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"I would say you're coming at this from a slightly strange angle. What he's being accused of is a catalogue of abuse, not a bit of consensual swinging. I don't doubt some of them were enjoying the lifestyle for a while, some may not see themselves as victims, but it was all for his gratification and builds up to something all together more sinister. Comparing him to us is like tarring all GPs as maniac killers just because of Harrold Shipman." Not at all. The point I’m making is that they were just doing stuff similar to what lots of people do and at the time the women didn’t refuse. Cassie Ventura, although poor compared to him ($5 million net worth compared to $500 million), could hardly claim that she couldn’t afford to walk away at any time she wanted. True, he did assault her at one time which is abhorrent, but that’s not what he’s on trial for. | |||
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"I would say you're coming at this from a slightly strange angle. What he's being accused of is a catalogue of abuse, not a bit of consensual swinging. I don't doubt some of them were enjoying the lifestyle for a while, some may not see themselves as victims, but it was all for his gratification and builds up to something all together more sinister. Comparing him to us is like tarring all GPs as maniac killers just because of Harrold Shipman. Not at all. The point I’m making is that they were just doing stuff similar to what lots of people do and at the time the women didn’t refuse. Cassie Ventura, although poor compared to him ($5 million net worth compared to $500 million), could hardly claim that she couldn’t afford to walk away at any time she wanted. True, he did assault her at one time which is abhorrent, but that’s not what he’s on trial for." You're saying the women in this case are going through this for money? | |||
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"I would say you're coming at this from a slightly strange angle. What he's being accused of is a catalogue of abuse, not a bit of consensual swinging. I don't doubt some of them were enjoying the lifestyle for a while, some may not see themselves as victims, but it was all for his gratification and builds up to something all together more sinister. Comparing him to us is like tarring all GPs as maniac killers just because of Harrold Shipman. Not at all. The point I’m making is that they were just doing stuff similar to what lots of people do and at the time the women didn’t refuse. Cassie Ventura, although poor compared to him ($5 million net worth compared to $500 million), could hardly claim that she couldn’t afford to walk away at any time she wanted. True, he did assault her at one time which is abhorrent, but that’s not what he’s on trial for." People like you are the reason victim's are not believed when they come forward. Has it occurred to you that the females concerned may well have been too afraid to leave? Have you ever been in a coercive, violent or abusive relationship?? Do you really think all of the alleged victims are just doing it to get money? I think you have shown your own colours here, your mind is in the gutter. | |||
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"I would say you're coming at this from a slightly strange angle. What he's being accused of is a catalogue of abuse, not a bit of consensual swinging. I don't doubt some of them were enjoying the lifestyle for a while, some may not see themselves as victims, but it was all for his gratification and builds up to something all together more sinister. Comparing him to us is like tarring all GPs as maniac killers just because of Harrold Shipman. Not at all. The point I’m making is that they were just doing stuff similar to what lots of people do and at the time the women didn’t refuse. Cassie Ventura, although poor compared to him ($5 million net worth compared to $500 million), could hardly claim that she couldn’t afford to walk away at any time she wanted. True, he did assault her at one time which is abhorrent, but that’s not what he’s on trial for. You're saying the women in this case are going through this for money? " I don’t know. They both testified that at the time they did the things in question they did them because they loved him and they wanted to please him. I imagine there’s an element of that in a lot of swinging relationships - One partner wanting to fulfil the fantasies of the other because making the other happy is a fulfilment of it’s own kind for them. There’s a huge potential pot of compensation. Half a billion dollars. People do terrible things up to and including murder for a lot less. It’s a question the defence will definitely raise in closing arguments and that the jury will have to consider. | |||
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"I would say you're coming at this from a slightly strange angle. What he's being accused of is a catalogue of abuse, not a bit of consensual swinging. I don't doubt some of them were enjoying the lifestyle for a while, some may not see themselves as victims, but it was all for his gratification and builds up to something all together more sinister. Comparing him to us is like tarring all GPs as maniac killers just because of Harrold Shipman. Not at all. The point I’m making is that they were just doing stuff similar to what lots of people do and at the time the women didn’t refuse. Cassie Ventura, although poor compared to him ($5 million net worth compared to $500 million), could hardly claim that she couldn’t afford to walk away at any time she wanted. True, he did assault her at one time which is abhorrent, but that’s not what he’s on trial for. People like you are the reason victim's are not believed when they come forward. Has it occurred to you that the females concerned may well have been too afraid to leave? Have you ever been in a coercive, violent or abusive relationship?? Do you really think all of the alleged victims are just doing it to get money? I think you have shown your own colours here, your mind is in the gutter. " Yes, it’s possible that they were afraid to leave, and I understand the danger of coercive control. I’ll never be narrow minded enough to think that just because someone makes an allegation it’s automatically true though. Sometimes investigators and prosecutors are too ready to push things forwards particularly when there’s a celebrity suspect and they might get some personal recognition out of it. I remember the senior Police Officer for a case involving Harvey Proctor and other politicians as the accused describing the allegations of the accuser being ‘credible and true’ outside New Scotland Yard, and long before any charges were laid. That investigation actually ended up with the accuser being imprisoned for perverting the course of justice. It happens. The P. Diddy trial certainly smacks of a hatchet job in some aspects. He hired established male ‘performers’ - American citizens, paying them thousands of dollars. Some of them got a joy ride across state boundaries on his private jet to the meets (something that I think most people would find a treat). Because of that they’re trying to convict him of ‘sex trafficking’. Seriously! Sex trafficking legislation was designed to protect poor and vulnerable people, predominantly women who are often taken to another country, imprisoned in a brothel and sold by the hour. | |||
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"I would say you're coming at this from a slightly strange angle. What he's being accused of is a catalogue of abuse, not a bit of consensual swinging. I don't doubt some of them were enjoying the lifestyle for a while, some may not see themselves as victims, but it was all for his gratification and builds up to something all together more sinister. Comparing him to us is like tarring all GPs as maniac killers just because of Harrold Shipman. Not at all. The point I’m making is that they were just doing stuff similar to what lots of people do and at the time the women didn’t refuse. Cassie Ventura, although poor compared to him ($5 million net worth compared to $500 million), could hardly claim that she couldn’t afford to walk away at any time she wanted. True, he did assault her at one time which is abhorrent, but that’s not what he’s on trial for. You're saying the women in this case are going through this for money? I don’t know. They both testified that at the time they did the things in question they did them because they loved him and they wanted to please him. I imagine there’s an element of that in a lot of swinging relationships - One partner wanting to fulfil the fantasies of the other because making the other happy is a fulfilment of it’s own kind for them. There’s a huge potential pot of compensation. Half a billion dollars. People do terrible things up to and including murder for a lot less. It’s a question the defence will definitely raise in closing arguments and that the jury will have to consider." Yes it is. It's an argument frequently put forward when women bring these sort of cases. | |||
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"I would say you're coming at this from a slightly strange angle. What he's being accused of is a catalogue of abuse, not a bit of consensual swinging. I don't doubt some of them were enjoying the lifestyle for a while, some may not see themselves as victims, but it was all for his gratification and builds up to something all together more sinister. Comparing him to us is like tarring all GPs as maniac killers just because of Harrold Shipman. Not at all. The point I’m making is that they were just doing stuff similar to what lots of people do and at the time the women didn’t refuse. Cassie Ventura, although poor compared to him ($5 million net worth compared to $500 million), could hardly claim that she couldn’t afford to walk away at any time she wanted. True, he did assault her at one time which is abhorrent, but that’s not what he’s on trial for. You're saying the women in this case are going through this for money? I don’t know. They both testified that at the time they did the things in question they did them because they loved him and they wanted to please him. I imagine there’s an element of that in a lot of swinging relationships - One partner wanting to fulfil the fantasies of the other because making the other happy is a fulfilment of it’s own kind for them. There’s a huge potential pot of compensation. Half a billion dollars. People do terrible things up to and including murder for a lot less. It’s a question the defence will definitely raise in closing arguments and that the jury will have to consider. Yes it is. It's an argument frequently put forward when women bring these sort of cases. " I did a bit of Googling and there is a lawyer representing 170 people both male and female, and none of whom are anything to do with the prosecution and all are making civil claims against him. All they can get from that is damages (money) so it’s certainly a motivation. There may be merit or not in any of those cases (probably a mixture). Some of the male ones seem utterly ridiculous. I must say I’ll find it really laughable if a male ‘performer’ who’s done it for money with lots of other customers manages to sue him for ‘trafficking’ them when all that happened is they got a free lift to the job in his jet and they happened to cross a state line. - It’s just a Gucci version of the Uber that many ‘performers’ both male and female might take to meet their clients, and the client picks up the tab. | |||
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