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"We don't mind showing our faces, before we placed any pics on our profile we discussed whether to do so in depth, and are fully aware people not interested in swinging may well see our pics, but as Mine or Coll's boss wouldn't really give a damn then we are lower risk than some say working more in the public eye. W " i for one would love to ba able to show face pic on profile pic but due to having a very responsible job in the health sector i darent.......usually i forward face pic quickly after making contact tho xxxxxx | |||
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"We don't mind showing our faces, before we placed any pics on our profile we discussed whether to do so in depth, and are fully aware people not interested in swinging may well see our pics, but as Mine or Coll's boss wouldn't really give a damn then we are lower risk than some say working more in the public eye. W i for one would love to ba able to show face pic on profile pic but due to having a very responsible job in the health sector i darent.......usually i forward face pic quickly after making contact tho xxxxxx" I know of people in similar situations, and filly understand why they/you choose to not show face pics openly. W | |||
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"We don't mind showing our faces, before we placed any pics on our profile we discussed whether to do so in depth, and are fully aware people not interested in swinging may well see our pics, but as Mine or Coll's boss wouldn't really give a damn then we are lower risk than some say working more in the public eye. W i for one would love to ba able to show face pic on profile pic but due to having a very responsible job in the health sector i darent.......usually i forward face pic quickly after making contact tho xxxxxx I know of people in similar situations, and filly understand why they/you choose to not show face pics openly. W " well im not risking mu ukcc pin just for the sake ov a face pic when my verifications spk for themselves and usually forward a pic withing two messages xxxxx | |||
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"Thanks to the op for raising this again ..there are loads of reasons why people will not show face pics . There are so many employment contracts now where bringing the organisation into disrepute is a sackable offence. People are facing that action on a weekly basis in the current climate as its a nice way to retrench someone without paying them compensation . Although none of us are ashamed of what we do ...it is outside the current society norm and can be classed as disrepute. Another reason is, as one guy said on the forums last week ,he had only just got access to his kids and if his ex wife found out she would have grounds to stop him . I see nothing wrong in hiding a pic ...after all we all read the profiles dont we, and if interested you can then ask for a face pic or whatever. Its good to see from the replies in this thread people are beginning to accept no pic profiles more . mr x " very true pleasure the reason we have no face pics in public gal is not because we are ashamed of what we do its the fact that we dont want are children getting affected i.e getting bullied cause mummy an daddy do what we do | |||
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"The subject comes up time and time again but after taking a look at this link do folk still think face pics are harmless? http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090331/tuk-sexiest-teacher-trouble-over-thong-w-45dbed5.html " just had a look at the link... i got my face pics in pvt gallery..just 4 friends 2 see xx | |||
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"Well there’s showing your face, then there’s showing your face in inappropriate posses, two different things in our opinion, if that said teacher was fully clothed it wouldn’t have made a story, it’s not showing your face that’s a problem, it’s what else you show alongside it." So are you saying that a facial but clothed pic would be ok? | |||
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"Well there’s showing your face, then there’s showing your face in inappropriate posses, two different things in our opinion, if that said teacher was fully clothed it wouldn’t have made a story, it’s not showing your face that’s a problem, it’s what else you show alongside it. So are you saying that a facial but clothed pic would be ok?" On here? | |||
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"mmm yeah... What Trace and Ric said Plus there is nothing disreputable about being a swinger - same as there is nothing disreputable about being gay or lesbian for example. xxxx j&r" Dependant of course on your employers interpretation of disreputable. | |||
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"wouldn't worry about those people if that is true they new you what are they doing on here 2" Easily explained, 'my friends who are swingers said they thought they recognised someone we knew so shown us the profile, and would you believe it was'. W | |||
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"Well there’s showing your face, then there’s showing your face in inappropriate posses, two different things in our opinion, if that said teacher was fully clothed it wouldn’t have made a story, it’s not showing your face that’s a problem, it’s what else you show alongside it. So are you saying that a facial but clothed pic would be ok?" On the contrary, what we were saying is it’s the raunchy pictures with face included that caused the stir, if those pictures involved were fully clothed nothing would have been said and no story for the rag. In other words, and this is just our opinion, a picture involving someone having group sex, naked, or playing with toys etc with face shown, will cause far more harm than your standard fully clothed picture, regardless of where they’re posted. | |||
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"I'd like to see them sack someone and get past a tribunal on unfair dismissal. How can having a pic on this site bring a company into disrepute unless someone tags the person with the company ? And even then ..... hmmmm mountain and mole hill springs to mind here. " If I was a teacher I would not like to put that theory to the test. In my line of work where a very high level security clearance is required I can assure you my employer does have a very robust policy with regards to disrepute, and as I have a mortgage etc etc we will not be taking any risks with face pics on here for sure | |||
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"I'd like to see them sack someone and get past a tribunal on unfair dismissal. How can having a pic on this site bring a company into disrepute unless someone tags the person with the company ? And even then ..... hmmmm mountain and mole hill springs to mind here. " Exactly!Bring it on we say.We could do with the compensation,lol. XXXX | |||
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"Your correct, it’s not difficult, well that is until you get found out to be swingers, and that’s when the difficulties may begin, surely the fact you have done so for many years would become irrelevant if you were found out tomorrow." Which is one of the reasons we decided to be open and stress free,instead of waiting for the hammer to fall.We decided when and who knew what we did.No nasty surprises waiting in the wings. Can you imagine being at a family gathering or in the works canteen and someone comes up and says "Whats this I hear about you two being swingers then?",or words to that effect. There are far too many people who relish such opportunities. We couldn't imagine that horrible, gutted feeling and tell tale beetroot faces.Much better to be able to turn round with a beaming smile and say "Absolutely true,why,do you fancy making a night of it?" XXXX | |||
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"As we mentioned before......... what Trace and Ric said Also why are people more scared of being 'outed' as swingers in a society where it is perfectly acceptable to be openly gay? Surely legislation these days protects folks from these sort of prejudices in the workplace and elsewhere? " Could you enlighten us with regards to what you both do for a living which would enable us to pursue this argument properly. | |||
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"As we mentioned before......... what Trace and Ric said Also why are people more scared of being 'outed' as swingers in a society where it is perfectly acceptable to be openly gay? Surely legislation these days protects folks from these sort of prejudices in the workplace and elsewhere? " One would hope so, but prejudice is everywhere, some people don't mind taking a risk (whatever the risk may be) and some people would rather not. W | |||
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"For example the singer Sting is openly a swinger according to magazines like 'OK' and his name isn't being dragged around the gutter press. Not that we know which sites he uses but maybe PD knows as he's well into all that tantric stuff hmmm Thinking about it PD has no profile pics...." No i am not him trust me ...but apart form the job side ...the gutter press often love outing people just to fill colunm inches and give the masses a salacious story to read on a sunday afternoon.Look how they outed max moseley and all that stuff about nazi insignia was rubbish .But to his credit he took em on ...and won, even tho it cost him 30k to do it. The PCC are a joke ...you get no warning the artical is going to appear, so you can not get an injunction under the human rights act quaranteeing privacy. And they can write what they like and you have no right to redress .That and the employers discretionary clauses is why i have no facebook and no pics ....and thats the way its staying ... to be honest i dont really find any difference i still meet great people. MR X | |||
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"As we mentioned before......... what Trace and Ric said Could you enlighten us with regards to what you both do for a living which would enable us to pursue this argument properly. " Sure We run our own business. Our employees and a few of our business associates and some friends know we are swingers. Most of our family do not know, though maybe more know than we think, it depends how much folks talk to each other. So we sit on the fence most probably you would say. Some people know but we are quite selective Only one person (one of the suppliers to our business) found out by accident we accidentally txt 'Dave' one night instead of 'Dave & Karen' and asked him and his missus to come round and give us a good seeing to lol. Suprisingly the answer came back.... 'Rich, I'm in Spain' lol We have no problem personally with those who have no face pics on profile. Those with no pics at all we do tend to not bother with though even that isn't cast iron. We choose to have them because a we don't think we are doing anything wrong and to be honest b we don't overly worry what other people think of our chosen lifestyle xx J&R | |||
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"As we mentioned before......... what Trace and Ric said Could you enlighten us with regards to what you both do for a living which would enable us to pursue this argument properly. Sure We run our own business. Our employees and a few of our business associates and some friends know we are swingers. Most of our family do not know, though maybe more know than we think, it depends how much folks talk to each other. So we sit on the fence most probably you would say. Some people know but we are quite selective Only one person (one of the suppliers to our business) found out by accident we accidentally txt 'Dave' one night instead of 'Dave & Karen' and asked him and his missus to come round and give us a good seeing to lol. Suprisingly the answer came back.... 'Rich, I'm in Spain' lol We have no problem personally with those who have no face pics on profile. Those with no pics at all we do tend to not bother with though even that isn't cast iron. We choose to have them because a we don't think we are doing anything wrong and to be honest b we don't overly worry what other people think of our chosen lifestyle xx J&R" Great position to be in I agree however we do not have that luxury unfortunately. Mrs Two2 works for the govt in a child related post. I wear a uniform and my employer has an extremely strict code with regards to conduct unbecoming. We doubt either of us would lose our jobs if our swinging lifestyle was made public but we are both under no illusion as to the damage it could have on our career prospects, hence no face pics for us | |||
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"Us women, along with black communities fought for equality and got it Gay men used to hide away, until they decided to come out and be heard, now its more socially acceptable to be gay, being gay would also have cost you your job back then, yes there’s still a few small-minded people out there but that happens with anything in life. So the question is… are we holding swinging back from being more socially acceptable by hiding the fact we enjoy the lifestyle… and in effect admitting that swinging is sordid and has no place in society. " Martin Luther King once said "eventually silence is a betrayal " but if your lively hood is at stake you just cant do anything else. 2bonks situation is a classic example and i just do not blame them or anyone else ...maybe people who discount that and critisise or put "will not consider anyone without a pic" will rethink there position as they are missing out on some great people . MR X | |||
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"We were not criticising anyone who doesn’t display face pictures on their profile, after all, we don’t, and respect peoples privacy, and in all fairness there is pictures on 2bonks profile (and very nice ones we may add) we do understand that face pics can cause harm, but what we cannot understand is people who have no pictures whatsoever and blame their job, is this just a copout? because a fully clothed body shot with no face or distinguishing marks shown should not be recognisable to any employer, and just to confirm, this is not us slating members for not having any pictures whatsoever, its merely slating people for using work as an excuse for having none rather than just saying you like your privacy, as nobody should be made display pictures if they don’t want to." cant fault you there ,your right .But at same time i cant fault the guy or woman who says its to protect there kids In some way . As you rightly and i totally agree with you it is down to the individual . In my case i want to acertain for my own reasons who i am speaking to first, before i release the pics in my private gallery. If that makes people think its too much trouble ...well hey it wasnt meant to be was it . MR X | |||
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"Us women, along with black communities fought for equality and got it Gay men used to hide away, until they decided to come out and be heard, now its more socially acceptable to be gay, being gay would also have cost you your job back then, yes there’s still a few small-minded people out there but that happens with anything in life. So the question is… are we holding swinging back from being more socially acceptable by hiding the fact we enjoy the lifestyle… and in effect admitting that swinging is sordid and has no place in society. " This is what we mean.....Only when people come out of the shaddows and stand up for their beliefs will they become socialy acceptable.This has been proved countless times throughout history,both ancient and modern.The only difference being,in ancient times you either got burned,hanged or put to the sword.These days you might have a row with your boss,SCAAAAAAARY! The old union motto,"The Workers United Will Never Be Defeated" could be likened to the swinging community,unfortunately so could "Divide And Conquer". We're just in the process of reading The Naked Civil Servant by Quinten Crisp,now there was a guy with intestinal fortitude,full respect to him........I was honestly going to say he was the kind of guy you wanted standing behind you,well maybe not lol but definitely by your side. XXXX | |||
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"I work in retail, hence my eyes are blacked out, the last thing I want when dealing with a customer complaint is for them to say..."oh I think I may have seen your penis on Fabswingers"...I would have to give them a £20 voucher at least!" now i could say something there but am far too much ov a lady to do so pmsl...... the zorro mask suits u sir xx | |||
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"I work in retail, hence my eyes are blacked out, the last thing I want when dealing with a customer complaint is for them to say..."oh I think I may have seen your penis on Fabswingers"...I would have to give them a £20 voucher at least! now i could say something there but am far too much ov a lady to do so pmsl...... the zorro mask suits u sir xx" Oh I understand that you are probably suggesting that my penis is not very big so how would they actually see it??? lol (laughing out loudly) Well, it is not big I agree, but you would not want it on your nose as a wart as my Grandad would have said, well, in fact he did say it, but not now, he is dead. | |||
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"I work in retail, hence my eyes are blacked out, the last thing I want when dealing with a customer complaint is for them to say..."oh I think I may have seen your penis on Fabswingers"...I would have to give them a £20 voucher at least! now i could say something there but am far too much ov a lady to do so pmsl...... the zorro mask suits u sir xx Oh I understand that you are probably suggesting that my penis is not very big so how would they actually see it??? lol (laughing out loudly) Well, it is not big I agree, but you would not want it on your nose as a wart as my Grandad would have said, well, in fact he did say it, but not now, he is dead." oh stop being soooooo sensitive i wud never make a comment like that xx | |||
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"I work in retail, hence my eyes are blacked out, the last thing I want when dealing with a customer complaint is for them to say..."oh I think I may have seen your penis on Fabswingers"...I would have to give them a £20 voucher at least!" Need to sort your spell checker out old chap, it's put your when I am sure you meant to put you are a...............lol | |||
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"We have face pics because,to be honest,we don't give a monkeys.We're honest about what we do and not ashamed or embarrassed in any way.If friends or anyone else has a problem with what we do,then they're friends we can do without. Yeah,yeah,we know ppl say "it's nothing to do with shame or embarrassment,it's our jobs etc".In some cases this is true but in many cases its because they just haven't got the bottle to be up front about their lifestyle and stand up to any ridicule they may get because of it. When ppl start to stand up for themselves and the lifestyle they choose without living in constant fear of being "outed",then that fear will cease to exist. We've been on the scene for about ten years now,Trace has held her current job for around twenty.Yes it does involve working with the public and school age kids daily.Most ppl where she works know what we do and she's never had any bother about it.(Lots of interest mind). We put this down to the fact that they know she'd be more than willing and capable of fighting her corner.It seems to be the "secret swingers",once discovered, are more likely to be "bullied" because the'd rather keep everything quiet and capitulate. If ppl were open about their sexuality and showed they didn't care what others thought,then the others,be it bosses or whoever,would have no power over their lifestyles.Its only when "bullies" spot a weakness that they'll try to capitalise on it. Please note,our viewpoint doesn't mean we don't respect others privacy and descretion. XXXX " We totally agree with your comments, nice to see we are not alone. | |||
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