FabSwingers.com forum: Discrimination of bisexuals

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

the topic has been done to death witht he question of "why do women turn down bi men"

im going to post why i think its discrimination

Now i have seen the example of "its a preferance just like some dont like a certian age or color

FALSE

these are preferences based on APPEARANCE a bisexual can look like anyone be any age or colour and have any personality

A reason i have seen a lot and is ACCEPTED has been "because they are _iewed as lesser men, submissive and the women want a 'real' man"

HOW can people accept this and not see it as discrimination

a sexual orientation has NO BEARING on personality yet the presumption is they are camp or submissive?

WHY?

because they suck dick? because they have taken it in the ass? You get plenty of submissive straight guys and dominant females so clearly the "giver" or "receiver" has no bearing on being submissive or not

The choice to not go with bi guys has no bearing on their personality or their looks but on perceptions of what they are like based on sexuality.

Its like saying "i wont sleep with irish people because they arnt intelligent"

Its ridiculous and outdated and i will have a bunch of people jump down my throat for this but its true

Saying no bi men based on sexuality for a 1 on 1 meet with a women is plain discrimination

Come and say "people are entitled to their opinions" and such. Its the BNPs opinion that immigrants are 2nd class citizens

its westboro baptish churchs opinion that gays are abominations and it was hitlers opinion that jews were the cause of all evil and needed to be wiped out

being someones "opinion" does not make it right or acceptable and its about time the bisexual community stood up for itself instead of just "accepting" it

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Well said!! Personally have no issue with as I have a very gorgeous bisexual fb!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a preference, no matter how you try and describe it.

You like same sex fun, we don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a load of badly thought through rubbish. Is there really a Bi sexual community ? We went to a swingers club( we have been members for some time) recently and we were asked if we were bi sexual because it was bi day. Our business we think. Persons who class themselves as bi are heterosexual as well. Does that make them part of the heterosexual community ? We try to put our lives in neat boxes, ad it does not fit .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

actually i've just read it again and it's a bigger load of bollocks than i first thought

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I am a bisexual man and when I see 'no bisexual males' I honestly don't feel discriminated against...

honest, I don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no issues with anyone who is Bisexual, Male or Female or who are gay or straight.. Each to their own

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

each to their own i guess

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?"

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

AS I STATED turning down someone for being bi has no beraing on their looks or personality or sub or dom roles or anything but that fact it "weirds you out"

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

now do I think homophobia exists in the swinging world.... YES

and why wouldn't it.... the site reflects life

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What a load of badly thought through rubbish. Is there really a Bi sexual community ? We went to a swingers club( we have been members for some time) recently and we were asked if we were bi sexual because it was bi day. Our business we think. Persons who class themselves as bi are heterosexual as well. Does that make them part of the heterosexual community ? We try to put our lives in neat boxes, ad it does not fit ."

yes there is a bisexual community its people who are attracted to both males and females. we arnt "also heterosexual" because that means you are only attracted to the opposite sex.

do you honestly believe bi people do not exist?

seriously thats like one of the most ignorant things i have ever read

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been chatting to a bi guy for ages, he's a real sweetie and we have some hilarious conversations but due to work we've both had to cancel two meets we set up , he's a great guy, more polite than alot of straight single males i've come across to be honest. I've also got a few on my friends list too that i regularly speak to, i can't understand some peoples opinions but i guess we all like/dislike certain things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

Bad example.it depends whether you wasn't keen on them cos they're black, you haven't made that clear. If you turned down a black guy on here solely cos he's black are you saying that's discrimination?

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By *uncpl2015Couple
over a year ago

Bridgend Area

"It's a preference, no matter how you try and describe it.

You like same sex fun, we don't"

Exactly.. you cant make people play with bi's .. Each to their own and your post is just there to cause a fight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

AS I STATED turning down someone for being bi has no beraing on their looks or personality or sub or dom roles or anything but that fact it "weirds you out""

Refusing to shag or even meet anyone, regardless of sexual orientation is not discrimination

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

the ONLY reason to turn down a bi person for a 1on1 meet based ont he fact they are bi is soley down to predjuces and pre concieved opinions of what they are like as a person absed on their sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"actually i've just read it again and it's a bigger load of bollocks than i first thought"

The forum is dying a death the last few days. Am actually exhausted reading the post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you're saying that we, as individuals, have no right to express our own preferences for who we spend personal time with?

Would you like to carry that forward one step and extend that same demand to everybody?

Just try walking down the street, going up to somebody that you fancy, and saying "you must have sex with me because you're discriminating against me if you don't!"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's a preference, no matter how you try and describe it.

You like same sex fun, we don't

Exactly.. you cant make people play with bi's .. Each to their own and your post is just there to cause a fight."

sometimes people need to fight for what they believe in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are other preferences which aren't appearance based also.

For some people profession,

personality,

the ability to not call them an "ugly twat" at any point before or after the act!

...are any of these discrimination?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

the ONLY reason to turn down a bi person for a 1on1 meet based ont he fact they are bi is soley down to predjuces and pre concieved opinions of what they are like as a person absed on their sexuality"

Mate, you are so, so wrong and so, so misguided

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So you're saying that we, as individuals, have no right to express our own preferences for who we spend personal time with?

Would you like to carry that forward one step and extend that same demand to everybody?

Just try walking down the street, going up to somebody that you fancy, and saying "you must have sex with me because you're discriminating against me if you don't!"

not havign sex because the person isnt attractive or you dont like their personality or such is fine but based on something that has no bearing on either of them is rubbish. I can flip it on tis head and say once again so its cool for me to hate blacks based on my preference and i have a right to express a hatred of black people for being black?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok i like u to try and find fault with my reasoning (good luck) i do not wish to play with bi men because i am so much less interested in cock and girls bits. i have no wish to see my partner with another male in fact the idea is a completely turn off. we meet girls mainly for my fun another male would be useless to my sexual desires so how exactly and i being discrinative unless its against all males ??????????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a preference, no matter how you try and describe it.

You like same sex fun, we don't

Exactly.. you cant make people play with bi's .. Each to their own and your post is just there to cause a fight.

sometimes people need to fight for what they believe in"

Yeah, a gay bloke would have to fight me, and beat me to get into my drawers

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"ok i like u to try and find fault with my reasoning (good luck) i do not wish to play with bi men because i am so much less interested in cock and girls bits. i have no wish to see my partner with another male in fact the idea is a completely turn off. we meet girls mainly for my fun another male would be useless to my sexual desires so how exactly and i being discrinative unless its against all males ??????????"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

So the only thing we should base meets on is appearance? There's no other defining factors other than what people look like?

We wouldn't meet anyone with a pic wearing an arsenal shirt. If we're discriminating against Gooners because of their lifestyle choices so be it.

Someone turn you down did they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes there is a bisexual community its people who are attracted to both males and females. we arnt "also heterosexual" because that means you are only attracted to the opposite sex.

do you honestly believe bi people do not exist?

seriously thats like one of the most ignorant things i have ever read"

Didn't say bi sexuals don't exist. It's the issue of bi community that's confusing. Read what we said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a bi man doesnt need to play with your partner what because im bi i need to have sex with every man at every meet? that vast majority of our meets me and the other guy havnt touched each other at all how would a bi guy in this regard be any different from a straight guy?"
no this was my point i don't play with males full stop be they bi or otherwise but hey if u want to run round jumping on excuses u go rite ahead the threads big enough for u to scream and throw toys out of your pram cause u feel hard done by

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

the ONLY reason to turn down a bi person for a 1on1 meet based ont he fact they are bi is soley down to predjuces and pre concieved opinions of what they are like as a person absed on their sexuality

So the only thing we should base meets on is appearance? There's no other defining factors other than what people look like?

We wouldn't meet anyone with a pic wearing an arsenal shirt. If we're discriminating against Gooners because of their lifestyle choices so be it.

Someone turn you down did they?"

actually no one has turned me down im posting this based on other similar forums posts and attitudes towards bisexuals in general.

Appearance or personality i would say are fair things to judge people you meet on, and bisexuality has no bearing on either. And saying you wouldnt meet an arsenal fan for being an arsenal fan that just takes the biscuit you seem like your very close minded.

Im a rangers fan but i would never say no to a celtic fan absed on them being a celtic fan

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

a bi man doesnt need to play with your partner what because im bi i need to have sex with every man at every meet? that vast majority of our meets me and the other guy havnt touched each other at all how would a bi guy in this regard be any different from a straight guy?no this was my point i don't play with males full stop be they bi or otherwise but hey if u want to run round jumping on excuses u go rite ahead the threads big enough for u to scream and throw toys out of your pram cause u feel hard done by "

if as acouple you dont play with males at all i dont see why your arguing this point the point im making is people who will play with straight guys but refuse bi guys based on nothing more than they are bi even if theya re not proposing any play between the men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a bi man doesnt need to play with your partner what because im bi i need to have sex with every man at every meet? that vast majority of our meets me and the other guy havnt touched each other at all how would a bi guy in this regard be any different from a straight guy?"
and just to be completely clear its the cock bit thats the issue for me not what he does with it with others that is completely up to the person. its fact he has one bi or otherwise that would make me discriminate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hat's your opinion and you're entitled to it. What you're NOT entitled to is everyone to agree with it. Using the race card and mentioning the BNP and Hitler seems to say 'this is my opinion and if you don't agree with it you're as bad as the above mentioned'

It gets more like Facebook on here everyday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Neither of us have a issue with bi or straight males but from our point of _iew we can't believe a personal preference is discrimination, would you say because I prefer dark haired people that I'm discriminating against blondes? People have different preferences its a fact of life !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

yes there is a bisexual community its people who are attracted to both males and females. we arnt "also heterosexual" because that means you are only attracted to the opposite sex.

do you honestly believe bi people do not exist?

seriously thats like one of the most ignorant things i have ever read

Didn't say bi sexuals don't exist. It's the issue of bi community that's confusing. Read what we said.

the bi community exists you can find them in many places they tend not to be as open as gay or lesbian communitys as they face discrimination from both homosexuals and heterosexuals

sites such as http://www.biresource.net/

and others you can find a bi community

and topics such as http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/03/new-report-highlights-discrimination-against-bisexuals-by-both-gays-and-straights/

which highlights the type of thing im talking about perhaps more eliquintly

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

to be fair... a lot of bisexuals refuse to meet bisexuals because they don't state bisexual... so if discrimination happens, they do it to their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh it's a crusade

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"to be fair... a lot of bisexuals refuse to meet bisexuals because they don't state bisexual... so if discrimination happens, they do it to their own."

many people have their reasons for being in the closet about being bi. Alot of bi men say they are straight here for example because women will refuse to meet bi guys

its sad but true that sometimes bi people will discriminate against other bi people but your exmaple shows they do it for fear of being discriminated themselfs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

the ONLY reason to turn down a bi person for a 1on1 meet based ont he fact they are bi is soley down to predjuces and pre concieved opinions of what they are like as a person absed on their sexuality

So the only thing we should base meets on is appearance? There's no other defining factors other than what people look like?

We wouldn't meet anyone with a pic wearing an arsenal shirt. If we're discriminating against Gooners because of their lifestyle choices so be it.

Someone turn you down did they?

actually no one has turned me down im posting this based on other similar forums posts and attitudes towards bisexuals in general.

Im a rangers fan but i would never say no to a celtic fan absed on them being a celtic fan "

Being bisexual IS a part of your personality and who you are.

Not saying it necessarily changes how you act or behave with other people, but some people find it a turn of, and also I imagine they may think a greater risk STD wise.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"to be fair... a lot of bisexuals refuse to meet bisexuals because they don't state bisexual... so if discrimination happens, they do it to their own.

many people have their reasons for being in the closet about being bi. Alot of bi men say they are straight here for example because women will refuse to meet bi guys

its sad but true that sometimes bi people will discriminate against other bi people but your exmaple shows they do it for fear of being discriminated themselfs."

no... it is preference then, they choose not to meet them as they see them as dishonest

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

the ONLY reason to turn down a bi person for a 1on1 meet based ont he fact they are bi is soley down to predjuces and pre concieved opinions of what they are like as a person absed on their sexuality

So the only thing we should base meets on is appearance? There's no other defining factors other than what people look like?

We wouldn't meet anyone with a pic wearing an arsenal shirt. If we're discriminating against Gooners because of their lifestyle choices so be it.

Someone turn you down did they?

actually no one has turned me down im posting this based on other similar forums posts and attitudes towards bisexuals in general.

Im a rangers fan but i would never say no to a celtic fan absed on them being a celtic fan

Being bisexual IS a part of your personality and who you are.

Not saying it necessarily changes how you act or behave with other people, but some people find it a turn of, and also I imagine they may think a greater risk STD wise."

there is not proof of bisexuals having a higher std rate and in our experiance straight guys or straight guys in couples usually are more prone to try "stealthing" or bareback and most bi or gay men are more into safe sex and bring their own condoms

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I can't think of much worse than having a sexual meet with someone who is straight and uncomfortable with bi sexuals... I would hate it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I can't think of much worse than having a sexual meet with someone who is straight and uncomfortable with bi sexuals... I would hate it."

if the bisexual is goign to play straight, as i have on many occasion, why should they be uncomfortable thats my point

just because im bi does not mean i fancy or want anything to do with the man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

each to thier own and all that but for f@?: sake thought this was a swinging site to meet other swingrs and talk to your friends not the jeremy kyle show but still makes good reading lol.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I can't think of much worse than having a sexual meet with someone who is straight and uncomfortable with bi sexuals... I would hate it.

if the bisexual is goign to play straight, as i have on many occasion, why should they be uncomfortable thats my point

just because im bi does not mean i fancy or want anything to do with the man "

but that is YOUR comfort, not theirs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the bi community exists you can find them in many places they tend not to be as open as gay or lesbian communitys as they face discrimination from both homosexuals and heterosexuals

sites such as http://www.biresource.net/

and others you can find a bi community

and topics such as http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/03/new-report-highlights-discrimination-against-bisexuals-by-both-gays-and-straights/

which highlights the type of thing im talking about perhaps more eliquintly "

So where is this "bi community"???? You can't example it with websites that simply discuss discrimination!

I am openly bi, and have been for years - so is my girlfriend.

We'd love to visit this "bi community" that you go on about!

And please don't say that "you can find it in a club in the village in Manchester" - I mean where exactly is it in the open society in this country?

I would never mind anyone turning me down because I'm bi - that's their choice and I feel that it's an important part of social interaction that they have that choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP, look up the definitions of discrimination and preference and see if you can work out why you are so very, very wrong...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"actually i've just read it again and it's a bigger load of bollocks than i first thought"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what happens if a man tells me he enjoys having sex with children as young as 12 when he is in a country where this is the legal age of consent. Am I allowed to turn him down as I find this abhorrent or do I still have to fuck him as this has nothing to do with his appearance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am bi and find the original post ridiculous if people are not keen on meeting me then i accept it as personal choices.

I do not meet single guys even tho bi as prefer the mf side of life this does not mean i am anti single guy just what i prefer its that simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

the ONLY reason to turn down a bi person for a 1on1 meet based ont he fact they are bi is soley down to predjuces and pre concieved opinions of what they are like as a person absed on their sexuality

So the only thing we should base meets on is appearance? There's no other defining factors other than what people look like?

We wouldn't meet anyone with a pic wearing an arsenal shirt. If we're discriminating against Gooners because of their lifestyle choices so be it.

Someone turn you down did they?

actually no one has turned me down im posting this based on other similar forums posts and attitudes towards bisexuals in general.

Im a rangers fan but i would never say no to a celtic fan absed on them being a celtic fan

Being bisexual IS a part of your personality and who you are.

Not saying it necessarily changes how you act or behave with other people, but some people find it a turn of, and also I imagine they may think a greater risk STD wise.

You've missed the whole point of my comment, and targetted the very small throw away point at the end...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"actually i've just read it again and it's a bigger load of bollocks than i first thought

The forum is dying a death the last few days. Am actually exhausted reading the post"

Have a beer n chill on my lap a while

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im a rangers fan but i would never say no to a celtic fan absed on them being a celtic fan "

I actually have no Celtic fans on my profile lol but back to the post I meet bi guys but in a group situation only. All my fb are straight guys. And not because I picked it that way but just I've never met a bi guy that does it for me

However I couldn't ever see a bi guy as dominant and while I dont want dominating I do like dominant guys. And as yet no bi guy has shown my thought process to be wrong.

But I don't not meet them because they are bi

Cali

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm 'orally bisexual' if I can use that adjective, I read peoples profiles and try not to make contact with those that say 'no bi-guys'. I'm perfectly straight acting and looking, not the slightest bit camp, not submissive and don't fancy men in the street and am upfront about it. I don't feel discriminated against though because some people like bi guys.

I like me anyway.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

a bi man doesnt need to play with your partner what because im bi i need to have sex with every man at every meet? that vast majority of our meets me and the other guy havnt touched each other at all how would a bi guy in this regard be any different from a straight guy?no this was my point i don't play with males full stop be they bi or otherwise but hey if u want to run round jumping on excuses u go rite ahead the threads big enough for u to scream and throw toys out of your pram cause u feel hard done by

Maybe it's because they don't want to be wandering the whole time if the guy is checking out their hubby while they are having fun with the fem??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like me anyway.

ahhhhh..we like you too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We ALL discriminate ... it's called choice. As long as you respect each other's point of _iew and are prepared to move on gracefully then all's good xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a load of rubbish . I've met both bi guys and straight guys. My preference is straight though.

Everyone has a right to choose who they have sex with, and not choosing bi is not discriminating at all.

It's no different to not choosing Asian, black, white, single males, couples, fat, thin etc.

Everyone on this site has the freedom to decide who they meet and when, and at no time have I ever read someone's profile and thought that it was discriminating against me or anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We ALL discriminate ... it's called choice. As long as you respect each other's point of _iew and are prepared to move on gracefully then all's good xx"

Choice you might make quietly and without offence to another person.

Being discriminatory is more about vocalising deliberately to incite based on unfound and flaky reasoning.

Discrimination is just that regardless of how you wish to tart it up and disguise it, and it has a limited future.

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Im a rangers fan but i would never say no to a celtic fan absed on them being a celtic fan

However I couldn't ever see a bi guy as dominant and while I dont want dominating I do like dominant guys. And as yet no bi guy has shown my thought process to be wrong.

But I don't not meet them because they are bi

Cali

aint met me then im a relativly dominant "alpha" guy by nature

your point is fair enough though you dont midn bi guys just havnt met any that do it for you but i presume if you did meet on that was dominant or "did" it for you you wouldnt treat them diff from a straight guy?

also WATP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,"

Yep against the taxman! We Avoid Tax Payments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

Yep against the taxman! We Avoid Tax Payments"

no,it wasn't that

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By *erebothbiCouple
over a year ago

howden

As a bi couple we much prefer people to be honest about their preferences as we dont want to meet straight people.

We have nothing against all you straight types your just not for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a bi couple we much prefer people to be honest about their preferences as we dont want to meet straight people.

We have nothing against all you straight types your just not for us

and that's it..In.A.Nutshell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trace is bi, she loves having sex with women and has had a relationship with a woman.

Therefore we only meet bi women but that doesn't mean she feels hard done by because some straight women would not meet her.

Life goes on and there are many more pebbles on the beach.

Why is it always bi males who start these bleating threads and never bi women?

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,"

how would that be discriminatory its not a sectarian or discriminatory phrase. Just being silly now amy is a celtic fan for christ sake!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Trace is bi, she loves having sex with women and has had a relationship with a woman.

Therefore we only meet bi women but that doesn't mean she feels hard done by because some straight women would not meet her.

Life goes on and there are many more pebbles on the beach.

Why is it always bi males who start these bleating threads and never bi women?

XXXX"

bi women tend to be more accepted than bi men

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Are we going to get sued for discrimination now if we dont invite bisexual men into our bed ?

Its personal preference like everything else on this site, it would be a lot better if everyone would stop getting so angry and upset about who chooses to meet who and for what reason.

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

I read only the first post (have not read any of the responses) and will simply say this. As far as the "unfairness to bi guys" issue, I have 2 thoughts:

Different people have different reasons why, I don't believe it is ONLY to do with the "submissive" argument (I won't go into any of the several examples I've heard!)

1) Who people meet irrespective of what group the person or people fall into is based on choice.

If someone said they don't meet (any of the below):

Guys / single male profile / straight / under 5'9" / Over 30 or under 35 / black / "a certain build" (whatever that is ... am not a 6'4" rugby type nor do I have a "uniform") / from London.

I would see that as their choice. To me, that eliminates me on so many levels but it is the person's choice and I cannot question it.

2) To however not meet someone based purely and only on a dislike of the group the person "is perceived as falling into" is a tricky line to walk.

Example: I was once told "I don't meet black guys". Fair enough.

Was then told "I don't meet black guys because I had a bad meet with one in the past", so I asked "And how many bad meets have you had with white guys?" - the answer was "3", but it did not stop the person meeting white guys. Weird eh?

Or: "I don't meet single males" - choice. "... because single males are unreliable and never turn up to meets: 3 have not turned up in the last 6 months", so I ask "And how many couples have let you down in the last 6 months?" - "Oh,.. 8! But that's different".

It kind of makes a mockery of things.

The second thing - its not only b guys that get a hard time being "discriminated" against:

i) bbw's - I know several people (and clubs) that are proud of their "beautiful people only" position -however its their choice.

ii) single guys - for some reason a lot of "couples" have a "single guys bring nothing to the table" idea, but are happy to meet the same guy they've turned down once they clock a lady he's had regular meets with in the hope he can introduce them. Respect begets respect. I even know of a (paid) site that charges single guys more to use the site ... but they're not welcome to the site social. Odd.

iii) Believe it or not someone suggested to me that I was not a "real man" because my "size" was not double digits. Do you see me yelling am being discriminated against? Nope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

how would that be discriminatory its not a sectarian or discriminatory phrase. Just being silly now amy is a celtic fan for christ sake!"

ok..talk us through it. what does it mean.

on the terraces of ibrox I mean

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I also like you used the Hitler clause, way to win any argument right there

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"I've been chatting to a bi guy for ages, he's a real sweetie and we have some hilarious conversations but due to work we've both had to cancel two meets we set up , he's a great guy, more polite than alot of straight single males i've come across to be honest. I've also got a few on my friends list too that i regularly speak to, i can't understand some peoples opinions but i guess we all like/dislike certain things."

Here's the real question though - do you credit his being a nicer guy than some of the straight guys you know to him being bi? Or to him being a nicer human being full stop?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

how would that be discriminatory its not a sectarian or discriminatory phrase. Just being silly now amy is a celtic fan for christ sake!

ok..talk us through it. what does it mean.

on the terraces of ibrox I mean"

it was a chant origionally started by the govan shipyard workers in protests to their cuts / being shut down, the majority of whom supported the govan team in rangers, so the chant took to the terraces of ibrox as well and is continued since.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I read only the first post (have not read any of the responses) and will simply say this. As far as the "unfairness to bi guys" issue, I have 2 thoughts:

Different people have different reasons why, I don't believe it is ONLY to do with the "submissive" argument (I won't go into any of the several examples I've heard!)

1) Who people meet irrespective of what group the person or people fall into is based on choice.

If someone said they don't meet (any of the below):

Guys / single male profile / straight / under 5'9" / Over 30 or under 35 / black / "a certain build" (whatever that is ... am not a 6'4" rugby type nor do I have a "uniform") / from London.

I would see that as their choice. To me, that eliminates me on so many levels but it is the person's choice and I cannot question it.

2) To however not meet someone based purely and only on a dislike of the group the person "is perceived as falling into" is a tricky line to walk.

Example: I was once told "I don't meet black guys". Fair enough.

It kind of makes a mockery of things.

The second thing - its not only b guys that get a hard time being "discriminated" against:

i) bbw's - I know several people (and clubs) that are proud of their "beautiful people only" position -however its their choice.

iii) Believe it or not someone suggested to me that I was not a "real man" because my "size" was not double digits. Do you see me yelling am being discriminated against? Nope."

a reasonable response from someone on the other side of the argument who doesnt shout me down or say im an idiot just "because"

you seem to get what im trying to get at

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By *eathersnlustCouple
over a year ago

stoke

sex can be a very complicated .The vast amount of people on here are looking for what they are comfy with. However how many cpls actualy talk with others openly with what they are into Bi or not !

How many people expect others , to just do it. Its a Good question we think.

LNL X

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I like me anyway.

ahhhhh..we like you too

Yummers! Fabbed one

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"So you're saying that we, as individuals, have no right to express our own preferences for who we spend personal time with?

Would you like to carry that forward one step and extend that same demand to everybody?

Just try walking down the street, going up to somebody that you fancy, and saying "you must have sex with me because you're discriminating against me if you don't!"

Thinking about it now - and reading the OP's post, I am offended and feel discriminated against that they don't meet single guys!

Is it because we (the single guy community) are deemed to:

1) Not bring anything to the table

2) Out for a free shag

3) Might break up the couple and steal the woman for ourselves

4) Wipe our dick on the curtain when done

5) Not pay for the hotel - after all, "we" should be grateful we've been invited!

I feel so discriminated against! Personal choice is sooo over-rated and should be eliminated!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

how would that be discriminatory its not a sectarian or discriminatory phrase. Just being silly now amy is a celtic fan for christ sake!

ok..talk us through it. what does it mean.

on the terraces of ibrox I mean

so there's no mention of (and before you answer this I used to live in Auchterarder and I've been to Ibrox) Fenian blood?

sounds like discrimination to me.

A bit like Hitler and the BNP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read the first half a dozen lines or so then decided, "Tosh" and couldn't be arsed to read any further

Some people like bi's and some don't. It's not discrimination it's people exercising their right to free choice.

I don't like sea food because I think it smells rank, therefore I don't eat it. Does that mean I'm discriminating against seafood ?

It's a funny old world

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

how would that be discriminatory its not a sectarian or discriminatory phrase. Just being silly now amy is a celtic fan for christ sake!

ok..talk us through it. what does it mean.

on the terraces of ibrox I mean

so there's no mention of (and before you answer this I used to live in Auchterarder and I've been to Ibrox) Fenian blood?

sounds like discrimination to me.

A bit like Hitler and the BNP"

the chant goes

"we are the people"

clap clap clap clap clap

where did i make any mention to "fenian blood"? at all? there is none and the song "billy boys" hasnt been sung at ibrox for years and good riddance to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

how would that be discriminatory its not a sectarian or discriminatory phrase. Just being silly now amy is a celtic fan for christ sake!

ok..talk us through it. what does it mean.

on the terraces of ibrox I mean

so there's no mention of (and before you answer this I used to live in Auchterarder and I've been to Ibrox) Fenian blood?

sounds like discrimination to me.

A bit like Hitler and the BNP

the chant goes

"we are the people"

clap clap clap clap clap

where did i make any mention to "fenian blood"? at all? there is none and the song "billy boys" hasnt been sung at ibrox for years and good riddance to it"

I never claimed you mentioned it. i've been to Ibrox in the 80'sand i've heard it. It;s a discriminatory song and foir you to quote it after whinging about so called discrimination blows your argument out of the water, it's hypocrisy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

by the way,,Rangers have to make an announcement before games to tell the fans not to sing billy boys, UEFA warned em

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

also WATP

Isn't that discriminatory?

yes.

yes it is,

how would that be discriminatory its not a sectarian or discriminatory phrase. Just being silly now amy is a celtic fan for christ sake!

ok..talk us through it. what does it mean.

on the terraces of ibrox I mean

so there's no mention of (and before you answer this I used to live in Auchterarder and I've been to Ibrox) Fenian blood?

sounds like discrimination to me.

A bit like Hitler and the BNP

the chant goes

"we are the people"

clap clap clap clap clap

where did i make any mention to "fenian blood"? at all? there is none and the song "billy boys" hasnt been sung at ibrox for years and good riddance to it

but i dont sign it, never have and never have believed in it because im a supporter of a football team does not make me a supporter of alot of sectarian right wing dogma garbage that comes with it. My closest friend is a celtic supporter as is my girlfriend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes there is a bisexual community its people who are attracted to both males and females. we arnt "also heterosexual" because that means you are only attracted to the opposite sex.

do you honestly believe bi people do not exist?

seriously thats like one of the most ignorant things i have ever read

Didn't say bi sexuals don't exist. It's the issue of bi community that's confusing. Read what we said.

the bi community exists you can find them in many places they tend not to be as open as gay or lesbian communitys as they face discrimination from both homosexuals and heterosexuals

sites such as http://www.biresource.net/

and others you can find a bi community

and topics such as http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/03/new-report-highlights-discrimination-against-bisexuals-by-both-gays-and-straights/

which highlights the type of thing im talking about perhaps more eliquintly "

A forum or Internet site does not make a community.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

yes there is a bisexual community its people who are attracted to both males and females. we arnt "also heterosexual" because that means you are only attracted to the opposite sex.

do you honestly believe bi people do not exist?

seriously thats like one of the most ignorant things i have ever read

Didn't say bi sexuals don't exist. It's the issue of bi community that's confusing. Read what we said.

the bi community exists you can find them in many places they tend not to be as open as gay or lesbian communitys as they face discrimination from both homosexuals and heterosexuals

sites such as http://www.biresource.net/

and others you can find a bi community

and topics such as http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/03/new-report-highlights-discrimination-against-bisexuals-by-both-gays-and-straights/

which highlights the type of thing im talking about perhaps more eliquintly

A forum or Internet site does not make a community. "

ok do you want me to find every forum or internet site or bi activists that exist both internet and real life before you believe me? google is your friend

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By *eathersnlustCouple
over a year ago

stoke

wots a fenian ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

We prefer to not respond to as we see it certain banal one liner's usually in the main from 'single' guys..

text speak, 'let me sort her out for you'.. etc etc

we have had bi curious and bi singles and couples say no ty, and have also done the same..

the same with 'str8' people..

we dont class it as discrimination either way..

it's choice and not something we lose sleep over tbh..

would be deeply offended to be told by anyone that we are discriminatory in any way shape or form because of our choices..

have spent most of my adult life actively opposing discrimination which itself is a damaging and demeaning aspect of life that folk have to put up with..

claiming that people's preferences are discrination is neither correct nor appropriate as regards the term...

its choice, no more and no less..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I must say I have only read half way down this thread but I do understand where the OP is coming from and some others are arguing their point against and totally missing the OP's point.

Take a black guy and a white guy and you may choose one over the other based on not liking either blacks or whites, thats a personal preference.

Not wanting to meet dark haired guys is a preference, or ugly guys in general all comes down to not finding something visual as attractive so you dont want to meet them and thats totally understandable, but nothing singles out a guy as being bi by simply looking at them.

I think people are worried a bi guy may clamp his gnashers on a womans hubbys cock during play or give them a quick rimming while he bends down to take his socks off or something

or they may think bi guys are unclean but dont wish to say so.

No matter what it is, if a bi guy said he was straight then a woman or couple would have no idea what so ever that he was bi while they were all shagging but as soon as the guy says hes bi then its all "shit grab your steel undies" screaming get away from me you unclean filthy bastard

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"wots a fenian ?"

The Northern Irish and some parts of Scotland are obsessed with "heritage" fenian is a discrimatory word to describe someone who believes in an "Irish" republic, quite why the scots are so involved in NI politics I have no idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't think of much worse than having a sexual meet with someone who is straight and uncomfortable with bi sexuals... I would hate it."

I have no issue with Bi...whether male or female...but my FB is uncomfortable around Bi Men as he has in the past had one or two attempt to grope him and his natural reaction (rightly or wrongly) is to lash out. That may be unfair of him as there have only been a couple of instances, but why put him in an uncomfortable position and invite someone to play who would have to restrain part of their personality in order for us all to play? Surely it would be more fun for a Bi Male to play where they can be Bi and not have to pretend to be Straight?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I can't think of much worse than having a sexual meet with someone who is straight and uncomfortable with bi sexuals... I would hate it.

I have no issue with Bi...whether male or female...but my FB is uncomfortable around Bi Men as he has in the past had one or two attempt to grope him and his natural reaction (rightly or

wrongly) is to lash out. That may be

unfair of him as there have only been a

couple of instances, but why put him in

an uncomfortable position and invite

someone to play who would have to

restrain part of their personality in order

for us all to play? Surely it would be

more fun for a Bi Male to play where

they can be Bi and not have to pretend

to be Straight?"

Pity the bi guy thought he could get away with having a sneaky grope! My profile says I abide by all groundrules and if I was only playing with the lady and that was the expectation I wouldn't touch the guy even 'accidentally' if it was a 3sum. Hmmmm not my bestbpoat but I'm finishing some rather strong real ale and my my it dose themtrick yummy or what

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"wots a fenian ?

tribalism..

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By *eathersnlustCouple
over a year ago

stoke

leathers knows alot about it, he was there in 83-84 !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only wish my hubby was bi

love bi men poor me.lol x

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

tribalism.."

As if its a shock, this is a poster who in his first post on the thread decided it was discrimination to not meet bisexual men for sex, THEN equated it to being a member of the BNP THEN used the Hitler argument.

Come on guys, your giving this a lot more credence than it deserves if you actually read that first post, its a load of gumphf.

People can meet who they want to, its a sex site you might pay to use it but you dont have any right to decide who meets who, just as the OP does not accept single men others choose not to accept bi men. Birds still fly, the waves still crash against the sand and the earth still spins.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trace is bi, she loves having sex with women and has had a relationship with a woman.

Therefore we only meet bi women but that doesn't mean she feels hard done by because some straight women would not meet her.

Life goes on and there are many more pebbles on the beach.

Why is it always bi males who start these bleating threads and never bi women?

XXXX

bi women tend to be more accepted than bi men"

But when some profiles say they don't want to meet bi women, we just move onto one that does and we'd do the same whether bi women were more accepted or not.

We can never understand why some bi males are so hell bent (no pun intended) on meeting with people who don't want to meet them, its as if they're trying to force people to accept them.

The forums have proved there are many bi male friendly women/couples, why not just give yourself peace and meet with them?

XXXX

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Time to say bi, methinks. *gone*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a fundamental lack of understanding of the difference between choice and discrimination in certain posts on this thread.

People can choose whom they want to have sex with based on whatever factors they like and shouldn't be expected to justify it.

Discrimination is about disadvantaging someone based on their skin colour, religion, sexuality, gender, age, etc.

Denying someone a job, or the same right to education, or the right to vote, are examples of disadvantaging someone.

Refusing to shag someone is NOT disadvantaging them! People have a right to choose who they sleep with, and they don't have to justify their choice. They can even base their decisions on gut feeling, or incorrect or unsubstantiated beliefs.

Sex isn't a right or a necessity, however much some people would like it to be.

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"Trace is bi, she loves having sex with women and has had a relationship with a woman.

Therefore we only meet bi women but that doesn't mean she feels hard done by because some straight women would not meet her.

Life goes on and there are many more pebbles on the beach.

Why is it always bi males who start these bleating threads and never bi women?

XXXX

bi women tend to be more accepted than bi men

But when some profiles say they don't want to meet bi women, we just move onto one that does and we'd do the same whether bi women were more accepted or not.

We can never understand why some bi males are so hell bent (no pun intended) on meeting with people who don't want to meet them, its as if they're trying to force people to accept them.

The forums have proved there are many bi male friendly women/couples, why not just give yourself peace and meet with them?

XXXX"

To me it sounds like some people having a hard (no pun intended) time accepting rejection. for me its simple - the more people I know that don't want me helps save time and narrowing my searches to the ones that do. Win win!

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"There's a fundamental lack of understanding of the difference between choice and discrimination in certain posts on this thread.

People can choose whom they want to have sex with based on whatever factors they like and shouldn't be expected to justify it.

Discrimination is about disadvantaging someone based on their skin colour, religion, sexuality, gender, age, etc.

Denying someone a job, or the same right to education, or the right to vote, are examples of disadvantaging someone.

Sex isn't a right or a necessity, however much some people would like it to be."

Exactly!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually think that pathetic whining that someone not wanting to shag someone else is discrimination is really, really disrespectful to people who have genuinely experienced and suffered from discrimination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I actually think that pathetic whining that someone not wanting to shag someone else is discrimination is really, really disrespectful to people who have genuinely experienced and suffered from discrimination."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have never heard such a load of old crap in my lfe.

I am bisexual, but I choose not meet bisexual guys because they may had their cock up another guys arse and then expect me to put it in my mouth!!!!! If thats discrimination then hard luck!!!!

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I have never heard such a load of old crap in my lfe.

I am bisexual, but I choose not meet bisexual guys because they may had their cock up another guys arse and then expect me to put it in my mouth!!!!! If thats discrimination then hard luck!!!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I have never heard such a load of old crap in my lfe.

I am bisexual, but I choose not meet bisexual guys because they may had their cock up another guys arse and then expect me to put it in my mouth!!!!! If thats discrimination then hard luck!!!!

absolutely respect you right to choose whatever but whats the difference between a str8 guy up the arse of a woman or what you mention?

if both are being safe then no risks..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have never heard such a load of old crap in my lfe.

I am bisexual, but I choose not meet bisexual guys because they may had their cock up another guys arse and then expect me to put it in my mouth!!!!! If thats discrimination then hard luck!!!!

One would hope they'd wash it in between

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bi we are off this topic x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think what the op means is if a guy didn't put bi you would be happy to meet but because he puts 2 letters b and I he is classed as dirty and has aids HIV what difference is there between him and a non bi man ? If you meet a man why not him ? Forget preference it is because of the stigma of gay men if he didn't put bi you would be non the wiser

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

absolutely respect you right to choose whatever but whats the difference between a str8 guy up the arse of a woman or what you mention?

if both are being safe then no risks..?"

Lady poo smells of roses, Bi male poo smells of shit

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I must say I have only read half way down this thread but I do understand where the OP is coming from and some others are arguing their point against and totally missing the OP's point.

Take a black guy and a white guy and you may choose one over the other based on not liking either blacks or whites, thats a personal preference.

I think people are worried a bi guy may clamp his gnashers on a womans hubbys cock during play or give them a quick rimming while he bends down to take his socks off or something

or they may think bi guys are unclean but dont wish to say so.

this is exactly my point thank you for not missing it entirely like others have!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I must say I have only read half way down this thread but I do understand where the OP is coming from and some others are arguing their point against and totally missing the OP's point.

Take a black guy and a white guy and you may choose one over the other based on not liking either blacks or whites, thats a personal preference.

I think people are worried a bi guy may clamp his gnashers on a womans hubbys cock during play or give them a quick rimming while he bends down to take his socks off or something

or they may think bi guys are unclean but dont wish to say so.

this is exactly my point thank you for not missing it entirely like others have!"

Some chose to miss it to start a fight just ignore them most have lesbian wives and small cocks

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"I think what the op means is if a guy didn't put bi you would be happy to meet but because he puts 2 letters b and I he is classed as dirty and has aids HIV what difference is there between him and a non bi man ? If you meet a man why not him ? Forget preference it is because of the stigma of gay men if he didn't put bi you would be non the wiser"

Actually.. when I think about it (in defense of bi guys).. and hear me out on this (in context of contracting an sti and bi-meets):

If two bi guys meet. Or two bi girls meet. Which scenario of the two are (statistically) condoms/protection more likely to be used?

I know.. devil's advocate but I can't help it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually.. when I think about it (in defense of bi guys).. and hear me out on this (in context of contracting an sti and bi-meets):

If two bi guys meet. Or two bi girls meet. Which scenario of the two are (statistically) condoms/protection more likely to be used?

I know.. devil's advocate but I can't help it

So would you give a woman with aids oral with a split lip ? Sorry pal anyone can be full of disease In 2010, an estimated 91,500 people were living with HIV in the UK. Of these, around a quarter were unaware of their HIV infection.

The overall proportion of people living with HIV in the UK is estimated to be 0.15%, or 1 in 650. The proportion of men living with HIV in the UK is estimated to be 0.20%, or 1 in 500, while the proportion of women living with HIV in the UK is estimated to be 0.09%, or 1 in 1000.

This information is based on the Health Protection Agency’s calculations for 2010 as seen in their HIV in the United Kingdom: 2011 Report.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, there are far too many guys on here who claim in theie profiles that they are Straight, but when you check out their profiles they are wanting to meet TV/TS!!!!!!

Delete & Block

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter. If the idea of having sex with a man who has been with another man puts someone off then it's their right to choose not to.

It doesn't matter whether it's because they think he is more likely to be diseased or for any other reason, they are entitled to choose. And to make an informed choice.

It's only your belief that it's to do with risk anyway. There are lots of other possible reasons.

People have a right to choose and others should be honest in order to allow that.

People have a right not to meet married men. If a married man lies then nobody will be any the wiser. Does it make it ok for him to lie to avoid the stigma of being a cheater and get meets?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Actually.. when I think about it (in defense of bi guys).. and hear me out on this (in context of contracting an sti and bi-meets):

If two bi guys meet. Or two bi girls meet. Which scenario of the two are (statistically) condoms/protection more likely to be used?

I know.. devil's advocate but I can't help it

This information is based on the Health Protection Agency’s calculations for 2010 as seen in their HIV in the United Kingdom: 2011 Report."

alot of men get it through sharing of needles through heroin use and statistically there are alot more male than female "users" so you cant contribute it down just to the gay community :P

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Now where did the lesbian wives and small cocks come from... How does that help any alleged discrimination....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so if someone turns someone down it's discrimination and not personal preference?

if i turned down a black guy for a job cos i wasnt keen on them is that discrimination or personal preferance?

no because some people arnt into the appearance of black people

do you not like the appearance of bi people? do we have a certian look?

do we have a certian personality?

the ONLY reason to turn down a bi person for a 1on1 meet based ont he fact they are bi is soley down to predjuces and pre concieved opinions of what they are like as a person absed on their sexuality

So the only thing we should base meets on is appearance? There's no other defining factors other than what people look like?

We wouldn't meet anyone with a pic wearing an arsenal shirt. If we're discriminating against Gooners because of their lifestyle choices so be it.

Someone turn you down did they?

actually no one has turned me down im posting this based on other similar forums posts and attitudes towards bisexuals in general.

Im a rangers fan but i would never say no to a celtic fan absed on them being a celtic fan

Being bisexual IS a part of your personality and who you are.

Not saying it necessarily changes how you act or behave with other people, but some people find it a turn of, and also I imagine they may think a greater risk STD wise."

And here is an example of what the op is getting at.. Cos someone is bi they must not pratice safe sex?? Why are bi men labelled as barebackers when we all know plenty of straight guys bareback too!

The point is if u refuse someone cos of colour, age, or anything to do with appearance then that is a personal approach towards attraction.

But who can give an example of turning down a bi guy as a persoanl prefenence that isn't based on sterotyping? Such as bi guys must be more at risk of sti's, where is the proof in that? Or that a bi guy will want to play with a male and isn't just as happy playing with just a female or a male at a meet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never had a problem with meeting bi men and I enjoy watching 2 men together and being involved.

I have to say though, this entitled, drama queen bollocks is starting to put me right off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter. If the idea of having sex with a man who has been with another man puts someone off then it's their right to choose not to.

It doesn't matter whether it's because they think he is more likely to be diseased or for any other reason, they are entitled to choose. And to make an informed choice.

It's only your belief that it's to do with risk anyway. There are lots of other possible reasons.

People have a right to choose and others should be honest in order to allow that.

People have a right not to meet married men. If a married man lies then nobody will be any the wiser. Does it make it ok for him to lie to avoid the stigma of being a cheater and get meets?"

And your point is ?

You just confirmed what I said its a choice not to meet bi men do you meet bi men ?

If your fella sucked a dick once would you leave him because he's bi haha stop arguing she's right you just don't like it because of what you think about him if you don't know it's ok

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Bi guys/Gay guys are members of a higher risk group... They are not the only higher risk group...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually.. when I think about it (in defense of bi guys).. and hear me out on this (in context of contracting an sti and bi-meets):

If two bi guys meet. Or two bi girls meet. Which scenario of the two are (statistically) condoms/protection more likely to be used?

I know.. devil's advocate but I can't help it

It might sound weird to some but I always use condoms on my penetrative toys.

XXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually.. when I think about it (in defense of bi guys).. and hear me out on this (in context of contracting an sti and bi-meets):

If two bi guys meet. Or two bi girls meet. Which scenario of the two are (statistically) condoms/protection more likely to be used?

I know.. devil's advocate but I can't help it

This information is based on the Health Protection Agency’s calculations for 2010 as seen in their HIV in the United Kingdom: 2011 Report.

alot of men get it through sharing of needles through heroin use and statistically there are alot more male than female "users" so you cant contribute it down just to the gay community :P"

Who mentioned gay that's male and female statistics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bi guys/Gay guys are members of a higher risk group... They are not the only higher risk group...

See you just added to the stigma what group ? Where did you get these facts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should be allowed to meet whoever they like and not have to defend their preferences to anyone for any reason.

Call it preference, discrimination or anyting you like, but it's their choice and you should respect that choice.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Bi guys/Gay guys are members of a higher risk group... They are not the only higher risk group...

See you just added to the stigma what group ? Where did you get these facts "

Nearly every health forum giving details on HIV statistics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People should be allowed to meet whoever they like and not have to defend their preferences to anyone for any reason.

Call it preference, discrimination or anyting you like, but it's their choice and you should respect that choice.

So discrimination is ok ? Haha I don't think so I don't respect racists or and discriminators sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter. If the idea of having sex with a man who has been with another man puts someone off then it's their right to choose not to.

It doesn't matter whether it's because they think he is more likely to be diseased or for any other reason, they are entitled to choose. And to make an informed choice.

It's only your belief that it's to do with risk anyway. There are lots of other possible reasons.

People have a right to choose and others should be honest in order to allow that.

People have a right not to meet married men. If a married man lies then nobody will be any the wiser. Does it make it ok for him to lie to avoid the stigma of being a cheater and get meets?"

So basically if someone turned down black people cos they believed they would get mugged then that's fine as its their choice to think that?

If someone turns down a person over 60 cos they believe the person will be incontenant that's ok?

If someone turns down someone for being overweight as they believe they will smell that's ok?

What I've listed is stereotyping people, and that's not allowed in other aspects of life such as applying for a job. That's the point.

Oh and someones profession, that is based on stereotyping too right?

If its to do with finding someone attractive then that's acceptable as that's what the site is about..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We dont meet bi men, why because it's our choice just as it would be someone elses choice not to meet us because we are something they are not seeking.

It's not discrimination at all no matter how you think of it.

You don't meet single guys could we say thats discrimination? no, it's your preference.

Just because "you" are something, it don't meen everyone has to like it just the same as not everyone has to like "us" and in this scene we respect that.

Tony

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang on a sec...

People MAY not want to have sex with black people because they think they are more likely to be HIV+ but because it COULD be down to not being attracted to how they look it's ok?

If bi men looked different it would be ok for someone to not want sex with them even if the reason was actually that person thought them more likely to have an STI?

There are lots of reasons someone wouldn't want sex with a bi man other than thinking they're more likely to have an STI.

Some people just find the idea of two men together abhorrent. They're entitled to feel that way.

If a bi man would be happy to lie to get sex, denying the other party/parties from making an informed choice, I think that's a disgrace and absolutely inexcusable.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

The original post makes out that bi guys are 'sub' I have to say that bi guys or girls for that matter can be sub or dom/me.

As far as discrimination goes sexuality and sexual preference as well as race are protected characteristics by law.

Perhaps if everyone took time to have proper conversations you'd find we are all the same underneath.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People should be allowed to meet whoever they like and not have to defend their preferences to anyone for any reason.

Call it preference, discrimination or anyting you like, but it's their choice and you should respect that choice.

So discrimination is ok ? Haha I don't think so I don't respect racists or and discriminators sorry"

It's choice, not discrimination. I explained the difference higher up the thread.

Banging on about being discriminated against just because some people don't want sex with you is making you look pretty silly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People should be allowed to meet whoever they like and not have to defend their preferences to anyone for any reason.

Call it preference, discrimination or anyting you like, but it's their choice and you should respect that choice.

So discrimination is ok ? Haha I don't think so I don't respect racists or and discriminators sorry"

I actually said you can call it what you like, try reading the post properly before talking crap

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Bi guys/Gay guys are members of a higher risk group... They are not the only higher risk group...

See you just added to the stigma what group ? Where did you get these facts "

It was world aids day less than a month ago, Gay/bisexual men have the highest transmission and infection rates of HIV in the UK (by quite some distance.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not saying it necessarily changes how you act or behave with other people, but some people find it a turn of, and also I imagine they may think a greater risk STD wise.

Actually there's a lot of evidence about men who have sex with other men being at greater risk of stds! The CDC released stats in 2010. The data, presented at CDC's 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women. It went on to say "The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says. The range was 91-173 cases per 100,000 MSM vs. 2 per 100,000 other men and 1 per 100,000 women." This is just one piece of research and there have been many others - denying the fact that by playing with bi men wouldn't by increasing my exposure to stds is laughable and that is one of my main reasons for not meeting bi guys. The other reason is, when we play we want it to fulfill people's innermost desires and fantasies, if a male playmate would be more turned on by playing with Jonny than me then we'd be doing him a dis-service. There are lots of things we choose to avoid, we avoid married men (even though its not based on appearance or personality), we avoid people into water sports (even though its not based on appearance or personality), we avoid people who like fisting (again - not based on appearance or personality).

Total lunacy to cry discrimination, and you confirm your poor judgement of language by arguing that watp isn't discriminatory, by stating "we are the people" (and I'll ignore your apparent lack of real experience of ibrox) instantly infers that "the others aren't", that's implying divine segregation - and that is discriminatory.

You should drop your argument and instead prepare yourself for the inevitable rejection you'll one day get for being bi. Judging by the emotional outpouring here, you're bound to take it very badly.

R x

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Now to be very frank.... Any bi/gay guy indulging in sex with other guys who does not know that they are in one of the higher risk groups...... Is fucking scary.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Now to be very frank.... Any bi/gay guy indulging in sex with other guys who does not know that they are in one of the higher risk groups...... Is fucking scary."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm bi, my bloke is bi, and I've had meets with bi men.

If someone- male or female- doesn't want to meet me because of this fact, that's fine by me.

It's NOT discrimination!! It's their personal choice.

Sheesh.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bi guys/Gay guys are members of a higher risk group... They are not the only higher risk group...

See you just added to the stigma what group ? Where did you get these facts

Nearly every health forum giving details on HIV statistics"

The thing with these stastics is that yes there is more of a risk with anal sex bareback of passing on hiv. So the gay/bi men community is hiot hard with info and encouraged to get sexual health checks. So the truth is more gays/bi's have been tested than those of their hetro counterparts and therefore make up more of the stastistics.. If more hetro men went and got tested the statastics would be very different.. Everyone has the potential to be carrying an sti and in this world u need to be just as caustious with everyone!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm bi, my bloke is bi, and I've had meets with bi men.

If someone- male or female- doesn't want to meet me because of this fact, that's fine by me.

It's NOT discrimination!! It's their personal choice.

Sheesh.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hang on a sec...

People MAY not want to have sex with black people because they think they are more likely to be HIV+ but because it COULD be down to not being attracted to how they look it's ok?

If bi men looked different it would be ok for someone to not want sex with them even if the reason was actually that person thought them more likely to have an STI?

There are lots of reasons someone wouldn't want sex with a bi man other than thinking they're more likely to have an STI.

Some people just find the idea of two men together abhorrent. They're entitled to feel that way.

If a bi man would be happy to lie to get sex, denying the other party/parties from making an informed choice, I think that's a disgrace and absolutely inexcusable."

So first thing a guy should tell you is if they ever experimented because not telling you is a disgrace and inexcusable haha your delusional why should anyone tell you their secrets if your happy to fuck him he's going to keep quiet for all he knows you v got the clap he's taking a risk too hahahaha this forum is awesome

Ps I don't like blacks , fat women , Asians, women with no tits, women that don't swallow, women with kids as they have loose pussys

But hey that's just my choice respect that !