FabSwingers.com forum: Looks: Women Vs Men

By *r_reus OP Man
over a year ago

Coventry

Is it just me who's noticed that women tend to *look* better than men, naturally?

It's not a fair comparison obviously so just to explain, when I see pictures of women with lovely figures on here, I get the distinct impression they were born that way, there's rarely markers like muscle tone to suggest that they had to spend time in the gym to achieve those bodies.

But when I see a man who looks good, it's obvious that he's put the time in to build his muscles and watch his diet.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

Women are expected to look good.

It's our only value according to several unfortunately large sections of the population.

Showing muscle tone is too masculine. Looking like we've tried is too high maintenance. We have to look 'natural' in that way that actually requires a lot of work.

Part of the idealised look is looking like we were just born like this.

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By *r_reus OP Man
over a year ago

Coventry

It's strange you say those things when there's no male equivalent of a 'BBW' (at least none I ever see being used organically), nor will you ever see an obese man on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

"It's strange you say those things when there's no male equivalent of a 'BBW' (at least none I ever see being used organically), nor will you ever see an obese man on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

I see plenty of events and threads aimed at "Dad bods" which is on about the same level of accepting larger body types as far as I'm concerned.

I haven't seen an obese woman on the cover either. It's a sports magazine, different sports have benefits for different builds surely? There have certainly been chunkier men on the cover and not just the skinny types.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Women are expected to look good.

It's our only value according to several unfortunately large sections of the population.

Showing muscle tone is too masculine. Looking like we've tried is too high maintenance. We have to look 'natural' in that way that actually requires a lot of work.

Part of the idealised look is looking like we were just born like this."

I think there are a large number of males who think that women with muscle tone is a very

look.

I think _anybody_ looks good with a bit of muscle tone.

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By *r_reus OP Man
over a year ago

Coventry

"It's strange you say those things when there's no male equivalent of a 'BBW' (at least none I ever see being used organically), nor will you ever see an obese man on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

I see plenty of events and threads aimed at "Dad bods" which is on about the same level of accepting larger body types as far as I'm concerned."

A 'dad bod' isn't nearly the size of what would be considered a BBW, it's a false equivalence.

"I haven't seen an obese woman on the cover either. It's a sports magazine, different sports have benefits for different builds surely? There have certainly been chunkier men on the cover and not just the skinny types."

I have, multiple examples on Twitter in fact, yet never a single one of a male who wasn't in a very obvious sporting shape.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

"Women are expected to look good.

It's our only value according to several unfortunately large sections of the population.

Showing muscle tone is too masculine. Looking like we've tried is too high maintenance. We have to look 'natural' in that way that actually requires a lot of work.

Part of the idealised look is looking like we were just born like this.

I think there are a large number of males who think that women with muscle tone is a very

look.

I think _anybody_ looks good with a bit of muscle tone."

There's a large number of males who like morbidly obese women, or tiny skinny petite women under 5ft, or giant amazons who tower over them. The societal standards are more centralised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That’s biology

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

"A 'dad bod' isn't nearly the size of what would be considered a BBW, it's a false equivalence."

I've seen both terms claimed by people who only have a pound or two over the ideal and by people who could lose more than half their mass and still be bigger than the first group. It's a general term for people over the ideal weight as far as I see.

"I have, multiple examples on Twitter in fact, yet never a single one of a male who wasn't in a very obvious sporting shape."

I don't use twitter or read sports illustrated, I just did a quick Google which showed a variety of body shapes for both male and females.

Give me an issue to search up to see this obese one, please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men only notice the fuckable women.

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By *ecretsinnersCouple
over a year ago

Yorkshire

It’s not always the case.

We have always been very off balanced looks wise until 1 or 2 years ago, as I was a very big lady and my husband has always been blessed with a slim body with definition. He has never once visited a gym in his life or followed a particular diet.

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"Is it just me who's noticed that women tend to *look* better than men, naturally?

But when I see a man who looks good, it's obvious that he's put the time in to build his muscles and watch his diet."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve never been to a gym in my life…

Natural body types vary so much.

Yet we are labelled straight away on first impression

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By *r_reus OP Man
over a year ago

Coventry

I don't use twitter or read sports illustrated, I just did a quick Google which showed a variety of body shapes for both male and females.

Give me an issue to search up to see this obese one, please."

Google is very much a captured corporation pushing a progressive message, don't rely on it for anything which serves a political narrative.

Whilst I was unable to find the Sports Illustrated cover I saw, this one featuring Tess Holiday was well known a few years ago

https://www.today.com/series/love-your-body/tess-holiday-cover-cosmopolitan-uk-t136588

And another from the same magazine featuring an obese woman it claims to be healthy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9131253/Row-new-plus-size-Cosmopolitan-cover-accused-glamourising-obesity.html

You will never find a mainstream outlet championing obese men this way, ever.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

I don't use twitter or read sports illustrated, I just did a quick Google which showed a variety of body shapes for both male and females.

Give me an issue to search up to see this obese one, please.

Google is very much a captured corporation pushing a progressive message, don't rely on it for anything which serves a political narrative.

Whilst I was unable to find the Sports Illustrated cover I saw, this one featuring Tess Holiday was well known a few years ago

https://www.today.com/series/love-your-body/tess-holiday-cover-cosmopolitan-uk-t136588

And another from the same magazine featuring an obese woman it claims to be healthy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9131253/Row-new-plus-size-Cosmopolitan-cover-accused-glamourising-obesity.html

You will never find a mainstream outlet championing obese men this way, ever."

That's uh, that's a fashion and womens lifestyle magazine. Somewhat different to a sports magazine. An overweight model on there isn't in the same boat at all.

If the political narrative is that multiple body types of both genders are shown on sports illustrated covers, it's doing its job just fine.

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By *r_reus OP Man
over a year ago

Coventry

That's uh, that's a fashion and womens lifestyle magazine. Somewhat different to a sports magazine. An overweight model on there isn't in the same boat at all."

Here you go 'Women's Running'

Running sporty enough for you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-33646878

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

That's uh, that's a fashion and womens lifestyle magazine. Somewhat different to a sports magazine. An overweight model on there isn't in the same boat at all.

Here you go 'Women's Running'

Running sporty enough for you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-33646878"

I mean, it's literally an article about how bigger people can also run.

And it's not exactly mainstream media.

Not that the original point was ever about mainstream media either. But there's only so many tangents viable.

Are you saying it's disappointing that women look like they don't have to try, but those that do have to try and aren't putting I'm enough effort for you should never be in the public eye?

I'm really not sure what your point is.

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By *r_reus OP Man
over a year ago

Coventry

That's uh, that's a fashion and womens lifestyle magazine. Somewhat different to a sports magazine. An overweight model on there isn't in the same boat at all.

Here you go 'Women's Running'

Running sporty enough for you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-33646878

I mean, it's literally an article about how bigger people can also run.

And it's not exactly mainstream media.

Not that the original point was ever about mainstream media either. But there's only so many tangents viable.

Are you saying it's disappointing that women look like they don't have to try, but those that do have to try and aren't putting I'm enough effort for you should never be in the public eye?

I'm really not sure what your point is."

It's a glossy magazine I've seen many a time in WHSmith, it's mainstream media.

No that wasn't my original point, I was highlighting that women in general tend to look better than men without trying, but this may be because I'm a man and it's natural that I'd look for them.

I don't actually remember how we got onto talking media, but my point is that it's infinitely kinder to women than men, if you can find me examples of media sources championing overweight men in the same way (The clothing retailer Jacamo being the only one I can think of), I may reconsider my opinion.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

"It's a glossy magazine I've seen many a time in WHSmith, it's mainstream media.

No that wasn't my original point, I was highlighting that women in general tend to look better than men without trying, but this may be because I'm a man and it's natural that I'd look for them.

Most print magazines are aimed at women. Lifestyle in particular is predominantly female readership, men tend towards specialist and hobby focus according to the data. To appeal to their market and make their money the lifestyle and fashion ones will focus on women. I wouldn't know where to start on looking for the male equivalent publications beyond the Google search you're also capable of, but none of them would have anything like the same reach.

You brought it up out of the blue when I said that women are conditioned to be 'naturally' beautiful to attract a mate.

You've also made it clear that many women do not possess the beauty you're speaking of naturally.

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