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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " Because they can  | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " *** 1. The guy/both think it means you will fuck him in the arse. 2. Guy/Both are homophobes 3. That's how the guy wants to prove he's mega straight (usually with bi tendencies/closeted) 4. They think all gay/bi men spreading STDs. Condom won't convince them. They will also won't believe, that most likely at least the 50% of the guys they had sex, were either bi tops or Fab straight guys. | |||
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"Statistical speaking, bi men are more dangerous to have sex with.. " *** Never heard that in the news Tom.  | |||
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"Statistical speaking, bi men are more dangerous to have sex with.. *** Never heard that in the news Tom. "*** I was joking Tom. Wasn't being a twunt. Explain why that makes sense please. | |||
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"Statistical speaking, bi men are more dangerous to have sex with.. " And yet I know more straight guys that brag about going bareback than bi guys  | |||
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"Statistical speaking, bi men are more dangerous to have sex with.. And yet I know more straight guys that brag about going bareback than bi guys "My experience is the same. The LGBTQ+ community are very aware and open about risks. | |||
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"That's what always gets me - every straight guy is expected to get turned on by lesbians but the thought of two guys getting it on is appalling "*** I mean I never watch gay porn. Don't kiss or suck men. Men doesn't turn me on at all. I'm interested in pegging, but they ran out of dominant women. Got fed up playing with myself. I had a guy fuck my arse instead. So? Who cares? | |||
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"I suspect that lots of them expect that if they invite a bi guy to join, he'll want to play with both of them. I know that many will be fine just playing with the woman (and might not even find the guy attractive!) but have also come across more than one bi guy who was, how can I put it politely, a bit too keen, the kind who will 'accidentally' touch the guy a bit too often, be a bit eager to 'clean up' his cum from on the lady's body, and so on. Like many guys, I don't mind inadvertent incidental male-on-male contact when we're both playing with the same woman, it happens, but when it's clear the other guys is actively trying to make it happen for his own enjoyment, it's very much a turn-off. I've had a couple of guys try things like that with me in clubs (including one who tried it on with me two nights in a row, even after multiple conversations that made clear I was only interested in women! "I give excellent massages, you look stressed, I could give you one now if you like, you'd enjoy it..."), so can kinda see where the couples who insist on straight guys only are coming from if they're wanting men to join in with the woman only. " Guys like the one you described are letting the side down, all sexual encounters need the boundaries clearly defined and adhered to | |||
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"I suspect that lots of them expect that if they invite a bi guy to join, he'll want to play with both of them. I know that many will be fine just playing with the woman (and might not even find the guy attractive!) but have also come across more than one bi guy who was, how can I put it politely, a bit too keen, the kind who will 'accidentally' touch the guy a bit too often, be a bit eager to 'clean up' his cum from on the lady's body, and so on. Like many guys, I don't mind inadvertent incidental male-on-male contact when we're both playing with the same woman, it happens, but when it's clear the other guys is actively trying to make it happen for his own enjoyment, it's very much a turn-off. I've had a couple of guys try things like that with me in clubs (including one who tried it on with me two nights in a row, even after multiple conversations that made clear I was only interested in women! "I give excellent massages, you look stressed, I could give you one now if you like, you'd enjoy it..."), so can kinda see where the couples who insist on straight guys only are coming from if they're wanting men to join in with the woman only. " *** It does make sense, but they were just idiot and selfish people regardless to their sexuality. How many straight guys try anal with women they clearly said not into anal. Or the ones taking of the condom, expecting the woman won't notice it. Morons are all over in every kind of sexuality. | |||
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"Always find it amusing really they are homophones towards bi men but OK for bi women, pot calling the kettle black if you ask me lol" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). Likewise, a couple who are open to a bi woman because the wife is bi and the husband is straight, but for the same reason choose not to play with a bi guy, isn't homophobic towards bi guys, it's choosing a partner who best fits their needs/desires. Mistaking one for the other does neither any good. | |||
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"Always find it amusing really they are homophones towards bi men but OK for bi women, pot calling the kettle black if you ask me lol As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). Likewise, a couple who are open to a bi woman because the wife is bi and the husband is straight, but for the same reason choose not to play with a bi guy, isn't homophobic towards bi guys, it's choosing a partner who best fits their needs/desires. Mistaking one for the other does neither any good." *** It's again makes sense. Also, 90% they had sex with bi guys before, just didn't know about it. Probably didn't notice it, so it didn't make any difference. So a convincing straight bi guy should hide it or face the consequences of being marked, because some idiot bi guy behaved inappropriately? I'm not arguing with you by the way. You are giving really convincing comments, but still can find the holes on it easily. | |||
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" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). " That doesn't hold up. There's no evidence that a bi guy will not be focussed on the wife. Bi guys aren't animals unable to control themselves. Also labelling it as a preference means they're saying we want guys, but just not 'those' guys, as that's all the difference is. | |||
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" "We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"" Again with the assumption that bi guys can't control their urges. Each to their own, just a shame that in what should be an enlightened environment Bi men are pre-judged as having uncontrollable libido | |||
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"Statistical speaking, bi men are more dangerous to have sex with.. *** Never heard that in the news Tom. "It was all over the news | |||
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"Always find it amusing really they are homophones towards bi men but OK for bi women, pot calling the kettle black if you ask me lol" Exactly. | |||
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"Always find it amusing really they are homophones towards bi men but OK for bi women, pot calling the kettle black if you ask me lol As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). Likewise, a couple who are open to a bi woman because the wife is bi and the husband is straight, but for the same reason choose not to play with a bi guy, isn't homophobic towards bi guys, it's choosing a partner who best fits their needs/desires. Mistaking one for the other does neither any good. *** It's again makes sense. Also, 90% they had sex with bi guys before, just didn't know about it. Probably didn't notice it, so it didn't make any difference. So a convincing straight bi guy should hide it or face the consequences of being marked, because some idiot bi guy behaved inappropriately? I'm not arguing with you by the way. You are giving really convincing comments, but still can find the holes on it easily. " Oh I agree, it's highly likely they will have without knowing it, and I was going to make a similar point but it's hard to condense everything into a post and so I decided to try and keep it brief to avoid a longer and more rambling answer trying to cover every possibility! | |||
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"Always find it amusing really they are homophones towards bi men but OK for bi women, pot calling the kettle black if you ask me lol As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). Likewise, a couple who are open to a bi woman because the wife is bi and the husband is straight, but for the same reason choose not to play with a bi guy, isn't homophobic towards bi guys, it's choosing a partner who best fits their needs/desires. Mistaking one for the other does neither any good. *** It's again makes sense. Also, 90% they had sex with bi guys before, just didn't know about it. Probably didn't notice it, so it didn't make any difference. So a convincing straight bi guy should hide it or face the consequences of being marked, because some idiot bi guy behaved inappropriately? I'm not arguing with you by the way. You are giving really convincing comments, but still can find the holes on it easily. Oh I agree, it's highly likely they will have without knowing it, and I was going to make a similar point but it's hard to condense everything into a post and so I decided to try and keep it brief to avoid a longer and more rambling answer trying to cover every possibility!" *** Finally someone regular from The Lounge can make a proper calm debate, without biting my head off. Nice one!  | |||
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"Statistical speaking, bi men are more dangerous to have sex with.. *** Never heard that in the news Tom.
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" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). That doesn't hold up. There's no evidence that a bi guy will not be focussed on the wife. Bi guys aren't animals unable to control themselves. Also labelling it as a preference means they're saying we want guys, but just not 'those' guys, as that's all the difference is. " To be clear, the parts of my post in quote marks were suggestive examples, not facts. There could be (and are) many reasons why they wouldn't want to, I used that purely as an illustration, so let's not get hung up on that and distracted from the actual discussion. I'm sure many (let's be honest, probably most, in fact) bi guys are perfectly fine and decent, but as I said in the earlier post, I *suspect* that many couples or guys have had direct or indirect experience of the minority who do try and push boundaries, so choosing to play only with straight guys pretty much gets rid of that problem. At any rate, if their preference is straight guys, then that's what it is. Not wanting to play with a certain demographic isn't the same as a slur on that demographic; just the same as choosing not to play with obese men isn't a slur on fat people, for example, or not wanting to play with smokers, and so on. | |||
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"Was hoping to hear from some straight couples that like having extra straight men in their bed but not Bi's I don't have a problem with your choice, that's fine. just would be nice to find out why from the horses mouth. " *** The only thing they would tell you is : " It's just a preference, but we aren't homophobe." Most people will back them up, even if they agree with you, because it's easier than piss against the wind. Exactly the same thing about the racist ones. You just need to swap the word,and again most people will say it's a choice, because it's easier. That's why I'm here instead of the Lounge. Some will find me here as well soon probably. People lie and pretend, if they belong to the majority. It's easier for them, then stand up against the majority. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " *** I just looked back OP. I'm so sorry it looks like I'm co-hosting your thread. | |||
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" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). That doesn't hold up. There's no evidence that a bi guy will not be focussed on the wife. Bi guys aren't animals unable to control themselves. Also labelling it as a preference means they're saying we want guys, but just not 'those' guys, as that's all the difference is. To be clear, the parts of my post in quote marks were suggestive examples, not facts. There could be (and are) many reasons why they wouldn't want to, I used that purely as an illustration, so let's not get hung up on that and distracted from the actual discussion. I'm sure many (let's be honest, probably most, in fact) bi guys are perfectly fine and decent, but as I said in the earlier post, I *suspect* that many couples or guys have had direct or indirect experience of the minority who do try and push boundaries, so choosing to play only with straight guys pretty much gets rid of that problem. At any rate, if their preference is straight guys, then that's what it is. Not wanting to play with a certain demographic isn't the same as a slur on that demographic; just the same as choosing not to play with obese men isn't a slur on fat people, for example, or not wanting to play with smokers, and so on." *** You are good, but...
Many straight guys pushing boundaries too.
I will be attacked for this, but...
"White only" looks even worse, than "No bi men".
Both can be a preference, but why to put it in the bio.
Why not just ignore the messages from them the same as from:
*Average guys
*Smokers
*No hot
*Under 8" guys
*Body hair
*X color eyes
*X color hair
*Fat/skinny guys
*Under 5'10" guys
*White guys born abroad
*Caucasian guys look more Latino
*People like/dislike marmite, tuna, Wham, Gravy...etc.
You got my point?
Why offend people, when you can have that choice without looking racist/homophobe?
Why offend people when they are telling them this little white lie would be beneficial and peaceful?
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " We will not engage with bi guys simply because they are in a high risk category regarding sexual health. | |||
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" We will not engage with bi guys simply because they are in a high risk category regarding sexual health. " Thank you, I figured that was the probably the main prejudice. Personally I think the main risk to sexual health is simply a high body count. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? We will not engage with bi guys simply because they are in a high risk category regarding sexual health. " and yet their is no mention of safe sex on your profile | |||
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" We will not engage with bi guys simply because they are in a high risk category regarding sexual health. Thank you, I figured that was the probably the main prejudice. Personally I think the main risk to sexual health is simply a high body count. " It’s nothing to do with prejudice. It’s a fact. The first questions we get asked when we go for our regular sexual health checks is have we had sex with homosexual men, bi men, intravenous drug users, and those from abroad particularly Africa. All high risk groups. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? We will not engage with bi guys simply because they are in a high risk category regarding sexual health. and yet their is no mention of safe sex on your profile "We are also informed by the sexual health clinic that provided we avoid high risk groups then the risk of infection is minimal. Certainly less than the risk getting injured or death from driving a car. Hence we reserve the right not to use condoms when meeting heterosexual gentlemen. | |||
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"Personally I have no problem playing with bi men in general. And we probably wouldn't play with a couple who had that restriction on their profile. But I can see why other couples might prefer not to play with bi men. The bi community really doesn't help itself here. One of the most common comments on here is "everyone is really bi, they just don't know it". Or there's "if you're not bi, you're a homophobe". There's even threads like this one asking straight people to justify themselves. That's really disrespectful of people's sexuality. Just stop for a second and think what it's like to be on the receiving end of that. Is it surprising these people don't want to play with a community that's vilifying them? It doesn't worry me, because I know it's just a few idiots spoiling it for everyone else. But I can understand why some couples might feel differently." Amen to that. | |||
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" "We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well" Again with the assumption that bi guys can't control their urges. Each to their own, just a shame that in what should be an enlightened environment Bi men are pre-judged as having uncontrollable libido " I think the word "some" bi guys should be added as this has been our experience on a couple of occasions too. We don't say no to bi guys and are always clear about our preferences but previous experience makes us wary so it doesn't make for relaxed play. | |||
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"Because homophibes believe the bi men they have experienced who violate boundaries do so because they are bi. " No, it's because they believe that straight guys won't want to violate those particular boundaries. And possibly also that bi guys who are fab straight to get laid will be doubly careful not to violate those boundaries. | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight So just say your straight and you get the best of both worlds No one’s entitled to know your sexual orientation " So you are willing to risk people’s health or lives by lying for your own sexual gratification? That in our opinion places you on the bottom rung of human evolution. We truly hope never to meet people like you. | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight So just say your straight and you get the best of both worlds No one’s entitled to know your sexual orientation So you are willing to risk people’s health or lives by lying for your own sexual gratification? That in our opinion places you on the bottom rung of human evolution. We truly hope never to meet people like you." How would it risk anyones life. 
You think men having sex with other men creates diseases if nobody actually has any sort of transmissible infection?
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"Because homophibes believe the bi men they have experienced who violate boundaries do so because they are bi. No, it's because they believe that straight guys won't want to violate those particular boundaries. And possibly also that bi guys who are fab straight to get laid will be doubly careful not to violate those boundaries." So because a bi guy could violate a man... it matters. Because the straight guy will only probably violate the woman... it's cool? Wow. That's romantic. | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight So just say your straight and you get the best of both worlds No one’s entitled to know your sexual orientation So you are willing to risk people’s health or lives by lying for your own sexual gratification? That in our opinion places you on the bottom rung of human evolution. We truly hope never to meet people like you." Absolutely. Im not risking anyone’s sexual health any more than when I sleep with a man or a woman or a couple The age old idea that bi guys are more of a risk than straight is just that. An age old idea. If everyone’s practising safe sex and getting tested regularly, there’s no risk Maybe judge people more on how safely they play and how well tested they are, instead of assuming all bi people have STDs | |||
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"You're allowed to have a sexual preference. Could be for any number of reasons. Concentrate on the people who find you attractive not the ones who don't. " It's not a preference if it isn't something tangible. There's no way of knowing while having sex if someone is also attracted to men, or enjoys crossdressing privately, or likes marmite. It's much different than saying "I don't want you to crossdress in front of me" or "I don't want to discuss your previous sexual experiences with men as part of foreplay". Those things expect someone to be an active participant. Knowing that someone is also attracted to men shouldn't bother you unless you are prejudiced. | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight So just say your straight and you get the best of both worlds No one’s entitled to know your sexual orientation So you are willing to risk people’s health or lives by lying for your own sexual gratification? That in our opinion places you on the bottom rung of human evolution. We truly hope never to meet people like you. Absolutely. Im not risking anyone’s sexual health any more than when I sleep with a man or a woman or a couple The age old idea that bi guys are more of a risk than straight is just that. An age old idea. If everyone’s practising safe sex and getting tested regularly, there’s no risk Maybe judge people more on how safely they play and how well tested they are, instead of assuming all bi people have STDs " People who display the level of ignorance that the poster who.said this displays should be banned from the site. Their lack of knowledge about stds makes thema risk to everyone. They're the types that treat chlamydia with apple cider vinegar. | |||
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"Because homophibes believe the bi men they have experienced who violate boundaries do so because they are bi. What they don't realise is that men often violate boundaries and these men are simply following the trajectory of many men who don't understand or dismiss consent. If women rejected guys based on their overall propensity to violate consent, heterosexuality would end today. " Be wary of all men. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? We will not engage with bi guys simply because they are in a high risk category regarding sexual health. and yet their is no mention of safe sex on your profile
We are also informed by the sexual health clinic that provided we avoid high risk groups then the risk of infection is minimal. Certainly less than the risk getting injured or death from driving a car. Hence we reserve the right not to use condoms when meeting heterosexual gentlemen. "Bi men lie to get a fuck. They gleefully openly admit this. Why trust these "heterosexual gentlemen" are also 'STI clear'? | |||
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"So because a bi guy could violate a man... it matters. Because the straight guy will only probably violate the woman... it's cool? " I think you've missed the point... When a straight couple invites a guy to a threesome, then the whole point is for the guy to interact with the woman. Can you really not see the difference? | |||
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"So because a bi guy could violate a man... it matters. Because the straight guy will only probably violate the woman... it's cool? I think you've missed the point... When a straight couple invites a guy to a threesome, then the whole point is for the guy to interact with the woman. Can you really not see the difference?" Yes but bi guys are into women so no, I don't see the point.... the point could only be that the bi guy won't be able to keep his hands off the dude. | |||
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"Yes but bi guys are into women so no, I don't see the point.... the point could only be that the bi guy won't be able to keep his hands off the dude." OK, I'll try and explain again... There are guys of all sexualities who push boundaries. If you don't want people to push certain boundaries, it's reasonable to avoid people who are attracted to those things. If I saw a couple on here that were really into BDSM, then I probably wouldn't approach them because it's not something I enjoy, and I'd feel we weren't that compatible. | |||
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"You're allowed to have a sexual preference. Could be for any number of reasons. Concentrate on the people who find you attractive not the ones who don't. It's not a preference if it isn't something tangible. There's no way of knowing while having sex if someone is also attracted to men, or enjoys crossdressing privately, or likes marmite. It's much different than saying "I don't want you to crossdress in front of me" or "I don't want to discuss your previous sexual experiences with men as part of foreplay". Those things expect someone to be an active participant. Knowing that someone is also attracted to men shouldn't bother you unless you are prejudiced." No one should have to validate their preferences to anyone else. Saying you dont want to fuck a certain type of person is not prejudiced. Hating someone for being bi is wrong. Not wanting to fuck them because you find it a turn off is not. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " Yet they mostly fuck their wife up the arse. How two faced.. | |||
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"So because a bi guy could violate a man... it matters. Because the straight guy will only probably violate the woman... it's cool? I think you've missed the point... When a straight couple invites a guy to a threesome, then the whole point is for the guy to interact with the woman. Can you really not see the difference?" If we want men fun there's plenty fully bi couples, we don't need to jump on straight men. Most times with me it's been the wife putting my hand on hubby. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " It likely stems from the blood transfusion service banning men who have sex with men from being a blood donor. They have changed the criteria now but mud sticks. | |||
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"I find it very fascinating that no one is bothered when a couple won't meet with bi female couples but no bi men couples or causes outrage. Mrs I’ve never seen “no bi” apply to women on here There’s also like 1000 guys to every woman/couple So it’s not that no one’s bothered. More just that its something that happens so little you don’t see the outrage " There's actually been quite a few posts on the subject recently, apparently according to those posts it's due to the bi female not accepting the other female is straight and trying for FF play regardless. Anyways it's a thing. Mrs | |||
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"Could view it as caring about the third wheels satisfaction too. If a couple want a straight guy who only has eyes for the Mrs then that’s what they want, they also may feel that a bi guy is looking for something else and wouldn’t be 100% satisfied if only playing with the woman. So rather than have a guest who is only getting half of what they want from a meet they choose to only accept straight guys. Everyone has the right to make their own choices and no one should be able to judge them for it." If a bi guy specifically wants there to be male on male action, he will usually say so. Otherwise bi just means that he also has sex with men who want sex with him. Bi guys seeking gay action use grindr. We have a profile there for guys who specifically want to hook up with M/f couples for that particular experience. There is no need to seek that on fab. What people may run into are men who try to exploit boundaries any way they can. The fact they are bi is incidental. | |||
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"I would suspect that many guys are worried about bi guys pushing the boundaries. This thinking isn't exactly dispelled by the number of comments on threads about pegging along the lines of "it's only a matter of time before you want the real thing". We've had sex with couples where he was bi and there's been no over stepping of and boundaries. Cal" Yeah men say inappropriate things. They are known for it. They say that stuff to lesbians too. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? It likely stems from the blood transfusion service banning men who have sex with men from being a blood donor. They have changed the criteria now but mud sticks. " Very possibly. A rather interesting graph here https://www.nat.org.uk/about-hiv/hiv-statistics | |||
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"I find it very fascinating that no one is bothered when a couple won't meet with bi female couples but no bi men couples or causes outrage. Mrs I’ve never seen “no bi” apply to women on here There’s also like 1000 guys to every woman/couple So it’s not that no one’s bothered. More just that its something that happens so little you don’t see the outrage There's actually been quite a few posts on the subject recently, apparently according to those posts it's due to the bi female not accepting the other female is straight and trying for FF play regardless. Anyways it's a thing. Mrs " Can you link them? I think with any group sex, there is more expectation that there will be girl on girl action. If I was totally against it, I'd make that very clear because I think everyone kind of sees that as part of the point of doing it. It's just the way it is. | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight The age old idea that bi guys are more of a risk than straight is just that. An age old idea. " We do have a problem with bi guys listed as straight. If it’s a choice between honesty and dishonesty, we will choose honesty every time. Bi guys( men who have sex with men) are absolutely at a greater risk of having a STI than men that don’t. They are in a higher risk category. That is a simple statistical fact. | |||
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"What really bakes my noodle is the single bi women who say they don't want to meet with single bi men. But will meet with straight single men. Of the couples with a bi lady who say they don't want to meet bi men - who's decision was it to exclude bi men, I wonder? "Lots of women genuinely won't have sex with bi men regardless of their own sexuality. They see bisexuality in men as a sign of femininity. | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight The age old idea that bi guys are more of a risk than straight is just that. An age old idea. We do have a problem with bi guys listed as straight. If it’s a choice between honesty and dishonesty, we will choose honesty every time. Bi guys( men who have sex with men) are absolutely at a greater risk of having a STI than men that don’t. They are in a higher risk category. That is a simple statistical fact." You can only really determine someone's risk level with intricate knowledge of their secual practices and testing history. Obviously a bisexual Virgin carries less risk than a straight promiscuous person who enjoys bareback gangbangs. A lot of bi guys on here have extremely limited same sex experience. Maybe only received a blow job. Meanwhile, some women attend greedy girl nights once a month. | |||
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"I find it very fascinating that no one is bothered when a couple won't meet with bi female couples but no bi men couples or causes outrage. Mrs I’ve never seen “no bi” apply to women on here There’s also like 1000 guys to every woman/couple So it’s not that no one’s bothered. More just that its something that happens so little you don’t see the outrage There's actually been quite a few posts on the subject recently, apparently according to those posts it's due to the bi female not accepting the other female is straight and trying for FF play regardless. Anyways it's a thing. Mrs Can you link them? I think with any group sex, there is more expectation that there will be girl on girl action. If I was totally against it, I'd make that very clear because I think everyone kind of sees that as part of the point of doing it. It's just the way it is." Yes give me a moment Mrs | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight So just say your straight and you get the best of both worlds No one’s entitled to know your sexual orientation So you are willing to risk people’s health or lives by lying for your own sexual gratification? That in our opinion places you on the bottom rung of human evolution. We truly hope never to meet people like you." *** Now that's a little bit too far I think. Stop watching Philadelphia. | |||
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"Bi guys( men who have sex with men) are absolutely at a greater risk of having a STI than men that don’t. They are in a higher risk category. That is a simple statistical fact." Bi guys are in a higher risk category. But then so are swingers - there's a reason we all get tested regularly. There's a lack of detailed research on exactly how the different risk categories compare. My guess is that a straight couple that likes unprotected anal sex are a much higher risk than a bi guy who always uses condoms, and doesn't ever have anal sex. | |||
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"I find it very fascinating that no one is bothered when a couple won't meet with bi female couples but no bi men couples or causes outrage. Mrs I’ve never seen “no bi” apply to women on here There’s also like 1000 guys to every woman/couple So it’s not that no one’s bothered. More just that its something that happens so little you don’t see the outrage There's actually been quite a few posts on the subject recently, apparently according to those posts it's due to the bi female not accepting the other female is straight and trying for FF play regardless. Anyways it's a thing. Mrs Can you link them? I think with any group sex, there is more expectation that there will be girl on girl action. If I was totally against it, I'd make that very clear because I think everyone kind of sees that as part of the point of doing it. It's just the way it is." https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/1480244 Here's one Mrs | |||
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"That's what always gets me - every straight guy is expected to get turned on by lesbians but the thought of two guys getting it on is appalling "You used the phrase “to get turned on”. That’s what we are all here for and being honest bi or gay guys just don’t turn either of us on. It’s not complicated. Since there are plenty of straight guys available then that’s our preference. I’m sorry if that upsets bi guys but that’s the way it is. I know some prefer to jump to a belief that there is some homophobia in this attitude and if that’s what they choose to believe then they are free to go ahead. Being petty and hurling accusations of homophobia simply not going to get us to change our preference. | |||
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"Bi guys( men who have sex with men) are absolutely at a greater risk of having a STI than men that don’t. They are in a higher risk category. That is a simple statistical fact. Bi guys are in a higher risk category. But then so are swingers - there's a reason we all get tested regularly. There's a lack of detailed research on exactly how the different risk categories compare. My guess is that a straight couple that likes unprotected anal sex are a much higher risk than a bi guy who always uses condoms, and doesn't ever have anal sex." Yes it's the act of anal sex that is high risk and men who fuck men are thought to have more of that than heterosexual people | |||
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"I find it very fascinating that no one is bothered when a couple won't meet with bi female couples but no bi men couples or causes outrage. Mrs I’ve never seen “no bi” apply to women on here There’s also like 1000 guys to every woman/couple So it’s not that no one’s bothered. More just that its something that happens so little you don’t see the outrage There's actually been quite a few posts on the subject recently, apparently according to those posts it's due to the bi female not accepting the other female is straight and trying for FF play regardless. Anyways it's a thing. Mrs Can you link them? I think with any group sex, there is more expectation that there will be girl on girl action. If I was totally against it, I'd make that very clear because I think everyone kind of sees that as part of the point of doing it. It's just the way it is." This is something that bugs me, I'm not automatically attracted to every woman half of the couple so expecting me to have FF interaction would leave many disappointed, it's definitely not a given, maybe an assumption by some but FF during couple swap would be probably a no from me. Mrs | |||
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"That's what always gets me - every straight guy is expected to get turned on by lesbians but the thought of two guys getting it on is appalling
You used the phrase “to get turned on”. That’s what we are all here for and being honest bi or gay guys just don’t turn either of us on.
It’s not complicated.
Since there are plenty of straight guys available then that’s our preference.
I’m sorry if that upsets bi guys but that’s the way it is. I know some prefer to jump to a belief that there is some homophobia in this attitude and if that’s what they choose to believe then they are free to go ahead.
Being petty and hurling accusations of homophobia simply not going to get us to change our preference."I find it weird to be thinking about the previous sex someone has had while you're getting it on. Like "oohhhh you are also into and have fucked gingers with small tits (and I'm neither) but I know that you have and wound and that turns me on" It's just weird to care about it. | |||
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"I find it very fascinating that no one is bothered when a couple won't meet with bi female couples but no bi men couples or causes outrage. Mrs I’ve never seen “no bi” apply to women on here There’s also like 1000 guys to every woman/couple So it’s not that no one’s bothered. More just that its something that happens so little you don’t see the outrage There's actually been quite a few posts on the subject recently, apparently according to those posts it's due to the bi female not accepting the other female is straight and trying for FF play regardless. Anyways it's a thing. Mrs Can you link them? I think with any group sex, there is more expectation that there will be girl on girl action. If I was totally against it, I'd make that very clear because I think everyone kind of sees that as part of the point of doing it. It's just the way it is. This is something that bugs me, I'm not automatically attracted to every woman half of the couple so expecting me to have FF interaction would leave many disappointed, it's definitely not a given, maybe an assumption by some but FF during couple swap would be probably a no from me. Mrs " I feel similarly so this is why I want to see if I'm going to have to bat them off by reading the threads. So far I haven't had to... | |||
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"That's what always gets me - every straight guy is expected to get turned on by lesbians but the thought of two guys getting it on is appalling
You used the phrase “to get turned on”. That’s what we are all here for and being honest bi or gay guys just don’t turn either of us on.
It’s not complicated.
Since there are plenty of straight guys available then that’s our preference.
I’m sorry if that upsets bi guys but that’s the way it is. I know some prefer to jump to a belief that there is some homophobia in this attitude and if that’s what they choose to believe then they are free to go ahead.
Being petty and hurling accusations of homophobia simply not going to get us to change our preference.
I find it weird to be thinking about the previous sex someone has had while you're getting it on.
Like "oohhhh you are also into and have fucked gingers with small tits (and I'm neither) but I know that you have and wound and that turns me on"
It's just weird to care about it."Surprised to have to explain this. Thought it was only common sense. If we don’t know then we don’t know. If however we are aware that someone is bi then it’s not something that would attract. Likewise if they were a convicted sex criminal etc. | |||
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 exible" despite only being into cis women. I asked him why and he said because he's happy with close proximity in a MMF and one guy accused him of being predatory due to his suggestion of a double BJ.
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"That's what always gets me - every straight guy is expected to get turned on by lesbians but the thought of two guys getting it on is appalling
You used the phrase “to get turned on”. That’s what we are all here for and being honest bi or gay guys just don’t turn either of us on.
It’s not complicated.
Since there are plenty of straight guys available then that’s our preference.
I’m sorry if that upsets bi guys but that’s the way it is. I know some prefer to jump to a belief that there is some homophobia in this attitude and if that’s what they choose to believe then they are free to go ahead.
Being petty and hurling accusations of homophobia simply not going to get us to change our preference.
I find it weird to be thinking about the previous sex someone has had while you're getting it on.
Like "oohhhh you are also into and have fucked gingers with small tits (and I'm neither) but I know that you have and wound and that turns me on"
It's just weird to care about it.
Surprised to have to explain this. Thought it was only common sense.
If we don’t know then we don’t know.
If however we are aware that someone is bi then it’s not something that would attract. Likewise if they were a convicted sex criminal etc."So you're comparing bisexuality to being a sex criminal and you're not homophobic? The next one is usually comparing it to sex with animals. | |||
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"I know some prefer to jump to a belief that there is some homophobia in this attitude and if that’s what they choose to believe then they are free to go ahead. " To be fair, some of the people who write it on their profile are homophobic, and that's why it would be a bit of a red flag for us. But there's also a lot of couples who have understandable reasons for their preference. "Being petty and hurling accusations of homophobia simply not going to get us to change our preference." And that there is one of the understandable reasons why people might want to avoid bi people. | |||
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"That's what always gets me - every straight guy is expected to get turned on by lesbians but the thought of two guys getting it on is appalling
You used the phrase “to get turned on”. That’s what we are all here for and being honest bi or gay guys just don’t turn either of us on.
It’s not complicated.
Since there are plenty of straight guys available then that’s our preference.
I’m sorry if that upsets bi guys but that’s the way it is. I know some prefer to jump to a belief that there is some homophobia in this attitude and if that’s what they choose to believe then they are free to go ahead.
Being petty and hurling accusations of homophobia simply not going to get us to change our preference.
I find it weird to be thinking about the previous sex someone has had while you're getting it on.
Like "oohhhh you are also into and have fucked gingers with small tits (and I'm neither) but I know that you have and wound and that turns me on"
It's just weird to care about it.
Surprised to have to explain this. Thought it was only common sense.
If we don’t know then we don’t know.
If however we are aware that someone is bi then it’s not something that would attract. Likewise if they were a convicted sex criminal etc.
So you're comparing bisexuality to being a sex criminal and you're not homophobic? The next one is usually comparing it to sex with animals."Is that the most sensible response you could come up with? I mean seriously? It’s not even worth indulging with a response. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " incase there female friend doesn't get idea's ... . ..  | |||
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"Just lie Most bi couples have no problem with bi listed as straight The age old idea that bi guys are more of a risk than straight is just that. An age old idea. We do have a problem with bi guys listed as straight. If it’s a choice between honesty and dishonesty, we will choose honesty every time. Bi guys( men who have sex with men) are absolutely at a greater risk of having a STI than men that don’t. They are in a higher risk category. That is a simple statistical fact." *** Not on Fab for sure. I wouldn't have unprotected sex with anyone from Fab. That's a massive risk, especially when someone lists bareback only. I meant all gender and sexuality. It's a swinger/fuck site with strangers. | |||
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"I suspect that lots of them expect that if they invite a bi guy to join, he'll want to play with both of them. I know that many will be fine just playing with the woman (and might not even find the guy attractive!) but have also come across more than one bi guy who was, how can I put it politely, a bit too keen, the kind who will 'accidentally' touch the guy a bit too often, be a bit eager to 'clean up' his cum from on the lady's body, and so on. Like many guys, I don't mind inadvertent incidental male-on-male contact when we're both playing with the same woman, it happens, but when it's clear the other guys is actively trying to make it happen for his own enjoyment, it's very much a turn-off. I've had a couple of guys try things like that with me in clubs (including one who tried it on with me two nights in a row, even after multiple conversations that made clear I was only interested in women! "I give excellent massages, you look stressed, I could give you one now if you like, you'd enjoy it..."), so can kinda see where the couples who insist on straight guys only are coming from if they're wanting men to join in with the woman only. " I've had similar experiences in the past too with pushy bi-men. I've also had pushy women who I've had no interest in invading my personal space just as aggressively and as unwanted as the pushy and trying it bi-man. My 2p worth on profiles with the "No bi-men" comment is it depends on how the "No bi-men" comes across on profiles. Is it "thank you fellas, but afraid that the no-bi rule is there because we want her to be the focus so please respect" or "NO BI-MEN!!!!!" If they want to exclude the type of man which you've described, then they have every right to. I think it's how they articulate that their wishes which is more of the differences in interpretation and what can be read into it (especially against the context of some of the profiles I've read). | |||
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"That's what always gets me - every straight guy is expected to get turned on by lesbians but the thought of two guys getting it on is appalling
You used the phrase “to get turned on”. That’s what we are all here for and being honest bi or gay guys just don’t turn either of us on.
It’s not complicated.
Since there are plenty of straight guys available then that’s our preference.
I’m sorry if that upsets bi guys but that’s the way it is. I know some prefer to jump to a belief that there is some homophobia in this attitude and if that’s what they choose to believe then they are free to go ahead.
Being petty and hurling accusations of homophobia simply not going to get us to change our preference.
I find it weird to be thinking about the previous sex someone has had while you're getting it on.
Like "oohhhh you are also into and have fucked gingers with small tits (and I'm neither) but I know that you have and wound and that turns me on"
It's just weird to care about it.
Surprised to have to explain this. Thought it was only common sense.
If we don’t know then we don’t know.
If however we are aware that someone is bi
So you're comparing bisexuality to being a sex criminal and you're not homophobic? The next one is usually comparing it to sex with animals.
Is that the most sensible response you could come up with?
I mean seriously?
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"Surely everyone is entitled to their own preferences? Not up to anyone else to question them. Some will want gym fit, some bbw, some BBC, some BWC, some dad bods, some tall etc etc. Others none of the above. If you don't fit someone else's wish list just leave them alone and move on" Those things all directly affect the sèx you're going to have with them. It is more like not fucking someone who would fuck a person of a certain weight. Neither you or your partner are that weight and they're not planning to bring someone of that weight to the meet, so why would you care? | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " We understand it perfectly. It's just that a few moronic bi guys have spoilt it for the rest of you. We have played with bi guys providing they are happy to play totally straight - guy on guy is a turn off for both of us. Despite assurances there have been a minority that have still made a grab for my husband's cock, apparently because they firmly but wrongly believe that 'everyone is a bit bi given the chance'. Play stops immediately. It has certainly made us wary of trusting bi guys in the future. As a bi woman I cannot imagine making a move on a straight woman unless she specifically asked me to. | |||
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"Many people outside of their awareness, still carry a lot of homophobia, which translates over to any male to male sexual activity. Much of the dressing it up in pleasant words, including preferences, is just this. Very sad." Of course there are some like that but why is it so hard to believe that for many it’s simply a case of sexual attraction . Or the lack of it. That’s also very sad. | |||
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"Many people outside of their awareness, still carry a lot of homophobia, which translates over to any male to male sexual activity. Much of the dressing it up in pleasant words, including preferences, is just this. Very sad. Of course there are some like that but why is it so hard to believe that for many it’s simply a case of sexual attraction . Or the lack of it. That’s also very sad." It's not just 1 thing, as I said. | |||
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"Previously, I was more inclined to dismiss a profile that stated no bi men. I don't think it should matter, but I tend to prefer people a bit more open to fluidity. The more threads I see like this, with the ranting and arguing and insistence that having a preference is disgusting and discriminatory, the more I feel they're likely justified in not wanting to deal with them. #NotAllBiMen. But enough to make even me wary. And I love seeing guys together "*** Preference = No bi men Homophobia = No bi men Lack of knowledge = No bi men *** You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things. If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference. I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really. If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries. So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality. Why not clear things where it's possible? | |||
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" *** Preference = No bi men Homophobia = No bi men Lack of knowledge = No bi men *** You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things. If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference. I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really. If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries. So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality. Why not clear things where it's possible?" What do you mean by clearing things? In my head that reads as making it clear by stating preferences. But that goes against the vibe given so far. | |||
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"Previously, I was more inclined to dismiss a profile that stated no bi men. I don't think it should matter, but I tend to prefer people a bit more open to fluidity. The more threads I see like this, with the ranting and arguing and insistence that having a preference is disgusting and discriminatory, the more I feel they're likely justified in not wanting to deal with them. #NotAllBiMen. But enough to make even me wary. And I love seeing guys together
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Preference = No bi men
Homophobia = No bi men
Lack of knowledge = No bi men
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You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things.
If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference.
I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really.
If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries.
So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality.
Why not clear things where it's possible?"In my extremely humble opinion post like yours mr Roland do the LGBTQ+ community no favors at all. My daughter is gay as is my son as was my mother and I love and respect all of them along with my niece and her wife and my other niece and her wife but according to you because my partner whom I also respect isn’t interested in bi men then I’m a homophobe. And just to answer the op,s question she’s 66 (I know ‘‘twas my mistake) years old and has had a strong catholic upbringing but slowly I am opening her mind to the mordent world but mr Roland she’s also not a homophobe. And yes you have slightly taken over this thread just like many others but you do you because I’m not a bigoted human being like……!!!!!!!! T | |||
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" *** Preference = No bi men Homophobia = No bi men Lack of knowledge = No bi men *** You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things. If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference. I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really. If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries. So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality. Why not clear things where it's possible? What do you mean by clearing things? In my head that reads as making it clear by stating preferences. But that goes against the vibe given so far." *** It isn't my thread, so I can stand behind my own opinion/comments only. Some ("No bi men") people aren't homophobe at all. They choose their preference based on hearsay or on outdated/ancient information. They don't have an idea about bisexuality has different levels, forms and acts. Nobody into everything. Some bisexuals actually has not much attraction towards other men. I actually talked to some of them. They still didn't sleep with me, but they changed their views slightly. I've have done something good without ranting or trying too hard to convince someone. Debates/changing opinions are really good and sometimes necessary. As long as it doesn't turn into argument or ranting. It does happen when people have a dislike/hate against the other person before the debate. Some people can have some nice debates, even if they don't like each other too much for real or assumed reasons. Also, people are allowed to change their opinions anytime. | |||
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"Bisexual = Many people won't fancy/like you. (Seemingly) Homophobe = Many people won't fancy/like you *** Works both way in my opinion. Don't want to convince anyone. Point it out, if their judgment based on myths. How do you know what their judgement is based on? Most people aren't fancied by most people anyway." *** Unrelated, but... Probably funnier, and explains the level of some people without quoting them. *** If for example you would believe you get pregnant, unless you have only anal sex. This level of thinking some of them. Clearly lack of knowledge. | |||
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Preference = No bi men
Homophobia = No bi men
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You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things.
If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference.
I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really.
If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries.
So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality.
Why not clear things where it's possible?
In my extremely humble opinion post like yours mr Roland do the LGBTQ+ community no favors at all.
My daughter is gay as is my son as was my mother and I love and respect all of them along with my niece and her wife and my other niece and her wife but according to you because my partner whom I also respect isn’t interested in bi men then I’m a homophobe.
And just to answer the op,s question she’s 66 (I know ‘‘twas my mistake) years old and has had a strong catholic upbringing but slowly I am opening her mind to the mordent world but mr Roland she’s also not a homophobe.
And yes you have slightly taken over this thread just like many others but you do you because I’m not a bigoted human being like……!!!!!!!!
T"She's homophobic because of her religious upbringing. That's okay. Many cultures and religons are inherently homophobic. It doesn't mean it isn't homophobia and good job on her for wanting to look at the world differently. But pretending it isn't homophobia is not the way forward. I have my own preferences rooted in prejudice and I'm sure if I explained why, there are a lot of people who would try and assure me that it's baggage based on trauma and I don't need to try and be any different. But that's not the case. Some experiences have meant I'm prejudiced against some demographics and I am working on it. That's all we can do. | |||
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Preference = No bi men
Homophobia = No bi men
Lack of knowledge = No bi men
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You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things.
If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference.
I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really.
If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries.
So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality.
Why not clear things where it's possible?
In my extremely humble opinion post like yours mr Roland do the LGBTQ+ community no favors at all.
My daughter is gay as is my son as was my mother and I love and respect all of them along with my niece and her wife and my other niece and her wife but according to you because my partner whom I also respect isn’t interested in bi men then I’m a homophobe.
And just to answer the op,s question she’s 66 (I know ‘‘twas my mistake) years old and has had a strong catholic upbringing but slowly I am opening her mind to the mordent world but mr Roland she’s also not a homophobe.
And yes you have slightly taken over this thread just like many others but you do you because I’m not a bigoted human being like……!!!!!!!!
T"*** I listed 3 options/opinions , not 1. You picked one. | |||
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"Previously, I was more inclined to dismiss a profile that stated no bi men. I don't think it should matter, but I tend to prefer people a bit more open to fluidity. The more threads I see like this, with the ranting and arguing and insistence that having a preference is disgusting and discriminatory, the more I feel they're likely justified in not wanting to deal with them. #NotAllBiMen. But enough to make even me wary. And I love seeing guys together
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Preference = No bi men
Homophobia = No bi men
Lack of knowledge = No bi men
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You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things.
If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference.
I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really.
If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries.
So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality.
Why not clear things where it's possible?
In my extremely humble opinion post like yours mr Roland do the LGBTQ+ community no favors at all.
My daughter is gay as is my son as was my mother and I love and respect all of them along with my niece and her wife and my other niece and her wife but according to you because my partner whom I also respect isn’t interested in bi men then I’m a homophobe.
And just to answer the op,s question she’s 66 (I know ‘‘twas my mistake) years old and has had a strong catholic upbringing but slowly I am opening her mind to the mordent world but mr Roland she’s also not a homophobe.
And yes you have slightly taken over this thread just like many others but you do you because I’m not a bigoted human being like……!!!!!!!!
T
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You picked one."No mr Roland you are tarring us with the three opinions/options just because my partner has no interest in bi men. T | |||
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"Previously, I was more inclined to dismiss a profile that stated no bi men. I don't think it should matter, but I tend to prefer people a bit more open to fluidity. The more threads I see like this, with the ranting and arguing and insistence that having a preference is disgusting and discriminatory, the more I feel they're likely justified in not wanting to deal with them. #NotAllBiMen. But enough to make even me wary. And I love seeing guys together
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Preference = No bi men
Homophobia = No bi men
Lack of knowledge = No bi men
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You can change 1.5 of the above with clearing things.
If people can judge bi men as a preference, then bi men can judge homophobes as a preference.
I personally never contact with anyone saying "no bi men". No point really.
If they contact me, then I explain my boundaries.
So yes, it can be preference or caution, based on lack of knowledge of the person/sexuality.
Why not clear things where it's possible?
In my extremely humble opinion post like yours mr Roland do the LGBTQ+ community no favors at all.
My daughter is gay as is my son as was my mother and I love and respect all of them along with my niece and her wife and my other niece and her wife but according to you because my partner whom I also respect isn’t interested in bi men then I’m a homophobe.
And just to answer the op,s question she’s 66 (I know ‘‘twas my mistake) years old and has had a strong catholic upbringing but slowly I am opening her mind to the mordent world but mr Roland she’s also not a homophobe.
And yes you have slightly taken over this thread just like many others but you do you because I’m not a bigoted human being like……!!!!!!!!
T
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I listed 3 options/opinions , not 1.
You picked one.
No mr Roland you are tarring us with the three opinions/options just because my partner has no interest in bi men.
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"Statistical speaking, bi men are more dangerous to have sex with.. " Would be interested to see those statistics. | |||
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"Maybe they feel uncomfortable and worry the bi guy will pounce on the straight male and try and corrupt him with his sexual prowess "__ A straight alpha male in a couple would never be pounced upon and dominated by a bi-male. It's the proximity and the risk of contagion of the "bi-flu" that makes them stay clear from bi-males. Scientifically, it's been proven that contagion does not happen with bi women, hence the same both -straight couple is usually ok to play with a bi woman. [do I need to add a wink emoji to my reply?] | |||
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"If for example you would believe you get pregnant, unless you have only anal sex. This level of thinking some of them. Clearly lack of knowledge. Are you saying that anal comes with a pregnancy risk? Or that there's absolute ways to remove the pregnancy risk of PiV between a fertile cis pairing? *** You kind of forgot to quote the first half of my comment. " *** " Unrelated, but... Probably funnier, and explains the level of some people without quoting them." ... okay. So add that bit. Does that make it less of a valid method of avoiding pregnancy? I don't understand how that indicates a lack of knowledge. * " This level of thinking some of them. Clearly lack of knowledge." I was demonstrating the level of lack of knowledge, so obviously I wrote something stupid on purpose. Surprised you didn't get that." What was stupid about it? | |||
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"Bi guys( men who have sex with men) are absolutely at a greater risk of having a STI than men that don’t. They are in a higher risk category. That is a simple statistical fact. Bi guys are in a higher risk category. But then so are swingers - there's a reason we all get tested regularly. There's a lack of detailed research on exactly how the different risk categories compare. My guess is that a straight couple that likes unprotected anal sex are a much higher risk than a bi guy who always uses condoms, and doesn't ever have anal sex." Your guess may very well be accurate but it is just that, a guess. Data shows that men who have sex with men have a higher risk of STIs than men that don’t. The fact there are other high risk categories doesn’t change that fact. My guess, and it is just a guess, is that if you fall into more than one high risk category, you are a swinger and a man that has sex with men and or a sex worker, and or have sex with people from countries with high incidences of STIs for example your risk would be higher than for someone who only fell into one category. | |||
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"If for example you would believe you get pregnant, unless you have only anal sex. This level of thinking some of them. Clearly lack of knowledge. Are you saying that anal comes with a pregnancy risk? Or that there's absolute ways to remove the pregnancy risk of PiV between a fertile cis pairing? *** You kind of forgot to quote the first half of my comment. " *** " Unrelated, but... Probably funnier, and explains the level of some people without quoting them." ... okay. So add that bit. Does that make it less of a valid method of avoiding pregnancy? I don't understand how that indicates a lack of knowledge. * " This level of thinking some of them. Clearly lack of knowledge." I was demonstrating the level of lack of knowledge, so obviously I wrote something stupid on purpose. Surprised you didn't get that. What was stupid about it?" *** Read back to check some of the comments why they don't want bi men. You will see a few on 1950's level. Not necessary their fault thinking like that. I was trying to present that level without quoting/embarrassing anybody. | |||
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"Read back to check some of the comments why they don't want bi men. You will see a few on 1950's level. Not necessary their fault thinking like that. I was trying to present that level without quoting/embarrassing anybody. " But, your example makes sense? So, you're presenting that level as something that makes sense. | |||
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" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). That doesn't hold up. There's no evidence that a bi guy will not be focussed on the wife. Bi guys aren't animals unable to control themselves. Also labelling it as a preference means they're saying we want guys, but just not 'those' guys, as that's all the difference is. " __ I agree. No evidence of that, hence why it's a prejudice, which it is a preference not based on evidence, but still different from a phobia. | |||
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" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). That doesn't hold up. There's no evidence that a bi guy will not be focussed on the wife. Bi guys aren't animals unable to control themselves. Also labelling it as a preference means they're saying we want guys, but just not 'those' guys, as that's all the difference is. __ I agree. No evidence of that, hence why it's a prejudice, which it is a preference not based on evidence, but still different from a phobia." Prejudice doesn't mean preference based on evidence. It just means you're discriminatory against that set of people. | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. " Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with "Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on. | |||
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" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). That doesn't hold up. There's no evidence that a bi guy will not be focussed on the wife. Bi guys aren't animals unable to control themselves. Also labelling it as a preference means they're saying we want guys, but just not 'those' guys, as that's all the difference is. __ I agree. No evidence of that, hence why it's a prejudice, which it is a preference not based on evidence, but still different from a phobia. Prejudice doesn't mean preference based on evidence. It just means you're discriminatory against that set of people. " __ I wrote "preference NOT based in evidence". Yes, agreed, prejudice is a form of discrimination if/when you act upon it (knowingly or unknowingly), but does not necessarily imply a phobia in the sense of hatred of a particular group. For example, we have a clear prejudice to play with younger couples (20s-30s) because we feel that in most cases we have little in common with them as sexual partners. This is totally subjective from our perspective, and not based on any evidence (unless you count our personal anecdotal evidence). We most definitely discriminate actively by setting up our age limits accordingly here in Fab, since this is our preference and choice. Yet, we do not consider ourselves young-phobic because we do not hate young people and we do not mind younger people that discriminate us because we are too old for them. We actually kind of understand it. If we meet them at a party or club, we may well play with them if all happy to do so and click, but definitely we avoid setting meetings in Fab with people fast younger because the chances that we will click are slim. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " This is one of reasons why some single males won't show their preferences o their profile in gear or missing out woth couples. I o ly play with bi guys and when I get.mesaages from those that say straight becaise of that , it's an instant delete | |||
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" As with many threads on here (on topics such as this or racism, etc), I think we need to be careful to distinguish between homophobia ("Bi guys are disgusting, dirty, vile, it's not natural, it should be banned,...") and sexual preference ("We prefer not to play with bi guys as we want the man to be focused on the wife, not on the husband as well"). That doesn't hold up. There's no evidence that a bi guy will not be focussed on the wife. Bi guys aren't animals unable to control themselves. Also labelling it as a preference means they're saying we want guys, but just not 'those' guys, as that's all the difference is. __ I agree. No evidence of that, hence why it's a prejudice, which it is a preference not based on evidence, but still different from a phobia. Prejudice doesn't mean preference based on evidence. It just means you're discriminatory against that set of people. __ I wrote "preference NOT based in evidence". Yes, agreed, prejudice is a form of discrimination if/when you act upon it (knowingly or unknowingly), but does not necessarily imply a phobia in the sense of hatred of a particular group. For example, we have a clear prejudice to play with younger couples (20s-30s) because we feel that in most cases we have little in common with them as sexual partners. This is totally subjective from our perspective, and not based on any evidence (unless you count our personal anecdotal evidence). We most definitely discriminate actively by setting up our age limits accordingly here in Fab, since this is our preference and choice. Yet, we do not consider ourselves young-phobic because we do not hate young people and we do not mind younger people that discriminate us because we are too old for them. We actually kind of understand it. If we meet them at a party or club, we may well play with them if all happy to do so and click, but definitely we avoid setting meetings in Fab with people fast younger because the chances that we will click are slim. "You say your age thing is subjective but: 1) it's an objective fact that people in different life stages often have different interests and values. It's easy to see why you're less likely to click with people in a vastly different age group. 2) espcially when you're talking early 20s, age can set up a power imbalance that can cloud consent and coercion and that's a valid reason not to risk sexual contact. Whereas being bisexual doesn't dictate anything about your interests, life experience or values other than a guy who is into women is (also) attracted to men. | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on. "But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc)  | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on.
But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc) "Yes I would view it as transphobic if you omit trans people from your sexual orientation. So if you say "I'm.a straight woman, but I'd never have sex with a trans man", then that makes you transphobic, yes. But no its not homophobic to be straight. Its just that trans people are the gender they say they are, not the one assigned to them at birth. So straight men who have sex with trans women aren't gay, they're straight. They just might like cocks. Understandable. | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on.
But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc)
Yes I would view it as transphobic if you omit trans people from your sexual orientation. So if you say "I'm.a straight woman, but I'd never have sex with a trans man", then that makes you transphobic, yes.
But no its not homophobic to be straight. Its just that trans people are the gender they say they are, not the one assigned to them at birth. So straight men who have sex with trans women aren't gay, they're straight. They just might like cocks. Understandable."Mmmm | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on.
But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc)
Yes I would view it as transphobic if you omit trans people from your sexual orientation. So if you say "I'm.a straight woman, but I'd never have sex with a trans man", then that makes you transphobic, yes.
But no its not homophobic to be straight. Its just that trans people are the gender they say they are, not the one assigned to them at birth. So straight men who have sex with trans women aren't gay, they're straight. They just might like cocks. Understandable."If a man enjoys sex with a person with a cock, then he’s not straight IMO. But that’s a different thread entirely. | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on.
But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc)
Yes I would view it as transphobic if you omit trans people from your sexual orientation. So if you say "I'm.a straight woman, but I'd never have sex with a trans man", then that makes you transphobic, yes.
But no its not homophobic to be straight. Its just that trans people are the gender they say they are, not the one assigned to them at birth. So straight men who have sex with trans women aren't gay, they're straight. They just might like cocks. Understandable.
If a man enjoys sex with a person with a cock, then he’s not straight IMO. But that’s a different thread entirely."Trans women are women so of.course he's straight. | |||
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"Just wondering why it is so many Straight couples profiles that say they're up for having a Straight guy join in their sheenanigans are dead set about not entertaining a Bi guy performing exactly the same role?? Not complaining just slightly confused as to why that might be- Any suggestions? " Biphobia | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on.
But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc)
Yes I would view it as transphobic if you omit trans people from your sexual orientation. So if you say "I'm.a straight woman, but I'd never have sex with a trans man", then that makes you transphobic, yes.
But no its not homophobic to be straight. Its just that trans people are the gender they say they are, not the one assigned to them at birth. So straight men who have sex with trans women aren't gay, they're straight. They just might like cocks. Understandable.
If a man enjoys sex with a person with a cock, then he’s not straight IMO. But that’s a different thread entirely.
Trans women are women so of.course he's straight."An opinion some share but many do not | |||
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"Trans women are women so of.course he's straight." It's not quite as binary as that. | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on.
But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc)
Yes I would view it as transphobic if you omit trans people from your sexual orientation. So if you say "I'm.a straight woman, but I'd never have sex with a trans man", then that makes you transphobic, yes.
But no its not homophobic to be straight. Its just that trans people are the gender they say they are, not the one assigned to them at birth. So straight men who have sex with trans women aren't gay, they're straight. They just might like cocks. Understandable.
If a man enjoys sex with a person with a cock, then he’s not straight IMO. But that’s a different thread entirely.
Trans women are women so of.course he's straight." | |||
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"This thread is exhausting. People have preferences. They are allowed to have preferences. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are some kind of phobic. Move on, accept that everyone is different, everyone isn’t for everyone and that is ok. Spot on Samantha along with J and R cpl4 who posted earlier in the thread, everyone has preferences and choice about who they swing with
Yes but your preferences can usually do indicate the inner workings of your psyche. If you gave an illogical and irrational aversion to bisexual men, then you're a biphobe/homophobe. Indeed, one should just own that and move on.
But by that logic, would you consider it homophobic or transphobic to have a preference to have sex with only ‘cis’ (hate that term btw) heterosexual men rather than with women or trans people? Would some people therefore class heterosexuality as homophobia? To me, trans/homophobia is being unkind or treating certain groups of people poorly because of their sexuality or gender. Choosing not to sleep with a particular person because of a characterisic is simply a preference to me, like many other things (height, age, weight, eye colour etc)
Yes I would view it as transphobic if you omit trans people from your sexual orientation. So if you say "I'm.a straight woman, but I'd never have sex with a trans man", then that makes you transphobic, yes.
But no its not homophobic to be straight. Its just that trans people are the gender they say they are, not the one assigned to them at birth. So straight men who have sex with trans women aren't gay, they're straight. They just might like cocks. Understandable.
If a man enjoys sex with a person with a cock, then he’s not straight IMO. But that’s a different thread entirely.
Trans women are women so of.course he's straight."Trans women are trans women . Not women | |||
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"Well we only look for bi guys lol. We don't want straight guys. Mrs R" *** Wow! You both seem really cool people. | |||
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