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"It's not racist atall. Anyone can put what their preferences are/arent. If you don't want to fuck fat people, say so. If you don't like tattoos or piercings, just let the folks know. Tell people you're straight or bi and are looking for the same or different. The only time it could would or should be construed as racist is if someone said "no black or asian people as they are an inferior race" or something like that - which WOULD be racist and should get them banned from the site straight away as well as a phone call to the'polis' as we call 'em. So no, not racist. And people who casually play the 'racist' card on the flimsiest of pretexts are usually the kind of folk you wouldnt want to hang out with anyway." Well put indeed | |||
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"proves the quote in QI that all internet threads end up in comparrisons with hitler and by that time the thread should be closed - we all have preferences and the joy of life is in the difference" Can't help thinking that "guy with comedy moustache, short temper and one testical seeks likeminded for fun" would have got him many meets... (and PLEASE, don't anybody start on a whole hitler thing...) | |||
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"Definitely not racist as per the comments above. Possibly the guys were fishing and hoping you'd 'prove them wrong' by meeting up? Maybe not, but just a thought." DING!!!!! the sound of the nail being hit firmly on the head LOL | |||
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"I personally think it wold be a great benefit to everyone if there was a race option on peoples preferences , that way ladies looking for black can indicate there preference and those only seeking white dont have to use those ugly caps on their profile and also can decline an approach by politely saying , sorry you dont meet our preferences , then nobody gets hurt feelings.saves a lot of wasted time for everyone i would think . or perhaps a traffic light system on peoples profiles? just trying some out of the box thinking ." Good ideas but wouldn't work as people don't read the profiles as it is!!! | |||
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"So why is it seen as ok to say no white men, but racist to say no black men? " She has her preferences and I doubt she'll change from that, so why is it an issue, regardless of what some peeps opinions are | |||
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" That aside though, some folks are all to keen to pull the race card - because it suits their particular situation at the time. They don't get the result they want, so they shout 'racism' Thanfully those people are in the minority" Couldn't agree more! Some people have big chips on their shoulders and should get a life instead of whining. G has a beard and we've had people saying 'no thanks, we don't like beards' and he doesn't take offence and complain they're beardists! It's all down to personal preference. Nobody should be made or expected to do anything they don't want in the swinging world just to please some PC agenda. | |||
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"Definitely not racist. Your preferences are exactly that and it saves wasting a load of time on people you dont want to meet. Otherwise we'd be saying anyone putting age limits was ageist and people who wont meet outside a certain area regionalist... " Agree entirely with this, a member's personal choice is just that, none of us is here to meet people because it's charity week! As an aside Ive had similarly abusive messages from some white males who I've politely declined, not because they're white but because they're too old/young/pushy/far away etc, some seeing my hubby is black will then counter with "you're racist because you only meet black men"..which is weird since I havent met any, I just happen to be married to one! | |||
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" I find the attitude of black men more of a turn off than the colour of their skin. " That's some black men, not all presumably? | |||
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" I find the attitude of black men more of a turn off than the colour of their skin. That's some black men, not all presumably? " I hope so, or this is going to kick off... | |||
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"BLACK MEN ARE GOOD AT BOXING. THEY ALSO WIN LOADS OF RACES. IN FACT I LIKE BLACK MEN. BUT ISINT IT FUNNY YOU NEVER SEE THEM PLAYING SNOOKER LOL" Rory McLeod is black | |||
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"BLACK MEN ARE GOOD AT BOXING. THEY ALSO WIN LOADS OF RACES. IN FACT I LIKE BLACK MEN. BUT ISINT IT FUNNY YOU NEVER SEE THEM PLAYING SNOOKER LOL" If I can add to this stereotyping, they also like to wear their socks in bed, dont like to put the bins out, hog the tv remote and always forget birthdays!(based on my experience of 1) | |||
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"BLACK MEN ARE GOOD AT BOXING. THEY ALSO WIN LOADS OF RACES. IN FACT I LIKE BLACK MEN. BUT ISINT IT FUNNY YOU NEVER SEE THEM PLAYING SNOOKER LOL If I can add to this stereotyping, they also like to wear their socks in bed, dont like to put the bins out, hog the tv remote and always forget birthdays!(based on my experience of 1) " Erm, that's just men your stereotyping now! | |||
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"BLACK MEN ARE GOOD AT BOXING. THEY ALSO WIN LOADS OF RACES. IN FACT I LIKE BLACK MEN. BUT ISINT IT FUNNY YOU NEVER SEE THEM PLAYING SNOOKER LOL If I can add to this stereotyping, they also like to wear their socks in bed, dont like to put the bins out, hog the tv remote and always forget birthdays!(based on my experience of 1) " ohh u mean they are human!!! wow!!! u learn somethin new every day!! and judgin by the one who is my best pal at uni they fart in classes and blame it on u!!! xx | |||
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" and judgin by the one who is my best pal at uni they fart in classes and blame it on u!!! xx " Thats ALL men babe. | |||
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"I fully agree with your friend - there is nothing wrong with being honest if you do not like black men/white men which ever the case maybe you should be allowed to say so without the fear of upsetting peeps by telling them in advance what you do or don't like... to my mind you are doing them a favour by saving them time from responding to your ad... " completely agree - why waste your time messaging someone to call them racist when they have just stated their personal preferences. move on and concentrate you efforts elsewhere. does this make them timewasters?? do they complain that they send messages but dont get replies | |||
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"A friend has asked me to ponder a question in a forum so here goes.... She is a single woman and does not find black men sexually attractive so has no intention of meeting any. She put on her profile "sorry guys but I not interested in black or asian men, white men only please" She had 3 or 4 messages off black men calling her racist?! As a single man I see plenty of profiles which state they are only looking for black men, but i dont find this racist, i jsut understand its their personal preference. So why is it seen as ok to say no white men, but racist to say no black men? " Im not in to black men either ( or asian ) | |||
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"Not another thread on racism... sometimes a degree of common sense would suffice. If you are not racist, why do you get stressed when one calls you one? Its one's preference, let other people deal with it, name calling, nasty emails should not get to you. It what you like... " See my thread 3 hours ago warning that this will all kick off - give it time... | |||
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" If you are not racist, why do you get stressed when one calls you one? " I would get a little stressed being called something I'm not. | |||
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" If you are not racist, why do you get stressed when one calls you one? I would get a little stressed being called something I'm not." If a accused you of being stressed would you start being racist? | |||
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"Not another thread on racism... sometimes a degree of common sense would suffice. If you are not racist, why do you get stressed when one calls you one? Its one's preference, let other people deal with it, name calling, nasty emails should not get to you. It what you like... " thats because nine times out of ten the one who uses the race card is the racist and racism has nothing to do with colour of skin or where in the world you come from it comes down to net getting your own way and blaming some one else for it at the end of the day NO means NO and if you dont like it change your way of life and move on | |||
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" If you are not racist, why do you get stressed when one calls you one? I would get a little stressed being called something I'm not. If a accused you of being stressed would you start being racist? " u still waitin for it all kickin off?? | |||
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"You don't see a lot of black men swimming at international competition level." this is true.... same as you don't see many white men in olympic sprint finals anymore either.......... ooooh....see bends both ways......... with regards to the whole racist debate... is it?????? is it fuck!!!!!!! people like what people like... if people don't fine me attractive... such is life....move on!!! some people find it hard to take rejection.. whether they be black/white/men/women/tall/short/fat/thin.... all of the above or just generally a munter!!!! some people just need an excuse to make themselves feel better...... nothing wrong with a preference.. everyone has them.... (yes.... my prefernce is for brains, wit and sarcasm!! I know... mad!!!) too many people take everything so seriously when at the end of the day... its suppose to be fun and there are no such things as sympathy shags....... just... lesson over.... bugger off!!!! sean xxxx (p.s didn't you know i'd end up in this thread eventually... i know.. its like the sirens when off at chez fabs!!!) | |||
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" If you are not racist, why do you get stressed when one calls you one? I would get a little stressed being called something I'm not. If a accused you of being stressed would you start being racist? u still waitin for it all kickin off??" you were right, wonder what else you are right about? | |||
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" If you are not racist, why do you get stressed when one calls you one? I would get a little stressed being called something I'm not. If a accused you of being stressed would you start being racist? " Me? Life is too short to care about that... | |||
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"Think its best to say what you are looking for rather than what your not, after all its all down to the context in which its written, and how people read it. There’s ways to word things, and we would never dream of writing NO BLACK MALES on our profile. It’s just as easy writing: looking for white males only, or we have a preference for white males. " Fact is no matter how you phrase it there will always be someone who has the hump. Although this specific thread is about race it could easily be about any preference. Some people have chips on their shoulders and take personaally anything that excludes them! On another site I'm on people post ads. If I read an ad that states no bbws or women over 40 I just click on to the next ad. It would never cross my mind to write complaining!! | |||
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"A friend has asked me to ponder a question in a forum so here goes.... She is a single woman and does not find black men sexually attractive so has no intention of meeting any. She put on her profile "sorry guys but I not interested in black or asian men, white men only please" She had 3 or 4 messages off black men calling her racist?! As a single man I see plenty of profiles which state they are only looking for black men, but i dont find this racist, i jsut understand its their personal preference. So why is it seen as ok to say no white men, but racist to say no black men? " First things first, Apologies if I haven't read all the posts (only the OP and first maybe 5 responses) but for general info this was touched on some 4 weeks ago on thread http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/15048 so I'll try not to rehash, however... To the OP - your friend (just like everyone else) has EVERY right to express whatever preference they so desire - be it white, black, dwarves, uniforms, black-chinese mix (blackanese?) or even guys with beard. One's preference is up to them and them alone, anyone that doesn't like it can sling their hook. I am a Pro-Preference Player ESPECIALLY if it doesn't work in my favour. Yes I've been turned down by people who don't fancy black guys, am more than happy to accept that as I know where I stand and IMHO it helps forge a mutual understanding and somewhat platonic friendship with the other party will full knowledge it won't go any further. Assuming I met your friend at a party and she expressed her preference, I can not and WILL not get upset nor question her - her choice. Anyone that then resorts to insults either needs to grow up or leave the scene. Simple. | |||
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"Think its best to say what you are looking for rather than what your not, after all its all down to the context in which its written, and how people read it. There’s ways to word things, and we would never dream of writing NO BLACK MALES on our profile. It’s just as easy writing: looking for white males only, or we have a preference for white males. Fact is no matter how you phrase it there will always be someone who has the hump. Although this specific thread is about race it could easily be about any preference. Some people have chips on their shoulders and take personaally anything that excludes them! On another site I'm on people post ads. If I read an ad that states no bbws or women over 40 I just click on to the next ad. It would never cross my mind to write complaining!! " I'll disagree with ONE point - this thread is NOT about race, it is ALL about preference. If someone said to me "Sorry, am only into guys 35 or older" do I have a right to say their being ageist? Ofcourse not. Do I expect them to play with me "just to keep me happy" ? That's ridiculous - it would be tantamount to forcing someone's hand to have sex when they don't want to and that, either way you cut it, is rape. | |||
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"A friend has asked me to ponder a question in a forum so here goes.... She is a single woman and does not find black men sexually attractive so has no intention of meeting any. She put on her profile "sorry guys but I not interested in black or asian men, white men only please" She had 3 or 4 messages off black men calling her racist?! As a single man I see plenty of profiles which state they are only looking for black men, but i dont find this racist, i jsut understand its their personal preference. So why is it seen as ok to say no white men, but racist to say no black men? Im not in to black men either ( or asian ) " I was once called homophobic (which I'm not) by a bi guy because I wouldn't play with him - I called him an idiot (which he is). | |||
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"sounds like they took the huff......then blamed it on the racism card " They need to grow up and accept they won't be everyone's cup of tea, and whilst I hate to label myself as "one thing", I find it insulting that those guys feel they represent me (or any other black men) in anyway shape or form. | |||
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"It's not racist atall. Anyone can put what their preferences are/arent. If you don't want to fuck fat people, say so. If you don't like tattoos or piercings, just let the folks know. Tell people you're straight or bi and are looking for the same or different. The only time it could would or should be construed as racist is if someone said "no black or asian people as they are an inferior race" or something like that - which WOULD be racist and should get them banned from the site straight away as well as a phone call to the'polis' as we call 'em. So no, not racist. And people who casually play the 'racist' card on the flimsiest of pretexts are usually the kind of folk you wouldnt want to hang out with anyway." I agree. "No black guys, sorry just not attracted to you" is acceptable. "No black guys cause I think you all have AIDS" is not and warrants a ban. | |||
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"I'm black and want to meet white men only. I usually get from black guys - "so, what's wrong with black guys, why are you putting down your own..." I don't even bother to answer because it is my preference - don't want to play with short men either, get some of them coming with "funny" quips to ie we're all the same height when we're lying down, I can wear heels etc. Sadly we only have to look at some threads to realise that personal preferences are questioned all the time and they shouldn't. " Damn, and here's me - black short and young... completely ruled out. But maybe I can prove to her am wrong and be the special one? Lol. Right.. I've caught up with the other posts now | |||
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"Having done black and aisan men they otoamctial think that I wont do white men again. So I find that these two groups become pushy because been there and done that. But remind them am part of a couple and always have a white man in my bed so of course will like a bit of white meat. They then have a go at my hubby which is quite unfair and I feel that it them that are being racist when they do this. But they should feel quite please that my husband is glad to share me and leaves the choosing up to me. All their pushing puts me off meeting a black guy again. So even if have met the odd chocolate man as I like to call them does not mean you want to stick to that type of candy. I just like anything that is differnt to hubby and that means not bald or has no hairy chest. Was asked by guy what I was thinking when we finished playing. As we used his nickname we had given him. I said you are all forms of my hubby in disguise." I would say you were unfortunate with the guys you had "done", not all guys are like that. ZoeRose and myself went to a club once where she played with a guy early int he evening - he then went on to get upset because he thought she would stay with him and play with ONLY him the rest of the night and no one else. He had to be told where to go. People are different and its hard to judge a whole group (irrespective of the group) by the actions of any one guy. Example - wen you see a pushy single guy at a party, would you label all single guys the same hence the "no single guys at our party" mantra purported by some? We went to a party last nigth where ALL The single guys were absolute gents - in fact the only trouble was from the male half of one couple - an asian guy - he was pushy, assuming, grabbing women and wanting to play with them without asking, no introductions or making convo .. left his partner to go do all of this, everytime she came to find him he'd go to another room to try his luck there and be told off again. It got to the point he was annoying not just the ladies and other couples - but even the single guys. I reckon the only reason he wasn't asked to leave was cause he was a couple and there weren't that many there (even though his partner wasn't playing). Does he get judged as "one of THOSE couples" (sweeping generalisation just like other single men) or because he was asian? Personally, I'd say neither - he was a twat, plain and simple. | |||
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"Having done black and aisan men they otoamctial think that I wont do white men again. So I find that these two groups become pushy because been there and done that. But remind them am part of a couple and always have a white man in my bed so of course will like a bit of white meat. They then have a go at my hubby which is quite unfair and I feel that it them that are being racist when they do this. But they should feel quite please that my husband is glad to share me and leaves the choosing up to me. All their pushing puts me off meeting a black guy again. So even if have met the odd chocolate man as I like to call them does not mean you want to stick to that type of candy. I just like anything that is differnt to hubby and that means not bald or has no hairy chest. Was asked by guy what I was thinking when we finished playing. As we used his nickname we had given him. I said you are all forms of my hubby in disguise. I would say you were unfortunate with the guys you had "done", not all guys are like that. ZoeRose and myself went to a club once where she played with a guy early int he evening - he then went on to get upset because he thought she would stay with him and play with ONLY him the rest of the night and no one else. He had to be told where to go. People are different and its hard to judge a whole group (irrespective of the group) by the actions of any one guy. Example - wen you see a pushy single guy at a party, would you label all single guys the same hence the "no single guys at our party" mantra purported by some? We went to a party last nigth where ALL The single guys were absolute gents - in fact the only trouble was from the male half of one couple - an asian guy - he was pushy, assuming, grabbing women and wanting to play with them without asking, no introductions or making convo .. left his partner to go do all of this, everytime she came to find him he'd go to another room to try his luck there and be told off again. It got to the point he was annoying not just the ladies and other couples - but even the single guys. I reckon the only reason he wasn't asked to leave was cause he was a couple and there weren't that many there (even though his partner wasn't playing). Does he get judged as "one of THOSE couples" (sweeping generalisation just like other single men) or because he was asian? Personally, I'd say neither - he was a twat, plain and simple." lol _habs - twats come in all shapes sizes colours and creeds and so do really nice people - wish they had a branding system lol | |||
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"Sometimes black people really don't help themselves. How stupid can you get?" I don't believe it's exclusively a black problem, the majority of black males who are members here are polite engaging and nice people-just as the majority of white males are. It's about rude, arrogant people who hail from all races, ages & sexes..so it would be better to say 'sometimes rude, arrogant people don't help themselves' I said earlier on this thread that Ive encountered white males who Ive declined, who have rudely accused me of only wanting to meet black males. Their evidence? The fact my husband happens to be black, and ironically he's the only black male Ive ever been intimate with! G | |||
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"I totally agree with you Gingerchox but I was responding to an earlier comment." No probs Black Bolt, I was just defending the likes of Chox, and other fab guys who are here who happen to be black and know how to talk to people-(_abio, _habs and your self of course! lol) | |||
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"I don't find ebony girls to be much of a turn on, half cast girls can be very sexy -or not. I could just as easily say girls with platinum blond hair do it for me either. To say "all black bastard should be shot" would be racist, to say I don't find black people attractive is possibly a result of social indoctrination but hey, we're not Benatton are we? " You're over thinking this! Personal prefernce, simple really! | |||
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"I totally agree with you Gingerchox but I was responding to an earlier comment.No probs Black Bolt, I was just defending the likes of Chox, and other fab guys who are here who happen to be black and know how to talk to people-(_abio, _habs and your self of course! lol) " Awwww! Thanks Ginger xxxxx. I think we were both trying to do the same thing but coming about it from different angles … Nice profile by the way. | |||
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