FabSwingers.com forum: photographers asking for photo sessions

By *oxy j OP Woman
over a year ago

taunton somerset

so photographers asking for photo sessions and offering rewards ...now we know the rules have been broken with the rewards bit but thats the least of the problems here ...

modern camera's dont even need cards in them anymore the simply send pics str8 to internet storage / cloud do they really think people are stupid that we dont know this you only have to look at any internet porn sites to see accounts full of these pics .. even older camera's have 2 card slots and its the same with smart phones pics can be taken and go str8 to cloud or apps l;ike drop box and others ..

ask yourself why would someone want to photograph you for nothing no keeping pics or anything or if they say tou'll get the pics and they even show you the pics moving from the phone to your device does not mean they dont have copies in clouds ... if they want nothing then why not just ask to watch.

ive never allowed anyone to take pics nor would i far too risky ... there are loads of accounts on the usual porn sites of people who spend there days nicking pics already lots of face pics too let alone giving some one permission.

so where do you stand on this ... would like to hear from the non photographers side please ,...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have had numerous offers to partake in 'photoshoot' from guys

We have our own equipment and we take our pics and we control the content we put on here.

If you have someone else behind the lens - how can you tell they are not taking full face pics and sending them into cloud..... trust no one simple as that

and to be honest we find these requests to be creepy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I wanted someone to take photos of me, what I’d do for what it’s worth, is provide the camera or phone for them to take them on.

So many on here claim to be photographers and don’t have a single decent photo on their profile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We were looking for a photographer but gave it up after we heard a lot of horror stories but yeah also tons of offers from “photographers” with nothing in their profile except two poorly composed and lit pictures of their cock.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

The amount of paranoia on here about pics getting out and being shared is laughable once you share any pic anywhere on the web that's it you have lost control .wonder how many remove the exif data from thier pics before sharing lots of info in there for anyone to find

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By *oxy j OP Woman
over a year ago

taunton somerset

"The amount of paranoia on here about pics getting out and being shared is laughable once you share any pic anywhere on the web that's it you have lost control .wonder how many remove the exif data from thier pics before sharing lots of info in there for anyone to find "

whilst that may be true we can control what we can at the very least ...also the aw is not so much about your pics its about what others do with it ..the laws have tighten alot over the years anyway this subject is about photographers and trust nothing else

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By *oulivCouple
over a year ago

Newtown

If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away.

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By *erces LetiferMan
over a year ago

Somewhere off the edge of the map... 'ere there be monsters

Yeah, even as someone with an amateur level of skill and interest in ‘proper’ photography (read: basically just means I use a DSLR and image editing software instead of just a phone camera) as a hobby, I would never advertise or offer up front any “services” on here as a tog.

However what I will say, and I know you only want the other side’s opinions in this thread, but to offer my own personal answer to “why would they do this? For free??” would be simple; it’s a creative hobby and a passion that I want to grow and learn and get better at. And it’s that simple. Can only speak for myself, obviously. No doubt there are a few chancers out there, so your reservations are perfectly justified (and indeed advisable).

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By *ants_Nerdy_CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Havant

Almost all of the standard places you would share photos (FB, Insta and the like) strip exif data automatically, and while I haven't checked I'd be amazed if this site weren't the same.

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By *ants_Nerdy_CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Havant

Just confirmed, no exif data on images downloaded from here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m flattered to be asked as it means someone finds me attractive. Never taken anyone up on the offer as discretion is key xx

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By *lumPuddingCouple
over a year ago

Doncaster

I think the safest way would be for the persons being filmed to provide the cameras/phones. Most phones can record video at a good spec and not require unlocking to access the camera feature. For trust issues it’d be worth the photographer handing over their phone too until all is done. And lastly, use someone that is trusted or has a good recommendation. It would leave you to do all the editing yourself but maybe the photographer could get an edited version for their trouble? A momento which you wouldn’t care too much if it did get posted on the net. Or not?

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By *lumPuddingCouple
over a year ago

Doncaster

Btw, we’re looking for a photographer to film us too, a scenario similar to the above.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so photographers asking for photo sessions and offering rewards ...now we know the rules have been broken with the rewards bit but thats the least of the problems here ...

so where do you stand on this ... would like to hear from the non photographers side please ,...

I may of misunderstood this thread a little bit but just in case I haven't,

this would come under the legislation of revenge porn if someone was to share images or footage of you without your consent which is a prison sentence of up to 2 years.

If I remember correctly, they are coming down heavy on the People doing this in order to make an example of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Btw, we’re looking for a photographer to film us too, a scenario similar to the above."

@_lumpudding

pm me if you would like. im interested in what your mentioning and wouldn't require any footage for myself. if you have any questions feel free to pm me

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

Not quite sure what the issue is here. Having photos taken by 3rd party always carried a risk of them ending up somewhere they shouldn't of. Regardless of memory cards or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not worth the risk as you said. People rarely do something for nothing.

I take my own pics amd edit them to what I feel comfortable with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are far worse things than a few pics circulated. A few years ago a male friend got into modelling. He was invited to a shoot, all expenses paid plus a fee with a male photographer. All went well but at some point he was doped and seriously assaulted. He didn't report it but afterwards other guys did and the photographer was arrested. The police investigation revealed a "library" of pics and videos with all details so he was contacted by the police.It went to court,the photographer was jailed for quite a few years and there was a second trial later on and his sentence doubled.The police told my mate it was almost certain that the videos had been circulating in the black market and there was nothing they could do.

I know you all think you wouldn't be so stupid or you are too careful but beware,there are bad people out there

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By *napperSpikeMan
over a year ago

St Albans

"If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away. "

Why?

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By *lutsadieTV/TS
over a year ago

Hinckley

I'm happy to be photographed or Filmed if there's someone local.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a tight a Tog who doesnt want to pay ,just tell to piss off

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

I often get photographer, sugar daddies and masseuse offering free services. No thanks

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By *nick52Man
over a year ago

Warrington

oh for the old days of poloroids and super 8 cine, yes folks i am that old

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By *iercedItMan
over a year ago

North West

As a photographer, surely due diligence would check out the person and verify they are indeed what they say ?

Like any meet, how do you know there isn't covert camera for example ? Doesn't have to be a photo shoot.

When I offer to take photos, I provide details of my business and website, so I'm effectively trading on my reputation. Not to mention recent changes in the law which include revenge porn legislation, they are just looking for examples to put up on the cross, and it ain't going to be me.

I have a voyeuristic streak, and enjoy directing, which is why I offer.

Do your due diligence, take the same precautions you would with any meet and should be fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's the thing. There's soooo much professional and semi professional down to Z lister stuff out there that in reality who the fuck wants to look at my ugly mush getting laid or worse still just put there naked? Chances are quite high absolutely nobody.

Any deviant at work that somehow finds me and makes the link probably isn't going out themselves by making contact.

IMHO you are a needle in a massive fuck off haystack.

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By *heirry84Man
over a year ago

Midlands

I would listen to their intentions and ask to see previous work. Yes there are lots of amateurs on here who prob just want to perv but also remember there might be people looking to build a portfolio.

You can usually tell a proper photographer by what they want. It's really hard to make full intercourse look attractive in imagery so I personally wouldn't ever shoot anything like that. However classy location portraiture that has a sexy twist does.

Guess it's like anything in life, a few bad eggs spoil it for everyone else. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't trust anyone though

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By *rKinksMan
over a year ago

Alton

Did a photo shoot with an ex and a couple, male half was into photographic.

Long story short photos remained between the four of us no issue....

Until we all broke up for separate reasons. Since then we've had a couple of falling out with people using photos the others aren't happy with.

My point being you never seem to be able to win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away. "

Im afraid this isnt quite true. MRFs are pointless for the models. They are only useful for the tog when he is selling to publish.

In the UK ownership of the image is the person who captured it, which means the tog has full rights. Just consider whether you are willing to take someone to small claims when you have obviously posed for the image. You will lose.

If you want really nice images of yourself but do not want your face in the picture, quite simply hide your face or wear a mask.

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By *orthern_silver_foxMan
over a year ago

Cramlington

I'd say your privacy is more at risk from taking and sharing photos with someone you've just met and had a social with before jumping in the sack, than it is from a genuine photographer.

There is the difficulty though of ing out those who pretend to be photographers and finding that genuine one.

There are genuine and very able photographers on here, who have proper portfolios, shooting various aspects from fashion to adult. Always trying to capture the moment while portraying people in a way that they appreciate.

Maybe those genuine and very able photographers, are hard to find because while happy to take photos of people on here they don't advertise it because of the negativity. Created by the wannabes and pervs.

Just one opinion. I have others ....lol

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By *oxy j OP Woman
over a year ago

taunton somerset

"If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away.

Im afraid this isnt quite true. MRFs are pointless for the models. They are only useful for the tog when he is selling to publish.

If you want really nice images of yourself but do not want your face in the picture, quite simply hide your face or wear a mask.

utter rubbish .... that like saying because a ex boyfriend took some nudes of me he owns them ?? if thats the case the the new revenge porn laws are not going to work ..

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

"If I wanted someone to take photos of me, what I’d do for what it’s worth, is provide the camera or phone for them to take them on.

So many on here claim to be photographers and don’t have a single decent photo on their profile

I can point and shoot….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away.

Im afraid this isnt quite true. MRFs are pointless for the models. They are only useful for the tog when he is selling to publish.

If you want really nice images of yourself but do not want your face in the picture, quite simply hide your face or wear a mask.

utter rubbish .... that like saying because a ex boyfriend took some nudes of me he owns them ?? if thats the case the the new revenge porn laws are not going to work ..

So I have been in the game for 20 years you don’t have to believe me I don’t really care, but confusing images swapped between partners is not the same as copyright laws the photographer has.

There is not a Law in this land that would deny the copyright of an image I had taken if I could prove it was taken by me (exif data for example) a good example is street photography, I wouldn’t ask for a MRF if I was papping for a paper.

By posing in private you have given implicit permission for the tog to take the picture.

They key thing is how you challenge this you have to go to the small claims court and prove you didn’t pose for the photographer. Just imagine how difficult that would be.

So with that in mind just be careful who takes your picture, it’s not worth my reputation to. Not explain to everyone I shoot where I am putting the pictures.

I also agree never to show images which I do not. But then those people trust me becuase they know I wouldnt be that awful to share them. Also I ensure they see all images taken and I don’t shoot faces.

Just never forget any image on locked sites like this or OF or Fet can always be copied and shared.

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By *napperSpikeMan
over a year ago

St Albans

"If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away.

Im afraid this isnt quite true. MRFs are pointless for the models. They are only useful for the tog when he is selling to publish.

If you want really nice images of yourself but do not want your face in the picture, quite simply hide your face or wear a mask.

utter rubbish .... that like saying because a ex boyfriend took some nudes of me he owns them ?? if thats the case the the new revenge porn laws are not going to work ..

In the case of an ex boyfriend he would own the copyright, they are his photos as he press the shutter, however assuming he was a boyfriend at the time the images were shot the revenge porn laws would be applicable since being the copyright holder does not necessarily mean you have the right to publish them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away.

Im afraid this isnt quite true. MRFs are pointless for the models. They are only useful for the tog when he is selling to publish.

If you want really nice images of yourself but do not want your face in the picture, quite simply hide your face or wear a mask.

utter rubbish .... that like saying because a ex boyfriend took some nudes of me he owns them ?? if thats the case the the new revenge porn laws are not going to work ..

Explained much better than I did

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"If they don’t have model release forms they are cowboys steer away.

Im afraid this isnt quite true. MRFs are pointless for the models. They are only useful for the tog when he is selling to publish.

If you want really nice images of yourself but do not want your face in the picture, quite simply hide your face or wear a mask.

utter rubbish .... that like saying because a ex boyfriend took some nudes of me he owns them ?? if thats the case the the new revenge porn laws are not going to work ..

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nope you are wrong the person taking the image owns the copyright I have successfully taken the manchester evening news the daily mail and the telegraph for considerable amounts of money for lifting my urbex pictures from sites and publishing them without my permission .issued them with a takedown notice and an invoice for use of my images paid for new camera body and some lenses .copyright law is copyright law you can guarantee there will be a clause that gets around it for revenge porn cases

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By *adyinred696969Couple
over a year ago

Brecon

There is usually a swinger in your local area who's a bit of an amateur 'tog, if you find them, and they have a few decent veries, maybe you could ask them to take some pics.

Although it's a better idea than just using some random, you can never guarantee complete safety.

I've cut out the middle man, and bought a halfway decent DSLR for myself, as I've always liked taking pics, just means I'll have to figure out how to use a timer properly lol.

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By *napperSpikeMan
over a year ago

St Albans

If you do want photos of yourself whether you're a couple individual & want absolute control over the images take them yourself.

The simplest method is to use an "intervalometer" type app on your phone -these enable you to set the phone on a tripod or stand & set it to take a photo every so many seconds for a set total number of photos. Set it running & pose away, delete the rubbish, keep the good ones. I you're a couple use both your phones with them in different positions to give different viewpoints.

If you want a third party/photographer to take the photos & want the protection of the law, PAY a professional* photogapher.

In the UK as a private individual by commisioning a photographer, under section 85(1) of the CDPA you have the right not to have copies issued, exhibited or broadcast to the public.

QED you have the protection of the law, though as the CDPA comes under civil law it would be a matter for the individual & the courts rather than the Police.

It is also worth noting that there are a considerable number of people calling themselves professional photographers who have never bothered to research the law in relation to their trade & are under the mistaken belief that because they own the copyright they can do what they want with the images they shoot for clients, though the law would be on the client's side & you could sue them, as it would be after the event the damage may have been done.

This applies to all social photography - weddings, portraits, boudoir or intimate shots. If the photographer wants to use images of a client to say promote themselve to find future work they need the express permission of the client.

*by paying a professional you have receipts & a "paper trail" which would be required in the event of court action.

As mentioned by the OP if you accept some kind of reward from the photographer you would have very little protection as it would be seen that you modeled for payment, even if that payment was just the images.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs W&W got offered a grand the other day for a video and photo shoot !!! Not sure how serious the guys was ?

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By *atchbewatchedMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Probably not so much on here, but some photographers do take genuine art photographs and struggle to find models . I know because I am one. My photographs are always tasteful and usually anonymous in the way they are taken. I'd never dream of sharing any picture without permission, but I guess I am probably in the minority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before anyone asks, it wasn’t me.

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