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"Is there a real market for stuff ? Benches , St Andrews crosses etc. skilled maker so I may start making some !" Absolutely theres a market for this. Have you heard of the London Alternative Market? Loads of fetish and kink independent sellers. Have a Google. | |||
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"Well, we're on the Isle of Wight, so might have to pop across and have a butchers sometime. " Google and the site that can't be mentioned may be of help. | |||
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"There is a market but there is also a lot of competition. Additionally good quality equipment if new rarely comes cheap. There is an argument that I have read that (with the exception of pervertibles) BDSM is elitist as the toys could be considered expensive,e.g outfits, clubs, play equipment." Wait. It's elitist because good quality items cost money? | |||
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"There is a market but there is also a lot of competition. Additionally good quality equipment if new rarely comes cheap. There is an argument that I have read that (with the exception of pervertibles) BDSM is elitist as the toys could be considered expensive,e.g outfits, clubs, play equipment." BDSM starts with the mind and that’s free! | |||
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"There is a market but there is also a lot of competition. Additionally good quality equipment if new rarely comes cheap. There is an argument that I have read that (with the exception of pervertibles) BDSM is elitist as the toys could be considered expensive,e.g outfits, clubs, play equipment. BDSM starts with the mind and that’s free!" Let's just agree to disagree! | |||
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"Update to original post. Just received a dispatch notification from the seller, along with a personal message thanking me for the order. Certainly no guarantee, but a lot further than the last one got. Still expecting it to be a gift-wrapped cat. " Unfortunately there is no fingers crossed for you emoji! | |||
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" Unfortunately there is no fingers crossed for you emoji!" Thanks! We now have a tracking number, and the messages have been quite free-flowing. It's using a shipping option which is dirt-cheap, and only slightly faster than the "Swedish Post" variety. Time will tell, and will duly report back. If it's all kosher, then we'll praise them to the rafters and plug the hell out of their company. | |||
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"There is a market but there is also a lot of competition. Additionally good quality equipment if new rarely comes cheap. There is an argument that I have read that (with the exception of pervertibles) BDSM is elitist as the toys could be considered expensive,e.g outfits, clubs, play equipment." Sorry but that is complete bollocks on the elitist point unless perhaps focused on clubs which I admit can be expensive but that is just one avenue and so much of BDSM is private away from clubs. Yes there are expensive things but most aspects can be experienced pretty cheaply. DS can be practiced with no equipment at all. It's a mindset and way of behaving. SM can be experienced with nothing, things around the house, belt, or pretty cheap pieces of equipment etc. Bondage yes of course can spend a fortune on restraints etc. but a few bits of rope from B&Q is just as effective. As for furniture side yes some great expensive stuff but you can improvise very easily with the right bed, staircase, over the door hooks, etc or even strong hooks and bolts through a joist for rope suspension - all cheap. I think some rope, a basic blindfold and a belt go a long way in right hands. Nothing else needed. And look around the house and grab a wooden spoon, clothes pegs, rubber bands, etc.... Actually got quite a bit of expensive stuff but it is far necessary. | |||
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"Interested to hear how it works out OP. Sounds like you will be in luck. I've bought a day collar from there and it worked out very well - came pretty quickly and good quality. " Will report back when it arrives. Due to the size of it (and that it's going via the slowest post to keep costs down) it's estimated to turn up early-mid February. | |||
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"There is a market but there is also a lot of competition. Additionally good quality equipment if new rarely comes cheap. There is an argument that I have read that (with the exception of pervertibles) BDSM is elitist as the toys could be considered expensive,e.g outfits, clubs, play equipment. Sorry but that is complete bollocks on the elitist point unless perhaps focused on clubs which I admit can be expensive but that is just one avenue and so much of BDSM is private away from clubs. Yes there are expensive things but most aspects can be experienced pretty cheaply. DS can be practiced with no equipment at all. It's a mindset and way of behaving. SM can be experienced with nothing, things around the house, belt, or pretty cheap pieces of equipment etc. Bondage yes of course can spend a fortune on restraints etc. but a few bits of rope from B&Q is just as effective. As for furniture side yes some great expensive stuff but you can improvise very easily with the right bed, staircase, over the door hooks, etc or even strong hooks and bolts through a joist for rope suspension - all cheap. I think some rope, a basic blindfold and a belt go a long way in right hands. Nothing else needed. And look around the house and grab a wooden spoon, clothes pegs, rubber bands, etc.... Actually got quite a bit of expensive stuff but it is far necessary. " First I would say I am into ipponawa which is the Japanese term for tying with one rope incredibly cheap. So I regularly tie with one rope. Following your argument, if you can tie with one rope why have six ropes which becomes costly. Throw in carabiners, a suspension ring and suspension frame it becomes expensive, but the point is it creates a richer experience for the rope partner. Each persons requirement of BDSM is different, some people are happy just to submit, some people are happy to blindfolded and beaten. But my view is most people want a richer experience and this adds up in costs. My kit runs from paintbrushes, spatulas, belts, blindfolds, floggers, dragontails, batons to expensive kit. Each creates a different effect. As a whole it creates a richer experience as does attending workshops, events, buying outfits and toys. My view is (and I could be wrong) most people want more than minimalist experience and this adds up in cost. Finally, as mentioned earlier, I am into shibari, so wash your mouth out with soap in regard to using store rope for bondage. | |||
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"There is a market but there is also a lot of competition. Additionally good quality equipment if new rarely comes cheap. There is an argument that I have read that (with the exception of pervertibles) BDSM is elitist as the toys could be considered expensive,e.g outfits, clubs, play equipment. Sorry but that is complete bollocks on the elitist point unless perhaps focused on clubs which I admit can be expensive but that is just one avenue and so much of BDSM is private away from clubs. Yes there are expensive things but most aspects can be experienced pretty cheaply. DS can be practiced with no equipment at all. It's a mindset and way of behaving. SM can be experienced with nothing, things around the house, belt, or pretty cheap pieces of equipment etc. Bondage yes of course can spend a fortune on restraints etc. but a few bits of rope from B&Q is just as effective. As for furniture side yes some great expensive stuff but you can improvise very easily with the right bed, staircase, over the door hooks, etc or even strong hooks and bolts through a joist for rope suspension - all cheap. I think some rope, a basic blindfold and a belt go a long way in right hands. Nothing else needed. And look around the house and grab a wooden spoon, clothes pegs, rubber bands, etc.... Actually got quite a bit of expensive stuff but it is far necessary. First I would say I am into ipponawa which is the Japanese term for tying with one rope incredibly cheap. So I regularly tie with one rope. Following your argument, if you can tie with one rope why have six ropes which becomes costly. Throw in carabiners, a suspension ring and suspension frame it becomes expensive, but the point is it creates a richer experience for the rope partner. Each persons requirement of BDSM is different, some people are happy just to submit, some people are happy to blindfolded and beaten. But my view is most people want a richer experience and this adds up in costs. My kit runs from paintbrushes, spatulas, belts, blindfolds, floggers, dragontails, batons to expensive kit. Each creates a different effect. As a whole it creates a richer experience as does attending workshops, events, buying outfits and toys. My view is (and I could be wrong) most people want more than minimalist experience and this adds up in cost. Finally, as mentioned earlier, I am into shibari, so wash your mouth out with soap in regard to using store rope for bondage. " I didn't say don't have the more expensive things. I was saying they are not needed to experience BDSM and hence not elitist although sometimes it is elitist in the sense of people a bit snobbish about there own equipment and knowledge (not you but in general) .I was giving cheap examples and of course there is a middle ground. It's like saying driving is elitist because a sports car is expensive. You can do just find with a cheap car or a middling one. Also as you say the experience is different for all and lots of what people thing of BDSM equipment is more for the B. DS doesn't of itself require anything. Don't be so dismissive on some of the store rope. I have various other kinds but some of the store is fantastic, great value and perfecg for those starting out and even more advanced, especially if going for more natural look and not pretty colours. Then of course many use rope for things other than shibari/kinbaku and B and Q works fine - actually some of it is not even that cheap really. | |||
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"Have you tried Ali express i buy all my bdsm gear toys clothes from the site good quality at a fraction of the price " Thanks! We use Temu quite a bit for the smaller stuff, but give your recommendation a go! | |||
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"At the end of the day it's all down to trust, which is unfortunately abused." It's just annoying, and the pessimist in me says it's only going to get worse. If you could private message me that company.... | |||
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" Sorry tpo hear you have had a bad experience. I have bought a spanking bench from Etsy, cross, which I found on Etsy then bought directly via their website (£50 cheaper) and a frame system which I found on Fet then paid using paypal but with the goods n services option. It's a shame Etsy has now become easy pickins for the scamsters. I do tend to go by word of mouth, see who has bought what and be sure there is a reference customer and good communication. At the end of the day it's all down to trust, which is unfortunately abused. Bobby" Sorry to hear this. | |||
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"We buy all of our fantasy style dildos (tentacles etc) from Etsy and have never had any issue" Cool! It's the bigger, more valuable things which attract the opportunists. We get our dildos and bondage stuff from Temu, and - like yourselves - haven't had a problem with them. | |||
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"Have a look at squirt by design. You get what you pay for and some of their products are very good. They do collapsible furniture which is good if you don’t have space or can’t have stuff on display all the time " Thanks! | |||
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