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"As the mum of a young trans son, I find it sad how many people are so against the trans community. This ruling is cloaked as protection for women but it’s so far away from that. So many people use the bathroom argument, I hope they realise that there will be nothing stopping cis men from walking freely into the ladies bathroom now and claiming to be a trans man. I have never felt threatened by a trans woman. My son isn’t a danger to anyone, he’s just a boy trying to live his life. " No such thing as all this ‘cos’ nonsense! It’s men or women, end of discussion | |||
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"No such thing as all this ‘cos’ nonsense!" Just a bunch of wet lettuce really 💚 | |||
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"The courts have simply added clarity to biological definition. I don't see it causing radical because it doesn't change Transwomens right to recognition or protection from discrimination. So we still have the same difficulties between balancing transwomens rights to live with respect and dignity vs the rights to privacy and dignity of biological women who do not wish to share certain spaces with transwoman. So courts simply ruling on a definition that is genrally accepted anyway I don't see changes much. Organisations still have figure out the best ways to provide dignity and fairness to all and stay within the law. Which to be fair is not an task and some could argue is even more difficult now post this ruling. What I do find interesting is the Organisations that have took a strong moral stance on saying Transwomen should share all women's spaces now back peddling and apologising like mental. It would appear their stance was actually not a moral principled one at all or they'd continue to stand by it. Turns out they'll just say/do anything they feel goes with the current prevailing winds. Which I'm sure feels a bit of a stab in the back to some transwomen who thought these organisations genuinely supported them. Mr" Interesting point. Which organisations have done this? | |||
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"The courts have simply added clarity to biological definition. I don't see it causing radical because it doesn't change Transwomens right to recognition or protection from discrimination. So we still have the same difficulties between balancing transwomens rights to live with respect and dignity vs the rights to privacy and dignity of biological women who do not wish to share certain spaces with transwoman. So courts simply ruling on a definition that is genrally accepted anyway I don't see changes much. Organisations still have figure out the best ways to provide dignity and fairness to all and stay within the law. Which to be fair is not an task and some could argue is even more difficult now post this ruling. What I do find interesting is the Organisations that have took a strong moral stance on saying Transwomen should share all women's spaces now back peddling and apologising like mental. It would appear their stance was actually not a moral principled one at all or they'd continue to stand by it. Turns out they'll just say/do anything they feel goes with the current prevailing winds. Which I'm sure feels a bit of a stab in the back to some transwomen who thought these organisations genuinely supported them. Mr" It goes so much deeper than the actual ruling though. Trans medial care on the nhs is being stripped right back. Thousands of trans people buy their medication from abroad as it’s far cheaper than in this country and it’s not readily available on the nhs. Those patients pay privately for their medication but see a gp for regular blood tests to keep an eye on their levels etc. that service has now been removed. That goes in no way to protect cis women. Non medical support for trans people under 18 has been reduced to two clinics for the whole country, one in Liverpool, one in London. That goes in no way to protect cis women. It’s now been announced that male police will have the right to search trans women….there is nothing in place to stop them searching a cis woman and claiming they believed them to be trans. That goes in no way to protect cis women. The majority of what is going on at the moment has nothing to do with protecting cis women, it’s is very much about suppressing trans people as a whole and in my opinion it is a huge step backwards. Trans people represent such a tiny minority of the country yet people seem determined to erase them which is really sad. | |||
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"The courts have simply added clarity to biological definition. I don't see it causing radical because it doesn't change Transwomens right to recognition or protection from discrimination. So we still have the same difficulties between balancing transwomens rights to live with respect and dignity vs the rights to privacy and dignity of biological women who do not wish to share certain spaces with transwoman. So courts simply ruling on a definition that is genrally accepted anyway I don't see changes much. Organisations still have figure out the best ways to provide dignity and fairness to all and stay within the law. Which to be fair is not an task and some could argue is even more difficult now post this ruling. What I do find interesting is the Organisations that have took a strong moral stance on saying Transwomen should share all women's spaces now back peddling and apologising like mental. It would appear their stance was actually not a moral principled one at all or they'd continue to stand by it. Turns out they'll just say/do anything they feel goes with the current prevailing winds. Which I'm sure feels a bit of a stab in the back to some transwomen who thought these organisations genuinely supported them. Mr It goes so much deeper than the actual ruling though. Trans medial care on the nhs is being stripped right back. Thousands of trans people buy their medication from abroad as it’s far cheaper than in this country and it’s not readily available on the nhs. Those patients pay privately for their medication but see a gp for regular blood tests to keep an eye on their levels etc. that service has now been removed. That goes in no way to protect cis women. Non medical support for trans people under 18 has been reduced to two clinics for the whole country, one in Liverpool, one in London. That goes in no way to protect cis women. It’s now been announced that male police will have the right to search trans women….there is nothing in place to stop them searching a cis woman and claiming they believed them to be trans. That goes in no way to protect cis women. The majority of what is going on at the moment has nothing to do with protecting cis women, it’s is very much about suppressing trans people as a whole and in my opinion it is a huge step backwards. Trans people represent such a tiny minority of the country yet people seem determined to erase them which is really sad. " And this is where bodies and organisations have taken this ruling as a carte blanche permission to totally overturn norms that open themselves up to future discrimination cases from the Trans community. They've taken the simple biological definition and used it to overturn so many of the practices they were bosting about pre this ruling. As to me this ruling alone doesn't change much either way in the debate and fight. | |||
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"The courts have simply added clarity to biological definition. I don't see it causing radical because it doesn't change Transwomens right to recognition or protection from discrimination. So we still have the same difficulties between balancing transwomens rights to live with respect and dignity vs the rights to privacy and dignity of biological women who do not wish to share certain spaces with transwoman. So courts simply ruling on a definition that is genrally accepted anyway I don't see changes much. Organisations still have figure out the best ways to provide dignity and fairness to all and stay within the law. Which to be fair is not an task and some could argue is even more difficult now post this ruling. What I do find interesting is the Organisations that have took a strong moral stance on saying Transwomen should share all women's spaces now back peddling and apologising like mental. It would appear their stance was actually not a moral principled one at all or they'd continue to stand by it. Turns out they'll just say/do anything they feel goes with the current prevailing winds. Which I'm sure feels a bit of a stab in the back to some transwomen who thought these organisations genuinely supported them. Mr It goes so much deeper than the actual ruling though. Trans medial care on the nhs is being stripped right back. Thousands of trans people buy their medication from abroad as it’s far cheaper than in this country and it’s not readily available on the nhs. Those patients pay privately for their medication but see a gp for regular blood tests to keep an eye on their levels etc. that service has now been removed. That goes in no way to protect cis women. Non medical support for trans people under 18 has been reduced to two clinics for the whole country, one in Liverpool, one in London. That goes in no way to protect cis women. It’s now been announced that male police will have the right to search trans women….there is nothing in place to stop them searching a cis woman and claiming they believed them to be trans. That goes in no way to protect cis women. The majority of what is going on at the moment has nothing to do with protecting cis women, it’s is very much about suppressing trans people as a whole and in my opinion it is a huge step backwards. Trans people represent such a tiny minority of the country yet people seem determined to erase them which is really sad. And this is where bodies and organisations have taken this ruling as a carte blanche permission to totally overturn norms that open themselves up to future discrimination cases from the Trans community. They've taken the simple biological definition and used it to overturn so many of the practices they were bosting about pre this ruling. As to me this ruling alone doesn't change much either way in the debate and fight." It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. | |||
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" It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. " It was a Supreme Court ruling and any “feminist “ who thinks it’s a win are mistaken, it is a huge step backwards for all women! It’s not about trans women, it’s about patriarchal control over all women. It might be seem to be about chromosomes but it’s actually about how womanhood is being defined - forcing us to prove our womanhood through their sexist backward ideas of how a woman should look, behave, act and live. It’s not about protection. It’s about control over women’s bodies, identities and freedoms dressed up as “for our own safety” and this is just the start | |||
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" It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. It was a Supreme Court ruling and any “feminist “ who thinks it’s a win are mistaken, it is a huge step backwards for all women! It’s not about trans women, it’s about patriarchal control over all women. It might be seem to be about chromosomes but it’s actually about how womanhood is being defined - forcing us to prove our womanhood through their sexist backward ideas of how a woman should look, behave, act and live. It’s not about protection. It’s about control over women’s bodies, identities and freedoms dressed up as “for our own safety” and this is just the start " Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else " So you agree it's silly then? Since my partner who does not have a pussy and does have a cock is now classified as female in equality law? 💜 | |||
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" It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. It was a Supreme Court ruling and any “feminist “ who thinks it’s a win are mistaken, it is a huge step backwards for all women! It’s not about trans women, it’s about patriarchal control over all women. It might be seem to be about chromosomes but it’s actually about how womanhood is being defined - forcing us to prove our womanhood through their sexist backward ideas of how a woman should look, behave, act and live. It’s not about protection. It’s about control over women’s bodies, identities and freedoms dressed up as “for our own safety” and this is just the start " Care to expand on how this is about patriarchal control. Wasn't this case driven by women? | |||
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" It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. It was a Supreme Court ruling and any “feminist “ who thinks it’s a win are mistaken, it is a huge step backwards for all women! It’s not about trans women, it’s about patriarchal control over all women. It might be seem to be about chromosomes but it’s actually about how womanhood is being defined - forcing us to prove our womanhood through their sexist backward ideas of how a woman should look, behave, act and live. It’s not about protection. It’s about control over women’s bodies, identities and freedoms dressed up as “for our own safety” and this is just the start Care to expand on how this is about patriarchal control. Wasn't this case driven by women?" Oh please. Why do you want to let facts get in the way of a good moan about not being able to call a bucket a spade. | |||
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"I cant stand the ignorance of people in support of this ignorant ruling made out of ignorance. The social media trolls, laughing, comments like 'common sense at last' try show a little empathy and who your comments reach and hurt. You have no idea what people go though and how this will effect thousands of people. Biology is not so black and white otherwise we wouldn't have trans, gay, lesbian and all. As for those who are trans, stay strong, don't let them win, you are supported, things will be moderfied, and this madness will pass." No, the madness has now passed 
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"Tell that to the women and men who have transitioned and now feel isolated, displaced, or suicidal because such clarity was needed for those who it doesn't remotely concern" To whom are you referring. Who got clarity unnecessarily? | |||
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"Tell that to the women and men who have transitioned and now feel isolated, displaced, or suicidal because such clarity was needed for those who it doesn't remotely concern Regret rates for transition are extremely low and less than for other surgeries. And not just handed out on a whim. The few that do change back should absolutley be supported, but that doesnt mean the vast majority who are happy should miss support." Regret rates for Harry Potter tattoos are higher then regret rates for transitioning 💜 | |||
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" It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. It was a Supreme Court ruling and any “feminist “ who thinks it’s a win are mistaken, it is a huge step backwards for all women! It’s not about trans women, it’s about patriarchal control over all women. It might be seem to be about chromosomes but it’s actually about how womanhood is being defined - forcing us to prove our womanhood through their sexist backward ideas of how a woman should look, behave, act and live. It’s not about protection. It’s about control over women’s bodies, identities and freedoms dressed up as “for our own safety” and this is just the start Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else " 💯 | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else 💯 " Sounds like volunteers for toilet genital inspectors!   | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else 💯 Sounds like volunteers for toilet genital inspectors! "For stating Facts!! | |||
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"I feel for the Trans community, you know what it will mean more Trans discrimination and phobia. what about their rights. step back in my opinion. " Their are already laws against discrimination | |||
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"I feel for the Trans community, you know what it will mean more Trans discrimination and phobia. what about their rights. step back in my opinion. Their are already laws against discrimination " And you can already see how much more vocal people have become about other people's identities. Technically I suppose it isn't an increase in discrimination and phobia, but it's certainly encouraged more outward expression of both for the time being 💜 | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else 💯 Sounds like volunteers for toilet genital inspectors!
For stating Facts!!"Your are forgetting intersex for a start | |||
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"Tell that to the women and men who have transitioned and now feel isolated, displaced, or suicidal because such clarity was needed for those who it doesn't remotely concern" Fear has driven the definition, fear of those who are deemed different/deviant. Is it that difficult to treat people with dignity, respect and compassion for their personal choices? It’s not my business how someone lives their life so long as they’re not hurting anyone else. Using “keeping women safe” is just an excuse for perpetuating hate and fear. I don’t fear the toilets or who is hiding in them just waiting, I fear the boys who are growing up encouraged to treat my daughters as commodities and degrade them | |||
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"Tell that to the women and men who have transitioned and now feel isolated, displaced, or suicidal because such clarity was needed for those who it doesn't remotely concern Fear has driven the definition, fear of those who are deemed different/deviant. Is it that difficult to treat people with dignity, respect and compassion for their personal choices? It’s not my business how someone lives their life so long as they’re not hurting anyone else. Using “keeping women safe” is just an excuse for perpetuating hate and fear. I don’t fear the toilets or who is hiding in them just waiting, I fear the boys who are growing up encouraged to treat my daughters as commodities and degrade them" The keep woman safe is not the only argument is it though. Some woman don't want to share female only places on grounds of religion or just plain onld reasons of modesty. It's perfectly fine to allow for the feelings and opinions of trans people but if you are with that then surely you should allow the same for the woman who have expressed their opinion. As for being safe and how you feel that this is not really an issue for Trans woman as they are not a threat, that's not exactly true. Yes lots might not be a threat just like most guys are not a threat. However the percentage of Trans woman in jail in the UK has a very high percentage of sex offenders. Approximately 70% of these prisoners have at least one sex crime offence against their nae, which is much, much higher than the general prison population. Bad people are bad, male, female or trans, Mrs x | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else 💯 Sounds like volunteers for toilet genital inspectors!
For stating Facts!!
Your are forgetting intersex for a start "Fact again intersex isn't a third gender | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else 💯 Sounds like volunteers for toilet genital inspectors!
For stating Facts!!
Your are forgetting intersex for a start
Fact again intersex isn't a third gender "The ruling wasn't on gender, it was on sex. The equality act has a separate line for gender 💜 | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else 💯 Sounds like volunteers for toilet genital inspectors!
For stating Facts!!
Your are forgetting intersex for a start
Fact again intersex isn't a third gender
The ruling wasn't on gender, it was on sex. The equality act has a separate line for gender 💜"Reference to previous quote Genders! Male Female Nothing else ! Quoted intersex Not a third a Gender | |||
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"Reference to previous quote Genders! Male Female Nothing else ! Quoted intersex Not a third a Gender " I see no reference to gender rather than sex in either your post or the person you quoted. Gender reassignment is still a separate quantity on the equality act. 💜 | |||
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" Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else 💯 Sounds like volunteers for toilet genital inspectors!
For stating Facts!!
Your are forgetting intersex for a start
Fact again intersex isn't a third gender
The ruling wasn't on gender, it was on sex. The equality act has a separate line for gender 💜
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Genders!
Male
Female
Nothing else !
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Gender "Gender is a social construct. The court ruled on sex on the EA act only. Personally I don’t try to judge. I take people on their empathy and quality of character than some judgement on sex. | |||
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"Tell that to the women and men who have transitioned and now feel isolated, displaced, or suicidal because such clarity was needed for those who it doesn't remotely concern To whom are you referring. Who got clarity unnecessarily?" By _iggs2003Find posts by _iggs2003 Man just this minute! The 'Karen's' and JK transphobes wanted clarity written in law to back their self entitled agenda under the false flag of feminism, without giving any thought to the damage this would do to people just wanting to go about their lives. | |||
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"Yet again, unfortunately, it's a minority that have abused the situation to their advantage, that has resulted in a genuine community of people being shunned in society. Why can't we all just play by the rules and live and let live" Can you clarify who you think has abused the situation and who has been shunned because of this, it's not very clear from your post, Mrs x | |||
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"The one factor uniting all trans woman, no matter what stage of their transition they are currently at, is that they were all men initially. You can call yourself whatever you want, identify how ever you like, live your life anyway you choose but you cannot deny this simple truth. Mrs x" True. One can’t change their chromosomal sex. I don’t think any one who is trans suggests that. However gender and sex are complicated things. Nothing is ever black and white as some would like. Some seem to think we transition and go through all the shite we get for some type of fetish. Believe you me, if I could have stayed a white guy in the west in a patriachial structure I would have. Our choice is usually transition to ease the pain or die. Second one seemed pretty one way so I did the other and am very happy with it. I wouldn’t wish dysphoria on anyone. All we get is shat on by everyone at the lower end of the social pile. Discrimination is rife. Yes the EA gives some protection. But I’m living my best life and minding my own business and just trying to pass unnoticed mostly to blend and not stand out. And no one mentions trans men or defines men in the Supreme Court. There are just as many as transwomen. They just blend so much easier due to the power of testosterone. And see the benefit of patriachial uplift. Really trans people should be best allies, as the blending of the gender binary and recognising people as individuals and holding them accountable on that basis for their deeds is a good thing. I’ll move on now. Trans is my best life, but it’s far from a dream. We were all trans kids once, just hidden. | |||
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"The one factor uniting all trans woman, no matter what stage of their transition they are currently at, is that they were all men initially. You can call yourself whatever you want, identify how ever you like, live your life anyway you choose but you cannot deny this simple truth. Mrs x True. One can’t change their chromosomal sex. I don’t think any one who is trans suggests that. However gender and sex are complicated things. Nothing is ever black and white as some would like. Some seem to think we transition and go through all the shite we get for some type of fetish. Believe you me, if I could have stayed a white guy in the west in a patriachial structure I would have. Our choice is usually transition to ease the pain or die. Second one seemed pretty one way so I did the other and am very happy with it. I wouldn’t wish dysphoria on anyone. All we get is shat on by everyone at the lower end of the social pile. Discrimination is rife. Yes the EA gives some protection. But I’m living my best life and minding my own business and just trying to pass unnoticed mostly to blend and not stand out. And no one mentions trans men or defines men in the Supreme Court. There are just as many as transwomen. They just blend so much easier due to the power of testosterone. And see the benefit of patriachial uplift. Really trans people should be best allies, as the blending of the gender binary and recognising people as individuals and holding them accountable on that basis for their deeds is a good thing. I’ll move on now. Trans is my best life, but it’s far from a dream. We were all trans kids once, just hidden." Can I ask how and why you feel shat upon and discriminated against? I think trans people have gained lots of rights and protections under the legal system and have done so far quicker then those of the gay community, considering how short a period in history someone has actually been able to transition. If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x | |||
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"If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x" I didn't quite grasp the Waspi issue. Wasn't equalising retirement ages really just a part of getting closer to equality? Trans people have existed throughout history, long before we had the medical science to allow a surgical transition. Roman emperors slaughtered for wanting to be referred to as she, Albert Cashier having everything taken from him and left to rot in an asylum for daring to live his life as a man. 'Yeah well we've suffered more than them' doesn't seem like a much of an argument against people who continue to suffer. | |||
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"If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x I didn't quite grasp the Waspi issue. Wasn't equalising retirement ages really just a part of getting closer to equality? Trans people have existed throughout history, long before we had the medical science to allow a surgical transition. Roman emperors slaughtered for wanting to be referred to as she, Albert Cashier having everything taken from him and left to rot in an asylum for daring to live his life as a man. 'Yeah well we've suffered more than them' doesn't seem like a much of an argument against people who continue to suffer." Trans people haven't, people who may have wanted to transition may have but trans people definitely haven't, considering the 1st sex change operation only happened in the 1930s. If I use your logic I could say throughout history people have become birds because of all the evidence that they strapped something to their backs and jumped off something tall believing they would soar into the sky. Obviously reality kicks in and with gravity they learnt the error of their ways. These bird people are just awaiting technology to catch up with their 'feelings'. Their first sex change moment as you were but until that becomes a viable option nobody has ever transitioned into a bird, including Icarus. Mrs x | |||
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"The one factor uniting all trans woman, no matter what stage of their transition they are currently at, is that they were all men initially. You can call yourself whatever you want, identify how ever you like, live your life anyway you choose but you cannot deny this simple truth. Mrs x True. One can’t change their chromosomal sex. I don’t think any one who is trans suggests that. However gender and sex are complicated things. Nothing is ever black and white as some would like. Some seem to think we transition and go through all the shite we get for some type of fetish. Believe you me, if I could have stayed a white guy in the west in a patriachial structure I would have. Our choice is usually transition to ease the pain or die. Second one seemed pretty one way so I did the other and am very happy with it. I wouldn’t wish dysphoria on anyone. All we get is shat on by everyone at the lower end of the social pile. Discrimination is rife. Yes the EA gives some protection. But I’m living my best life and minding my own business and just trying to pass unnoticed mostly to blend and not stand out. And no one mentions trans men or defines men in the Supreme Court. There are just as many as transwomen. They just blend so much easier due to the power of testosterone. And see the benefit of patriachial uplift. Really trans people should be best allies, as the blending of the gender binary and recognising people as individuals and holding them accountable on that basis for their deeds is a good thing. I’ll move on now. Trans is my best life, but it’s far from a dream. We were all trans kids once, just hidden.Can I ask how and why you feel shat upon and discriminated against? I think trans people have gained lots of rights and protections under the legal system and have done so far quicker then those of the gay community, considering how short a period in history someone has actually been able to transition. If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x" Correct as we get shat on as women too and have had to hide away for centuries for persecution. But the point is. Trans people are not a threat to women. But I’m not having a who has it worse competition. This is precisely what we have to endure. No point being here. | |||
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"If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x I didn't quite grasp the Waspi issue. Wasn't equalising retirement ages really just a part of getting closer to equality? Trans people have existed throughout history, long before we had the medical science to allow a surgical transition. Roman emperors slaughtered for wanting to be referred to as she, Albert Cashier having everything taken from him and left to rot in an asylum for daring to live his life as a man. 'Yeah well we've suffered more than them' doesn't seem like a much of an argument against people who continue to suffer.Trans people haven't, people who may have wanted to transition may have but trans people definitely haven't, considering the 1st sex change operation only happened in the 1930s. If I use your logic I could say throughout history people have become birds because of all the evidence that they strapped something to their backs and jumped off something tall believing they would soar into the sky. Obviously reality kicks in and with gravity they learnt the error of their ways. These bird people are just awaiting technology to catch up with their 'feelings'. Their first sex change moment as you were but until that becomes a viable option nobody has ever transitioned into a bird, including Icarus. Mrs x" You might want to read a little wider. Trans have always existed and lived in their preferred gender where they can. It’s not always about an operation. That helps. But really, I’m not going to be bulied on here. I only need to read the papers or go to work for that. | |||
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"If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x I didn't quite grasp the Waspi issue. Wasn't equalising retirement ages really just a part of getting closer to equality? Trans people have existed throughout history, long before we had the medical science to allow a surgical transition. Roman emperors slaughtered for wanting to be referred to as she, Albert Cashier having everything taken from him and left to rot in an asylum for daring to live his life as a man. 'Yeah well we've suffered more than them' doesn't seem like a much of an argument against people who continue to suffer.Trans people haven't, people who may have wanted to transition may have but trans people definitely haven't, considering the 1st sex change operation only happened in the 1930s. If I use your logic I could say throughout history people have become birds because of all the evidence that they strapped something to their backs and jumped off something tall believing they would soar into the sky. Obviously reality kicks in and with gravity they learnt the error of their ways. These bird people are just awaiting technology to catch up with their 'feelings'. Their first sex change moment as you were but until that becomes a viable option nobody has ever transitioned into a bird, including Icarus. Mrs x You might want to read a little wider. Trans have always existed and lived in their preferred gender where they can. It’s not always about an operation. That helps. But really, I’m not going to be bulied on here. I only need to read the papers or go to work for that." Why do you feel bullied, I've just asked you why you feel a certain way. I explained ed why woman might feel a certain way and your feelings are shared by woman and tge reasons why I believe that. I think you need to look at what bullying really is. As for my wider reading, it's impossible fir anyone to have transitioned before tge 1930s because tge technology simply didn't exist, it was a medical impossibility before then. That's not my opinion it's a fact, reality, evidence based upon science, which cannot be disputed. People may have wanted to transition but it was pointless because they simply couldn't. Mrs x | |||
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"If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x I didn't quite grasp the Waspi issue. Wasn't equalising retirement ages really just a part of getting closer to equality? Trans people have existed throughout history, long before we had the medical science to allow a surgical transition. Roman emperors slaughtered for wanting to be referred to as she, Albert Cashier having everything taken from him and left to rot in an asylum for daring to live his life as a man. 'Yeah well we've suffered more than them' doesn't seem like a much of an argument against people who continue to suffer.Trans people haven't, people who may have wanted to transition may have but trans people definitely haven't, considering the 1st sex change operation only happened in the 1930s. If I use your logic I could say throughout history people have become birds because of all the evidence that they strapped something to their backs and jumped off something tall believing they would soar into the sky. Obviously reality kicks in and with gravity they learnt the error of their ways. These bird people are just awaiting technology to catch up with their 'feelings'. Their first sex change moment as you were but until that becomes a viable option nobody has ever transitioned into a bird, including Icarus. Mrs x You might want to read a little wider. Trans have always existed and lived in their preferred gender where they can. It’s not always about an operation. That helps. But really, I’m not going to be bulied on here. I only need to read the papers or go to work for that." You have my support,the womans clearly a troll,I'd leave her to her mad rantings personally,as long as there have been men and women there have been trans,ach I can't be bothered to pitch in im sorry,these arses have always existed too unfortunately,its an unwinnable argument with them so I try not to engage. | |||
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"If you feel discriminated then imagine how woman have felt over the years. Going back through history just some of tge things woman endured such as not being able to be educated, being actual 'property' of her husband after marriage,not bring able to vote not having control over her own body re abortion, not being able to own property or even have bank accounts, here's a belter not being able to complain about being r#ped by her husband until 1991 because before then a husband could not be found guilty of r@ping his wife. So as much as I think Trans woman deserve protection under the law I also think woman do too. I also think that when trans people, particularly trans woman complain about discrimination and being shat upon they should consider what woman have gone through, it's not exclusive to the trans community as has affected woman for far longer. And it continues to this day, look at the Waspi woman Mrs x I didn't quite grasp the Waspi issue. Wasn't equalising retirement ages really just a part of getting closer to equality? Trans people have existed throughout history, long before we had the medical science to allow a surgical transition. Roman emperors slaughtered for wanting to be referred to as she, Albert Cashier having everything taken from him and left to rot in an asylum for daring to live his life as a man. 'Yeah well we've suffered more than them' doesn't seem like a much of an argument against people who continue to suffer.Trans people haven't, people who may have wanted to transition may have but trans people definitely haven't, considering the 1st sex change operation only happened in the 1930s. If I use your logic I could say throughout history people have become birds because of all the evidence that they strapped something to their backs and jumped off something tall believing they would soar into the sky. Obviously reality kicks in and with gravity they learnt the error of their ways. These bird people are just awaiting technology to catch up with their 'feelings'. Their first sex change moment as you were but until that becomes a viable option nobody has ever transitioned into a bird, including Icarus. Mrs x You might want to read a little wider. Trans have always existed and lived in their preferred gender where they can. It’s not always about an operation. That helps. But really, I’m not going to be bulied on here. I only need to read the papers or go to work for that. You have my support,the womans clearly a troll,I'd leave her to her mad rantings personally,as long as there have been men and women there have been trans,ach I can't be bothered to pitch in im sorry,these arses have always existed too unfortunately,its an unwinnable argument with them so I try not to engage." Funny how people think they can attack the poster and not the post but carry on it just shows the element within the trans community that denies actually reality and goes on a rant due to their feelings being hurt. So which part have I trolled anyone. And no trans people have not always existed. You cannot exist if you can't be. It just reality, 1931 Dora Richter first sex change, until then nobody had transitioned from one sex to another because it was impossible. You might as well claim Astronauts have always existed to because man has always looked to the stars. So using your logic there's always been Astronauts because Yuri Gagarin went into space and became the first. If you cannot dispute anything I say with facts, use name calling, that will change my mind and tge nature of reality itself... not haha, Mrs x | |||
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"Trans people haven't, people who may have wanted to transition may have but trans people definitely haven't, considering the 1st sex change operation only happened in the 1930s. If I use your logic I could say throughout history people have become birds because of all the evidence that they strapped something to their backs and jumped off something tall believing they would soar into the sky. Obviously reality kicks in and with gravity they learnt the error of their ways. These bird people are just awaiting technology to catch up with their 'feelings'. Their first sex change moment as you were but until that becomes a viable option nobody has ever transitioned into a bird, including Icarus. Mrs x" The majority of trans people currently have not completed their surgical transition. Many never will. They still live their lives as the gender they align with. The term trans may have only come into use in the past century or so, and the medical science is still learning. But those people have existed for millennia. And have been murdered for it for millennia. We didn't have a word for cancer until the medical science caught up. Women just got itchy tits and died at 30 back before we had a name for it. It was still cancer, even if we didn't have any form of treatment or understanding of it. Could you explain the Waspi issue for me? Or why "we had it worse before" means people should continue to suffer just because they're not like you? | |||
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"Trans people haven't, people who may have wanted to transition may have but trans people definitely haven't, considering the 1st sex change operation only happened in the 1930s. If I use your logic I could say throughout history people have become birds because of all the evidence that they strapped something to their backs and jumped off something tall believing they would soar into the sky. Obviously reality kicks in and with gravity they learnt the error of their ways. These bird people are just awaiting technology to catch up with their 'feelings'. Their first sex change moment as you were but until that becomes a viable option nobody has ever transitioned into a bird, including Icarus. Mrs x The majority of trans people currently have not completed their surgical transition. Many never will. They still live their lives as the gender they align with. The term trans may have only come into use in the past century or so, and the medical science is still learning. But those people have existed for millennia. And have been murdered for it for millennia. We didn't have a word for cancer until the medical science caught up. Women just got itchy tits and died at 30 back before we had a name for it. It was still cancer, even if we didn't have any form of treatment or understanding of it. Could you explain the Waspi issue for me? Or why "we had it worse before" means people should continue to suffer just because they're not like you?" The Waspi is is an issue because woman of a certain age have been discriminated against hence why they are in the news. Trans people have not existed for millenia. If you couldn't transition how could you be Trans? That's just a fact the word transition means going from one thing to another, without that journey nothing transitions, it's just impossible, the journey is essential but just another denial of reality, facts or science. 1931 Dora Richter considered the first Trans person in history. She was lucky because fir guys it was the 40's, I think 1945 before a guy could female to male transition could take place with a functioning penis. Your point about cancer is not only strange, because we did have a name for it going back for thousands of years. But the really strange thing is that you are trying to compare a natural process, even a horrendously horrible one, with Trans, which is a totally artifical, man made process, it's just not in the same league as cancer. Just so you know... Hippocrates, considered the "Father of Medicine," used the terms carcinos and carcinoma to describe tumors. These Greek words referred to a crab, possibly because the finger-like projections from a cancer resembled a crab. Roman physician Celsus translated the Greek term into cancer, the Latin word for crab. So no, woman didn't just get an itch between their legs, they knew what the had and had a name for going back to at least the ancient Greeks and the introduction of medicine. It was also called 'canker'. Not sure we're I have said 'we had it worse before'. I have tried to explain tgat when a trans woman on here was talking about feeling discriminated against and treat like shite that that is not an exclusive feeling to the Trans community. In fact when I pointed out that woman have suffered real discrimination, for far longer I obviously wasn't clear enough. So I'll try again. From the first person to Transition until today a total of less than 100 years Trans people enjoy rights and protections not afforded to woman for thousands of years. The Equality Act leaps to mind. Owning property, education, voting, equal pay, archaic marriage rights, being actual chattel by getting married, r@pe as part of conflict. These are just some of the issues woman had to endure which I'm sure has lessened over the last 90 years and have not been endured by Trans people on anywhere near the same scale as woman. There's then issues of things such as FGM and sex trafficking that still goes on today. So I'm sorry if there may be an issue which definitely needs addressing but problems about where to pee are not even in the same league as the struggles biological woman have had to endure through the ages. As a woman yourself you need to find out more about these struggles so you can see the reality of the situation. Everyone has been discriminated against at some time or other but it's not always the same. Trans people's rights after this definition have lost none of their rights and protections, none. Nothings changed except for the definition of a woman itself. Scaremongering is not going to help the situation, neither is denying the actual facts, science or evidence. Mrs x | |||
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" It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. It was a Supreme Court ruling and any “feminist “ who thinks it’s a win are mistaken, it is a huge step backwards for all women! It’s not about trans women, it’s about patriarchal control over all women. It might be seem to be about chromosomes but it’s actually about how womanhood is being defined - forcing us to prove our womanhood through their sexist backward ideas of how a woman should look, behave, act and live. It’s not about protection. It’s about control over women’s bodies, identities and freedoms dressed up as “for our own safety” and this is just the start Never heard so much nonsense in my life! You serious?! Cock = male Pussy = female There’s nothing else " exactly | |||
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"As a woman yourself you need to find out more about these struggles so you can see the reality of the situation." I am aware of many of the struggles. I just don't actually understand what the issue was with Waspi beyond that they changed the rules halfway through the game, but in a way that seemed to even the scales, rather than making things worse for the side that was losing out under previous rules. Given average life expectancy women are still better off than men after it. Do trans people have to exist through millennia of horrendous treatment before they can be considered? You can disagree all you like on the existence of trans people. The majority of the argument that exists is very much to do with trans people who retain their original genitalia. Those who have finished their surgeries and can 'pass' don't face anything close to what the majority of the perceived trans people do on a day to day basis. So the people who really have troubles with this are the ones that you don't even consider trans. My easy way of life may have been paved by the women who fought for their rights. But their hard way of life was paved by the people who oppressed them for the sake of retaining their own power. I know which side of history I'd rather be on 💜 | |||
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"As a woman yourself you need to find out more about these struggles so you can see the reality of the situation. I am aware of many of the struggles. I just don't actually understand what the issue was with Waspi beyond that they changed the rules halfway through the game, but in a way that seemed to even the scales, rather than making things worse for the side that was losing out under previous rules. Given average life expectancy women are still better off than men after it. " The point is women aren't financially better off. Some of the affected Waspi women had already made their retirement plans and were phasing into it only to realise that they'd be retired and still have to wait an additional 5 years before being due state pension | |||
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"The point is women aren't financially better off. Some of the affected Waspi women had already made their retirement plans and were phasing into it only to realise that they'd be retired and still have to wait an additional 5 years before being due state pension " Yes. The rules changing mid game was the problem. But it was to even out the field rather than to actively add to a female disadvantage, and it definitely should have been handled better for those who were close to retirement at least. As much as it sucks to be relying on government promises just to have them ripped from under you when you're already commited to relying on it, it's not an exclusively female experience for that to happen. Whoever you want to blame for it, men who felt it was unfair that women retired earlier, governments who wanted to save money because the pension fund was fucked beyond repair, the reactionary response of "if they want equality we'll give them some of the cost of it too", or trans people because fuck trans people I guess. It's just another drop in the bucket. | |||
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"I’ve read an awful lot of comments here and elsewhere about this being “common sense” and “based on biological fact”… There’s nothing common sense or factual about it. The whole statement that Men have XY chromosomes and Women have XX is a gross simplification that doesn’t actually align with actual scientific data. Without posting links or getting into vast amounts of detail, there are many many variations in human biology that have been scientifically proven to discount the simplistic view. From Chimerism to SRY Gene deficiency, Cortisol deficiency to Androgen intolerance and many many others. This judgement is a right wing influenced attack on an already marginalised minority group that does nothing but make a portion of society less safe, with the goal of gaining more power for bigots that want to rule for their own gain " That whole statement has literally caused a face plant for about 10 seconds on my ugly mug!! That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on any platform since 2012! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ | |||
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"I’ve read an awful lot of comments here and elsewhere about this being “common sense” and “based on biological fact”… There’s nothing common sense or factual about it. The whole statement that Men have XY chromosomes and Women have XX is a gross simplification that doesn’t actually align with actual scientific data. Without posting links or getting into vast amounts of detail, there are many many variations in human biology that have been scientifically proven to discount the simplistic view. From Chimerism to SRY Gene deficiency, Cortisol deficiency to Androgen intolerance and many many others. This judgement is a right wing influenced attack on an already marginalised minority group that does nothing but make a portion of society less safe, with the goal of gaining more power for bigots that want to rule for their own gain That whole statement has literally caused a face plant for about 10 seconds on my ugly mug!! That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on any platform since 2012! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️" I wanna know what you read in 2012m 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😊 | |||
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"I’ve read an awful lot of comments here and elsewhere about this being “common sense” and “based on biological fact”… There’s nothing common sense or factual about it. The whole statement that Men have XY chromosomes and Women have XX is a gross simplification that doesn’t actually align with actual scientific data. Without posting links or getting into vast amounts of detail, there are many many variations in human biology that have been scientifically proven to discount the simplistic view. From Chimerism to SRY Gene deficiency, Cortisol deficiency to Androgen intolerance and many many others. This judgement is a right wing influenced attack on an already marginalised minority group that does nothing but make a portion of society less safe, with the goal of gaining more power for bigots that want to rule for their own gain That whole statement has literally caused a face plant for about 10 seconds on my ugly mug!! That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on any platform since 2012! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ I wanna know what you read in 2012m 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😊" The Mayan calendar that ended on December 21, 2012, and the world would end with it 🤣 | |||
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"Right decision. What a waste of money getting it to that stage. A rare victory for common sense in this woke day&age!" How do you define woke? | |||
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"Right decision. What a waste of money getting it to that stage. A rare victory for common sense in this woke day&age!" Not sure about it being common sense or woke but it's definitely a return to using evidence backed, scientific knowledge for a definition of something. That makes sense to me and how things should be judge or in this case defined. Mrs x | |||
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"I'm not sure what to make of this new act. I do understand the moral issue when it comes to sports and such but then this must make trans people feel pretty undervalued. It seems like there is no clear winner to me really. " Not sure the definition undervalued anyone, it just makes clear what a woman is for the purpose of tge legislation. It does not remove any rights or protections from anyone under the Act. Mrs x | |||
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"Just carrying on as usual for those that are passing in public rest rooms tbh . I got security involved at a shopping centre bathroom as a guy was stood outside of women’s bathroom watching / pointing women out and shouting at those he claimed were men . I reported him to security as a potential pervert / harassment / loitering around person They removed him which was quite funny to see him kicking off over being frogmarched away by two guys
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"Just carrying on as usual for those that are passing in public rest rooms tbh . I got security involved at a shopping centre bathroom as a guy was stood outside of women’s bathroom watching / pointing women out and shouting at those he claimed were men . I reported him to security as a potential pervert / harassment / loitering around person They removed him which was quite funny to see him kicking off over being frogmarched away by two guys
Shame they didn’t give his head a wobble on way out though
Well done for calling out that that, weren't you scared at all? Mrs x"No as he didn’t know I was trans He just presumed I was another woman I haven’t been asked if I am trans in over 10years out and about all over the world . it’s just weird having a dickhead standing by entrance pointing at women and ranting at tall women / black wonen with short hair etc this is how a violent issue starts if not careful | |||
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"Just carrying on as usual for those that are passing in public rest rooms tbh . I got security involved at a shopping centre bathroom as a guy was stood outside of women’s bathroom watching / pointing women out and shouting at those he claimed were men . I reported him to security as a potential pervert / harassment / loitering around person They removed him which was quite funny to see him kicking off over being frogmarched away by two guys
Shame they didn’t give his head a wobble on way out though
Well done for calling out that that, weren't you scared at all? Mrs x
No as he didn’t know I was trans He just presumed I was another woman I haven’t been asked if I am trans in over 10years out and about all over the world .
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"big differences when trans actually means having the operations etc. rather than the wanting to be annoying. since when did some people try to over rule others and say they are less important or have less rights etc?" Trans people don’t have to have surgery to be valid though? Donna | |||
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"Men have a penis, women have a vagina. It’s mind boggling to think that we needed the highest court to rule on this." Except it's not that simple. There are intersex people and people with hormonal differences. Men even lose the Y chromosome in old age - it's a factor in some cancers. There is also something else, not yet understood by science, perhaps neurological. I knew when I was 5. Trans people just know and no, it's not grooming. Disagree? - well look at the BMA's response to the Supreme Court ruling. | |||
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"However if you’re willing to chop off your genitals to have an artificial one of the opposite sex made then I think you should be allowed to visit that bathroom of that sex." So what about those starting that process? It takes years to get there. Are we supposed to use the wrong toilets until the day after the operation? That would be ridiculous. | |||
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"Cross-dressers shouldn’t be allowed in, though, especially the ones which look like bloke" Agreed, and few of them actually do, even in gay clubs etc. It's not the issue Mr Rowling claims. | |||
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"they certainly shouldn’t be competing in any sports against women. Again, mind boggling to know that men can enter women’s competitions and win." The scientific reality is that almost all male physical advantage is down to hormones and after about 2 years, trans women have no advantage to cis women. This is easily verified - no trans women holds any world records, Olympic medals etc. The fact is that trans women are terrible at sport. The only one advantage is limb length is bigger. Perhaps if they let kids take puberty blockers this would cease to be an issue... Cis women don't get tested for testosterone yet it is a huge factor. There is a huge overlap in natural testosterone levels in men and women. Then there are those with chromosome differences. They used to test this in some sports but stopped because people found out things about themselves they would rather not have known. But yeah, there are some instances when men, without any evidence of hormones enter against women and I don't think that is fair but some are losing their minds about parkrun. Literally a fun run which they treat like the Olympics. I even saw one woman complaining because she came in something like 1600th but she could have come in 1599. The flip of this is that cis women who don't look feminine enough get hassle. There was one woman who won the Great North Run a few years back who got some nasty flak - she had mothered 4 children! | |||
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" One thing that never sat well with me was the argument that trans kids were/are committing suicide in their droves. Those making this argument are suspect, in my opinion, for all kinds of offences against children. " Nobody is claiming "droves" The fact is that trans kids are committing suicide because of the hate against them. It's not even hate - it is stupid decisions - in the 7 years before the the NHS stopped prescribing puberty blockers after the Bell case 1 person using GIDS lost their life… in the three years following the decision 16 people lost their lives. The NHS Lost the appeal but didn't reverse policy on puberty blockers. The only offences against children are by Rowling, Glinner, Davies, the Supreme Court, Baroness Falconer, Wes Streeting and all the other transphobes. | |||
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" One thing that never sat well with me was the argument that trans kids were/are committing suicide in their droves. Those making this argument are suspect, in my opinion, for all kinds of offences against children. Nobody is claiming "droves" The fact is that trans kids are committing suicide because of the hate against them. It's not even hate - it is stupid decisions - in the 7 years before the the NHS stopped prescribing puberty blockers after the Bell case 1 person using GIDS lost their life… in the three years following the decision 16 people lost their lives. The NHS Lost the appeal but didn't reverse policy on puberty blockers. The only offences against children are by Rowling, Glinner, Davies, the Supreme Court, Baroness Falconer, Wes Streeting and all the other transphobes." you have merely confirmed why there was a need for the supreme court to rule and why that ruling is what it is. one groups rights does not trump the rights of another group. the supreme court even said that and also that you had protection with other legislation | |||
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" It wasn't a ruling on anything. It clarified existing law. It was a Supreme Court ruling and any “feminist “ who thinks it’s a win are mistaken, it is a huge step backwards for all women! It’s not about trans women, it’s about patriarchal control over all women. It might be seem to be about chromosomes but it’s actually about how womanhood is being defined - forcing us to prove our womanhood through their sexist backward ideas of how a woman should look, behave, act and live. It’s not about protection. It’s about control over women’s bodies, identities and freedoms dressed up as “for our own safety” and this is just the start " Could not have said it better myself | |||
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"maybe people should remember the sufferagette movement as they have rights now because of them" Absolutely! Trans people just want to exist. My son isn’t a threat, he’s just a boy wanting to live. If people are worried about men dressing as women, they are worried about men, not trans women! | |||
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"My employer (although technically a government thing) has pulled a fast one on this. All of our toilets are now gender neutral with the signs depicting whether or not the room contains urinals. " That’s absolutely fantastic!! | |||
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"My employer (although technically a government thing) has pulled a fast one on this. All of our toilets are now gender neutral with the signs depicting whether or not the room contains urinals. That’s absolutely fantastic!!" And technically compliant. Basically a warning sign saying 'if you go in this one you may see wang' | |||
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