FabSwingers.com forum: Are all men selfish ?

By *illie69 OP Woman
over a year ago

leeds/wakefield

Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

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By *iss DevilWoman
over a year ago

Bedford

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

I have noticed that with some younger men I met in the past- just interested in their cocks, and unable/not interested in still having some sexual fun when, for some reason, cock refused to work. Also, they were way too porn-influenced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Believe it or not that’s not just the trait of some men, it definitely works both ways

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By *umalotagainMan
over a year ago

a town called malice

Seems to be something that affects both sexes. I have met some pretty selfish women in the past too

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By *lways horny wirralMan
over a year ago

Birkenhead

I love to please and pleasure first before any my needs

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By *illie69 OP Woman
over a year ago

leeds/wakefield

Yes I guess it works both ways

very frustrating

in more ways than one

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By *umalotagainMan
over a year ago

a town called malice

"Yes I guess it works both ways

very frustrating

in more ways than one

Oh 100% nothing worse than a selfish partner of any type

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By *he Black ExperienceMan
over a year ago

banbury

Believe it or not there are those of us that drive great pleasure in giving pleasure.

Sometimes I can be satisfied by knowing I've made her climax over and over without physically finishing myself. That eye roll back, the leg shaking, the curled toes the way she says yesssss then calls your name. That's my satisfaction there.

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
over a year ago

My boudoir - S Wales

"Yes I guess it works both ways

very frustrating

in more ways than one

Oh 100% nothing worse than a selfish partner of any type "

I agree. I’ve had encounters with selfish men and women. It’s frustration overload! And not worth the time spent getting ready.

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By *rgoodnbadMan
over a year ago

greenock

Maybe be a little more selective, you picked them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have to make sure she's satisfied first, or at least make sure i make her squirt allover before i shoot my load in/on her x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, all men are not selfish.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

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you definitely are because your pleasure always comes first

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By *illie69 OP Woman
over a year ago

leeds/wakefield

"Maybe be a little more selective, you picked them.

Well when it's on a dating level not a sexual meet as such it's not something you discuss beforehand

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

I don't think I'm selfish. My tongue is going like Billy o before anything else

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By *illie69 OP Woman
over a year ago

leeds/wakefield

"Nope, all men are not selfish. "

Good to hear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m the opposite, it’s all about making sure the woman is satisfied first.

I’ve literally been told in the past to stop what I’m doing so she could make sure I’ve had my share of her satisfying me x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe be a little more selective, you picked them.

Well when it's on a dating level not a sexual meet as such it's not something you discuss beforehand

If I'm thinking about having sex with someone it's 100% something I'll discuss beforehand. Even more so if it's someone I'm dating as they need to be even more spectacular than the guys I meet purely for sex!

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

I think you are meeting the wrong men OP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 100% not selfish, I take my time teasing and pleasuring any lady,making sure they are absolutely enjoying themselves, that's the number one aim of mine is that the lady is seriously satisfied and then we can start to pleasure each other

To me it's all about the lady, making her ultimately satisfied

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

I have found there to be a very high percentage of narcissistic men in the scene that will promise the world of pleasure from their hands, mouths and penises to get what they want but with no capacity to deliver. That is not to say that all men on the scene are narcissists. Not at all. But there are a lot and one will find their fair share.

The pleasure should be mutual, but if all you care about is yourself then it never will be. It absolutely does work both ways and women can be selfish and lazy in bed to- but lets face it, men are a lot easier to please that women.

I like to ask one simple question before meeting a guy... how do you please a woman. The answer to that will depend on whether I meet or block. I usually get a long list "talents" they have and how they never leave a woman unsatisfied- those guys get blocked.

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By *ultans of swing2023Couple
over a year ago

Staines

I don't agree some men only think of there pleasure but there are others who like to go above and beyond to give pleasure and please.

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

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By *eartsmanMan
over a year ago

southeast , midlands, southern France

I'm only selfish when it comes to having to share my choc chip ice-cream. No one's getting their hands on that

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

Just meet us older men instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me I will always have a social first to see if there is a physical and more importantly a mental attraction.

I have found if I meet and play without the social it’s about getting what each other need and that can have a different objective.

Have the social, have the chat, talk and flirt of what each other likes.

Sadly if a man ejaculates quickly it can be seen as a negative whereas surely if you reverse this it means he’s turned on and attracted.

If a woman orgasms quickly it’s seen more as a good thing as the man knows what he’s doing.

But with talking about it before or during and not seeing it as a negative will mean you can go back to foreplay or have a cuppa and start again.

There’s a lot of pressure on men to “perform, get and maintain an erection and not cum too quickly without feeling a “let down”

Everything needs communication

Just my thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

You are meeting the wrong men, I always pleasure the lady first (or whoever)

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By *neforutoMan
over a year ago

Fantasy land in the SW

Im very happy with making sure others are pleasured before me. Its kind of kinky of me knowing I have the ability to please others and all I ask for afterwards is to be able to wank while you watch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Luckily mr is very generous lover who’s says he gets satisfaction just from knowing I’m being pleasured, which then make me want to satisfy his needs even more x

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By *oding1Man
over a year ago

marlow

"I love to please and pleasure first before any my needs "

Me too

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By *acDreamyMan
over a year ago

Wirral

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By *acDreamyMan
over a year ago

Wirral

I read that as shellfish

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
over a year ago

My boudoir - S Wales

"I read that as shellfish "

Some penis’s look a little mollusk like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like a lot get pleasure out of other people's pleasure

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By *acDreamyMan
over a year ago

Wirral

"I read that as shellfish

Some penis’s look a little mollusk like. "

Fortunately I have never been described as mollusk-like. I think it might kill the mood!

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
over a year ago

My boudoir - S Wales

"I read that as shellfish

Some penis’s look a little mollusk like.

Fortunately I have never been described as mollusk-like. I think it might kill the mood!

It would make me clam up too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read that as shellfish

Some penis’s look a little mollusk like.

Fortunately I have never been described as mollusk-like. I think it might kill the mood!

It would make me clam up too

I sea what you did there haha!

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By *acDreamyMan
over a year ago

Wirral

"I read that as shellfish

Some penis’s look a little mollusk like.

Fortunately I have never been described as mollusk-like. I think it might kill the mood!

It would make me clam up too

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By *im RoyleCouple
over a year ago

chester

Nah! To me the best part is sex is the lady coming

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope definitely not , my veris prove otherwise

might just have an A-hole magnet lol

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By *ongandharderMan
over a year ago

Rotherham

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

You are definitely meeting the wrong men.

It should be a give and take this is why I try to chat first get an understanding of what both want

Get a mental connection to better understand the physical

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Certainly is not only men, though I assume you're seeking men and that's your experience.

There's enough comments in the forum alone to see there's selfishness from all.

I'm thinking it's the men you accept.

In a short conversation, it can become clear on that their enjoyment is, whether it's about their own pleasure or otherwise.

We've started asking them, what they would hope will happen in a first time meet with us.

That can help filter.

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By *ongandharderMan
over a year ago

Rotherham

"Certainly is not only men, though I assume you're seeking men and that's your experience.

There's enough comments in the forum alone to see there's selfishness from all.

I'm thinking it's the men you accept.

In a short conversation, it can become clear on that their enjoyment is, whether it's about their own pleasure or otherwise.

We've started asking them, what they would hope will happen in a first time meet with us.

That can help filter.

Well put communication is key

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

Yes!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Deffo see it in the younger crowd.way too much porn being watched lol.WHAM ! BAM ! well thanks but my x- box is calling

I mind meets used to be about connecting..few drinks then onto fun and relaxing afterwards...uch maybe thats just me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Deffo see it in the younger crowd.way too much porn being watched lol.WHAM ! BAM ! well thanks but my x- box is calling

I mind meets used to be about connecting..few drinks then onto fun and relaxing afterwards...uch maybe thats just me

I've met a 45yo man that for him, foreplay was clearly a new concept. I believe it's down to the individual.

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By *archelCouple
over a year ago

A field somewhere

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

Any woman I play with will cum before me, wether or not the old chap decides he wants to play

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By *reative-mindMan
over a year ago

Exeter

I love teasing to much to be selfish, I'd rather give the other person pleasure first.

It just relaxes me more I find.

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By *anDare70Man
over a year ago

kirkby

Do reply’s work on this unless it recommending someone? Otherwise it’s just more promising the Earth that the op already described.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We aren't all selfish no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some guys are selfish, some aren’t, some are just a bit shy or have a limited perception of sex.

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By *odevilWoman
over a year ago

exeter

"Certainly is not only men, though I assume you're seeking men and that's your experience.

There's enough comments in the forum alone to see there's selfishness from all.

I'm thinking it's the men you accept.

In a short conversation, it can become clear on that their enjoyment is, whether it's about their own pleasure or otherwise.

We've started asking them, what they would hope will happen in a first time meet with us.

That can help filter.

This. Definitely

I find if I'm quickly asked for pictures, the guy is just looking for a porn vending machine. Boring.

They come out late at night in droves. Pervy little vampires.

I think some just get way too excited and/or have an astonishing level of ignorance when it comes to stimulating the female body.

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

ive found it the other way around im finding at the moment that the younger guys want to stay and have lots of fun want to please and want to repeat and not selfish and alot of older guys just clock watching cumming in no time and then blame me for having a tight pussy ... not all obviously but younger at the moment do seem to want and do more and dont seem so selfish ...

but as a whole its normally easy to see the porn obsessed and fantasist but the other thing is as a woman who in her 50s men my age and older are now starting to get those age niggles like cant stay hard or cant get hard at all let alone last its a very 50/50 game and men wont tell you ...they would rather have a total crap meet (for the woman) just so they see some sexual thrill.... that how it feel to me at this time..

but there are still loads of amazing guys of all ages too who can a will please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can honestly say that in the 13 years I have been swinging very few men I have met have been obsessed with their own pleasure. If anything it's better now than it was or I have gotten better at filtering out such men.

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

"Certainly is not only men, though I assume you're seeking men and that's your experience.

There's enough comments in the forum alone to see there's selfishness from all.

I'm thinking it's the men you accept.

In a short conversation, it can become clear on that their enjoyment is, whether it's about their own pleasure or otherwise.

We've started asking them, what they would hope will happen in a first time meet with us.

That can help filter.

This. Definitely

I find if I'm quickly asked for pictures, the guy is just looking for a porn vending machine. Boring.

They come out late at night in droves. Pervy little vampires.

I think some just get way too excited and/or have an astonishing level of ignorance when it comes to stimulating the female body.

agree most men's minds can be read ...the worse ones are the ones who right from the start of messaging go off on one like a porn script ..im gonna do this your gonna do that 10 hours latter we will do this again ...my 10 inch cock is still rock hard and i still have gallons of cum ... ill make you squirt then gush then rollercoaster the biggest orgasm ...youll enjoy so much that ill be in your mind forever.... but the reality is from the moment he drops his boxers you have 10 mins if you have a tight pussy then 5 mins and if you give good blowjobs less the a couple of mins before they are getting dressed and making excuse's

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

"I can honestly say that in the 13 years I have been swinging very few men I have met have been obsessed with their own pleasure. If anything it's better now than it was or I have gotten better at filtering out such men. "

we all get better filtering out such men well i say all maybe better to say most as some people just cant people read

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So when you have a few women on here who only want their pussy or even their tits sucked without reciprication is that not women thinking about their own pleasure too?

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

No, not at all I personally want to pleasure the woman first, then I’ll come after.

But these days, some women not all do betrayed the opposite some do want the porn talk but when it comes down to it, it’s not the case. So just one cent sensual pleasures. It’s kind of like a minefield.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Deffo see it in the younger crowd.way too much porn being watched lol.WHAM ! BAM ! well thanks but my x- box is calling

I mind meets used to be about connecting..few drinks then onto fun and relaxing afterwards...uch maybe thats just me

I've met a 45yo man that for him, foreplay was clearly a new concept. I believe it's down to the individual. "

Aaarrrggghhhhh nooooooo...deffo need the foreplay

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

I think you must be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Though I'd say I want mutual I actually tend to pleasure her more. Love pleasing

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

and to be fair there are women out there who have condition men to the roll on roll of type sex too..... for what ever reason

i normally find the more i please the more i get pleased or the other way around its a 2 way street ... so to be fair its down to 2 or more people how much fun they have by pleasing witch is what sex is all about really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So when you have a few women on here who only want their pussy or even their tits sucked without reciprication is that not women thinking about their own pleasure too?"

Absolutely. The guy, if he chooses to meet does so with a full disclosure. He knows exactly what he's getting himself into. The issue is when mutual pleasure is expected/promised, then not delivered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love pleasing a woman in the bedroom.

I make sure she has the best time i can give.

I find that pleasing a woman first leads to an amazing "payback".. I stopped being selfish yeas ago! I don't think there is any fun for either of us in a "pump an go" situation.

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

No, not all men are selfish.

Good sex takes communication, before, during and after... this is on you as much as them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to think that way until I met hubby who gets off on my pleasure! Nothing like when they get turned on giving

Mrs

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Yes. Next question please?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

Yes you are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some men do make an effort unfortunately they seem to think that porn is reality

Try doing things that a woman likes and not what you think they should like

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

My aim in a meet is always to pleasure the lady or couple first as for me I am always going to enjoy it no matter.

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By *ark-horsesCouple
over a year ago

leeds

My Mr completely gets off on the giving of pleasure to others. That’s his biggest turn on!

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By *ouis CyphreMan
over a year ago

The Midlands

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

Don't understand this. The bigest turn is knowing that the person/people I am with are enjoying our play. Seeing, hearing and feeling their pleasure and satisfaction. This is what brings me my greatest pleasure.

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By *orkshireBeef26Man
over a year ago

Kirkella

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

I'm definitely not selfish,

It turns me on knowing I'm making my Female partner cum and hearing her moan with pleasure and orgasm..

Love a Gusher or Squirter and I know what to do....

Andy

Xxx

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By *oot toyMan
over a year ago

Portchester

Personally, I prefer to pleasure her before my needs are met. I absolutely love to see and hear her experiencing orgasms first

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By *etro1940sCouple
over a year ago

Kingston upon Thames

porn, culture and environment make this happen .. getting a woman "in the mood" and dealing with her needs first is a sure fire way to get fantastic sexual satisfaction guys ... just putting it out there xxx Anne

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

There are plenty of unselfish guys out there. Just need to choose better.

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

meeting the wrong men we are not all like that,,

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

Yes some men are like that.

I have always thought it was correct to please the lady first and foremost.

Generally if you do and pleasure her she will respond favourably.

It is nice to watch her enjoy herself.

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
over a year ago

My boudoir - S Wales

"I read that as shellfish

Some penis’s look a little mollusk like.

Fortunately I have never been described as mollusk-like. I think it might kill the mood!

It would make me clam up too

I sea what you did there haha! "

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By *ongueGuyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

All in the name

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Accept it, deal with it.

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By *ase4122Man
over a year ago

Lancashire

My train of thought of when being with a woman is that she is pleased first and has always been that way and always wil be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

Have to say this has been my general experience before I met Mr. He is totally different in that he really gets off on giving me pleasure as well. It's never a race to the finish for us, and it's about both of us enjoying ourselves, and I love it. So these guys do exist out there lol - have some hope!

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

The choices we make are the result.

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By *wingingbritMan
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

No absolutely not. I would a lot of men, me included, thinks it's essential to be a natural giver, in every context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So true. I just shoot my muck, roll over and go to sleep.

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By * Polite GentlemanMan
over a year ago

Brentwood

Can’t beat kissing and going down on a woman in my opinion x

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By *ongueGuyMan
over a year ago

Warrington

I get more turned on pleasing a lady. Hearing an feeling her reactions only increases it. If shes not pulling my head harder onto her an restricting my breathing im not doing my job.

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By *omtom7Man
over a year ago

Tralee

No you don't Geordie, not with Jean beside you, you don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So true. I just shoot my muck, roll over and go to sleep."

I appear to be the only man that can tell the truth too

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By *omtom7Man
over a year ago

Tralee

"I get more turned on pleasing a lady. Hearing an feeling her reactions only increases it. If shes not pulling my head harder onto her an restricting my breathing im not doing my job."

This

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By *ames_SoloMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Sex is always 50/50 in my opinion.

Can't cum and leave. I also love a lot of foreplay and make a point of seeing the woman cum once or twice.

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

Dear OP...

¹. You're just meeting the wrong men.

². Not all men.

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

Always ladies first and make sure they are properly seen too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want unselfish, message:

Wolf1977

dost

thisforthat

sshahaha

Thank me later

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By *azzle1989Man
over a year ago

Canterbury

I'm completely focused on putting a smile on a girls face, I get my pleasure from knowing ive done my duties....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you must be meeting the wrong men too!

Although I'm sure most don't mind a bit of direction..

Mutual pleasure is all about good communication.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Yes I guess it works both ways

very frustrating

in more ways than one

I'd rather please than be pleased but be warned there is the tease first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

I don't think it's all men but there is defo a large majority who use women to have a full body want

But tbh you can usually tell by how they speak about sex if they are going to be selfish or not

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By *issy_named_cTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Absolutely not

There are plenty that enjoy providing the pleasure, more than receiving it

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By *apnDomMan
over a year ago

London | Belfast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always made sure the female cums at least once before me- I see it as a challenge!!

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By *otbeefandonionsCouple
over a year ago

Bathgate

I (mrs) am very selfish, but every single man we've met on fab or in clubs has been very selfless and made it all about my pleasure x

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By *ellanbennyCouple
over a year ago

cambs

This is far from the truth. My pleasure comes from watching T give and receive pleasure.

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By *pslad99Man
over a year ago

colchester

Some are some aint on a few meets it all been about the woman seeing her get what she has asked for.

At times I have nothing in return but that was talked about before and fine to oblige.

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By *quirtyfun69Couple
over a year ago

Burnley

Erm nope (Male)

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By *rivatedreamsMan
over a year ago

carlisle

Definitely bad choices. We aren’t all selfish

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Not all men.

Mrs

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I've always made sure the female cums at least once before me- I see it as a challenge!!"

Females come? Who knew?

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By *hastityPleasureGiverMan
over a year ago

Rotherham

As someone who's has been in chastity since 19 not all men are selfish and after self pleasure

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By *xydadbodMan
over a year ago

Milton keynes

"Why is it most men are only interested in their own pleasure ? The men I've met recently have all just been bothered about themselves

What happened to pleasing both people in the bedroom ?

I think I must just be meeting the wrong men

You must be. Not all men are like that though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Certainly not all, I get a lot of pleasure from giving it. One of the most enjoyable parts of foreplay/sex for me is feeling a your whole body react just to what I can do with my tongue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are selfish, not just men and not just woman. This applies to most things posted on fab against the opposite sex.

Yeah there will always be selfish people in the bedroom, but don't give up hope, decent people do exist, and this includes people that get their enjoyment out of pleasuring others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not all of us are. I love to please. Helps me get off even more knowing its amazing for both of us xxx

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