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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. " Or they don't want to meet a lying cheater! | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" About the same percentage as supposedly couples on here who are actually single men. | |||
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"In my experience there is also a fair amount of men from couples profiles trying to be fly and meet alone. " We’ve had that a few times. Messages from a couple’s profile but the wife is working away or busy or visiting a sick relative and she doesn’t mind if he plays on his own! | |||
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"No idea how many but there's no option for 'partnered, playing alone '. I don't know what proportion of men over 18 are single but if you added 20% to that figure you might get a rough idea" They do have the option of disclosing in their bio that they’re partnered and playing away though | |||
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"No idea how many but there's no option for 'partnered, playing alone '. I don't know what proportion of men over 18 are single but if you added 20% to that figure you might get a rough idea They do have the option of disclosing in their bio that they’re partnered and playing away though " Yep. My personal opinion is that if people were less judgemental towards people (not just men) who are looking to meet without their partners knowledge more would state it on their profile. That way people can make their mind up whether to meet them or not. | |||
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"I don’t know but the married ones need to step this way " Stepping your way | |||
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"No idea how many but there's no option for 'partnered, playing alone '. I don't know what proportion of men over 18 are single but if you added 20% to that figure you might get a rough idea They do have the option of disclosing in their bio that they’re partnered and playing away though Yep. My personal opinion is that if people were less judgemental towards people (not just men) who are looking to meet without their partners knowledge more would state it on their profile. That way people can make their mind up whether to meet them or not. " Saying you don’t want to meet someone who’s married and playing without permission is a personal preference, nothing to do with being judgmental. As mentioned before it could be because it’s an indication that the person is willing to lie, it could be because they don’t want to have to work around when the person can sneak away from their partner, it could be because they feel sympathy for the partner being cheated on and don’t want to be a part of it, it could be because they want to do things that involve being seen in public together so they don’t want to have to hide away. Being happy to meet someone who’s married and playing without permission is a personal preference as well and I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it, but it is wrong to categorise everyone who has a different preference to you as being judgmental. | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. " Absolute bollocks, some of us are sluts with morals who don’t want to hurt other women. That, and I don’t want an angry wife on my doorstep, I avoid drama at all costs. | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. " What's a trap queen? I can sort of guess but I'd be interested to know if I'm right | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" Noticed that there's quite a few single dads to be fair, that the lifestyle fits in around there parenting quite well | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. What's a trap queen? I can sort of guess but I'd be interested to know if I'm right" Similar to how size queens like big cocks, trap queens like cocks that bear a resemblance to a trap. It can be any sort of trap, they just love a cock that looks like a trap. | |||
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"LOL Who cares? This is a swingers site not a romance dating site. Personally I think its more 50% but many lie about it." Exactly it's a swingers site not a dirty cheating site. There's a difference! Mrs | |||
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"70% at my guess, bathroom cock pics are a huge giveaway they never hide the Mrs stuff. Mrs " I'm always surprised by how many men keep two toothbrushes and a floral dressing gown | |||
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"I'm married but have permission to be here. The double standards on here amaze me sometimes, if a single guy cannot accommodate hes married and cheating, if a woman cannot accommodate then it's fine." Sadly some people love to jump to conclusions and label people. You’d think a swingers site would be really open minded but it’s quite the opposite | |||
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"No idea how many but there's no option for 'partnered, playing alone '. I don't know what proportion of men over 18 are single but if you added 20% to that figure you might get a rough idea They do have the option of disclosing in their bio that they’re partnered and playing away though Yep. My personal opinion is that if people were less judgemental towards people (not just men) who are looking to meet without their partners knowledge more would state it on their profile. That way people can make their mind up whether to meet them or not. " I have to admit I agree. Every person on here has a story, and a reason to be on here. It could be that they are in a sexless relationship or that they just need a bit extra. We both try to be as non-judgmental as possible. What matters to us is honesty. That refers to both males and females on here. | |||
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"LOL Who cares? This is a swingers site not a romance dating site. Personally I think its more 50% but many lie about it." It’s nothing to do with romance . Swinging and cheating are not the same thing. Swinging is done with consent, it’s ethical, and done right nobody gets hurt. This is a swingers site not a cheaters site. | |||
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"No idea how many but there's no option for 'partnered, playing alone '. I don't know what proportion of men over 18 are single but if you added 20% to that figure you might get a rough idea They do have the option of disclosing in their bio that they’re partnered and playing away though Yep. My personal opinion is that if people were less judgemental towards people (not just men) who are looking to meet without their partners knowledge more would state it on their profile. That way people can make their mind up whether to meet them or not. I have to admit I agree. Every person on here has a story, and a reason to be on here. It could be that they are in a sexless relationship or that they just need a bit extra. We both try to be as non-judgmental as possible. What matters to us is honesty. That refers to both males and females on here. " I'm not too bothered about reasons etc. But you only get close to honesty and therefore informed choices if people are able to state their status without fear of derogatory comments. | |||
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"Quite a lot same for men and woman. We are always surprised it bothers people so much. We have met married men over the years, their relationship if their business not ours. " You are right there both men and women have a reason for being here, however I dont advertise it but if I chat to someone and it looks as if we could meet I always tell them but even so I dont fuck so slightly different. And you can't believe how many meets I have with couple that have on their profile "no married men" | |||
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"70% at my guess, bathroom cock pics are a huge giveaway they never hide the Mrs stuff. Mrs I'm always surprised by how many men keep two toothbrushes and a floral dressing gown " Plenty of tourists on here as well be it of either sex | |||
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"Quite a lot same for men and woman. We are always surprised it bothers people so much. We have met married men over the years, their relationship if their business not ours. You are right there both men and women have a reason for being here, however I dont advertise it but if I chat to someone and it looks as if we could meet I always tell them but even so I dont fuck so slightly different. And you can't believe how many meets I have with couple that have on their profile "no married men"" For us the reason being here isn't so much of a thing. We can accept that people have their own reasons. But, I must say I've been disappointed before when meeting a guy we've been chatting to for sometime to find out he's married. We don't have "no married men" on our profile for that reason, though it's nice to be honest and open. I think anyway. | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. Or they don't want to meet a lying cheater! " This | |||
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"To be honest I prefer to know if they have all their own teeth rather than a marriage certificate. I meeting for fun not to look at holiday photos. Why should it matter ?" Personal preference, everyone’s entitled to it. | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. " Wrong , i say no married men and i'm half a Couple so not after a partner. I just prefer not to meet anyone cheating. | |||
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"To be honest I prefer to know if they have all their own teeth rather than a marriage certificate. I meeting for fun not to look at holiday photos. Why should it matter ?" In my opinion it matters because everyone has a personal code. I don't want to be the guardian of someone else's but I do like to have enough information so that I don't knowingly contravene my own | |||
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"Is it holier than thou Friday again already? " No it's not. Unlike some nice and ethical people here, I don't give a monkeys if they are attached. When trying to arrange a meet, it is the ducking-n-diving they have to do to avoid the WAG Curfew. Lunchtime knee tremble anyone? | |||
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"To be honest I prefer to know if they have all their own teeth rather than a marriage certificate. I meeting for fun not to look at holiday photos. Why should it matter ?" Yep totally agree. And for the record I have all my own teeth apart from 1 knocked out years ago playing rugby! | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. What's a trap queen? I can sort of guess but I'd be interested to know if I'm right Similar to how size queens like big cocks, trap queens like cocks that bear a resemblance to a trap. It can be any sort of trap, they just love a cock that looks like a trap. " I see. | |||
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"A high percentage I would imagine. There are also many women on here without there husbands knowledge, you just don't hear about them as much. " Because they don't get demonised..... | |||
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"To be honest I prefer to know if they have all their own teeth rather than a marriage certificate. I meeting for fun not to look at holiday photos. Why should it matter ? In my opinion it matters because everyone has a personal code. I don't want to be the guardian of someone else's but I do like to have enough information so that I don't knowingly contravene my own" Exactly, it comes down to preferences. If someone else doesn’t care that’s their choice, but I have my reasons for not wanting to meet married people and that’s my choice. And it’s annoying as fuck that people think lying to you doesn’t matter, i have a lot more respect for people who say they’re married than those who lie about it. | |||
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"I'm married but have permission to be here. The double standards on here amaze me sometimes, if a single guy cannot accommodate hes married and cheating, if a woman cannot accommodate then it's fine." It is a double standard ,not accomodating alone doesnt mean a man is a cheat.There will usually be othwe red flags along with not accommodating & some are clever & write that they can accom. Many women who can't accom will also be attached ,but as you say people donf equate that as her being a cheat.. | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. What's a trap queen? I can sort of guess but I'd be interested to know if I'm right Similar to how size queens like big cocks, trap queens like cocks that bear a resemblance to a trap. It can be any sort of trap, they just love a cock that looks like a trap. I see. " So, were you right? | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. What's a trap queen? I can sort of guess but I'd be interested to know if I'm right Similar to how size queens like big cocks, trap queens like cocks that bear a resemblance to a trap. It can be any sort of trap, they just love a cock that looks like a trap. I see. So, were you right?" My mind hadn't meandered into the territory where there are women who get off on men whose penis resembles a net concealed under leaves or a serrated iron clamp, no . I was thinking more along the lines of a phrase used by some men who are under the illusion that women need to trap men into relationships | |||
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"Why do most ASSUME if you are married you must be a lying cheat? If your playing single. Medical reasons Widowed Permission Maybe something's have absolutely nothing to do with anyone outside of the marriage. If you choose no married that's ok. But don't ASSUME. " Everyone’s talking about married and playing without the partner’s permission (ie cheating) so that cancels out your permission excuse, you’re not married if you’re a widow, you’re a widow and you can’t cheat on your partner if they’re dead, I’m not sure what medical reasons you mean so maybe you can elaborate on that one. If someone’s married and playing without permission then they are lying and cheating, that’s not an assumption, it’s a fact. I’m not judging them for doing it, it’s nothing to do with me what they do but they are lying and cheating. | |||
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"lets not forget the many halfs of swinging couples who cheat too there alot of them .. people cheat men get it in the neck more due to the number of men on here .. i /we dont judge other we dont know why or we dont want to know why we just look out for ourselves all i ask is they be upfront about it and its a well jnow fact that most married are far less hassle" Thats the same as why I prefer to work massage with couples and not single females | |||
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"70% at my guess, bathroom cock pics are a huge giveaway they never hide the Mrs stuff. Mrs I'm always surprised by how many men keep two toothbrushes and a floral dressing gown " Or men that get stuck with the floral dressing gown as their Mrs has nicked the warm towelling one again... | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. " Or they're just not interested in being caught up in any drama .... If its a couple and they're actually swinging it's different but rare to find a man who will let you confirm that with his wife | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" Loads... | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" Let us know when you get the final figure will you? | |||
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"Why would you care or doublecheck !? Everyone is entitled to present themselves in the way they see fit." They are but not in a way that deliberately deceives. | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" loads I should imagine | |||
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"I don’t know but the married ones need to step this way " I’d love to! | |||
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"I don’t know but the married ones need to step this way " Mmmmm..... not that far away either! | |||
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"I don’t know but the married ones need to step this way " im married and I'd deffo step your way | |||
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"We don't usually ask, or care, and it's easy to figure out - especially when they're only free in the middle of the day and never at weekends! If we were to start moralising about the type of people we meet, we'd likely never meet anyone - never fuck a Tory etc. And how many couples are asking guys in the clubs if they're married before getting down and dirty? Not our monkey, not our circus. " Stunning | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa? Noticed that there's quite a few single dads to be fair, that the lifestyle fits in around there parenting quite well " Have you noticed that there seems to be a much higher percentage of single dads on here than in the vanilla world? It couldn't possibly be because that's a good way to explaining 'can't accommodate could it | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" Plenty are in my experience and my profile is clear I'm not interested in that. Recent experience said he was single, lived with house mates from work etc. Messaging me from his holiday in Mexico. Erm holiday was his Honeymoon! If he was truly in an open relationship there would have been no need for lies, felt really sorry for his new wife and really disgusted in myself. I thought I could spot the liars. I'm separated from an open marriage, we never used to play together and we didn't discuss our experiences together but we never lied to people either. | |||
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"A high percentage I would imagine. There are also many women on here without there husbands knowledge, you just don't hear about them as much. Because they don't get demonised....." I bet if a married woman was bi half the couples on here wouldn't have an issue with them being married the same way that they have an issue with married men | |||
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"A high percentage I would imagine. There are also many women on here without there husbands knowledge, you just don't hear about them as much. Because they don't get demonised..... I bet if a married woman was bi half the couples on here wouldn't have an issue with them being married the same way that they have an issue with married men " Welcome to Double Standards Fab….. | |||
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"One argument I always love is the angry wife turning up at our door. I'd love to know how many times thats actually happened? I mean if I fucked some lady and her hubby contacted me I'd tell him where I met her and I didn't know she was married, hardly my fault if she wants to fuck others. And like others have said do many couples/ladies ask a fella in a club if his married or if a couple are married to each other? Probably not many. " It’s still unwanted drama. You might be okay with that, doesn’t mean others should be. There’s more to it as well, an angry spouse is likely to “out” you, which isn’t something most of us want, this side of our lives is private. Why would i waste time on someone where there’s the potential for drama, when i can just meet a single person? It’s not like there’s a shortage of single men. | |||
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" Welcome to Double Standards Fab….. " Men and women are different so how is it a double standard? | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" I don't know but what i do know is that the guys'pretending' to be single are spoiling things for the genuine single guys. A lot of women/couples see single on a guys profile and automatically equate that to ' married man playing behind the wifes back' so instantly lose interest. I'm single and have been for some time and my profile clearly states 'single' yet if i do get any interest its not long before i get asked 'what is your wife into ?' or 'does your wife like this?' or 'does she like that ?' and as soon as you point out your single your ghosted or blocked because 'single' to a lot of people on here equates to 'lying chancer' | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" FYI I am a genuinely single guy on the scene. | |||
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"I'm married but have permission to be here. The double standards on here amaze me sometimes, if a single guy cannot accommodate hes married and cheating, if a woman cannot accommodate then it's fine." I would say this is because it’s most likely assumed that women have children at home and that’s why they can’t accommodate. Obviously this won’t be all women but it’s a logical assumption to make | |||
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" Welcome to Double Standards Fab….. Men and women are different so how is it a double standard?" The double standard applies to married women playing away being more acceptable than a married man playing away. In this regard, men and women are indeed, very different... | |||
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"Perhaps playing devil’s advocate, but if you don’t know and it’s a one off meet, is there really a problem? " Yes if they've lied to and deceived me .I don't want to meet someome playing away and when someone lies they take away that choice. I always ask people as its important to me | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. Absolute bollocks, some of us are sluts with morals who don’t want to hurt other women. That, and I don’t want an angry wife on my doorstep, I avoid drama at all costs. " Nothing wrong with being a slut with morals, sadly not enough with morals nowadays whether it be sluts, men or women or whatever else anyone decides to be now | |||
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"Surprising how many can accommodate... And then that turns out to be whilst the wife is at work " Yup. Honestly I don't care if someone is married or partnered ..... its their life and their choice. But it's also my life and choice to not want to fuck them so please give me the respect and don't lie to me just to get a fuck. | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa? I don't know but what i do know is that the guys'pretending' to be single are spoiling things for the genuine single guys. A lot of women/couples see single on a guys profile and automatically equate that to ' married man playing behind the wifes back' so instantly lose interest. I'm single and have been for some time and my profile clearly states 'single' yet if i do get any interest its not long before i get asked 'what is your wife into ?' or 'does your wife like this?' or 'does she like that ?' and as soon as you point out your single your ghosted or blocked because 'single' to a lot of people on here equates to 'lying chancer' " Sorry but disagree, what I do wouldn't effect your chances on here, same as your actions wouldn't effect me. If anything it would be the other way around. The truth is lots of people on here assume and judge before knowing facts. You say your single but people don't believe you, chances are this is because they have assumed your not single. | |||
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"I'm married but have permission to be here. The double standards on here amaze me sometimes, if a single guy cannot accommodate hes married and cheating, if a woman cannot accommodate then it's fine. I would say this is because it’s most likely assumed that women have children at home and that’s why they can’t accommodate. Obviously this won’t be all women but it’s a logical assumption to make " Fantastic general statement that women are likely to have children at home hence not accomodating. I'm assuming the same logic applied to men is they are obviously married so cannot accommodate | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. Absolute bollocks, some of us are sluts with morals who don’t want to hurt other women. That, and I don’t want an angry wife on my doorstep, I avoid drama at all costs. " This exactly. I’ve had enough drama in my life I don’t want someone else’s on my doorstep. | |||
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"What? People on here say they are single when they are not? I am shocked! Truly shocked I tell you " Yerz... Single and "Straight" apparently... Double shocker! | |||
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"We genuinely couldn’t care less. If someone is married and chooses to play on here that’s their decision. Their relationship isnt our issue. We find married guys less complicated " True, both ways. | |||
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"Fed up of seeing the “holier than thou” comments or “people have their reasons” to justify cheating, or those who come off as bragging about cheating or being the other person. Sorry but there just isn’t an excuse. The key part of swinging or kink is CONSENT and the wife/husband/partner at home who is in the dark about all of this clearly hasn’t consented to their partner going behind their backs or risking STIs without their knowledge. Your sexless relationship is no excuse to betray someone who loves you, grow the hell up and communicate, get couples therapy or have the decency to break up with them so they can find someone better. Why does it matter if meeting a cheater? Because you are knowingly doing it without the consent of the other partner and willingly engaging with a confirmed asshole which should be the mother of unattractive traits. Swinging to us is an ultimate sign of trust, intimacy and consent. So yes I’m judging as I think about all the partners that have no idea what the people who supposedly love and cherish them are doing behind there backs. Show me one good justification for being so cruel go on… " And that's your take on the swinging scene, however one thing I've learnt in all the years I've been on the scene and that is everybody has their own way of doing things. I.e. you think consent (I assume in this context you mean permission to play) is the key part of swinging where as others it might be the idea of a large dick. Some people care if someone is married or not some couldn't give a fuck, just like some people only play with professional couples as opposed to amateur couples (whatever that actually means) | |||
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"How many supposedly single men on here do you think are married and their wives do not know.. or visa versa?" Probably most men especially if you read can’t accommodate | |||
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"In my experience there is also a fair amount of men from couples profiles trying to be fly and meet alone. We’ve had that a few times. Messages from a couple’s profile but the wife is working away or busy or visiting a sick relative and she doesn’t mind if he plays on his own!" Omg this has happened to us on many occasions | |||
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"It is irrelevant. If a man presents himself as single, that's all you need to know. No one owes anyone an explanation on here." They really do! I definitely don’t want to be an accessory to someone’s infidelity and deceit! | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. " Never seen anything more untrue in my life… hilarious No cheating men cos i have standards I won’t drop just to get laid on a sex site lol. This is the last place I’d look for a partner, if I actually wanted one! | |||
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"I used to have more success when I was married, technically I still am as the divorce hasn't been completed yet, than I do as a single and can now accommodate. I always informed those I was going to meet, pre social or meet. Very few were bothered by it. I've never judged, not being a hypocrite but I have chatted to and met several women that were married. A couple of them never informed me until after we met/played. But it will always be the married male that will be vilified. I was in a sexless and emotionless marriage until I did something about it. There are many reasons people 'play away'. People will always judge, as is their prerogative." It's not about judging, a random married man on here isnt that important tbh. For me its restrictions, skullduggery and being his 'dirty little secret'. I want people who i can socialise without having to cross county borders, who can do overnights and spontaneous meets and I dont want to be always having to fit around his agenda. That's not judging or moralistic its practicality. | |||
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"It's a tell-tell sign of a trap queen when they say no married men. They are not here for fun they are looking for a partner. Or they don't want to meet a lying cheater! " Yup what she said! | |||
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"all those saying they wont play with married sorry but you proberly already have and will do again ...people lie some are terrible at it but some are very good and will fool you ... it the same with couples who wont play with bi guys erm 100% sure you have you just dont know it " Exactly. I fail to see it as an issue, men being married and playing with others. Their business is exactly that, their business. | |||
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"Yup, Im married and playing alone and display it on my profile and yes I have a conscience and yes I struggle with the morals of my behvious. Please feel free to walk the last 15 yrs in my shoes and earn the right to judge me otherwise just pass me by " This is why married men are fine with me. This guy has clearly had a rough ride, and maybe swinging is his way of being someone else, creating a nicer world for himself? | |||
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"Yup, Im married and playing alone and display it on my profile and yes I have a conscience and yes I struggle with the morals of my behvious. Please feel free to walk the last 15 yrs in my shoes and earn the right to judge me otherwise just pass me by This is why married men are fine with me. This guy has clearly had a rough ride, and maybe swinging is his way of being someone else, creating a nicer world for himself? " This is why I am also open on my profile. Our stories are personal, but at least we are honest about our status and allow people make an informed decision. I also respect someones choice if they do not want to go with me, based upon my status. | |||
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"But also you have couple profiles that are 90% controlled by men most likely to be single " Some might be not the ones with veris (especially relatively recent veris and pics). In many cases the ladies can't be arsed with it and the man does the Fabmin. Comes across lots and lots of real couples like this. | |||
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"I mention it in my profile - is about respect for people's preferences and I'd be a terrible lier so what's the point trying?? " Well if we could read your profile would be good | |||
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"I don’t know but the married ones need to step this way " Great comment! Wish I was closer! | |||
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"I'm married but have permission to be here. The double standards on here amaze me sometimes, if a single guy cannot accommodate hes married and cheating, if a woman cannot accommodate then it's fine. Sadly some people love to jump to conclusions and label people. You’d think a swingers site would be really open minded but it’s quite the opposite " Absolutely agree with this | |||
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