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"There's a whole spectrum of BDSM, personally, I really enjoy inflicting pain on others " ^^ she broke my | |||
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"I replied to a topic on BDSM saying I enjoyed receiving and giving BDSM but I personally don’t enjoy extreme pain or my body being marked. I received several replies mainly from ladies who would like to try BDSM but haven’t indulged because of those same worries , fear of being marked and pain They wanted to endure submissive nature of the act and respond to the obedience required, the thrill they wanted was the sexual arousal , control of movement and forced timing of orgasms or coming. Perhaps there is a place for less aggressive BDSM. ? " There are many facets to bdsm and when I read sentences like 'not into pain more into the submissive, obedience side', it seems too blue sky thinking. If your mindset ultimately put you in a state where you can submit to say paddling or pain of any type, once that has been given/received (to a large extent) play is over. The idea that playing with someone's mindset for obedience extends far beyond play, and is far more extreme in my view as it's more ingrained and long lasting. It doesn't stop at one time play, it is a curated set of rules, actions and choices that change behaviour. Something that unless you're in a very long term relationship, the submissive will be left holding should the other up and leave. | |||
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"I've only dabbled but there was no pain involved, which actually really surprised me." Tell Mr to try harder next time then | |||
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"Impact etc are only one part of BDSM. Some types of BDSM (eg mental dominance) dint even have to be physical. It’s best when discussing BDSM & kink to be extremely specific about what you’re interested in trying & what your limits are. " The mental side is much more fun & interesting in my opinion | |||
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" The mental side is much more fun & interesting in my opinion " | |||
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"I replied to a topic on BDSM saying I enjoyed receiving and giving BDSM but I personally don’t enjoy extreme pain or my body being marked. I received several replies mainly from ladies who would like to try BDSM but haven’t indulged because of those same worries , fear of being marked and pain They wanted to endure submissive nature of the act and respond to the obedience required, the thrill they wanted was the sexual arousal , control of movement and forced timing of orgasms or coming. Perhaps there is a place for less aggressive BDSM. ? " Sounds like you are probably looking more for a Dom/sub kind of arrangement rather than true BDSM. Where you have the domination and control without the pain. Kink in any form is customisable and you make it fit what you want. As long as all parties are consenting and know where the lines and limits are with lots of good communication you can make it work for you in whatever way you wish. | |||
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" BDSM Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masichism. So you would struggle to not have any of the giving and receiving of pain/punishment as that's the "SM" part. But the B&D part absolutely can be non painful and very sensual. You can separate sub/Dom from the BDSM world, I think this is where you are coming from (but everyone throws it all into the one acronym and world). Submission in itself is a mental act not a physical one. It can be all sensual, even non physical, a submissive submits to and their pleasure comes from pleasing their Dominant, the Dominant in turn can reward and punish their sub if they do not, but the punishment does not have to a physical punishment, retracting their attention or ignoring them is often enough. It's a wonderful world! golden rule is, find your "normal" and don't let anyone else tell you what you should and should not be doing! " There are levels of pain though. The men I've come across who started to think I'm their sub always wanted cause a lot of pain. Like using a belt, or biting until they drew blood. This was without any discussion; they thought anything goes. | |||
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" BDSM Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masichism. So you would struggle to not have any of the giving and receiving of pain/punishment as that's the "SM" part. But the B&D part absolutely can be non painful and very sensual. You can separate sub/Dom from the BDSM world, I think this is where you are coming from (but everyone throws it all into the one acronym and world). Submission in itself is a mental act not a physical one. It can be all sensual, even non physical, a submissive submits to and their pleasure comes from pleasing their Dominant, the Dominant in turn can reward and punish their sub if they do not, but the punishment does not have to a physical punishment, retracting their attention or ignoring them is often enough. It's a wonderful world! golden rule is, find your "normal" and don't let anyone else tell you what you should and should not be doing! There are levels of pain though. The men I've come across who started to think I'm their sub always wanted cause a lot of pain. Like using a belt, or biting until they drew blood. This was without any discussion; they thought anything goes." As a general rule a D/s dynamic can only work with lots of communication. They should not be doing anything that is going to cause pain without prior discussion of limits. I am a sub but anyone who wouldn’t dicuss limits and agree to stay within me boundaries prior to play would not get to meet me. BDSM still requires full consent, it is not a free pass to abuse someone. | |||
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"Dominance CAN overlap with sadism, as submission CAN overlap with masochism, but it can often work the other way, or be a minor factor,or utterly absent. I've used restraint, some basic rope play, wax, spanking, ice, a belt,once electroplay...but most of my experience as a Dominant has been nothing to do with any of that. Most of those aspects were requests from submissives in clubs, not things I would regularly do with a partner, though all can be fascinating at times, with the right person, and in the right setting. D/s is at the core of my life and personality. Like Zen, or feminism, it isn't a set of practices so much as a way of seeing and making sense of the world, and human sexual relationships in particular." You write/speak so beautifully on this topic El. It's a poetic ab initio course on BDSM in your world and a joy to read. | |||
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" You write/speak so beautifully on this topic El. It's a poetic ab initio course on BDSM in your world and a joy to read. " That's a disarmingly lovely thing for you to say, Meli. Thank you. 'In your world' is key, of course - I can only speak for myself. But I'm so happy to learn it means something to you. | |||
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"I don't think it does, but most men who think I'm a sub seem to think it does. To me, they are people who feel inadequate, or had a terrible mother, and want to take it out on a woman. " | |||
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" BDSM Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masichism. So you would struggle to not have any of the giving and receiving of pain/punishment as that's the "SM" part. But the B&D part absolutely can be non painful and very sensual. You can separate sub/Dom from the BDSM world, I think this is where you are coming from (but everyone throws it all into the one acronym and world). Submission in itself is a mental act not a physical one. It can be all sensual, even non physical, a submissive submits to and their pleasure comes from pleasing their Dominant, the Dominant in turn can reward and punish their sub if they do not, but the punishment does not have to a physical punishment, retracting their attention or ignoring them is often enough. It's a wonderful world! golden rule is, find your "normal" and don't let anyone else tell you what you should and should not be doing! There are levels of pain though. The men I've come across who started to think I'm their sub always wanted cause a lot of pain. Like using a belt, or biting until they drew blood. This was without any discussion; they thought anything goes. As a general rule a D/s dynamic can only work with lots of communication. They should not be doing anything that is going to cause pain without prior discussion of limits. I am a sub but anyone who wouldn’t dicuss limits and agree to stay within me boundaries prior to play would not get to meet me. BDSM still requires full consent, it is not a free pass to abuse someone. " The thing was, I wasn't their sub, they just assumed because I'm passive and naturally submissive. | |||
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"I made the grievous error of saying 'true dom' once " Excuse me it’s Dom with a capital D! | |||
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"I don't think it does, but most men who think I'm a sub seem to think it does. To me, they are people who feel inadequate, or had a terrible mother, and want to take it out on a woman. " Or just cunts who want to watch the world burn? | |||
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"The best sub task I ever came up with was to send me a new song each day that was meaningful. Now we have an amazing playlist called Task. " I just had to say this is a great task and I bet the playlist is awesome | |||
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"People do spend altogether too much time concerning themselves with how everyone else does it and miss out on the chance to please themselves. It's a shame really. Some get very wound up about BDSM too and what's 'allowed' or not. Trying to school others or shame others for drawing their own lines or making their own interpretations etc. Human nature strikes again I suppose. I made the grievous error of saying 'true dom' once Who knew that was a trigger for some. But that's how I see the difference in those who have that certain indescribable something, that element, in their character that just flips a switch in me.... can't be learned or faked. Just is. Just true natural dom." No such thing as a true natural dom. | |||
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"No it doesn't have to be painful, I'm not into pain but enjoy the more sensual side of BDSM, restraining the Mr, teasing him, floggers etc can be used to stimulate the senses not just to cause pain. Mrs " We too love this part of BDSM. Especially restraint on bed and on over door St Andrew’s Cross. Blindfolded fantastic | |||
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" The mental side is much more fun & interesting in my opinion " | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink." 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. " I think they portrayed him more as a sadist which gave the average guy wanting to try BDSM out the wrong idea. | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. " | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. " Me either. At least kink is talked about now. But to add my pennies worth… BDSM play and D/s are 2 very different things. To answer the OPs question pain isn’t always involved in kink play. It’s entirely what is agreed to by the parties involved, considering SSC and RACK beforehand and always before. Not during. D/s or M/s or other types of BDSM relationships of any kind aren’t about play. They are evolved in the mind and only ever acted upon when both parties agree to these. I’ve had the absolute pleasure of being involved with both and for me, as long as kink play is consensual then explore and understand what is right for you both. Just because you are a D or s type does not mean you don’t get an input and tbh it wouldn’t be a power exchange, even in play, if you didn’t. D/s for me is entirely in the mind before anything else so play does only come into it as a consequence of this. Not a prerequisite | |||
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"I have to give the usual qualification that everyone is entitled to do BDSM their own way and this is my own view and people are entitled to their own view. I really try to be positive and helpful in BDSM threads, but I find thos thread difficult in a number of ways. Therefore I echo Enigmatic x Divinity. I wish people would get educated before getting involved or starting in kink interactions. If they did they would learn about knowing themselves and knowing their boundaries. They would know that before doing a scene or starting a relationship there should be clear communication of what is to happen. Safe Sane Consensual was succeeded by Risk Aware Consensual Kink (RACK) which is being succeeded by Personal Responsibility Informed Consensual Kink (PRICK) i.e do your research,or in other words you are your own safety officer. Before we used the phrase "power exchange" but those who accept the modern approach to BDSM are talking about "authority transfer". A submissive always has power/agency but it's a transfer of authority that occurs. Of course old school BDSM has a different approach but that should be discussed and if not acceptable rejected. My other wish is that people did not say "BDSM[/D/s] is not only about pain" but said "The way I do BDSM[D/s] does not involve pain". In my experience more people are into sensual play than hard play. I did note that pain was mentioned and not sex. I have had great impact scenes with no sex or orgasms involved. My experience is that BDSM[D/s] is whatever anyone and their partners make it. It's not what others do, it's what you want to do. All we can talk about is our own experience, so when people say it is all in the mind I have to disagree. My view is that it is a 50/50 thing. The submissives and bottoms I have interacted with expect a certain level of performance/ability from the Top/ Dominant. Whether it is impact, rope, or service generally the submissive or bottom will expect tasks or actions to perform,or actions performed on them to enable them to feel submissive. Even if you stripped out all impact, tasks and service, submissives usually have their behaviour and speech modified, these are all physical manifestations. Whenever anyone offers sensual domination,I think of the guys at naturist clubs offering massages. I think a skilled Top!/ Dominant can do different styles. Anyway feel free to disagree, I have a view as my experience tends to differ from others, but I think the alternative should be aired. " It's all agreeable. Who decides the new names for the rules though? RACK PRICK etc. | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. I think they portrayed him more as a sadist which gave the average guy wanting to try BDSM out the wrong idea. " And not only that, but for his desires coming from a place of trauma and hurt… | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. I think they portrayed him more as a sadist which gave the average guy wanting to try BDSM out the wrong idea. And not only that, but for his desires coming from a place of trauma and hurt…" No men actually watched it though, but all the women in re office loved it and rushed out to Anne summers too buy the kit. Only the BDSM police objected, and they won’t admit to watching it because it’s none-sense. | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. I think they portrayed him more as a sadist which gave the average guy wanting to try BDSM out the wrong idea. And not only that, but for his desires coming from a place of trauma and hurt… **No men actually watched it though,** but all the women in re office loved it and rushed out to Anne summers too buy the kit. Only the BDSM police objected, and they won’t admit to watching it because it’s none-sense. " ** | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. I think they portrayed him more as a sadist which gave the average guy wanting to try BDSM out the wrong idea. And not only that, but for his desires coming from a place of trauma and hurt…" According to a lot of stuff I've read on here, that's pretty standard | |||
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"Google Gentle Dom/Domme OP. You should find something Interesting in there for you " will definitely be doing that today | |||
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"I haven't quite caught up on the whole thread yet, but although we do indulge in some impact play...sometimes we'll do shibari, restraints, sensory deprivation (blindfolds etc)...and the only torture comes from the relentless use of the wand... " That's my favourite form of sadism, too, and not just with wands. 'Not yet, darling...wait until you feel the warmth spread from your core...I know you can't speak, just nod...look at me...NOW.' Ah, memories. | |||
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"I haven't quite caught up on the whole thread yet, but although we do indulge in some impact play...sometimes we'll do shibari, restraints, sensory deprivation (blindfolds etc)...and the only torture comes from the relentless use of the wand... That's my favourite form of sadism, too, and not just with wands. 'Not yet, darling...wait until you feel the warmth spread from your core...I know you can't speak, just nod...look at me...NOW.' Ah, memories." | |||
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"I haven't quite caught up on the whole thread yet, but although we do indulge in some impact play...sometimes we'll do shibari, restraints, sensory deprivation (blindfolds etc)...and the only torture comes from the relentless use of the wand... That's my favourite form of sadism, too, and not just with wands. 'Not yet, darling...wait until you feel the warmth spread from your core...I know you can't speak, just nod...look at me...NOW.' Ah, memories. " You've had that, too? It is beautiful. | |||
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"I haven't quite caught up on the whole thread yet, but although we do indulge in some impact play...sometimes we'll do shibari, restraints, sensory deprivation (blindfolds etc)...and the only torture comes from the relentless use of the wand... That's my favourite form of sadism, too, and not just with wands. 'Not yet, darling...wait until you feel the warmth spread from your core...I know you can't speak, just nod...look at me...NOW.' Ah, memories. You've had that, too? It is beautiful." No… | |||
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"No, it doesn't. Unless that is what you are seeking and have agreed with your play partner. BDSM covers much a multi faceted area, that you are free to indulge in whatever way you choose. But the basis of all good BDSM relationships is consent and communication. That communication doesn't even have to be verbal in some cases. " That’s the key traits of all healthy good relationships | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. I think they portrayed him more as a sadist which gave the average guy wanting to try BDSM out the wrong idea. " I would counter that more men have likely watched kink porn online and thought that was a training manual than read 50 shades of grey. I have no evidence to back it up mond. | |||
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"50 shades of grey ruined bdsm. Kink is more than pain. It’s a myriad of things. I’d implore anyone who was reluctant to try it because of whatever hang up to go to a munch. Very wholesome social meets for those who love kink. 50 shades bought bdsm conversation into the mainstream. And for me , that’s no bad thing. I think they portrayed him more as a sadist which gave the average guy wanting to try BDSM out the wrong idea. I would counter that more men have likely watched kink porn online and thought that was a training manual than read 50 shades of grey. I have no evidence to back it up mond. " | |||
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"Oh, I've met my share of guys who think they are Christian Gray. Did have one particularly pushy guy at a club once, who really thought he was god's gift and refused to accept no was no. Apparently he was going to control me in body and mind, and he was a 'name' on the BDSM scene. Left red faced when backed into a corner by a very large loud Welsh woman who made him piss himself without touching him. Ran off and cried to the organisers. They pointed out they neither knew who he was or really cared. If he pissed off the DMs and disrespected the club rules, he would be ejected from the playroom. Oh, and don't try playing mind games with psychological sadists that you will never win." Cool story. | |||
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"I replied to a topic on BDSM saying I enjoyed receiving and giving BDSM but I personally don’t enjoy extreme pain or my body being marked. I received several replies mainly from ladies who would like to try BDSM but haven’t indulged because of those same worries , fear of being marked and pain They wanted to endure submissive nature of the act and respond to the obedience required, the thrill they wanted was the sexual arousal , control of movement and forced timing of orgasms or coming. Perhaps there is a place for less aggressive BDSM. ? " I love being marked, but only in acceptable places [to me] - my D respects that - I keep my job and don't offend my mother. We both get what we need .. It's not a free-for-all. In the world of kink and BDSM communication is EVERYTHING | |||
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