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"Why?" Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here. | |||
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"I get it OP it’s not very imaginative I guess, but there are plenty couples and single women profile photos of just tits or ‘cankles’ at the end of a bath. Why single out just men for shit photos! Mmmm ah yes it’s fashionable to do this on here isn’t it and guaranteed replies from the herd " Comparing tits to an erect cock is like comparing a melon to a banana, totally pointless as there's no relationship between the two. | |||
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"Each to their own really. Also, speaking as a single person, it is hard to take a good picture of yourself. Selfies all look pretty awful. " I'm single and just use the timer on my phones camera | |||
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"Profile photos isn’t the issue for us, it’s when you get a silhouette profile pic and they message with just a cock pic. Coupled with a “I wanna fuck your wife” message, it’s a bit crass lol." Totally agree with that.... I can't see guys doing that ever having much success. Respect is key. | |||
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"Each to their own really. Also, speaking as a single person, it is hard to take a good picture of yourself. Selfies all look pretty awful. I'm single and just use the timer on my phones camera" A painful process, I usually give up after 5 or 6 goes. | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here." Same here, thins the herd massively! | |||
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"Each to their own really. Also, speaking as a single person, it is hard to take a good picture of yourself. Selfies all look pretty awful. I'm single and just use the timer on my phones camera A painful process, I usually give up after 5 or 6 goes. " just looked at your pictures. Do you use it as a broom? | |||
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"so men cant get there cocks out if they wish yet women can show what ever they please ie tits arse n fanny ??? talk about just kicking guys down even more" Oh come on! At least this thread had the intention of being a man-basher from the outset....... | |||
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"Each to their own really. Also, speaking as a single person, it is hard to take a good picture of yourself. Selfies all look pretty awful. I'm single and just use the timer on my phones camera" Same here, it's really a very simple feature to use..... | |||
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"Each to their own really. Also, speaking as a single person, it is hard to take a good picture of yourself. Selfies all look pretty awful. I'm single and just use the timer on my phones camera A painful process, I usually give up after 5 or 6 goes. just looked at your pictures. Do you use it as a broom?" Haha about the only use it gets at the moment. | |||
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"Putting cock pictures on profile could be a hard decision to make. Or a soft decision " Keep it up | |||
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"Why?" Because they think they are selling their cock and not themselves... | |||
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"Why?" because it's the head we think with | |||
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"Why? because it's the head we think with" I think therein lies the problem! | |||
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"Why?" Why not Why do women upload pics with gaping holes Why do men measure against sky remotes After a while on fab you come to the conclusion, why not. If they’re not for you, ignore/block and move on | |||
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"Why?" What's the thinking behind your profile pic OP? | |||
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"Why?" Why not? Let people present themselves as they wish. | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here." It is flashing whatever the gender. | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here. It is flashing whatever the gender." Yeah how wierd! People flashing their sexual parts on a "swinging" site! | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here. It is flashing whatever the gender." Have you not seen your own profile pic? | |||
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"Why?" Careful if you ever go into a swingers club. There'll be naked people up to all sorts! Gbat | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here. It is flashing whatever the gender. Have you not seen your own profile pic?" Do you know what genitals are? | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here. It is flashing whatever the gender. Yeah how wierd! People flashing their sexual parts on a "swinging" site! " | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here. It is flashing whatever the gender. Have you not seen your own profile pic? Do you know what genitals are? " If “flashing” is your issue, it applies to more than genitals | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? " Google "consent" !! | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? Google "consent" !!" Oh i am sorry do i have to ask permission to show my cock on here now?? And i don't need to google it! | |||
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"Google "consent" !!" I would hate to offend anyone, but knowingly going onto a swingers site is going to expose you (no pun intended!) to naked people. I've seen couples, men and women exposing themselves in various degrees, in profile pics, public pics and friends only pics they've been kind enough share. If you go to a swingers club, just by entering it's a fair bet you are going to see people of all shapes and sizes indulging in sexual activity. I'd say it's pretty much a fair bet here too. Pictures of cocks are openly displayed on the site and are within the site's rules. Perhaps rather than complaining about people who are posting within the rules, you should be looking elsewhere? Gbat | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? Google "consent" !! Oh i am sorry do i have to ask permission to show my cock on here now?? And i don't need to google it!" The 'moral police' have invaded Fabs !!! I was only looking for a shag | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? Google "consent" !! Oh i am sorry do i have to ask permission to show my cock on here now?? And i don't need to google it! The 'moral police' have invaded Fabs !!! I was only looking for a shag " PMSL..... thats a fair point | |||
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"Google "consent" !! I would hate to offend anyone, but knowingly going onto a swingers site is going to expose you (no pun intended!) to naked people. I've seen couples, men and women exposing themselves in various degrees, in profile pics, public pics and friends only pics they've been kind enough share. If you go to a swingers club, just by entering it's a fair bet you are going to see people of all shapes and sizes indulging in sexual activity. I'd say it's pretty much a fair bet here too. Pictures of cocks are openly displayed on the site and are within the site's rules. Perhaps rather than complaining about people who are posting within the rules, you should be looking elsewhere? Gbat " I am entitled to my opinion about flashers. Creepy. | |||
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"I get it OP it’s not very imaginative I guess, but there are plenty couples and single women profile photos of just tits or ‘cankles’ at the end of a bath. Why single out just men for shit photos! Mmmm ah yes it’s fashionable to do this on here isn’t it and guaranteed replies from the herd Comparing tits to an erect cock is like comparing a melon to a banana, totally pointless as there's no relationship between the two. " I totally disagree they are both showing laziness and lack of imagination. My point was why just bash men about this when couples and women are just as guilty of shit profile photos ! | |||
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"You are indeed! As people are equally entitled to be bemused by a somewhat puritan attitude on a swingers site! Gbat " awesome | |||
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"I get it OP it’s not very imaginative I guess, but there are plenty couples and single women profile photos of just tits or ‘cankles’ at the end of a bath. Why single out just men for shit photos! Mmmm ah yes it’s fashionable to do this on here isn’t it and guaranteed replies from the herd Comparing tits to an erect cock is like comparing a melon to a banana, totally pointless as there's no relationship between the two. I totally disagree they are both showing laziness and lack of imagination. My point was why just bash men about this when couples and women are just as guilty of shit profile photos ! " Okay, carry on comparing the male sexual organ to the female chest or ankles (cankles as you called them) if it makes sense to you ?? I'll carry on comparing an erect penis to a swollen clit and a man's chest and ankles to a woman's chest and ankles, as that makes a lot more sense to me. K | |||
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"I get it OP it’s not very imaginative I guess, but there are plenty couples and single women profile photos of just tits or ‘cankles’ at the end of a bath. Why single out just men for shit photos! Mmmm ah yes it’s fashionable to do this on here isn’t it and guaranteed replies from the herd Comparing tits to an erect cock is like comparing a melon to a banana, totally pointless as there's no relationship between the two. I totally disagree they are both showing laziness and lack of imagination. My point was why just bash men about this when couples and women are just as guilty of shit profile photos ! Okay, carry on comparing the male sexual organ to the female chest or ankles (cankles as you called them) if it makes sense to you ?? I'll carry on comparing an erect penis to a swollen clit and a man's chest and ankles to a woman's chest and ankles, as that makes a lot more sense to me. K" Your totally missing the point I’m making. But never mind | |||
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"I get it OP it’s not very imaginative I guess, but there are plenty couples and single women profile photos of just tits or ‘cankles’ at the end of a bath. Why single out just men for shit photos! Mmmm ah yes it’s fashionable to do this on here isn’t it and guaranteed replies from the herd Comparing tits to an erect cock is like comparing a melon to a banana, totally pointless as there's no relationship between the two. I totally disagree they are both showing laziness and lack of imagination. My point was why just bash men about this when couples and women are just as guilty of shit profile photos ! Okay, carry on comparing the male sexual organ to the female chest or ankles (cankles as you called them) if it makes sense to you ?? I'll carry on comparing an erect penis to a swollen clit and a man's chest and ankles to a woman's chest and ankles, as that makes a lot more sense to me. K Your totally missing the point I’m making. But never mind " Of course he is but he knows that perfectly well. | |||
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"Why? Because it turns them on, the fact that it puts most people off doesn't worry them, they have got their thrills. We block any and all flashers that we see in here." Are you not a flasher on your profile? Equality and all that jazz. As the female half, I'm more interested in what I'm getting out of the meet and welcome cock pics as well as other angles. | |||
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"Why?" And then asking why they can't get any meets and no one replys to their messages. | |||
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"Why?" Possibly because it’s their best feature | |||
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"It's only like looking through the window at shoes in a shop .you can see the goods before you try . " Pop in and try on for size | |||
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"Why?" It’s a very useful filter. Thanks. | |||
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"Why?" couple with mostly female pics, why? | |||
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"Why?" why not, the guys that do it think this is a sex site an easy mistake to make , I myself of course am a nudist so being naked is natural for me but the erect penis signifies sex or why else would it be erect | |||
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"Women with profile pics spreading everything Looks like I’m looking in a butchers shop window " lol omg you may get a reaction to that one | |||
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"I think many have missed the original point (or i have) which I read as the profile pic being questioned as the one you see when browsing, or next to a forum post. Not just a photo in a profile gallery. As for the comments saying that this is also aimed at men? Well yep. Because who has a cock? Of course it's down to personal choice. Everything on a profile is, from the text to the pictures and the interests to the personal details. People can.post whatever they want and yes, women do post Genital photos as do couples. But neither of those groups has a tendency to use a close up crotch shot as their main profile photo. Not all men do either, especially those that are successful, have creative profiles and have a variety of different photos. Men can do what they want. If they feel an isolated knob showing nothing of the rest of their body is a good marketing tool then that's their prerogative. If it works for them then great. If they're struggling then it may be the issue. I'm always amused when these threads crop up and everyone starts claiming its another man bashing thread. The OP was a question. It may have been a thinly veiled 'I don't like cock shot main profile pics so why do men do it' question but the responses haven't really explained why men do it bar 'because I can'. Which again, is true. Me? I have nothing against a well taken cock shot and its great to be able to 'see the goods'. Would I ever post one as a main profile photo? Never in a million years. To me is lazy, shows the viewer no personality, is telling me that the profile owner thinks it's their best and most important asset and for the simple reason that a main profile close up cock shot just gets lost in a sea of hundreds of others. It's up to individual people if they want to stand out or look the same as so many others. But those photos are never going to make us rush to view a profile over anything else. A " | |||
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"Why?" Because some ladies like them. I prefer the funny/arty ones | |||
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"Or to put it another way, Why “why?” Why is it important to you that you need to know someone’s thought process on this? If you don’t like it, leave them to it. As some have said, perhaps it’s a useful filter for you. My guess is that the original OP doesn’t actually want to know the thought process, it’s just a way of showing a dislike by posting the question. I’m happy to be wrong though. Cheers. Gbat ps I think a more interesting topic would be “What do people think all those numbers stand for when they use the bogus hokum legalese warning about pinching photos?” " It's a forum for discussions. People can ask whatever they like (within forum rules) and people can choose whether to answer or not. P.s. sounds like a good topic, post it. | |||
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"Or to put it another way, Why “why?” Why is it important to you that you need to know someone’s thought process on this? If you don’t like it, leave them to it. As some have said, perhaps it’s a useful filter for you. My guess is that the original OP doesn’t actually want to know the thought process, it’s just a way of showing a dislike by posting the question. I’m happy to be wrong though. Cheers. Gbat ps I think a more interesting topic would be “What do people think all those numbers stand for when they use the bogus hokum legalese warning about pinching photos?” It's a forum for discussions. People can ask whatever they like (within forum rules) and people can choose whether to answer or not. P.s. sounds like a good topic, post it. " This, I'd probably keep completely schtum if I never said anything that could be construed as negative | |||
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"I just love waggling it about " So you should with a champion like that | |||
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"Oh I like a good hard cock profile picture. Get to see the goods first. " No problem sending cock pictures to anyone, but I don't for the people that don't. I'll send you one of mine for the giggles alone. | |||
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"I just love waggling it about So you should with a champion like that " Certainly put a smile on most female faces. ( good girth ) | |||
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"I just love waggling it about So you should with a champion like that Certainly put a smile on most female faces. ( good girth )" I should rename my profile to Mr Girth really lol | |||
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"Why?" What about cock pics in their photos? Or is it just the main profile pic you talking about? | |||
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"Why? What about cock pics in their photos? Or is it just the main profile pic you talking about? " "Profile" pics | |||
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"Why? What about cock pics in their photos? Or is it just the main profile pic you talking about? "Profile" pics" Shall I change mine? | |||
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"Why? What about cock pics in their photos? Or is it just the main profile pic you talking about? "Profile" pics Shall I change mine?" Why would you need to? It's nice! | |||
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"Why? What about cock pics in their photos? Or is it just the main profile pic you talking about? "Profile" pics Shall I change mine? Why would you need to? It's nice!" Ahhh thank you I won't then lol your pics are very nice | |||
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"I once saw a guys profile that had 10 cocks pics and nothing else. He was verified 20+ times by very attractive women " He must know something we don’t | |||
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"I once saw a guys profile that had 10 cocks pics and nothing else. He was verified 20+ times by very attractive women He must know something we don’t " Ah. But 'once' isn't really representative of the average single male on Fab.... Just because it works for one guy, doesn't mean it will for all. Again. People can do as they wish. But of tou spend a lot of time on Fab you get the vague idea that the approach of focusing purely on cock.pics rarely works. A | |||
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"so men cant get there cocks out if they wish yet women can show what ever they please ie tits arse n fanny ??? talk about just kicking guys down even more Oh come on! At least this thread had the intention of being a man-basher from the outset....... " Such a rare thing on Fab…… | |||
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"Makes me laugh at how up there own arses some people above are pontificating about what singles guys should and shouldn’t do! The arrogance is breathtaking " | |||
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"Makes me laugh at how up there own arses some people above are pontificating about what singles guys should and shouldn’t do! The arrogance is breathtaking " Nobody is saying what they should and shouldn't do though. They're giving their opinions in response to a question. That's kind of the point of forums. Nobody has to agree with their opinion or act on it. Why do some people always start playing the victim because an opinion is offered that they don't agree with? Nobody has been singled out as far as I can see. People are just giving general feedback based on their own preferences. A | |||
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"Makes me laugh at how up there own arses some people above are pontificating about what singles guys should and shouldn’t do! The arrogance is breathtaking " Were they? Or were they giving opinions, as we’re all entitled to, on whether they think cock pics attractive/not attractive in a profile? | |||
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"Makes me laugh at how up there own arses some people above are pontificating about what singles guys should and shouldn’t do! The arrogance is breathtaking Were they? Or were they giving opinions, as we’re all entitled to, on whether they think cock pics attractive/not attractive in a profile?" I think it’s more the point that not a day goes by someone will start a post about what other people should or shouldn’t have on their own profile and it’s mainly aimed at single men hence the rise in people using the term “man bashing “ as they are fair game but women and couples get a fairly free ride | |||
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"I think it’s more the point that not a day goes by someone will start a post about what other people should or shouldn’t have on their own profile and it’s mainly aimed at single men hence the rise in people using the term “man bashing “ as they are fair game but women and couples get a fairly free ride " Yes. That message comes over loud and clear, but thank you for explaining it to me. But if you, or anyone else, doesn’t like the content of the forums, there’s an easy remedy to that. | |||
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"I think it’s more the point that not a day goes by someone will start a post about what other people should or shouldn’t have on their own profile and it’s mainly aimed at single men hence the rise in people using the term “man bashing “ as they are fair game but women and couples get a fairly free ride Yes. That message comes over loud and clear, but thank you for explaining it to me. But if you, or anyone else, doesn’t like the content of the forums, there’s an easy remedy to that." you’re very welcome sometimes things need explaining to some on here | |||
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"I think it’s more the point that not a day goes by someone will start a post about what other people should or shouldn’t have on their own profile and it’s mainly aimed at single men hence the rise in people using the term “man bashing “ as they are fair game but women and couples get a fairly free ride Yes. That message comes over loud and clear, but thank you for explaining it to me. But if you, or anyone else, doesn’t like the content of the forums, there’s an easy remedy to that." Oh no it doesn’t work like that with me I’m afraid. I’m not going to skulk off into the dark while people think all single guys are fair game to constantly criticise. I’m going to call them out every single time. | |||
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"I think it’s more the point that not a day goes by someone will start a post about what other people should or shouldn’t have on their own profile and it’s mainly aimed at single men hence the rise in people using the term “man bashing “ as they are fair game but women and couples get a fairly free ride Yes. That message comes over loud and clear, but thank you for explaining it to me. But if you, or anyone else, doesn’t like the content of the forums, there’s an easy remedy to that. Oh no it doesn’t work like that with me I’m afraid. I’m not going to skulk off into the dark while people think all single guys are fair game to constantly criticise. I’m going to call them out every single time. " careful or you will get a block like me | |||
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"Why?" Because they think they have want you want. | |||
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"Why? What about cock pics in their photos? Or is it just the main profile pic you talking about? "Profile" pics Shall I change mine? Why would you need to? It's nice! Ahhh thank you I won't then lol your pics are very nice" You're so welcome!! Thank you! | |||
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"Should I change mine to a cock pick?" Definitely! Very nice | |||
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"I think it’s more the point that not a day goes by someone will start a post about what other people should or shouldn’t have on their own profile and it’s mainly aimed at single men hence the rise in people using the term “man bashing “ as they are fair game but women and couples get a fairly free ride Yes. That message comes over loud and clear, but thank you for explaining it to me. But if you, or anyone else, doesn’t like the content of the forums, there’s an easy remedy to that. Oh no it doesn’t work like that with me I’m afraid. I’m not going to skulk off into the dark while people think all single guys are fair game to constantly criticise. I’m going to call them out every single time. " I don't think anyone was (or ever does) criticise 'all single guys'. The myth that people think they're all the same is just a myth. A | |||
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"I’ve not come across any Tribute?" Yes please | |||
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"I’ve not come across any Tribute? Yes please " Me too, a lovely big headed creamy… pint please | |||
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"These forums are a great extra filter system." Aren’t they just | |||
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"Why?" Why not?. They can do whatever they want with their profiles. | |||
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"Why?" No different to all the birds with the gash out in profile pics tbh ... I mean some like it some dont .. everyone is an adult on here so I am sure people can cope with it all | |||
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"Why? No different to all the birds with the gash out in profile pics tbh ... I mean some like it some dont .. everyone is an adult on here so I am sure people can cope with it all " Some clearly can’t on here. So much so they love to preach and constantly give others advice. | |||
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"I'm certainly no oil painting, but I would rather show my real face. Do I have a pretty cock? Yes. Do I throw it in people's faces when they look at my profile? No . My position is if people really want to see it they can ask and I'll send them one of my friend pics. If they want more, friend request after a chat then feel free to browse." ?? this | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? " The usual is to friend request and or ask to see more pictures Before a meet | |||
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"I'm certainly no oil painting, but I would rather show my real face. Do I have a pretty cock? Yes. Do I throw it in people's faces when they look at my profile? No . My position is if people really want to see it they can ask and I'll send them one of my friend pics. If they want more, friend request after a chat then feel free to browse. 100pc this " | |||
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"I'm certainly no oil painting, but I would rather show my real face. Do I have a pretty cock? Yes. Do I throw it in people's faces when they look at my profile? No . My position is if people really want to see it they can ask and I'll send them one of my friend pics. If they want more, friend request after a chat then feel free to browse. 100pc this " Miss Pleasuring, awful shame I'm just one year too young, or I would have asked in private if you would like to "inspect the goods" | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? The usual is to friend request and or ask to see more pictures Before a meet " Oh so people DO want to see them then?? Just only when asked or a feiend? Ah i see got it now! | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? The usual is to friend request and or ask to see more pictures Before a meet Oh so people DO want to see them then?? Just only when asked or a feiend? Ah i see got it now!" I think you'll find that the large majority of women love to see the cock - but only once some sort of connection has been established. In our opinion, guys that don't understand the difference between selfish pleasure and shared pleasure worry us and are best avoided, therefore we block them. | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? The usual is to friend request and or ask to see more pictures Before a meet Oh so people DO want to see them then?? Just only when asked or a feiend? Ah i see got it now! I think you'll find that the large majority of women love to see the cock - but only once some sort of connection has been established. In our opinion, guys that don't understand the difference between selfish pleasure and shared pleasure worry us and are best avoided, therefore we block them." You took the words right out of my mouth!! | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? The usual is to friend request and or ask to see more pictures Before a meet Oh so people DO want to see them then?? Just only when asked or a feiend? Ah i see got it now! I think you'll find that the large majority of women love to see the cock - but only once some sort of connection has been established. In our opinion, guys that don't understand the difference between selfish pleasure and shared pleasure worry us and are best avoided, therefore we block them." Totally agree! | |||
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"I just like to show my cock off, dont think its harming anyone." I think you'll find that most, if not all of us love to show off our cocks - many however practice restraint until we know it's welcomed | |||
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"Answer me this. So all the people who "hate" cock pics do they look for guys without a cock? Or when they DO finally meet someone when they get naked say to them "oh im sorry i hate seeing cocks you will have to leave"??? The usual is to friend request and or ask to see more pictures Before a meet Oh so people DO want to see them then?? Just only when asked or a feiend? Ah i see got it now! I think you'll find that the large majority of women love to see the cock - but only once some sort of connection has been established. In our opinion, guys that don't understand the difference between selfish pleasure and shared pleasure worry us and are best avoided, therefore we block them." | |||
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"I just like to show my cock off, dont think its harming anyone." It won't harm anyone at all. Those that want to see it will look closer. Those that don't won't be looking deliberately but will see it on forum posts and that can't be avoided. Potentially the only person it may harm could be yourself by putting some people off taking a closer interest in finding out more. But that's entirely your choice and if it has an effect on interest in you then that's the only harm done. A A | |||
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" I think you'll find that the large majority of women love to see the cock - but only once some sort of connection has been established. In our opinion, guys that don't understand the difference between selfish pleasure and shared pleasure worry us and are best avoided, therefore we block them." This is our view too | |||
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" I think you'll find that the large majority of women love to see the cock - but only once some sort of connection has been established. In our opinion, guys that don't understand the difference between selfish pleasure and shared pleasure worry us and are best avoided, therefore we block them. This is our view too" Criticism of single men now expanded beyond merely cock profile photo I see!? Fab should set up a new theme area on the forums for you all to vent your spleens about it | |||
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