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Should Written Consent Become part of the swinging scene?

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By *ecent56Gent OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Watford

Not sure if this has been discussed before, but in view of the shocking Gisele Pelicot case in France, may I ask a genuine question...

Should consent within the lifestyle include some form of written transaction?

How do people walk a path that NEVER condones illegal actions or unwilling participants yet still allows some level on spontaneity and lifestyle fun...

Safe play in 2024 is much more than wearing a condom...

I would like to hear people's sensible opinions and comments.

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By *nya NeesWoman
4 weeks ago

Brum

Absolutely not! I am struggling to see how this lifestyle could have similarities to that case. You are talking about multiple men who were aware that she was not consenting

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By *ecent56Gent OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Watford

I agree with you and am not seeking to draw too many comparisons between that awful case and lifestyle events...

I guess I was just musing over whether there were anything that we should do to make sure everyone is always happy and safe...

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I can't see many people wanting to share their real names and addresses instead of just signing as Micky Mouse.

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By *oreAgainForeverCouple
4 weeks ago

doncaster

Is this a joke 🤷‍♂️ I choose to sleep with other men with husbands blessing and vice versa that’s what swinging is what happened in France Definately isn’t swinging if your sleeping with d*ugged women you don’t need a written letter you need jail simple as that really

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By *M60Couple
4 weeks ago

Central Scotland

As the person above stated no way am i giving my our real names and address to anyone in the scene its very simple if thats what you would require to play you really shouldnt be doing it.

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By *herrybakewellCouple
4 weeks ago

Staffordshire

I don't think written consent is needed.

I (Mr) just take things slow with no pressure and follow the ladies lead. I always feel it's rather clear if someone wants it to happen or not.

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By *ellinever70Woman
4 weeks ago

Ayrshire

Maybe men should just communicate directly with a woman before having sex with her.

A note from her husband saying she consents just shouldn't cut it

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By *exhillboyMan
4 weeks ago

Pevensey

I think that full legally binding letters of consent would be the death of swinging as we know it, apart from that even after giving full consent the person is allowed to change their mind so the consent form would be useless. I do however believe that we all need to think carefully about how this court case could affect the way we play and just be mindful that there are risks involved. This case is nothing to do with swinging but it could have an effect on our lifestyle.

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By *wen StiffFannyWoman
4 weeks ago

Lanarkshire

Absolutely not! the worlds gone crazy if you believe that consenting adults should sign a contact of sorts for consent be that in a swinging lifestyle or not ..

No should always mean no shouldn't need to be written down ..

Also the statement behind the question goes off the assumption that here is full of predators , which its not , kinda falls into the medias view of whet swinging is ... theres a world of difference between predatory and adults who like sex with multiple partners !

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago

Unless drugging some poor unwitting woman and inviting a bunch of depraved animals to abuse her is suddenly classed as a "lifestyle" activity I'm not sure I see the connection.

Lifestyle is between consenting adults who are capable of consent. If a legal agreement is needed for that then the same would be required in marriages and LTRs.

You think whipping out a condom mid-foreplay is a buzzkill, just wait until I ask you to sign on the dotted line and get it witnessed before things really get interesting...

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By *oxy jWoman
4 weeks ago

somerset

no can you imaging giving written consent and changing your mind halfway thru for the guy to say sorry but you signed the letter...

that poor French woman was r*p*d its not swinging however there are men in all walks of life who want sex no matter how they get it there bound to be some on this scene too we know there are men who dont like the no word...

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By *enelope2UWoman
4 weeks ago

Fife


"Absolutely not! I am struggling to see how this lifestyle could have similarities to that case. You are talking about multiple men who were aware that she was not consenting "

They claim they WERE AWARE as they say she and her husband invited them to "play". Same as "couples" on here say wives are aware they are cheating, husband is next door listening, wife enjoys anal, husband likes bi play... People Lie!!! Unless you specifically speak to someone directly and gear from them directly you could beat risk..her point was they NEVER questioned their actions or her consenting directly.

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By *ornycougaWoman
4 weeks ago

Wherever I lay my hat


"Not sure if this has been discussed before, but in view of the shocking Gisele Pelicot case in France, may I ask a genuine question...

Should consent within the lifestyle include some form of written transaction?

How do people walk a path that NEVER condones illegal actions or unwilling participants yet still allows some level on spontaneity and lifestyle fun...

Safe play in 2024 is much more than wearing a condom...

I would like to hear people's sensible opinions and comments."

Their is all the world of difference between consensual spontaneity and being dr*gged and r*ped. I read this three times and I'm still confused at how that case and swinging can be compared in any way, shape or form

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By *enelope2UWoman
4 weeks ago

Fife


"Not sure if this has been discussed before, but in view of the shocking Gisele Pelicot case in France, may I ask a genuine question...

Should consent within the lifestyle include some form of written transaction?

How do people walk a path that NEVER condones illegal actions or unwilling participants yet still allows some level on spontaneity and lifestyle fun...

Safe play in 2024 is much more than wearing a condom...

I would like to hear people's sensible opinions and comments.

Their is all the world of difference between consensual spontaneity and being dr*gged and r*ped. I read this three times and I'm still confused at how that case and swinging can be compared in any way, shape or form"

Since comprehension fails you.

SOME of The men thought they were a swinging couple who BOTH got off from the act and that she was aware. And that since he was recording it the assumed they BOTH were watching the videos later. And since some were repeat visitors to their house that she was ok with it. And that if something was dodgy or off something would have been said by her.

She was never aware..never knew it happened until finding tapes he had made because she was medicated!! So to think it can't relate or doesn't relate is nonsense.

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By *exhillboyMan
4 weeks ago

Pevensey


"Not sure if this has been discussed before, but in view of the shocking Gisele Pelicot case in France, may I ask a genuine question...

Should consent within the lifestyle include some form of written transaction?

How do people walk a path that NEVER condones illegal actions or unwilling participants yet still allows some level on spontaneity and lifestyle fun...

Safe play in 2024 is much more than wearing a condom...

I would like to hear people's sensible opinions and comments.

Their is all the world of difference between consensual spontaneity and being dr*gged and r*ped. I read this three times and I'm still confused at how that case and swinging can be compared in any way, shape or form"

going on the defensive and claiming there are no possible links between this case and the swinging scene doesnt help anyone. As has been stated above many of these men claim that they were invited to join the couples fetish, they were informed that she was consenting and they were just swinging. I personally dont believe a word of it but we MUST be aware that unless you actually speak to all involved and make sure in your own mind that they are willing participants then you risk a similar 15 year jail sentence to theirs. This is not an accusation against swingers it is a warning to just check.

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By *enelope2UWoman
4 weeks ago

Fife


"Not sure if this has been discussed before, but in view of the shocking Gisele Pelicot case in France, may I ask a genuine question...

Should consent within the lifestyle include some form of written transaction?

How do people walk a path that NEVER condones illegal actions or unwilling participants yet still allows some level on spontaneity and lifestyle fun...

Safe play in 2024 is much more than wearing a condom...

I would like to hear people's sensible opinions and comments.

Their is all the world of difference between consensual spontaneity and being dr*gged and r*ped. I read this three times and I'm still confused at how that case and swinging can be compared in any way, shape or form

going on the defensive and claiming there are no possible links between this case and the swinging scene doesnt help anyone. As has been stated above many of these men claim that they were invited to join the couples fetish, they were informed that she was consenting and they were just swinging. I personally dont believe a word of it but we MUST be aware that unless you actually speak to all involved and make sure in your own mind that they are willing participants then you risk a similar 15 year jail sentence to theirs. This is not an accusation against swingers it is a warning to just check."

Exactly this!!! Thank you

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By *4FantasyCouple
4 weeks ago

Spalding

This!
"Is this a joke 🤷‍♂️ I choose to sleep with other men with husbands blessing and vice versa that’s what swinging is what happened in France Definately isn’t swinging if your sleeping with d*ugged women you don’t need a written letter you need jail simple as that really

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By *ecent56Gent OP   Man
4 weeks ago

Watford

Thank you to everyone who has commented...

What happened to that poor lady was completely abhorrent.

Front and centre to much of the defence was 'Consent'.

I make no apologies for opening up a little discussion that seeks to remind us that an awful news story such as this can remind us to treat everyone with kindness, respect and dignity...

May we always hold the care for other people we meet with very preciously and enjoy fantastic times safely...

XX

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
4 weeks ago

Brighton

We have discussed this as found what happened simply unbelievably perverted and discusting .

What an evil husband and so many perverted guys .

Going forward we will be arranging things on Telegram and pre recording a message from Sarah stating Her Limits to any interested party and they will have to respond via video stating they agree and state the same limits .

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
4 weeks ago

Brighton


"Maybe men should just communicate directly with a woman before having sex with her.

A note from her husband saying she consents just shouldn't cut it"

Fully agree

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By *ornycougaWoman
4 weeks ago

Wherever I lay my hat


"Not sure if this has been discussed before, but in view of the shocking Gisele Pelicot case in France, may I ask a genuine question...

Should consent within the lifestyle include some form of written transaction?

How do people walk a path that NEVER condones illegal actions or unwilling participants yet still allows some level on spontaneity and lifestyle fun...

Safe play in 2024 is much more than wearing a condom...

I would like to hear people's sensible opinions and comments.

Their is all the world of difference between consensual spontaneity and being dr*gged and r*ped. I read this three times and I'm still confused at how that case and swinging can be compared in any way, shape or form

going on the defensive and claiming there are no possible links between this case and the swinging scene doesnt help anyone. As has been stated above many of these men claim that they were invited to join the couples fetish, they were informed that she was consenting and they were just swinging. I personally dont believe a word of it but we MUST be aware that unless you actually speak to all involved and make sure in your own mind that they are willing participants then you risk a similar 15 year jail sentence to theirs. This is not an accusation against swingers it is a warning to just check.

Exactly this!!! Thank you"

There is no need to rude in your tone and for the record I wasn't going on the defensive. My point is that the defence given by some of those convicted was that it was a fetish or kink. That isn't swinging. Some swingers have kinks or fetishes - but by no means all.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
4 weeks ago

Carlisle usually

Written consent can be faked. Very easily digitally and not exactly difficult on actual paper when they have no idea what the person's actual writing looks like.

Consent can also be withdrawn at any point. Having agreed to something previously doesn't mean you agreed to it for the moment in question 💜

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