their husbands back quoting on their profile must be descrete as hubby doesnt know so sorry just aiming at men is wrong it's both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is women as well that play behind their husbands back quoting on their profile must be descrete as hubby doesnt know so sorry just aiming at men is wrong it's both"

Yes fair point didn't mean to just single blokes out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simple answer

Why does it concern any one else?

People will cheat

People have got fb's

People swing

Life goes on !

As long as your happy in your life try not to worry too much about other people

In the end they will always make their own choices

What is ok for some is bad for others

It's called life

Just live it"

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

if they where getting shaged at home they would be to nackered to be on here . but there again a change is as good as a rest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simple answer

Why does it concern any one else?

People will cheat

People have got fb's

People swing

Life goes on !

As long as your happy in your life try not to worry too much about other people

In the end they will always make their own choices

What is ok for some is bad for others

It's called life

Just live it

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By *abe1200Couple
over a year ago

belfast

"Simple answer

Why does it concern any one else?

People will cheat

People have got fb's

People swing

Life goes on !

As long as your happy in your life try not to worry too much about other people

In the end they will always make their own choices

What is ok for some is bad for others

It's called life

Just live it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's no one else's business really. Unfortunately life's not black and white. I got one guy who's wife's disabled and can't have sex. Shouldn't be so quick to judge. Everyone's got there own reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For us, swinging is as much a social thing as it is a playing thing.

As such we have two scenario's.

If we are interested in a local couple then we would tend to disregard couples who are FBs' as the social thing just get's to difficult.

On the odd occasion we meet a single guy then we don't care as there is no social aspect for us, its purely play.

The same goes for clubs. We mainly travel to Darleston, which is a bit of a trek, so to strike up a longer term friendship with couples we meet there is highly unlikely due to distance. So, generally in clubs, we would have no issues whatsoever, plus of course, to be honest, you would never know.

For spouses cheating, as said many many times, it's not swinging, it's just cheating which can have awful consequences.

There was one couple who both were on a certain swingers site unaware of the others presence. they actually agreed to meet and were obviously shocked to discover who it was they had been chatting to. They did end up staying together and their relationship went from strength to strength after that, so a happy ending.

And then to the extreme, where a chap was cheating and was a regular at local munches. She found out when on his drive back home he was killed in a car accident. Can you imagine what she went through when all this came out after the event?

At the end of the day, honesty is always the best policy, no matter what the outcome.

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By *eareenaCouple
over a year ago

Rockford

"Controversial thread - Ill pop back later to read the views of the "holier than thou brigade" as they justify their own actions and condemn others.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Everyone has their reasons and who am I to judge!!

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By *ittle nelWoman
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Controversial thread - Ill pop back later to read the views of the "holier than thou brigade" as they justify their own actions and condemn others.

many many

for this xx

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby

"Simple answer

Why does it concern any one else?

People will cheat

People have got fb's

People swing

Life goes on !

As long as your happy in your life try not to worry too much about other people

In the end they will always make their own choices

What is ok for some is bad for others

It's called life

Just live it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this? "
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Everybodys situation is different and I never judge anybody at end of the day we are all here for the same thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im not concerened about it at all,its not my place to judge anyones reasons for being on here.....im a married woman that fucks other men!

Im sure plenty of people outside of this site would be quick to make a judgement about me based on that information alone

We're all adults,we all mentally risk assess every situation we find ourselves in and we all know about actions and consequences

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this? .

Everybodys situation is different and I never judge anybody at end of the day we are all here for the same thing"

Why do people say that? We're not all here for the same thing!

Some only chat or cam, others to swap pics and cyber etc just a few of the things I'm not interested in!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's nothing wishy washy about that, here here xx I wish my other half would embrace this, but he won't that's his choice .. why should I miss out cos he doesn't approve?.Each to there own I say .. people don't do things I approve of or like but that's their choice and I'm not gonna judge!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I wish someone could explain to me, in simple terms so I can understand, how not wanting to play with married people equates to being judgemental!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this? "

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I wish someone could explain to me, in simple terms so I can understand, how not wanting to play with married people equates to being judgemental!

Lol. I have been wondering this for some time especially when I see the judgements made on us by the very people accusing us of being judgemental I see further up the thread that we are holier than though too. The irony isn't lost on me but fear it might be on others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang em!!!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Hang em!!!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Controversial thread - Ill pop back later to read the views of the "holier than thou brigade" as they justify their own actions and condemn others.

You live and let live but feel happy to call people who hold different views to yours holier than thou......interesting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love the irony on this thread...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have to say that each to their own but if i was to consider meeting a lady who was cheating on other half i doubt i would because i believe in karma and these thing tend to come out in time and last thing i need or want is irate hubby knocking on my door.

That being said would not rule meet out if i knew reason for the cheating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Husbands/wives playing away with permission is ok. Playing behind their backs is not. Simple x

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't care what other people do as long as they don't involve me; as soon as they do is when I am entitled to hold and express an opinion and that includes posting about it on the forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting points from everyone as one that does play behind back I have. My reasons , and I always tell people to make up their own minds .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this? .

Everybodys situation is different and I never judge anybody at end of the day we are all here for the same thing

Why do people say that? We're not all here for the same thing!

Some only chat or cam, others to swap pics and cyber etc just a few of the things I'm not interested in!"

I was just thinking this

We are all here for very different things. That's part of the problem with threads like this. If you are into dogging then marital status is probably irrelevant, if you only meet couples at home then it is. If you're looking to have "specialist" activities then that also might have an impact. If you only meet single men/women then your choice of marital status will he reflected in what you want. The real problem then arises when people try to apply their rules to everyone else. It doesn't work that way. Life is not black and white. So if we go to a club and we want to soft swing with a couple we aren't particularly interested in their relationship as we're not there for them but for us. It would be different if we met at home which we don't do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

each to their own but it does make me laugh married guys seem to get loads of shit on here, but put a naked married lady in the chatrooms and all the flies come out to hunt her down, be they men, women or couples. Peoples standards and arguements for and against just make me giggle as most are actually double standards...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

For those of you asking

The question why people think those who won't play with married couples are judgemental the reason is this above quote.

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By *EXY50ishWoman
over a year ago

Anywhere and nowhere

My holier than thou comments weren't aimed at people who choose not to play with attached people. They were for those who condemn and villify without any knowledge of other peoples circumstances. In previous threads about this I've read some truly vile comments EG cheaters serve to catch std 's etc etc.

We are all different and all look for different things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

For those of you asking

The question why people think those who won't play with married couples are judgemental the reason is this above quote.

Really?

We were asked for our thoughts...I gave MINE, what's your issue this time?

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By *noops123Man
over a year ago

laceby

"Simple answer

Why does it concern any one else?

People will cheat

People have got fb's

People swing

Life goes on !

As long as your happy in your life try not to worry too much about other people

In the end they will always make their own choices

What is ok for some is bad for others

It's called life

Just live it"

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"Ive got no problem with either one of a couple playing with their partners consent but without their knowledge it then becomes cheating not swinging x"

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I wish someone could explain to me, in simple terms so I can understand, how not wanting to play with married people equates to being judgemental!

I spotted the glaring irony too: oh well!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I don't care what other people do as long as they don't involve me; as soon as they do is when I am entitled to hold and express an opinion and that includes posting about it on the forums. "

^^^^^This!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

For those of you asking

The question why people think those who won't play with married couples are judgemental the reason is this above quote.

Really?

We were asked for our thoughts...I gave MINE, what's your issue this time?

No issue,

Someone asked why people who won't play with others are considered to be sometimes judgemental. My reply quoted your post as it's judgmental.

Not an issue but the majority of people here are posting their rational reasons for meeting/not-meeting married people and some are passing judgement on those people.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this? .

Everybodys situation is different and I never judge anybody at end of the day we are all here for the same thing

Why do people say that? We're not all here for the same thing!

Some only chat or cam, others to swap pics and cyber etc just a few of the things I'm not interested in!

I was just thinking this

You've summed up my thoughts perfectly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't care what other people do as long as they don't involve me; as soon as they do is when I am entitled to hold and express an opinion and that includes posting about it on the forums. "

That's very true and getting involved in someone else's emotional and personal trauma is what most of us here would try to avoid I'd imagine.

The reality is though that there are some topics that send people into a tailspin and this is one of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wish someone could explain to me, in simple terms so I can understand, how not wanting to play with married people equates to being judgemental!

I spotted the glaring irony too: oh well!

The thing is your reasons for not meeting are practical and logical and you've not made any judgemental statements wheras others make extremely judgemental statements which don't take into account people's different lives. They judge from where they're standing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is wrong I appreciate that, personally for me it is not about sex, its solely about experiencing some of the fantasies/fetishes can I cannot experience at home

Would never dream of holding a relationship behind the wifes back but I will venture out of the marriage very occasionally to try the fantasies I have that just don't interest my partner

Doesn't excuse it I know but that's my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

For those of you asking

The question why people think those who won't play with married couples are judgemental the reason is this above quote.

Really?

We were asked for our thoughts...I gave MINE, what's your issue this time?

No issue,

Someone asked why people who won't play with others are considered to be sometimes judgemental. My reply quoted your post as it's judgmental.

Not an issue but the majority of people here are posting their rational reasons for meeting/not-meeting married people and some are passing judgement on those people.

And do YOU know MY reasons for not wanting to chat or meet liars?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I don't care what other people do as long as they don't involve me; as soon as they do is when I am entitled to hold and express an opinion and that includes posting about it on the forums.

That's very true and getting involved in someone else's emotional and personal trauma is what most of us here would try to avoid I'd imagine.

The reality is though that there are some topics that send people into a tailspin and this is one of them. "

It is a very emotive subject and I would think peoples opinions are informed by personal experience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

For those of you asking

The question why people think those who won't play with married couples are judgemental the reason is this above quote.

Really?

We were asked for our thoughts...I gave MINE, what's your issue this time?

No issue,

Someone asked why people who won't play with others are considered to be sometimes judgemental. My reply quoted your post as it's judgmental.

Not an issue but the majority of people here are posting their rational reasons for meeting/not-meeting married people and some are passing judgement on those people.

And do YOU know MY reasons for not wanting to chat or meet liars?

I was speaking in general and not to about you dirextly btw block capitals is shouting so let's not shout.

Personally I don't Know your reasons and it's by and large irrelevant to me or anyone else as we won't change your mind on a forum and have no wish to change it either.

But, some are being clear and open and some are just calling people names.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

For those of you asking

The question why people think those who won't play with married couples are judgemental the reason is this above quote.

Really?

We were asked for our thoughts...I gave MINE, what's your issue this time?

No issue,

Someone asked why people who won't play with others are considered to be sometimes judgemental. My reply quoted your post as it's judgmental.

Not an issue but the majority of people here are posting their rational reasons for meeting/not-meeting married people and some are passing judgement on those people.

And do YOU know MY reasons for not wanting to chat or meet liars?

I was speaking in general and not to about you dirextly btw block capitals is shouting so let's not shout.

Personally I don't Know your reasons and it's by and large irrelevant to me or anyone else as we won't change your mind on a forum and have no wish to change it either.

But, some are being clear and open and some are just calling people names."

That is your opinion, and like the capital letters and shouting thing, just because YOU believe me to be shouting STILL doesn't mean I am!

I did not call anyone names, just giving my opinion, same as you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many ppl on here seem to be married and play without their spouses knowing, what are ppls thoughts on this?

I think they are lying, cheating, spineless fucks!

For those of you asking

The question why people think those who won't play with married couples are judgemental the reason is this above quote.

Really?

We were asked for our thoughts...I gave MINE, what's your issue this time?

No issue,

Someone asked why people who won't play with others are considered to be sometimes judgemental. My reply quoted your post as it's judgmental.

Not an issue but the majority of people here are posting their rational reasons for meeting/not-meeting married people and some are passing judgement on those people.

And do YOU know MY reasons for not wanting to chat or meet liars?

I was speaking in general and not to about you dirextly btw block capitals is shouting so let's not shout.

Personally I don't Know your reasons and it's by and large irrelevant to me or anyone else as we won't change your mind on a forum and have no wish to change it either.

But, some are being clear and open and some are just calling people names.

That is your opinion, and like the capital letters and shouting thing, just because YOU believe me to be shouting STILL doesn't mean I am!

I did not call anyone names, just giving my opinion, same as you!"

Calling People "lying,cheating, spineless fucks" isn't calling people names?

You may not have directed it anyone in specific but it is name calling and not really in keeping with the more measured posts above.

Your post which I've quoted above is judgemental I'm not sure how you can say it isn't?

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over a year ago

Having a concluding opinion is in essence judgemental. It's kind of unavoidable in making a concluding opinion as opposed to sitting on the fence. However many people pull the word 'judgemental' comment out whenever anyone has a differing opinion to them. It's like they're saying take my opinion on board but don't expect me to take yours

As for married people having FB's. All good if it's legit and no one is being shit on or kid's deserved of a good stable family are being let down.

If however someone is being shit on by someone then it's up to them. Providing they can take it in return and all it can bring. Funny enough they're usually the biggest cry baby's or mental wrecks when treated to the very behaviour they treat others.

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over a year ago

The problem with cheats on a swinging site isnt the ones that tell you (at least you can choose whether or not to get involved in there web of lies), its the ones that dont give you that option, which is why we personally carefully vet potential meets and if either of us have any doubt whatsoever we dont meet/play, afterall we were all brought up been taught whats right and wrong.

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"The problem with cheats on a swinging site isnt the ones that tell you (at least you can choose whether or not to get involved in there web of lies), its the ones that dont give you that option, which is why we personally carefully vet potential meets and if either of us have any doubt whatsoever we dont meet/play, afterall we were all brought up been taught whats right and wrong."

I think a lack of honesty has to be assumed sometimes.

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

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Interesting last sentence, what is wrong or right! surly it depends on who you talk to after all some people would condemn swingers, anal sex is perverted, gays are an abomination, sex outside marriage is a sin, shall I go on!

I think the best attitude to have is keep an open mind live and let live and if its not interfering in your life simply walk away.

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over a year ago

"Controversial thread - Ill pop back later to read the views of the "holier than thou brigade" as they justify their own actions and condemn others.

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youd think a swinging site forum wouldn't be full of martyrs, it shocks me sometimes how judgemental people are on here, yet when I meet real swingers who actually meet, they are do laid back and non-judgemental its unreal x

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I think the best attitude to have is keep an open mind live and let live and if its not interfering in your life simply walk away. "

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"Controversial thread - Ill pop back later to read the views of the "holier than thou brigade" as they justify their own actions and condemn others.

youd think a swinging site forum wouldn't be full of martyrs, it shocks me sometimes how judgemental people are on here, yet when I meet real swingers who actually meet, they are do laid back and non-judgemental its unreal x"

The reason why this topic is always heated is because it touches on grey areas that are too close to home.

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over a year ago

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But you will happily judge people to be "martyrs" and "real swingers".

Everyone makes judgements its human nature and the original post asked for opinions which by their nature require some judgement.

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I think the best attitude to have is keep an open mind live and let live and if its not interfering in your life simply walk away. "

if its your choice to make after knowing all the facts 1st then its got be right, if you have been hoodwinked or forced then its got to be wrong, it doesnt really take that much to work out.

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over a year ago

I think a lack of honesty has to be assumed sometimes."

yeah of course, thats why we try our utmost to be careful, but in the true meaning of the word swinging, you should be able to assume honesty.

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Any response here will in part be based on experience either personal or second hand. That experience will then form part of their psychological makeup and given other personality issues then contribute to how they see things.

Some people work from a very black and white image of the world and some from a more grey image of the world. To each their way is the correct way and the others is the incorrect way.

Where it falls apart is when the issue

Is too emotive for some and they can get quite forceful in their condemnation of others behaviour. If someone chooses not to see people who might be cheating then they should have that right to do so, if someone doesn't care then they too are making a choice. Telling one group or the other that their opinion is "wrong" tends to lead us to "closed by moderator" type of thread