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"I hope the judge will ask them to go into all the little details ![]() ![]() ![]() All the details are in the news report luckily he was found not guilty. | |||
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"thats the problem with people outwith the scene. They read about it, think ooohhh wouldnt that be lovely, then get the shock of their lives when it does actually hurt!" That wasn't it at all. BTW the guy in question did not tattoo her as the OP said, she went to a tattooist off her own bat before travelling down to see him. She clearly was not bound while she texted her mate that he was beating and raping her, nor would he be likely to be whipping someone who was texting. Nor is he "outwith" the scene. Instead it sounds *****very***** much like she was thinking this is tru luv and they would be togevva forevva, and when she realised it is all just sex and fun to him she threw her toys out of the pram and started talking rape.... falsely of course.. There are *chilling* consequences for the BDSM lifestyle once you get dragged anywhere near authority, in divorce court for example it is a slam dunk. | |||
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"thats the problem with people outwith the scene. They read about it, think ooohhh wouldnt that be lovely, then get the shock of their lives when it does actually hurt! That wasn't it at all. BTW the guy in question did not tattoo her as the OP said, she went to a tattooist off her own bat before travelling down to see him. She clearly was not bound while she texted her mate that he was beating and raping her, nor would he be likely to be whipping someone who was texting. Nor is he "outwith" the scene. Instead it sounds *****very***** much like she was thinking this is tru luv and they would be togevva forevva, and when she realised it is all just sex and fun to him she threw her toys out of the pram and started talking rape.... falsely of course.. There are *chilling* consequences for the BDSM lifestyle once you get dragged anywhere near authority, in divorce court for example it is a slam dunk." ![]() ![]() | |||
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"thats the problem with people outwith the scene. They read about it, think ooohhh wouldnt that be lovely, then get the shock of their lives when it does actually hurt! That wasn't it at all. BTW the guy in question did not tattoo her as the OP said, she went to a tattooist off her own bat before travelling down to see him. She clearly was not bound while she texted her mate that he was beating and raping her, nor would he be likely to be whipping someone who was texting. Nor is he "outwith" the scene. Instead it sounds *****very***** much like she was thinking this is tru luv and they would be togevva forevva, and when she realised it is all just sex and fun to him she threw her toys out of the pram and started talking rape.... falsely of course.. There are *chilling* consequences for the BDSM lifestyle once you get dragged anywhere near authority, in divorce court for example it is a slam dunk." sorry got it wrong she did have tattoo done of her own free will. They both cleary had no idea of what they were doing and were simply trying to copy the book. does seem unfair to suggest she was just scorned,she did have bruises on her neck..its not good practice to inflict injury upon a neck and if he had experience would know that. they were both stupid one to allow him to do it and two to attemp something you know nothing about Hitting with a rope ? really !!. but for it to end up in court is wrong stupidity is not a criminal offence. but on the other hand there may be more than meets the eye as he has 3 previous convictions for assult on women. shows how carefull people need to be online. | |||
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" sorry got it wrong she did have tattoo done of her own free will. They both cleary had no idea of what they were doing and were simply trying to copy the book. does seem unfair to suggest she was just scorned,she did have bruises on her neck..its not good practice to inflict injury upon a neck and if he had experience would know that. they were both stupid one to allow him to do it and two to attemp something you know nothing about Hitting with a rope ? really !!. but for it to end up in court is wrong stupidity is not a criminal offence. but on the other hand there may be more than meets the eye as he has 3 previous convictions for assult on women. shows how carefull people need to be online." ============================== You are wrong that they both clearly knew nothing, he has been in the kink scene for years... please remember the DM etc is there to sensationalise and sell papers, not report the facts. Why does it seem unfair to suggest that she was just scorned, but fair to accuse him of a rape he did not commit?... especially when all her actions (getting a tat, travelling down to see him, etc) strongly suggest she was ***well*** into it... She did have bruises on her neck, we don't know if he inflicted them, or if she bruised very easily... anyway it is a very very slippery slope from "personally I wouldn't do that shit, too dangerous" to criticising what other do, you lay yourself open to the same accusations, divide and conquer. Him having three previous convictions for "assault on women" means nothing, it could mean he had an acrimonius divorce and they were all push you shove me and as the man he got arrested and charged. How careful people need to be, abso-fucking-lutely... and what simply SCREAMS at me from this case is the man in question was anal in the extreme when it came to such precautions, safewords, slave contract, cctv recordings of the action in question, consent consent and consent documented up the wazooo... and THAT is the only reason he got a just not guilty verdict. | |||
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"Book was S**t to start with! quoted as being "mummys porn" As Ricky Tomlinson would say "MY ASS" " No Ricky would say "MY ARSE" | |||
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"i take your points, the things that suggests to me that either one or more possibly her. did not know what they were either doing or getting into was the reference to having got the idea from fifty shades !! a book widely ditested among people in the scene and not a point of reference people with any experience would use. if we met someone who wanted to do something and made refence to having read it in the book therefore wanted to try it we would decline on the grounds they were copycatting something." Again, we don't know that for a fact that either one of them was using 50 shades as a manual.... all it took was one police interviewer or lawyers clerk asking "wot, like 50 shades u mean?" and then that gets quoted in court and the rest is press sensationalism... | |||
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"Its a shame the woman cant be named as now the fella is the only one that has to deal with all the attention. I dont know if she was experienced or not - id take it that she wasnt though Im amazed a contract of this nature stood up in court being honest" The contract did not stand up in court. What stood up in court, which the contract tended to support, was that she consented throughout... therefore her injuries were akin to those received on a football field, during a consensual act, not those received during a non consensual act, such as a mugging. | |||
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"i take your points, the things that suggests to me that either one or more possibly her. did not know what they were either doing or getting into was the reference to having got the idea from fifty shades !! a book widely ditested among people in the scene and not a point of reference people with any experience would use. if we met someone who wanted to do something and made refence to having read it in the book therefore wanted to try it we would decline on the grounds they were copycatting something. Again, we don't know that for a fact that either one of them was using 50 shades as a manual.... all it took was one police interviewer or lawyers clerk asking "wot, like 50 shades u mean?" and then that gets quoted in court and the rest is press sensationalism..." During the trial, Lock was asked by defence counsel Roger Thomson if he and the alleged victim had read Fifty Shades Of Grey. He replied: “That’s where we got the idea from.” | |||
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"Yea don't understand why it was in court could set a awful president for people to press charges in the future. " Its not uncommon.. it doesnt matter if a woman is consenting or not... I was well aware that the things I did with my Master even if I didnt press charges that others could bring it up. and He could have been charged.. It doesnt matter about consent.. its still in the eyes of the law ABH and GBH and many other things. | |||
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" During the trial, Lock was asked by defence counsel Roger Thomson if he and the alleged victim had read Fifty Shades Of Grey. He replied: “That’s where we got the idea from.” " I suspect we are missing each other's point, and arguing two different things that are not mutually exclusive. Not having read 50 shades myself, I do not know what kinks it contains, however it is quite possible that 50 shades could come up in discussion, a particular kink be mentioned, as we get the idea to do that thing together. This does not mean I have never heard of it before, or done it before, or used 50 shades as a manual. My understanding of 50 shades (again, I have never read it) is that the writing and descriptions are so awful that you simply could not use it as a manual. I have heard it described by someone into kink who has (god knows why) read all three books as being like the "chinglish" assembly instructions you get for a £9.99 toy from toys r us. | |||
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"Its a shame the woman cant be named as now the fella is the only one that has to deal with all the attention." If we knew what the tattoo was we could just keep an eye out for it on any meets. And make a fast getaway! | |||
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" sorry got it wrong she did have tattoo done of her own free will. They both cleary had no idea of what they were doing and were simply trying to copy the book. does seem unfair to suggest she was just scorned,she did have bruises on her neck..its not good practice to inflict injury upon a neck and if he had experience would know that. they were both stupid one to allow him to do it and two to attemp something you know nothing about Hitting with a rope ? really !!. but for it to end up in court is wrong stupidity is not a criminal offence. but on the other hand there may be more than meets the eye as he has 3 previous convictions for assult on women. shows how carefull people need to be online. ============================== You are wrong that they both clearly knew nothing, he has been in the kink scene for years... please remember the DM etc is there to sensationalise and sell papers, not report the facts. Why does it seem unfair to suggest that she was just scorned, but fair to accuse him of a rape he did not commit?... especially when all her actions (getting a tat, travelling down to see him, etc) strongly suggest she was ***well*** into it... She did have bruises on her neck, we don't know if he inflicted them, or if she bruised very easily... anyway it is a very very slippery slope from "personally I wouldn't do that shit, too dangerous" to criticising what other do, you lay yourself open to the same accusations, divide and conquer. Him having three previous convictions for "assault on women" means nothing, it could mean he had an acrimonius divorce and they were all push you shove me and as the man he got arrested and charged. How careful people need to be, abso-fucking-lutely... and what simply SCREAMS at me from this case is the man in question was anal in the extreme when it came to such precautions, safewords, slave contract, cctv recordings of the action in question, consent consent and consent documented up the wazooo... and THAT is the only reason he got a just not guilty verdict." Turns out he has 6 convictions against women including 2 for assault, 1 for ABH, harassment and twice breaching a restraining order one led to 6 months in jail. You can make all the excuses in the world but that is more than a bit of push and shove !!! Granted we don't know the full facts of both sides although she is in one of today's low class papers telling her story. But he clearly has some issues with women and goes to show how carefull you need to be . | |||
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