FabSwingers.com forum: Is being attached a turn off

By *pouts OP Man
over a year ago

Tain

OK not going to. Lie im attached and on here without consent. is that a massive turn off for others? I don't revel in Being a cheat but I know that I love being with other like minded people and new experiences does that make Me a cunt? that I want the happiest family life but would also fuck just about anything given the right circumstances not that I hate my life wife or sex life but something about just going hardcore with someone I don't know gets me mad horny not the cheating just the someone new and unknown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

For me , yes it's a turn off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK not going to. Lie im attached and on here without consent. is that a massive turn off for others? I don't revel in Being a cheat but I know that I love being with other like minded people and new experiences does that make Me a cunt? that I want the happiest family life but would also fuck just about anything given the right circumstances not that I hate my life wife or sex life but something about just going hardcore with someone I don't know gets me mad horny not the cheating just the someone new and unknown "

Love to have another mans wife yes I’m married to

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By *iss LovelyWoman
over a year ago

Here and There

Personally I’d answer yes and yes to your questions. And to be honest, I wouldn’t say you are amongst like minded people. Swingers and cheats aren’t the same thing.

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By *ambsfunMan
over a year ago

Cambridge

It does make you feel bad but the want to try different things that would never happen in normal life is the thing that makes you look...

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By *arbellsWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Huge turn off/red flag. No thanks.

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By *pouts OP Man
over a year ago

Tain

Well OK lie in profile from now on thank folks ?? jokes I'll still say I'm attached best be honest I get it 99% of you hate me but that 1% dang we gonna have a good time ?? again jokes ffs

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Well at least you tell it like it is. I don't really care what you do and I doubt you care much about my opinion

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Total turn off.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is a bit of a turn off for me tbh x

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By * MailMan
over a year ago

Poole

Massively turn on if you met up with my wife

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By *enbobjimMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

I’m in same boat yes puts most off but I would rather be honest (yes I know) don’t want a relationship just sex

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

Generally I avoid cheating people as you don’t need agro off a partner potentially

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By *eardedman7Man
over a year ago

Berkshire

As long as you’re honest about it, I’m ok with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn’t ever meet someone who is openly cheating. Big turn off for us

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

For me, yes.

One of my partners has a wife that gave informed and enthusiastic consent,and that's okay.

But I don't like to be a part of dishonesty

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By *imon says biMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

Ok people so is it a turn off if it's a hotwife/hot girlfriend cheating?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok people so is it a turn off if it's a hotwife/hot girlfriend cheating? "

A Hotwife is not going out cheating it’s playing with partners knowledge

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By *imon says biMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

"Ok people so is it a turn off if it's a hotwife/hot girlfriend cheating?

A Hotwife is not going out cheating it’s playing with partners knowledge "
and how do you that do women never tell lies?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it’s a nice woman yes it’s a turn on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok people so is it a turn off if it's a hotwife/hot girlfriend cheating?

A Hotwife is not going out cheating it’s playing with partners knowledge and how do you that do women never tell lies?"

Eh how do you do what? You’re not making much sence.

who says women never tell lies

Simply saying hot wife’s scene is not cheating maybe do a bit of research before making such statements

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By *ovetolick78Man
over a year ago

The Shire

If both parties (husband & wife) are aware of the situation and both happy to chat there's no issues, if it's done behind the back of for partner it's a big no, potentially a lot of hassle or worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well OK lie in profile from now on thank folks ?? jokes I'll still say I'm attached best be honest I get it 99% of you hate me but that 1% dang we gonna have a good time ?? again jokes ffs "

OP if you ask for opinions you have to take the good with the bad.

If I can choose an unattached guy over someone who’s cheating on their partner it’s a no brainer.

Too many complications and I don’t find it attractive.

That’s an opinion, not a judgement.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

For many its a total no.

For some it's not a deal breaker (thats your business) but it's hardly an endearing feature.

Then there are the ones in the same boat where this is almost a plus feature. For example there are a fair few women on here and in the club scene (from experience) who do this without the knowledge of their partners. If you're cheating it's easier and more practical to be with someone else who's cheating. So for a few this actually is a selling point.

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By *imon says biMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

"Ok people so is it a turn off if it's a hotwife/hot girlfriend cheating?

A Hotwife is not going out cheating it’s playing with partners knowledge and how do you that do women never tell lies?

Eh how do you do what? You’re not making much sence.

who says women never tell lies

Simply saying hot wife’s scene is not cheating maybe do a bit of research before making such statements "
who mentioned a SCENE not me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're damned either way,and will always be judged by the high and mighty on here.

Personally, always be honest thus allowing people to make their own decisions on whether they want to engage with you....or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok people so is it a turn off if it's a hotwife/hot girlfriend cheating?

A Hotwife is not going out cheating it’s playing with partners knowledge and how do you that do women never tell lies?

Eh how do you do what? You’re not making much sence.

who says women never tell lies

Simply saying hot wife’s scene is not cheating maybe do a bit of research before making such statements who mentioned a SCENE not me"

Again you’re not making any sence. So I’ll end this here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although I didn't actually read your whole post until now...

And it's too late delete my first message lol

Just going to bash my head against a brick wall......

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

"Ok people so is it a turn off if it's a hotwife/hot girlfriend cheating?

A Hotwife is not going out cheating it’s playing with partners knowledge and how do you that do women never tell lies?

Eh how do you do what? You’re not making much sence.

who says women never tell lies

Simply saying hot wife’s scene is not cheating maybe do a bit of research before making such statements who mentioned a SCENE not me"

A hot wife, in swinging terms, and in the context of the site, is acting with permission from her partner. That's what it is being said.

Some women cheat and lie too. No-one is claiming they don't. Well, no-one with any amount of rationality.

But that title is one that had permission and consent implied within itself. A cuck or stag is not being cheated on, a hot wife or vixen is not cheating. It's a consensual dynamic.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

Some like an attached guy as they’re less like to catch feelings but free time is limited and they’re unlikely to be able to accommodate.

I’ve met single and attached guys and have no issues with either. You’ll get abuse from some people for being on here but then so are many others.

Block those who give you abuse. You can still have a lot of fun. Good luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes absolutely no difference to us at all, who are we to judge.

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By *cnugatugMan
over a year ago

Chatham

Quick answer yes huge red flag

Long answer he'll fucking yes your married and yet actively looking to cheat just because you are on a swinger's site doesn't mean it's not cheating by all means do what you want but why the need to ruin another person's life for your own selfish needs

Get off fab find some councilling and get your marriage back on track Don go cheating on her now

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By *rFoxAndXenoCouple
over a year ago

Weymouth

Big turn off, if you're not honest with your partner how can we trust you?

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By *orny-DJMan
over a year ago

Leigh-on-Sea

"Big turn off, if you're not honest with your partner how can we trust you?"

Bingo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The biggest turn off for my in your OP is 'ill just about fuck anything'

How lovely

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"The biggest turn off for my in your OP is 'ill just about fuck anything'

How lovely "

But it'll leave you feeling like god interfered with you apparently

Mrs

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By *imisugarWoman
over a year ago

Rugby

I wouldn't play with you and would be pretty annoyed if you messaged me. My profile is short but clear. Genuine swingers, open relationship, enm etc perfectly ok with me, I had an open marriage myself. I don't think I could be in a monogamous relationship now should I ever get back into one. People looking to cheat on their partners or whinging about lack of intimacy on the forum but never addressing the issue wjth their partner. Is definitely not for me.

If anything I'd be convinced the "cheat" is a terrible shag as their partner doesn't want sex with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Total turn off for us but atleast you put it on your profile.

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

Yep turn off and your profile comes across as proper arrogant op.

By all means be honest about cheating,buy try not to sound so cocky about it all.

Miss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A total red flag. Someone who lies and cheats on their partner isn’t someone we want to spend time with regardless of their justification.

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By *urvy-blue83Woman
over a year ago

burton

Deceit is a huge turn off

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

Yes to be honest it makes you a cunt

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By *pouts OP Man
over a year ago

Tain

Well thanks for the genuine and honest replies folks for those hating on me I've never actually cheated but have been tempted by a few on here also yes my profile was shit and I posted it d*unk never a good idea. Peace o7

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

Attached? No.

Cheating? Yes.

LvM

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By *yselfAndHerCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

A massive turn off.

It is dishonest and disrespectful. And besides, it it isn't swinging, surely even you know that

You say that you don't hate your wife or revel in cheating.

Your actions speak different don't they??

You did ask!!

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By *yselfAndHerCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

"Well thanks for the genuine and honest replies folks for those hating on me I've never actually cheated but have been tempted by a few on here also yes my profile was shit and I posted it d*unk never a good idea. Peace o7"

Interesting.

But you haven't taken it off have you?

Why not, if you aren't intending to cheat.

And why post this thread??

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By *orny-DJMan
over a year ago

Leigh-on-Sea

You've never actually cheated?

You've been on fab for over a year with the clear intent of doing so - which is just as bad.

If you can't be honest with your own wife, why should any of us believe a single word you say?

You're deceitful. End of.

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By *rFoxAndXenoCouple
over a year ago

Weymouth

We're not hating, just engaging your conscience and it's making you uncomfortable.

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

"We're not hating, just engaging your conscience and it's making you uncomfortable. "

The profile has now changed ,so I'd agree with you.

Miss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do you boo boo, there’s plenty of women on here without their partners knowledge, some have on their profile they seek married/attached men! Starting a thread asking the questions you are, will never and has never ended well.

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By *rFoxAndXenoCouple
over a year ago

Weymouth

"We're not hating, just engaging your conscience and it's making you uncomfortable.

The profile has now changed ,so I'd agree with you.

Miss "

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By *elshmumWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I would not meet a person who is doing this without consent, as I know what it is like to be the woman of a cheating partner. Also for me I don't want a one off and attached people often can't give the attention and time needed for a fwb arrangement

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By *immesomemoreMan
over a year ago

basingstoke

I think once again, it shows the difference between those who swing - and those that think a hookup is the same thing.

If your partner doesn’t know you’re fucking other people, you’re the worst.

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By *hellebelleWoman
over a year ago

ashford

Big no from me.

If you’re not honest with your partner/wife/husband then that’s not swinging it’s cheating.

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By *ipppyMan
over a year ago

Poole

"You're damned either way,and will always be judged by the high and mighty on here.

Personally, always be honest thus allowing people to make their own decisions on whether they want to engage with you....or not."
id love to fab your pics but there’s not fab button!

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth

Huge turn off.

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By *ornywelsh2sumCouple
over a year ago

Neath valley.

Let me fuck your wife and you can fuck mine? Fair trade or otherwise very one sided. Bet the mrs be very happy with your sexlife knowing you are on here eh. John

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By *ilth N KinkCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Yes completely a huge turn off

Kink (f)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Massive turn off for us.

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over a year ago

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By *Booboo-Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Attached is fine with permission and if part of the scene. Wouldn't even consider it if they didn't know and have given up meets even in a dry spell because of this.

Have been on the other end of that happening and it absolutely shattered me to the core so couldnt do that to anyone even if it's not my issue.

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By *ornywelsh2sumCouple
over a year ago

Neath valley.

"Attached is fine with permission and if part of the scene. Wouldn't even consider it if they didn't know and have given up meets even in a dry spell because of this.

Have been on the other end of that happening and it absolutely shattered me to the core so couldnt do that to anyone even if it's not my issue."

We both have been on the end of partners cheating. Rips your heart and trust in new partners as well. Thats why we will not meet anyone who cannot accom or only accoms at certain times of day to avoid possibly being part of others cheating. Most think they will never be caught out but always do eventually.

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By *ixenandhoundCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth, South west

For me the 'fuck anything given the opportunity' is more of a turn off. Cheating and swinging are two very very different things.. I think a lot of people on here would be put off by it

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

My question to anyone that cheats on their partner is How would you feel/react if you found out your partner was cheating on you, I've known loads of people who have cheated on their partners, Bit on the side, regular one night stands etc, Yet you joke about their partner doing something and their reply is along the lines of,

"I'd do time if she ever cheated on me"

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By *viatrixWoman
over a year ago

Redhill

I thonk you just alienated yourself from whatever possible ficj you could have had, OP.

Not because of the married bit, but the “I’ll fuck anything… “

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland

Big red flag for us.

Trust is a massive thing for us within the lifestyle and cheating shows lack of trust/honesty

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By *toC Thats MeWoman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Cheating is a turn off yes.

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By *esi70Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

"will always be judged by the high and mighty on here."

And there's plenty of those ...

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By *riel13Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

If cheating turns you on, that is a turn off

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By *KTim61Man
over a year ago

Tipton

I was seeing a FWB who was attached but he didnt know,

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By *otwife and MasterCouple
over a year ago

Derby

If a man hasn’t got the balls to talk to his wife, he’s not going to have the balls for what we ask of him. Turn off for us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't play with you and would be pretty annoyed if you messaged me. My profile is short but clear. Genuine swingers, open relationship, enm etc perfectly ok with me, I had an open marriage myself. I don't think I could be in a monogamous relationship now should I ever get back into one. People looking to cheat on their partners or whinging about lack of intimacy on the forum but never addressing the issue wjth their partner. Is definitely not for me.

If anything I'd be convinced the "cheat" is a terrible shag as their partner doesn't want sex with them. "

Well said! But tbh - I prefer not playing with people who are married, although I don’t judge them. To each his own, I just prefer to avoid situations which could cause drama.

But what really makes my blood boil is guys who lie, meet and then feel so guilty after they tell you they are married!!

for me swinging / ENM etc is all about consent and choice. By lying you’ve taken away my choice on my boundaries. That’s really not ok

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By *neforutoMan
over a year ago

Fantasy land in the SW

I can only think this post is to attract attention to your profile

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By *lirtatious JadeWoman
over a year ago

Wakefield

Absolute turn off for me

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By *andd_bicoupleCouple
over a year ago

wilmslow

It seems to be we r looking for a polything but getting no where

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By *toC Thats MeWoman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"It seems to be we r looking for a polything but getting no where "

Have met lots of poly people at clubs. Complete opposite to cheating.

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By *melie LALWoman
over a year ago

Peterborough

Love these threads, as a filter.

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By *assP69Couple
over a year ago

Tamworth

We've had some amazing experiences with some amazing couples at clubs. The one thing that is a constant throughout all our experiences, none of the people I am lucky enough to play with come close to how it feels being with A.

I get the wanting new. It's exciting. And it's a rush. But don't throw away what you have for something new just to realise that what you've already got is a million times better and risk ruining it all and breaking her heart.

Or do her a favour and end it and fuck everything that moves if you think that will make you happier.

You just need to pick a lane. The one you're in now ain't doing anyone any good.

Scott.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is probably going to come across as "judgy" but what the heck. I do find it odd that cheaters on here want to be completely open and honest with total strangers rather than their partners.

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

i dont judge what others do im not in their shoes and know nothing of them

as a very happy married woman in a cuckold lifestyle i have 100% consent to play with whom ever i want when ever i want he may know before hand or after however some guys whom message me see this as ''like'' them then i get pissy im 100% committed to my relationship with my husband this is 100% our thing fully consented im nothing like someone who cheats thats your guilt not mine ..

yes i will meet married too if they are upfront about it the way i see it is you really dont know whos married or not ... if your a womam or couple who acually meet for fun the 100% youve already met married like it or not ... also married guy can be way less hassle than some of these very clingy singles

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By *rpeggioCouple
over a year ago

Baughurst

"Big turn off, if you're not honest with your partner how can we trust you?"

. This. The OP and a few men here claim they prefer to be honest here on Fab about them being attached. To take the high road. The Knights with the elevated moral code. Honesty above all.

But what they do is just state the fact that they have a partner. That's not honesty. So they do not have the hassle of inventing lies about why they cannot meet at any time and cannot accommodate, not because they want to be honest. They are not honest people if they are not man enough to talk to their partners about those desires, nor man enough to be prepared to walk away from their partners if they would not consider their sexual desires.

They just want to have their cake and eat it. And yes, I'm judging but the OP opened that door the moment he judged himself as "honest" for being upfront to a bunch of strangers about cheating on his partner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No wonder why true single men get hassle on FAB. Thanks OP an all supporters of him!

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By *rFoxAndXenoCouple
over a year ago

Weymouth

"Big turn off, if you're not honest with your partner how can we trust you?

. This. The OP and a few men here claim they prefer to be honest here on Fab about them being attached. To take the high road. The Knights with the elevated moral code. Honesty above all.

I need a clap emoji!!!

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By *nj6969Couple
over a year ago

Grimsby

Massive turn off off us. Definitely a no for us. We always say if we don't know what can we do. If wife happy and chats fine. But cheating we want no part of or the drama that can follow. But each to their own not judging just rules we play by x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Big turn off, if you're not honest with your partner how can we trust you?

. This. The OP and a few men here claim they prefer to be honest here on Fab about them being attached. To take the high road. The Knights with the elevated moral code. Honesty above all.

I need a clap emoji!!!"

100%

It is a big turn off from me, I don’t even want to chat on here with someone who is cheating, it’s a waste of time and sorry but it is not swinging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems to me men get far more stick on here than women for been attached. Is it something that puts me off? No. Possibly because I'm in the same boat, attached and playing without them knowing.

Whilst i don't advertise it on my profile if I'm chatting with someone I'll be upfront about it. I've had both good and bad reactions but more good than bad. I think attached guys like it as it feels safer if you know you both have something to loose. Most say they aren't here to judge and we all have our reasons. The there's quite a few that find it a massive turn on, been with someone else's wife without them knowing.

Personally I think there's loads more on here playing without a partners knowledge than most would like to admit. People don't always advertise it, possibly because of the negativity, especially if male. Or others maybe feel their private lives is no concern of those they choose to play with.

I've not been to cluubs/dogging so don't know the answers, but if you meet someone in that situation and play do you ask first about their relationship status? If it's a couple on here do you ask if they are a couple in a relationship, or single but fb, or playing away? In my experience (I've had a couples account with a then fwb) those we played with mainly assumed we were together as in a relationship, despite us never saying we were.

OP - you been attached wouldn't put me off no. However you saying you'd fuck just about anything would.

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By *ayHaychMan
over a year ago

Leeds (Home) / Sheffield (Work)

What seems to be needed OP, is fab to have a “will meet cheaters” or “won’t meet cheaters” tick box to make life easier for everyone. I doubt that will happen and also assume the idea will receive a lot of hate.

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By *nj6969Couple
over a year ago

Grimsby

"Seems to me men get far more stick on here than women for been attached. Is it something that puts me off? No. Possibly because I'm in the same boat, attached and playing without them knowing.

OP - you been attached wouldn't put me off no. However you saying you'd fuck just about anything would. "

We don't grill every meet we don't judge and at the end of the day private lives are theirs. If we don't know then we have a clear conscience that all is good. If we know then we wouldn't be up for it. Just our rules but again everyone to their own not up to us to be judgey police lol.

But agree his attitude is when couples and women see all the time which is a turn off. X

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over a year ago

The majority want fun without drama, and cheating is pure drama.

I don't think many women are going to be comfortable having fun with you at the expense of your Mrs's dignity..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, massively a turn off for us xx

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

"Seems to me men get far more stick on here than women for been attached. Is it something that puts me off? No. Possibly because I'm in the same boat, attached and playing without them knowing.

OP - you been attached wouldn't put me off no. However you saying you'd fuck just about anything would. "

Yes we always ask ,as we've had fuck buds contact us and we've suspected one of them is cheating.

They've eventually come clean ,but the signs were there.

People should always be upfront ,it's tricking others if they don't & taking away their choice not to meet cheats.

Yes women do seem to get it easier here when they're married and playing away,why ? Well many men think sleeping with another mans wife is hot (so many threads stared about this) & many won't slate a woman if they think they can get a shag.

In addition married women cheating don't tend to start threads about it looking for justification,they seem to get on with it & there's some regular posters in the forums who are married .

What got me about this post though was the way the op went about it ,the attitude in the initial post.Thats what I often fine unsavoury or if they slate their partner in a post.

Miss

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By *ablo minibar123Woman
over a year ago

I imagine if you put that question to your partner they might say yes that makes you a cunt

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over a year ago

"Seems to me men get far more stick on here than women for been attached. Is it something that puts me off? No. Possibly because I'm in the same boat, attached and playing without them knowing.

OP - you been attached wouldn't put me off no. However you saying you'd fuck just about anything would.

Yes we always ask ,as we've had fuck buds contact us and we've suspected one of them is cheating.

They've eventually come clean ,but the signs were there.

People should always be upfront ,it's tricking others if they don't & taking away their choice not to meet cheats.

In addition married women cheating don't tend to start threads about it looking for justification,they seem to get on with it & there's some regular posters in the forums who are married .

What got me about this post though was the way the op went about it ,the attitude in the initial post.Thats what I often fine unsavoury or if they slate their partner in a post.

Miss"

Both on the couples profile I had and on my own single profile I don't pretend I'm something other than what I am. When we had couples one we never made out we were in a relationship outside of fab, and if anyone asked we told them straight. However if we weren't asked we would take thet as it wasn't an issue either way for who we were meeting.

I agree, it's not the fact OP is taken that puts people off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This would turn me off. It's incredibly disrespectful.

If they just fuck around without making bullshit excuses or being weird about it then I don't care.

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over a year ago

"Seems to me men get far more stick on here than women for been attached. Is it something that puts me off? No. Possibly because I'm in the same boat, attached and playing without them knowing.

OP - you been attached wouldn't put me off no. However you saying you'd fuck just about anything would.

Yes we always ask ,as we've had fuck buds contact us and we've suspected one of them is cheating.

They've eventually come clean ,but the signs were there.

People should always be upfront ,it's tricking others if they don't & taking away their choice not to meet cheats.

In addition married women cheating don't tend to start threads about it looking for justification,they seem to get on with it & there's some regular posters in the forums who are married .

**What got me about this post though was the way the op went about it ,the attitude in the initial post.Thats what I often fine unsavoury or if they slate their partner in a post.**

Miss"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't put me off as I am here just for sex, so as long as the partner doesn't turn up on my doorstep.

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By *ecretescapeCouple
over a year ago

Cheshire

Didn't used to put me off but what I have found is that cheating men have absolutely no respect or regard for my time and want everything their way when they want it. They frequently cancel or try and rearrange things, they can never book a room, and they want to have quick meets where really it's all about their pleasure not mine. So they can fuck off.

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