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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. 100% right we tried a club but clicky also no one come near for some reason lol It seems very hard to actually find like minded fun people . " | |||
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"Have you considered going to a club? It’s an environment that is way less pressure for single women and they can immediately decide if they find you both attractive." We go to clubs events and socials all the time we have had lots of fun at them but I just meant in general why is the swinging world of fab so hard | |||
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"The swinging world or Fab? Plenty of swinging goes on outside of Fab and clubs are a good starting point." I meant the swinging world of fab. We go to lots of clubs and events that’s not the problem | |||
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"Have you considered going to a club? It’s an environment that is way less pressure for single women and they can immediately decide if they find you both attractive. We go to clubs events and socials all the time we have had lots of fun at them but I just meant in general why is the swinging world of fab so hard " I dunno. I don’t seem to find it hard and neither do you according to your verifications. | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. 100% right we tried a club but clicky also no one come near for some reason lol It seems very hard to actually find like minded fun people . " Clubs are hard the first few times thankfully we have never had a problem and people always approach us but most events are clicky because everyone knows everyone | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. Easy, go to a club! " | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. 100% right we tried a club but clicky also no one come near for some reason lol It seems very hard to actually find like minded fun people . Clubs are hard the first few times thankfully we have never had a problem and people always approach us but most events are clicky because everyone knows everyone " Yeah that’s what we have been told most are friends etc | |||
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"Have you thought about going to some of the organised social events, I find them much easier for meeting people, it's so much better at face value - 3/4 way attraction is hard then add on some random cock pics and not much else it's near on impossible. I need a face & personality before I can know if I'm attracted to someone and I need that for the sex, I'm not into any holes a goal which can make here difficult. I'd definitely recommend the socials. Mrs " We go to alot of social events which we love most of them there’s been the odd time we haven’t felt comfortable so we have left but mostly been good. We are the exact same there’s more to it than playing and sex for us but most people just don’t care | |||
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"Have you considered going to a club? It’s an environment that is way less pressure for single women and they can immediately decide if they find you both attractive. We go to clubs events and socials all the time we have had lots of fun at them but I just meant in general why is the swinging world of fab so hard I dunno. I don’t seem to find it hard and neither do you according to your verifications." I’m saying it’s hard to find genuine people threw the swinging world of fab not that we struggle to find meets or people not sure what the verifications have to do with it | |||
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"Because people are delusional and prefer the chase than the actual meet "Agree | |||
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"Meeting other couples can be hard, as you need a four way attraction and that's difficult to get. In regards to fems, you don't really say anything about what you'd offer them and why they should meet you. Remember most couples want a bi fem too so they're in demand. They have to fancy 2 people and know what would be in it for them if they chose you over all the others. Many couples have said they have more luck with ladies in clubs. " We shortened our bio as most people don’t bother reading them and we got sick of sending the same messages over and over | |||
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"I answer to why fab is hard, is probably due to the amount of couples looking for fems and the not so good experiences some have had with couples. With couples it's much easier in real life as you can see each other ftf and know if there's attraction immediately. Sometimes here you'll just be chatting to one half of a couple and the other may not be as keen as their partner. Or their availability is different to yours etc. I'm half a couple and we only look for couples as I'm straight, we don't use fab for meets. When we are meeting we use clubs or socials. " That’s a good point thanks | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. Its hard work because fabswingers don't charge for the use of the site . OK you can upgrade and have x a few extra pics etc on but it's free .. if they charged , let say £125 a year it would get shut off all the wankers. Tossers n timewasters .. its a good site to use but by fuck its full of em on here . We'd be more than happy to to pay 150 a year .. May be they could reduce it by £25 a year .. only decent folk then on here .. guaranteed to get meets n a more happier place  .
We're speaking from experience having been on n off here for 10 years and having been let down 25+times plus 6 hotels have gone to waste , we won't chat about the super fit 22yr old female who turned out to be a 50 Yr old bloke wearing a long black mac ) .. done freaks on here but defo done good ones as well. X
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. Its hard work because fabswingers don't charge for the use of the site . OK you can upgrade and have x a few extra pics etc on but it's free .. if they charged , let say £125 a year it would get shut off all the wankers. Tossers n timewasters .. its a good site to use but by fuck its full of em on here . We'd be more than happy to to pay 150 a year .. May be they could reduce it by £25 a year .. only decent folk then on here .. guaranteed to get meets n a more happier place .
We're speaking from experience having been on n off here for 10 years and having been let down 25+times plus 6 hotels have gone to waste , we won't chat about the super fit 22yr old female who turned out to be a 50 Yr old bloke wearing a long black mac ) .. done freaks on here but defo done good ones as well. X
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"Have you guys spent much time on cam in the chat rooms? Easiest way to see if there’s an attraction/ click with another couple, solve your problem of having to filter through fake profiles.. " We go on cam quite regular | |||
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"Clubs are amazing but it’s all about putting yourself out there because most are clicky or already friends and tend to stick together " Disagree with that It’s about being friendly and approachable. A lot of people will not make an effort to chat to others and expect people to chat to them. Which is fine but sometimes people need to make the effort | |||
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"Clubs are amazing but it’s all about putting yourself out there because most are clicky or already friends and tend to stick together Disagree with that It’s about being friendly and approachable. A lot of people will not make an effort to chat to others and expect people to chat to them. Which is fine but sometimes people need to make the effort " Putting yourself out there is being friendly chatting to people making the effort. You can’t just sit there and expect people to make the effort with you if your not gonna try aswell | |||
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"I'd not bother with the site if I was paying £150 for it. For me it offers fun on occasion, but if I was offering to split the cost of hotel rooms (which I do, as I don't accomodate), plus factor in the costs of a club night when I do attend. Then it'd just not be worth it for me to be on here, and I'd look for another free site. " I get that 100% because club nights/ socials can be expensive when you factor in travel hotel expenses. We don’t accommodate but will always get a hotel or airbnb. Just wish fab had a stricter vetting policy | |||
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"It's like pulling teeth on here. Full of flakes, dreamers, vanilla fuckboys and timewasters. Only reason we stay is for the events and the friends we've met in clubs. Like you, we're club regulars which is definitely the way forward...but finding that 4 way attraction is incredibly hard. We started playing with singles which has worked out much better for us. I'm straight so the lady doesn't need to fancy me, just the Mr. But I am incredibly fussy...much to our friends amusement lol" There’s nothing wrong with being fussy your a lady that knows what she wants/likes at that’s it we are both the same
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"I'd not bother with the site if I was paying £150 for it. For me it offers fun on occasion, but if I was offering to split the cost of hotel rooms (which I do, as I don't accomodate), plus factor in the costs of a club night when I do attend. Then it'd just not be worth it for me to be on here, and I'd look for another free site. I get that 100% because club nights/ socials can be expensive when you factor in travel hotel expenses. We don’t accommodate but will always get a hotel or airbnb. Just wish fab had a stricter vetting policy " But a stricter vetting policy doesn’t mean there would be more people who are compatible with you both? | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. " Clubs are better than the actual site tbh for meets | |||
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"I'd not bother with the site if I was paying £150 for it. For me it offers fun on occasion, but if I was offering to split the cost of hotel rooms (which I do, as I don't accomodate), plus factor in the costs of a club night when I do attend. Then it'd just not be worth it for me to be on here, and I'd look for another free site. I get that 100% because club nights/ socials can be expensive when you factor in travel hotel expenses. We don’t accommodate but will always get a hotel or airbnb. Just wish fab had a stricter vetting policy But a stricter vetting policy doesn’t mean there would be more people who are compatible with you both?" I’m not sure you get the point of the post it’s not about finding people that’s compatible it’s finding genuine people through the fakes | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. " Hey OP's We've come to accept that the rare diamonds are truly that and difficult to find - but they are there and are so worth it once you do find them. Sounds like you're both doing everything 'right' so keep at it
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. Hey OP's We've come to accept that the rare diamonds are truly that and difficult to find - but they are there and are so worth it once you do find them. Sounds like you're both doing everything 'right' so keep at it
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"I'd not bother with the site if I was paying £150 for it. For me it offers fun on occasion, but if I was offering to split the cost of hotel rooms (which I do, as I don't accomodate), plus factor in the costs of a club night when I do attend. Then it'd just not be worth it for me to be on here, and I'd look for another free site. I get that 100% because club nights/ socials can be expensive when you factor in travel hotel expenses. We don’t accommodate but will always get a hotel or airbnb. Just wish fab had a stricter vetting policy But a stricter vetting policy doesn’t mean there would be more people who are compatible with you both? I’m not sure you get the point of the post it’s not about finding people that’s compatible it’s finding genuine people through the fakes " The fakes as you call them are usually easy to spot. So you don't waste much time at all. Charging a fee for access to the site wouldn't guarantee any more people you'd feel were compatible, it would just remove those who couldn't afford it. Fab has worked for many for years. It'll never be able to do all the work for you, provide people perfectly matched to you or create a quick and easy system to find you meets. It gives you the opportunity to do the work needed to find people, nothing more. As for the 50% are fakes stats? I doubt that very much. Just because people don't want to meet you doesn't make them fake. | |||
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"Have you considered going to a club? It’s an environment that is way less pressure for single women and they can immediately decide if they find you both attractive. We go to clubs events and socials all the time we have had lots of fun at them but I just meant in general why is the swinging world of fab so hard I dunno. I don’t seem to find it hard and neither do you according to your verifications." Most are webcams | |||
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"I'd not bother with the site if I was paying £150 for it. For me it offers fun on occasion, but if I was offering to split the cost of hotel rooms (which I do, as I don't accomodate), plus factor in the costs of a club night when I do attend. Then it'd just not be worth it for me to be on here, and I'd look for another free site. I get that 100% because club nights/ socials can be expensive when you factor in travel hotel expenses. We don’t accommodate but will always get a hotel or airbnb. Just wish fab had a stricter vetting policy But a stricter vetting policy doesn’t mean there would be more people who are compatible with you both? I’m not sure you get the point of the post it’s not about finding people that’s compatible it’s finding genuine people through the fakes The fakes as you call them are usually easy to spot. So you don't waste much time at all. Charging a fee for access to the site wouldn't guarantee any more people you'd feel were compatible, it would just remove those who couldn't afford it. Fab has worked for many for years. It'll never be able to do all the work for you, provide people perfectly matched to you or create a quick and easy system to find you meets. It gives you the opportunity to do the work needed to find people, nothing more. As for the 50% are fakes stats? I doubt that very much. Just because people don't want to meet you doesn't make them fake. " I wasn’t the one who said for fan to charge. I’m not asking it to do the work for me. Who said anything about people not wanting to meet us? Trust me there is plenty of fakes on here and some very convincing fakes and plenty of cat fish | |||
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"We feel your pain. We've had the same experiences. We want to have a mutual attraction and some form of chemistry in chat. Most of the time, the spark hasn't been there. Although we've met 1 couple, who are great and give us hope. So we are hoping to find more. So keep at it, they are out there "There is plenty out there we just have to sift threw the fakes and cat fish to find them | |||
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"Have you considered going to a club? It’s an environment that is way less pressure for single women and they can immediately decide if they find you both attractive. We go to clubs events and socials all the time we have had lots of fun at them but I just meant in general why is the swinging world of fab so hard I dunno. I don’t seem to find it hard and neither do you according to your verifications. Most are webcams "Funny enough 21 is by meet and 15 by webcam | |||
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"Absolutely feel your pain. I often will message ladies or couples having spent time reading their profile to see if there are similarities and spend even more time to write a message that is thoughtful and considerate of what they are after etc, only for the message to be read and nothing back or read and then deleted. I would even go on to say that 90% haven’t even bothered to look at my profile. It’s the way this site is (no fault of their own). It can’t be perfect and there will always be those who ruin it. I prefer clubs and private parties than arranging something in here" If we was looking for single males we would defiantly read messages and profiles and take the time to look etc | |||
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"Absolutely feel your pain. I often will message ladies or couples having spent time reading their profile to see if there are similarities and spend even more time to write a message that is thoughtful and considerate of what they are after etc, only for the message to be read and nothing back or read and then deleted. I would even go on to say that 90% haven’t even bothered to look at my profile. It’s the way this site is (no fault of their own). It can’t be perfect and there will always be those who ruin it. I prefer clubs and private parties than arranging something in here" People do two things first when deciding whether they're interested. They look at the photos and then if there's any interest/attraction, they read the profile. You have to get past stage 1 to get to stage 2. They'll then likely read any public verifications. If there's still interest, they'll then read the message. If after that they haven't been put off they'll reply. And you'll never know of they looked at uou at all because the majority of sensible folk browse in stealth mode. You think 90% haven't looked when in reality 90% will have and just decided you're not for them. That's life and you can't be all things to all people. And for couples it's twice as hard because you need 4 way attraction and that happens in so few cases, especially when many profile focus so much on photos of her and few, if any of him. | |||
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"“We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always” Answered your own question there. As for other sites - apps etc ( the cost is just not worth it ) They have exactly the same problems as this site since the cohort of people in or around the lifestyle is largely the same give or take perhaps 5-10% who aren’t using this site. How did I answer my own question then? Because quality over quantity has nothing to do with the amount of fakes and catfish that’s on here " | |||
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"Absolutely feel your pain. I often will message ladies or couples having spent time reading their profile to see if there are similarities and spend even more time to write a message that is thoughtful and considerate of what they are after etc, only for the message to be read and nothing back or read and then deleted. I would even go on to say that 90% haven’t even bothered to look at my profile. It’s the way this site is (no fault of their own). It can’t be perfect and there will always be those who ruin it. I prefer clubs and private parties than arranging something in here" Most view in ninja mode so you won’t be able to see if they looked at your profile. | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. " We gave up with fab meets and focus purely on club visits. We've sat here trying to arrange a meet, we must have had at least 4 or 5 guys in the same afternoon /evening say they want to meet, give them a time and they'd either go offline, stop reading messages or suddenly decide they couldn't make because their car was off the road or they'd been drinking so couldn't drive. It's infuriating and sometimes confidence knocking. We had some great meets pre covid and just find it a chore now. | |||
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"“We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always” Answered your own question there. As for other sites - apps etc ( the cost is just not worth it ) They have exactly the same problems as this site since the cohort of people in or around the lifestyle is largely the same give or take perhaps 5-10% who aren’t using this site. How did I answer my own question then? Because quality over quantity has nothing to do with the amount of fakes and catfish that’s on here " The fakes liars and wannabes are very easy to spot ….. Set your filters / preferences and ask to meet in a club early rather than waste time. Do you think the app event you went to is any better ….. It’s more expensive with mostly the same people on here so has the same issues. ( fakes and catfish ) We have been on it and literally nothing ….. far better off going to Leeds Social, Lichfield Social or Townhouse club. | |||
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"It’s so hard to actually match with a single lady or a decent couple. when every 5 in 10 profiles are fakes, catfish’s, picture finders Men hiding behind a couples profile saying only they can meet. We don’t just want to fuck anyone and everyone we need a connection and sexual attraction. Quality over quantity always. We don’t go into meets with the expectations to fuck. We like going in with no pressure no expectations and just go with the flow a drink a chat a laugh maybe abit of flirting and if we hit off then that’s a bonus, if not it’s no big deal. Our sentiments exactly " | |||
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"Just to clear this up. We don’t struggle with offers we get plenty but we are very much quality over quantity we are not about fucking anything with a pulse we want to enhance our sexual experiences together with select others . Yes we have verifications so what this wasn’t about verifications. We Go to clubs and social events regularly. Majority of people don’t read profiles so that’s why we shortened ours as it was like an essay and we was sick of sending the same messages to people explaining it " --------------------------- If they don't read your profile that's an instant disregard isnt it? Shortening yours only encourages the need for explanations for people your unsuited to or they you. | |||
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