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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So I was recently considering going back to a swingers event. There's one that runs regularly in my home town.

Although my last couple of visits to these were not great I did have some fun experiences when I first went along few years back.

However seeing that the price difference for single men is between £30-£40 more expensive then for single ladies or couples I decided I can make better use of my money.

Also the fact that on their tickets page they felt they had to specify that single tickets for women were only for cis women also didn't sit quite right with me.

Whilst I will accept some price difference for single men more than double the price seems ridiculous.

I know some people will say it's to keep the idiots away and yes I appreciate I'm still not user verified since coming back on here yet. But honestly I think asking me to pay double price is just stupid.

Maybe I've been spoilt by attending events in the BDSM & Fetish world where it's equal pricing for all!

So to finish a long initial post I'm genuinely curious what do people think of pricing difference based on gender?

Curious to hear what ladies and couples think as well not just other single guys like myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The women and couples are sex bait. The men pay stupid prices for the sniff of sex and the club gets the proceeds of sex for money.

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

It's just a case of supply and demand.

There's a demand for women & couples and an over supply of men, so simple economics.

For those who disagree with the pricing structure the solution is simple - stay away.

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

Surely it's basic supply and demand...

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria


"The women and couples are sex bait. The men pay stupid prices for the sniff of sex and the club gets the proceeds of sex for money."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's just a case of supply and demand.

There's a demand for women & couples and an over supply of men, so simple economics.

For those who disagree with the pricing structure the solution is simple - stay away."

I'd accept a bit of price difference but I think charging more than double is bit far.

Limiting number of single men or vetting more thoroughly would be a solution.

As you say though choice is to stay away if you disagree with pricing structure which I will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So I was recently considering going back to a swingers event. There's one that runs regularly in my home town.

*****

Also the fact that on their tickets page they felt they had to specify that single tickets for women were only for cis women also didn't sit quite right with me.

"

yes, there are still some elements of the swinging scene where transphobia and a disregard for the equalities act is prevalent.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

So as an average couple we do not look for tv or single men as a rule we looking for a couples then work our way down our list.

But if the club has many men we would not go as their hard work following us or trying to make small talk.

So putting prices that put off the majority of pretenders off is a good thing,

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By *uckslut and MCouple
over a year ago

Poole

I pay a lot of money for, lingery, stockings, hair and make up ect. Our local club is an 3 hour round trip. Costing us £80 by the you factor petrol, entrance and food on the way home.

Men just turn up, wrap a towel round. If your lucky they flop their knobb in the sink before arriving.

Yes, I think there should be a differance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a lot less females than males who go to clubs, so the club's want to attract females, they won't get many if they charge them a lot. I have had unsolicited club invites from establishment owners, to my profile, so I would agree with the previous poster who says females/couples are bait.

Primarily clubs are there to make owners money, men make them that money.

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By *eed.a.signalMan
over a year ago

Local


"I pay a lot of money for, lingery, stockings, hair and make up ect. Our local club is an 3 hour round trip. Costing us £80 by the you factor petrol, entrance and food on the way home.

Men just turn up, wrap a towel round. If your lucky they flop their knobb in the sink before arriving.

Yes, I think there should be a differance. "

And you pay all of that without the need to mention it and it goes unnoticed. Same as the clubs, they don’t mention the cost they have for insurance, licensing, staffing etc.

Go out for a good time. If cost is an issue probably best to leave it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get why they do it but I don't agree with charging men more to come to the same event, it should be equal across the board.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you disagree with pricing don’t go. I’m sure the event will still be full of single men and clubs will continue with the pricing system that’s seems to work just fine.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you disagree with pricing don’t go. I’m sure the event will still be full of single men and clubs will continue with the pricing system that’s seems to work just fine."

I'm not going to be going to that particular event.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"The women and couples are sex bait. The men pay stupid prices for the sniff of sex and the club gets the proceeds of sex for money."
lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yep same here. I do understand and would maybe accept a slight price difference but paying more than double is just not on in my eyes.

I think this is partially why I gravitated away from swingers events to more kink/BDSM centric ones. Equal pricing and feel less like they're being run just for a quick buck!

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

They already limit the numbers of single men by selling a limited number of tickets.

Totally agree, the difference in cost for single guys is outrageous!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we all understand the reasons clubs do this but as an intellectual exercise I would be curious to know the result if anyone ever took the effort to challenge it legally. I was fairly sure you weren’t technically allowed to do that these days ?

And as for the the charging Cis women different from trans …. well that just screams to me that I wouldn’t be welcome there anyway so I’d be passing on by anyway. Good to know that up front I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What’s fascinating about it, is there’s an all female sex party club I may have attended, where they charge extortionate prices, and not only do women pay, they are sold out time and time again. And filled with incredible…and hot…women. If you can market something in the right way, you can make anyone pay those prices, eh

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think we all understand the reasons clubs do this but as an intellectual exercise I would be curious to know the result if anyone ever took the effort to challenge it legally. I was fairly sure you weren’t technically allowed to do that these days ?

And as for the the charging Cis women different from trans …. well that just screams to me that I wouldn’t be welcome there anyway so I’d be passing on by anyway. Good to know that up front I guess "

Wasn't that they were charging cis women and trans women a different amount. From way they laid out the ticket options it gave the impression that trans women just wouldn't be accepted!

Just another reason why I won't go back to those events even if they do change their pricing!

I have friends who are trans, non binary etc so wouldn't go somewhere they aren't welcome

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny


"What’s fascinating about it, is there’s an all female sex party club I may have attended, where they charge extortionate prices, and not only do women pay, they are sold out time and time again. And filled with incredible…and hot…women. If you can market something in the right way, you can make anyone pay those prices, eh "

Exactly.

Places like skirt club or sex positive conscious groups do not use gender pricing structures and seem to be able to charge quite high prices and sell out regularly.

I suspect it’s down to who your target audience is as well as how you market your events/clubs.

Remove the perceived sleeze and aim for a safer space and people will be happy to pay.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I pay a lot of money for, lingery, stockings, hair and make up ect. Our local club is an 3 hour round trip. Costing us £80 by the you factor petrol, entrance and food on the way home.

Men just turn up, wrap a towel round. If your lucky they flop their knobb in the sink before arriving.

Yes, I think there should be a differance. "

I mean that's a bit of a generalisation.

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By *eeliciouschaosWoman
over a year ago

Wherever

I’d happily pay the full price and expect safety and respect in return rather than be perceived as the bait and fresh meat.

It happened too many times at so called house parties I stopped attending.

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By *aunchy RaccoonsCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

See it as a discount for Women and couples than Men being charged more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d happily pay the full price and expect safety and respect in return rather than be perceived as the bait and fresh meat.

It happened too many times at so called house parties I stopped attending.

"

Some house parties secretly charge men to attend.....

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Always been the way sadly !! and as someone has already put just paying for sex or the promise/sniff of it ??? and just a cash machine for the people who hold them though as more than enough willing men to pay !!

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"The women and couples are sex bait. The men pay stupid prices for the sniff of sex and the club gets the proceeds of sex for money."

In a nutshell

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By *harAndBryCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough / Stamford


"I think we all understand the reasons clubs do this but as an intellectual exercise I would be curious to know the result if anyone ever took the effort to challenge it legally. I was fairly sure you weren’t technically allowed to do that these days ? "

The way I've read the relevant acts, and looking through some legal websites, if a club has membership requirements and more than 25 members then it doesn't qualify as a "service provider". In that case the club isn't allowed to discriminate on who it allows as members, but is legally allowed to then do what it likes with regard to entry to individual events.

That's why clubs ask for registration - it's their loophole.

(Bry)

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

there are some very grey area's with this charging men more ..we all know the reason why so thats not the argument but one day someone with a bit of money behind them will challenge it ...

its not hard to see the grey area's with a bit of googling all the different laws

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By *i015Man
over a year ago

Millbrook, Southampton

I think clubs should charge men according to cock size, £10 per inch

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By *ressed4fun03TV/TS
over a year ago

Midlands

I just put a dress or skirt on and save myself a fortune!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

In this century we should have moved well beyond discrimination. Businesses should find alternative ways to make their services fair and to manage their offering.

Imagine discrimination being 'acceptable' in other forms - it would not. Sustaining a model that has discrimination at its core is offensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see why but don't agree with it. Think anyone paying it is daft tbh but end of the day, guys will continue to pay so...

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish


"So I was recently considering going back to a swingers event. There's one that runs regularly in my home town.

Although my last couple of visits to these were not great I did have some fun experiences when I first went along few years back.

However seeing that the price difference for single men is between £30-£40 more expensive then for single ladies or couples I decided I can make better use of my money.

Also the fact that on their tickets page they felt they had to specify that single tickets for women were only for cis women also didn't sit quite right with me.

Whilst I will accept some price difference for single men more than double the price seems ridiculous.

I know some people will say it's to keep the idiots away and yes I appreciate I'm still not user verified since coming back on here yet. But honestly I think asking me to pay double price is just stupid.

Maybe I've been spoilt by attending events in the BDSM & Fetish world where it's equal pricing for all!

So to finish a long initial post I'm genuinely curious what do people think of pricing difference based on gender?

Curious to hear what ladies and couples think as well not just other single guys like myself "

I agree that it is really unfair for single men to pay so much more. I think men and women should be charged the same entrance fee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I fully understand why they do and that’s how they make their money. I personally don’t agree with some of the clubs charging “way” more for men than women & couples. So I choose not to go to them these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we all understand the reasons clubs do this but as an intellectual exercise I would be curious to know the result if anyone ever took the effort to challenge it legally. I was fairly sure you weren’t technically allowed to do that these days ?

The way I've read the relevant acts, and looking through some legal websites, if a club has membership requirements and more than 25 members then it doesn't qualify as a "service provider". In that case the club isn't allowed to discriminate on who it allows as members, but is legally allowed to then do what it likes with regard to entry to individual events.

That's why clubs ask for registration - it's their loophole.

(Bry)"

I know I'm digging up an old thread here but just to add to this point in case anyone is interested, under the Equalities Act 2010:

"It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation."

A club can restrict membership to a particular group or groups such only women or only gay men, but cannot require different membership terms based on protected characteristics or treat members differently once they have joined. Allowing men and women to join and attend events but charging different membership fees is completely illegal, as is charging different amounts to attend events based on protected characteristics. Clubs might think they have a loophole but they don't.

The private membership club loophole was closed in 2010.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Decadence the club I always frequent is £25 for a single male whatever the event and no membership. It’s a fantastic club. I urge everyone to try if you are ever in Rochdale.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Decadence the club I always frequent is £25 for a single male whatever the event and no membership. It’s a fantastic club. I urge everyone to try if you are ever in Rochdale."

Their website doesn't seem to be working. What are their prices for women and couples?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have obviously decided what is best for you and acted upon it. Well done.

Perhaps you could write to the club in question and tell them that their policy doesn’t suit you and demand that they change it?

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

Over here, clubs limit the days single men can attend (usually Friday nights and special events). On those days, men pay a tad bit more, but nowhere near double the entry fee.

If a man is vouched for by a couple, he will be encouraged to attend with them, and purchase a membership. At which point, he then has access to more nights beyond the singular Fridays.

I feel this is a slightly more equitable method to the pricing issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Decadence the club I always frequent is £25 for a single male whatever the event and no membership. It’s a fantastic club. I urge everyone to try if you are ever in Rochdale.

Their website doesn't seem to be working. What are their prices for women and couples?"

Couples £10 and ladies free I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Odd, isn't it, that if clubs charged womenmore than men, equality lawyers would be all over them.

The simple truth is that clubs charge this much extra for single men because they can.

As long as there are men stupid enough to pay the higher prices.

If, on the other hand, single men stopped going and paying these prices, out of principal, then the cluvs would bring their prices down.

But I don't see that happening any time soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Decadence the club I always frequent is £25 for a single male whatever the event and no membership. It’s a fantastic club. I urge everyone to try if you are ever in Rochdale.

Their website doesn't seem to be working. What are their prices for women and couples?

Couples £10 and ladies free I think"

Still a ripoff then, and illegal to boot.

End of the day I don't patronise businesses that treat me with contempt so they wouldn't get my money. I also wouldn't go if they treated people differently because of their race, sexuality or any other such reasons whether or not it affected me.

I suspect the reason it still goes on is that the scene is generally under the radar, which in turn means nobody complains, and we tend to presume that businesses are acting legally these days, hence the widespread belief that they're allowed to do it because of greater demand from single men.

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire


"I pay a lot of money for, lingery, stockings, hair and make up ect. Our local club is an 3 hour round trip. Costing us £80 by the you factor petrol, entrance and food on the way home.

Men just turn up, wrap a towel round. If your lucky they flop their knobb in the sink before arriving.

Yes, I think there should be a differance. "

I paid for accomodation and food too plus everything else you said. I get there and see most men even not bothering to get naked or be a conversationist, just pulling out thier willies at every opportunity. So I agree, single men should be charged more, limited and reminded of the rule before they enter.

The behaviour of most single men in clubs I went to was astounding. They were worst than what they are on fab. I just couldn't believe they just didn't want to attempt to have a decent friendly conversation. Just there to lurk and pounce

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just a case of supply and demand.

There's a demand for women & couples and an over supply of men, so simple economics.

For those who disagree with the pricing structure the solution is simple - stay away."

Staying away is the best advice, thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be fair I been to some places where I been Followed round so stopped that I go to a club where I feel safe and the lady look after then I chat with single gentleman and then if I like happy days in a play room so Answer to the question really think about it men do get fun if a lady likes at a club and u would pay more on a night out with the boys and get to d*unk no fun play then lol

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By *oupleSouthEast69Couple
over a year ago

brighton

Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over here, clubs limit the days single men can attend (usually Friday nights and special events). On those days, men pay a tad bit more, but nowhere near double the entry fee.

If a man is vouched for by a couple, he will be encouraged to attend with them, and purchase a membership. At which point, he then has access to more nights beyond the singular Fridays.

I feel this is a slightly more equitable method to the pricing issue."

Good plan and fair. Are clubs popular over there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get why they do it but I don't agree with charging men more to come to the same event, it should be equal across the board."

This

Mrs C

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"Over here, clubs limit the days single men can attend (usually Friday nights and special events). On those days, men pay a tad bit more, but nowhere near double the entry fee.

If a man is vouched for by a couple, he will be encouraged to attend with them, and purchase a membership. At which point, he then has access to more nights beyond the singular Fridays.

I feel this is a slightly more equitable method to the pricing issue.

Good plan and fair. Are clubs popular over there?"

Very!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices. "

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I haven't got a huge problem with how clubs charge. I suppose as someone who goes to clubs alone and also goes to clubs with my other half I experience things from both sides.

As a couple prices are normally competitive and generally gives a good selection of places to go.

As a lone guy I vote with my feet a lot more with clubs. Price is a factor (especially a silly price) but the more important factor is how a club treats me in general as a single guy. I'm paying my money to enjoy the club experience and not to be treated like a second class citizen. I hate clubs that don't seem to value their single male customers and treat them second class. For example when the single male locker room is the size of a broom cupboard and a filthy rundown hole. I'm a customer, not there to be treated like shit. So it simple I just won't attend clubs that are over priced and/or veiw single guys as lesser in worth. Naturally everyone is free to vote with their feet. Luckily my local club is very reasonable and very egalitarian about how it treats all its guests. The entry price is the same for a single guy as for a couple and everyone shares the same clean smart locker room. There's really not a feel of them and us. So that works for me and that's why I go there. And oddly enough treating guys right hasn't turned it into a sausage fest because it one of the clubs I know that tends to have a fair amount of single ladies attending.

So yes I'm not butt hurt over clubs charging more for guys. They have to run a venue to what works for them. But personally I will vote with my feet.

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By *oupleSouthEast69Couple
over a year ago

brighton


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge."

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal.

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"I haven't got a huge problem with how clubs charge. I suppose as someone who goes to clubs alone and also goes to clubs with my other half I experience things from both sides.

As a couple prices are normally competitive and generally gives a good selection of places to go.

As a lone guy I vote with my feet a lot more with clubs. Price is a factor (especially a silly price) but the more important factor is how a club treats me in general as a single guy. I'm paying my money to enjoy the club experience and not to be treated like a second class citizen. I hate clubs that don't seem to value their single male customers and treat them second class. For example when the single male locker room is the size of a broom cupboard and a filthy rundown hole. I'm a customer, not there to be treated like shit. So it simple I just won't attend clubs that are over priced and/or veiw single guys as lesser in worth. Naturally everyone is free to vote with their feet. Luckily my local club is very reasonable and very egalitarian about how it treats all its guests. The entry price is the same for a single guy as for a couple and everyone shares the same clean smart locker room. There's really not a feel of them and us. So that works for me and that's why I go there. And oddly enough treating guys right hasn't turned it into a sausage fest because it one of the clubs I know that tends to have a fair amount of single ladies attending.

So yes I'm not butt hurt over clubs charging more for guys. They have to run a venue to what works for them. But personally I will vote with my feet."

My feelings are very much the same, with regards to how a club treats me as a single guy, and you know how the night is likely to go, from the very outset, in the reception area, if you receive anything more than “Thanks for your money, it’s through there” with the thumb over the shoulder gesture…..

I don’t mind paying whatever the entry fee is, so long as I feel welcome. I can get more money, but I can’t get the time back from an evening where I just felt like a gatecrasher…..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal. "

Of course they can make a profit. Clubs already limit single men so the bulk of the money comes from couples. Look at how popular club nights are that are couples only and it's obvious that they can run a business just fine without having to resort to illegal discrimination. There's plenty of demand out there as well as clubs that have equitable pricing so you can't tell me that the market would suddenly vanish if they weren't allow to behave illegally. Would you stop attending clubs if the price for a couple was 10% higher because that's the sort of difference we're talking about at most.

Like I said, I don't go to clubs as a single guy because it's not my thing so it doesn't affect me but if you think that believing in equality and wanting business to obey the law is petty and banal then that says a lot.

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By *carletnsparksMan
over a year ago

halifax


"Decadence the club I always frequent is £25 for a single male whatever the event and no membership. It’s a fantastic club. I urge everyone to try if you are ever in Rochdale.

Their website doesn't seem to be working. What are their prices for women and couples?

Couples £10 and ladies free I think"

So still more than double the cost if your a single bloke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So I was recently considering going back to a swingers event. There's one that runs regularly in my home town.

Although my last couple of visits to these were not great I did have some fun experiences when I first went along few years back.

However seeing that the price difference for single men is between £30-£40 more expensive then for single ladies or couples I decided I can make better use of my money.

Also the fact that on their tickets page they felt they had to specify that single tickets for women were only for cis women also didn't sit quite right with me.

Whilst I will accept some price difference for single men more than double the price seems ridiculous.

I know some people will say it's to keep the idiots away and yes I appreciate I'm still not user verified since coming back on here yet. But honestly I think asking me to pay double price is just stupid.

Maybe I've been spoilt by attending events in the BDSM & Fetish world where it's equal pricing for all!

So to finish a long initial post I'm genuinely curious what do people think of pricing difference based on gender?

Curious to hear what ladies and couples think as well not just other single guys like myself "

Would you want to go to a club where it was guaranteed to be way more men than women or couples?

It's supply and demand, clubs always have more men so this is there way to try and even up the numbers

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By *carletnsparksMan
over a year ago

halifax


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal. "

So if single blokes stopped going and the clubs put their prices up for couples and ladies by triple to cover it would you still be happy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to a club a long time ago. Paid for a membership AND a ticket to get in. When I arrived, they wouldn't let me in said I wasn't what they were looking for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal.

So if single blokes stopped going and the clubs put their prices up for couples and ladies by triple to cover it would you still be happy?"

If that was a way to even the numbers then that would be a way to even the numbers lol

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By *carletnsparksMan
over a year ago

halifax


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal.

So if single blokes stopped going and the clubs put their prices up for couples and ladies by triple to cover it would you still be happy?

If that was a way to even the numbers then that would be a way to even the numbers lol "

The clubs can control the ratios of single men to couples to ladies by not allowing too many of each in on any night. But as has been said the cost of a single male entrance far out ways the others so they make more profit from males entering the club, this is why the numbers are uneven so they can make more money!.

I used to visit them as a couple before scarlet passed and felt it was unfair then, the prices should be fairer and the club should manage the numbers in the club better. While some men are happy to pay these prices clubs will exploit it to make serious money.

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By *irky_coupleCouple
over a year ago

kirky

The single guy issue always will be a hot topic when it comes to swinging especially at clubs. It's one reason why we go but don't play as it's like being on display for the wanking dead.

Now before folks jump on us like a ton of bricks, this is our personal opinion and experience as we aren't interested in meeting single guys but just looking at our nearest club who advertise nights, GGGB sold out for single guys,fun for all sold out for single guys but every other type of night where single guys aren't invited then there's always space.

Now we have no idea what the number is for how many guys are actually on the list for attending these events (could be 10 for all we know) but seems to be that there is the supply to cater to the demand so doesn't seem to be an issue with costing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The single guy issue always will be a hot topic when it comes to swinging especially at clubs. It's one reason why we go but don't play as it's like being on display for the wanking dead.

Now before folks jump on us like a ton of bricks, this is our personal opinion and experience as we aren't interested in meeting single guys but just looking at our nearest club who advertise nights, GGGB sold out for single guys,fun for all sold out for single guys but every other type of night where single guys aren't invited then there's always space.

Now we have no idea what the number is for how many guys are actually on the list for attending these events (could be 10 for all we know) but seems to be that there is the supply to cater to the demand so doesn't seem to be an issue with costing."

Yes it was like this when me and my ex visited the sex cinema, we were by ourselves initially so we played and before we knew it there were a group if guys wanking over us, made me very very uncomfortable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal.

So if single blokes stopped going and the clubs put their prices up for couples and ladies by triple to cover it would you still be happy?

If that was a way to even the numbers then that would be a way to even the numbers lol

The clubs can control the ratios of single men to couples to ladies by not allowing too many of each in on any night. But as has been said the cost of a single male entrance far out ways the others so they make more profit from males entering the club, this is why the numbers are uneven so they can make more money!.

I used to visit them as a couple before scarlet passed and felt it was unfair then, the prices should be fairer and the club should manage the numbers in the club better. While some men are happy to pay these prices clubs will exploit it to make serious money."

Maybe you should start your own club then since you have all the answers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal. "

Women like being sex bait and men like to pay for it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Single women and couple are the draw that brings in the single men. If clubs priced out the women and couples there would be nobody attending the clubs at all. The only way that club nights that allow single men to attend can ever function is by charging men more. They have to make a profit and that's how they do it. A club full of single men only isn't going to last long.

Complaining about the way the swinging scene functions in terms of numbers of single men to women/couples seems fairly pointless as it's not going to change and is rooted in human behaviour, not business practices.

If their business model can only survive through illegal practices then they deserve to go under.

There's nothing stopping clubs limiting the number of single men with a simple quota system which a lot of them do anyway.

It's funny how many people will defend discriminatory practices when they're not being disadvantaged. No akin odd my nose either way because I have no interest in attending clubs as a single guy, but it's pretty open and shut case for a legal challenge.

If they limit single men they won't make enough profit.

If they get a legal challenge or limit their profit they will close and we will have no sex clubs. If that's what you want because you're petty and can't accept that men and women seek sex in different ways then good for you. Most of us aren't so banal.

So if single blokes stopped going and the clubs put their prices up for couples and ladies by triple to cover it would you still be happy?"

Unless a club has a clientele that's almost all single men, the increase in price for women and couples if things were evened up would be pretty modest.

If they're currently charging £25 for men and £5 for women and they split the difference and made it £15 each or even added a bit extra to make it £20 each then it's still a very cheap night by today's standards. If that cost was enough to deter single women then it would be a pretty damning indictment of the club.

If clubs aren't using quotas to keep a nice mix of men/women/couples and they end up with too many men attending despite charging them more, then they're obviously happy to take the extra money even if it makes the occasion worse for everyone.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

I think the simple answer is if you can't afford your hobby get a new one.

Anyone with any business sense will realise that you can make a small fortune running a club, you just need to start with a large one!

It would only take one court case which, if the club lost, would cause the death of lots of them.

1 Equal pricing

2 Clubs become a sausage fest

3 Couples and single women stop attending

4 Men stop attending because no women attend

5 Club dies

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By *iss DevilWoman
over a year ago

Bedford


"It's just a case of supply and demand.

There's a demand for women & couples and an over supply of men, so simple economics.

For those who disagree with the pricing structure the solution is simple - stay away."

This, very much so!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

As the old saying goes. “If you’re not paying for the product, then you are the product.”

All the single ladies who enjoy the free or reduced entry are nothing more than stock to sone clubs books. That’s the business model for some clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I once had a couple write to me out of the blue, on their profile they stated they only meet in clubs.

After a few messages I was invited to a club they frequent.

Suddenly I was in a world of cash, membership fees, entry fees, towel fees, total 80 pounds and I might not like my experience.

It was a no from me as I felt like a punter, I felt I was targeted by this couple to help their club survive I felt like a fool for falling for the sax trap.

Thats my experience I wonder if their are other experiences out there?

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By *harAndBryCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough / Stamford


"I once had a couple write to me out of the blue, on their profile they stated they only meet in clubs.

After a few messages I was invited to a club they frequent.

Suddenly I was in a world of cash, membership fees, entry fees, towel fees, total 80 pounds and I might not like my experience.

It was a no from me as I felt like a punter, I felt I was targeted by this couple to help their club survive I felt like a fool for falling for the sax trap.

Thats my experience I wonder if their are other experiences out there?"

Understand how you might feel, but many, many couples now only meet single guys in clubs because of the huge number of single guys* that arrange meets and then don't show up.

If they are invested then they're more likely to show, and if they don't then the couple has a chance to find other fun at the club.

(Bry)

*Yes, single women and couples also don't show.

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By *iss DevilWoman
over a year ago

Bedford

From the point of view of a single woman, it is much safer for me to meet in a club, at least for the first time. Also, if that person doesn't turn up, or we don't get on, there are still other people there as well as the facilities.

What is more, not every single club charges men extortionate fees. I know 3 clubs within probably 20-30 miles of one another. 2 charge men a lot of money and you can't bring your own alcohol in. 3rd one is cheaper, and BYOB. If I was a man on a bit of a budget, I know which one I'd choose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I once had a couple write to me out of the blue, on their profile they stated they only meet in clubs.

After a few messages I was invited to a club they frequent.

Suddenly I was in a world of cash, membership fees, entry fees, towel fees, total 80 pounds and I might not like my experience.

It was a no from me as I felt like a punter, I felt I was targeted by this couple to help their club survive I felt like a fool for falling for the sax trap.

Thats my experience I wonder if their are other experiences out there?

Understand how you might feel, but many, many couples now only meet single guys in clubs because of the huge number of single guys* that arrange meets and then don't show up.

If they are invested then they're more likely to show, and if they don't then the couple has a chance to find other fun at the club.

(Bry)

*Yes, single women and couples also don't show."

If I am invested! Good use of words there that I take to mean if I paid the price of entry I may well have had fun, thanks but 80 pounds can be spent on better much better things.

IMHO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As the old saying goes. “If you’re not paying for the product, then you are the product.”

All the single ladies who enjoy the free or reduced entry are nothing more than stock to sone clubs books. That’s the business model for some clubs.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

People have raised the issue of behaviour of single males in clubs. For my 2p pence from experience (as a single guy and part of a couple this is a problem everywhere) predominantly trouble and uncomfortable experiences are caused by a few single guys. Granted not restricted to single guys (I'm sure we all have a few stories about couples and single ladies) but predominantly from single guys.

Now there is a theory that eye watering memberships and waiting lists help out those that will behave badly. In my experience this can improve the quality of behaviour compared to some places. However only to a certain amount not anywhere as much as you'd hope.

From experience the main factor on behaviour seems to be how a club is managed, the vibe and the type of people that club seems to attract. After all people are to some extent pack creatures and will adapt behaviour to vibe/environment or more cynically what they feel they can get away with unchallenged. In my experience price has little over all affect (although it may have some).

So I don't think you can justify high prices for single men as a effective behaviour performance measure.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"As the old saying goes. “If you’re not paying for the product, then you are the product.”

All the single ladies who enjoy the free or reduced entry are nothing more than stock to sone clubs books. That’s the business model for some clubs.

"

I agree cynically and pragmatically. These are the realities and it's perfectly valid for clubs to try and engineer a mix that works best for everyone. Likewise we shouldn't shame women or look down on them for chosing what works best for them.

I would like to also challenge a perception that clubs with free/super low price entry for women = a sausage fest and worse behaviour or tolerance of behaviour. A club I go to if Free for single ladies every night (couples and men charged the same entry). It is a nice, safe, friendly club. It's well attended by single ladies (across a broad age range) but I think a lot of that is to do with the safety and vibe of the club more than it is to do with the price. If the club was horrible and full of creeps those ladies simply wouldn't attend despite being free. It's a place I'm happy for my other half to go alone because I know she'll be safe and looked after. If it wasn't safe and friendly she wouldn't go whether the entry was £20 or free.

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

Basic economics. Even Kwarteng could have planned this one.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the simple answer is if you can't afford your hobby get a new one.

Anyone with any business sense will realise that you can make a small fortune running a club, you just need to start with a large one!

It would only take one court case which, if the club lost, would cause the death of lots of them.

1 Equal pricing

2 Clubs become a sausage fest

3 Couples and single women stop attending

4 Men stop attending because no women attend

5 Club dies"

I get your point, but I don't buy it.

It's perfectly legal for clubs to limit numbers of men/women/couples as they see fit to maintain a good mix of attendees so the only reason they could ever be a sausage fest is because the management chose not to do this.

There's also plenty of evidence from research in microeconomic behaviour that the more people pay for something up front, the more entitled they feel to take advantage (ethically or otherwise) of whatever might be on offer. As a result, there's a good chance that charging men extra is actually making the problem of poor behaviour worse by increasing the sense of entitlement that some men will feel.

To remain revenue-neutral the price would need to rise a bit for women and couples while falling a bit for single men. If for example it became £20 per person for an event then that's still a very cheap night out and if you can't persuade people to shell out then your club must be pretty awful. Is it really the case that some of these venues and events are so bad that women will only attend if it's free? If that's the case then the scene would be better off without these places.

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By *ersephoneHadesCouple
over a year ago

Wakefield

While I can see the unfairness, it’s the only way this really works as single men outnumber couples/women while the majority seem to be looking for couples/single women. That and a lot of single men ruin it for the others bigtime. I would gladly pay 2-3x more every time if it meant couples and single women only. On those nights everyone has been respectful and they have been wonderful evenings.

At the same club, we went for a meet where all others except for couple we were meeting were men that could be our grandparents and they followed us around like we were pieces of meat in a live porno, made sure no private rooms were available and stood wanking at the doorway in pack after hearing we were uncomfortable.

At another club we had a single guy chilling with us and another couple and he drank too much and suddenly started threatening one of the other women.

So yes it sucks paying more, but a lot of clubs are cancelling/reducing their couples/women only and we like to have our fun without being followed and creeped on by the bad ones.

We have met a couple of excellent single men but very outnumbered so far…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the simple answer is if you can't afford your hobby get a new one.

Anyone with any business sense will realise that you can make a small fortune running a club, you just need to start with a large one!

It would only take one court case which, if the club lost, would cause the death of lots of them.

1 Equal pricing

2 Clubs become a sausage fest

3 Couples and single women stop attending

4 Men stop attending because no women attend

5 Club dies

I get your point, but I don't buy it.

It's perfectly legal for clubs to limit numbers of men/women/couples as they see fit to maintain a good mix of attendees so the only reason they could ever be a sausage fest is because the management chose not to do this.

***There's also plenty of evidence from research in microeconomic behaviour that the more people pay for something up front, the more entitled they feel to take advantage (ethically or otherwise) of whatever might be on offer. As a result, there's a good chance that charging men extra is actually making the problem of poor behaviour worse by increasing the sense of entitlement that some men will feel.***

To remain revenue-neutral the price would need to rise a bit for women and couples while falling a bit for single men. If for example it became £20 per person for an event then that's still a very cheap night out and if you can't persuade people to shell out then your club must be pretty awful. Is it really the case that some of these venues and events are so bad that women will only attend if it's free? If that's the case then the scene would be better off without these places."

***

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

people saying single men cause problems well in all my years of going to clubs all over the uk its not the single guy thats the problem most of the time ..its the male half of some couples who belive becauxe they are part of a couple thet they have some sort of entitlement /right's to do as please ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people saying single men cause problems well in all my years of going to clubs all over the uk its not the single guy thats the problem most of the time ..its the male half of some couples who belive becauxe they are part of a couple thet they have some sort of entitlement /right's to do as please ...

"

True. Also the pissed up wives getting irate when their husband looks at another woman's tits.

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By *achel SmythTV/TS
over a year ago

Farnborough


"I think we all understand the reasons clubs do this but as an intellectual exercise I would be curious to know the result if anyone ever took the effort to challenge it legally. I was fairly sure you weren’t technically allowed to do that these days ?

And as for the the charging Cis women different from trans …. well that just screams to me that I wouldn’t be welcome there anyway so I’d be passing on by anyway. Good to know that up front I guess "

I’m with you on this Jamie.

I have seen ‘bi-nights’ advertised where I would be charged the same as a man …. clearly they either don’t get it, or probably don’t welcome ‘us’ anyway.

I spend a huge amount of time getting ready, to look my best, and present as a woman. Being a protected characteristic, by law I should be treated as such. It seems bizarre that shops like M&S and Tesco treat me fully as a woman when I visit them … yet venues who pro-port to be for the LGBTQ community don’t.

I would avoid them too.

R x

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Next, you lot will be complaining about couples and the single ladies-only nights being discriminatory it's all simply economics get over it.

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By *xposedInTheSunCouple
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire


"Next, you lot will be complaining about couples and the single ladies-only nights being discriminatory it's all simply economics get over it."

I'm afraid that argument doesn't really hold water, because there's always a "justification" for discrimination.

I think it's more arguable to say that this is actually in the interest of single guys. If you could somehow ask all the guys attending whether they would all pay a little bit more to try and attract more couples by subsidising them, I think they'd generally say yes. Well, depending how much it was.

I think as Frontier Psychologist has said, it's not really about money. It's about treating single men as equally important customers. Which sort of implies not exploiting them financially.

So a good club will limit single males, will ban problem attendees, will make all attendees feel equally important, and may charge single males a bit more.

But then charging a single male the same as a couple is already double per person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Got to say the club I go to as really lovely with all who go there and the single gentleman are treated nice by the host she talks and looks after her Guest's male female and so on and seen it with my own eyes and been going around 8 months now

Hope that helps.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"people saying single men cause problems well in all my years of going to clubs all over the uk its not the single guy thats the problem most of the time ..its the male half of some couples who belive becauxe they are part of a couple thet they have some sort of entitlement /right's to do as please ...

"

I agree and disagree with this. I hate saying this as I don't want to throw us men under the bus but objectively through experience the problem tends to be men (single or not). Granted there's been times when it's been a woman out of order but it disproportionately men. I totally agree on your point about men in couples (I/we experienced this too) but seen plenty of problematic single guys too. Especially seen that some guys in couples tend to have a feeling of extra entitlement. But I can't agree that I've never seen plenty of bad behaviour from single guys. And I suppose this becomes apparent when I'm at couples night with My Girl. I do see on the whole less worrying behaviours from guys and I can drop my guard a bit and enjoyed the night a bit more care free than I can when there's single guys floating about. Although granted maybe guys in couples may make advances and act in a different way towards single ladies than they would a couple (I will ask My Girl about her solo experiences regarding guys from couples).

I find this really disappointing about the scene because a few bad guys reflects on us all. And even more selfishly speaking a few bad guys spoil it for me personally. Its hard to fully let go and enjoy myself when I'm having to worry about the behaviour of some of the guys and what they'll do next because I have to keep an eye out for My Girl and others. So dodgy guys do really affect my enjoyment too. And sometimes even more disappointingly you get to know a guy a bit and thinks oh, he's a good one and later on he pulls some right out of order shit.

Not to say sometimes women aren't the problem (I/we've seen that over the years). But in general it's mostly a few guys that are the problem. Where we disagree is I'd say its more single guys than male halves. I also understand sometimes the problem is simple miscommunication or misjudgement or just lack of experience in going about things. Everyone gets things wrong or is guilty of a faux pas now and then in this scene. But sadly there are guys that do know what they're doing is wrong or creepy but still actively chose their search for gratification over the enjoyment and safety of others.

But I maintain my point that the behaviour and/or type of guy you get in a club has more to do with how it's managed and its vibe than it does with entry prices for guys.

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"Next, you lot will be complaining about couples and the single ladies-only nights being discriminatory it's all simply economics get over it.

I'm afraid that argument doesn't really hold water, because there's always a "justification" for discrimination.

I think it's more arguable to say that this is actually in the interest of single guys. If you could somehow ask all the guys attending whether they would all pay a little bit more to try and attract more couples by subsidising them, I think they'd generally say yes. Well, depending how much it was.

I think as Frontier Psychologist has said, it's not really about money. It's about treating single men as equally important customers. Which sort of implies not exploiting them financially.

So a good club will limit single males, will ban problem attendees, will make all attendees feel equally important, and may charge single males a bit more.

But then charging a single male the same as a couple is already double per person."

I agree with your points, but would like to say, that I primarily visit clubs with the hope of meeting single ladies.…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Next, you lot will be complaining about couples and the single ladies-only nights being discriminatory it's all simply economics get over it.

I'm afraid that argument doesn't really hold water, because there's always a "justification" for discrimination.

I think it's more arguable to say that this is actually in the interest of single guys. If you could somehow ask all the guys attending whether they would all pay a little bit more to try and attract more couples by subsidising them, I think they'd generally say yes. Well, depending how much it was.

I think as Frontier Psychologist has said, it's not really about money. It's about treating single men as equally important customers. Which sort of implies not exploiting them financially.

So a good club will limit single males, will ban problem attendees, will make all attendees feel equally important, and may charge single males a bit more.

But then charging a single male the same as a couple is already double per person.

I agree with your points, but would like to say, that I primarily visit clubs with the hope of meeting single ladies.… "

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By *hirdTimesACharmCouple
over a year ago

northamptonshire

People saying that single men shouldn’t pay double obviously have never had the “joy” of the wanking dead following you around like a mindless horde. The way it is works very very well. As someone above mentioned, if you don’t like it, keep moving. Not that deep really

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By *ose and her beastCouple
over a year ago

Watford

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By *ose and her beastCouple
over a year ago

Watford

There are less couples and more men simple supply and demand issue don't like it don't pay it

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"People saying that single men shouldn’t pay double obviously have never had the “joy” of the wanking dead following you around like a mindless horde. The way it is works very very well. As someone above mentioned, if you don’t like it, keep moving. Not that deep really "

Definitely this

We've stopped going to clubs where single males are allowed, couples only venues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could you imagine if single men could get in at the same price as single women?

The place would be overrun with horny men once word got out and nobody would have a good time, people stop coming and the club closes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's supply and demand. Single women and couples are harder to entice to these events. I've been to events where I've been followed around the room by single dudes and it's uncomfortable.

A price gap prevents that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People saying that single men shouldn’t pay double obviously have never had the “joy” of the wanking dead following you around like a mindless horde. The way it is works very very well. As someone above mentioned, if you don’t like it, keep moving. Not that deep really "

The club charged them an absolute fortune to get in so they are entitled to watch and have a wank if they want to. They paid for it!

If women and couples don't like having wanking men watching them why don't they pay for a hotel instead of getting cheap entry into a club?

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"Could you imagine if single men could get in at the same price as single women?

The place would be overrun with horny men once word got out and nobody would have a good time, people stop coming and the club closes. "

LOL this is such utterly flawed thinking. Besides, the club can put a cap on drmographic numbers to “balance” things out.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"It's supply and demand. Single women and couples are harder to entice to these events. I've been to events where I've been followed around the room by single dudes and it's uncomfortable.

A price gap prevents that. "

It didn’t prevent it at the events you visited, unless you went to events with equal pricing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would

Love to go to a swingers event as a cross dresser. Is this a common thing?

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By *ukrya1Man
over a year ago

loughborough

Gender pay gap in reverse in my opinion so we can’t complain guys. Although that is wrong also imo

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"I get why they do it but I don't agree with charging men more to come to the same event, it should be equal across the board."

Some women never swing or play and use it as a free nightclub. Is that not explotation as well?

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

People keep mentioning supply and demand as if singlen men are the only entities on the planet that get horny and look to attend clubs. Just a stereotypically lazy assertion that isn’t based in reality.

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By *hirdTimesACharmCouple
over a year ago

northamptonshire

All I’m seeing is people crying about the price difference.

Theres a simple answer to all the bitching; don’t go to clubs.

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By *unmatt888Man
over a year ago

Duns


"I pay a lot of money for, lingery, stockings, hair and make up ect. Our local club is an 3 hour round trip. Costing us £80 by the you factor petrol, entrance and food on the way home. "

Am I the only one a little confused by the concept that single men don’t need food or petrol?

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"I pay a lot of money for, lingery, stockings, hair and make up ect. Our local club is an 3 hour round trip. Costing us £80 by the you factor petrol, entrance and food on the way home.

Am I the only one a little confused by the concept that single men don’t need food or petrol?"

I wouldn’t worry, the post you quoted made no sense, with zero correlation.

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By *harAndBryCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough / Stamford


"Would love to go to a swingers event as a cross dresser. Is this a common thing? "

Of the clubs we've been to, all but one seemed to be very relaxed and welcoming of everyone. We've seen plenty of cross dressers and had a very nice play with one at VA just the other week.

(Bry)

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"There are less couples and more men simple supply and demand issue don't like it don't pay it "

…..and even fewer single ladies, so for me, even less of a draw

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"People keep mentioning supply and demand as if singlen men are the only entities on the planet that get horny and look to attend clubs. Just a stereotypically lazy assertion that isn’t based in reality."

I don't think you get supply and demand then.

Club events are indeed for horny people. However, the supply of horny men is higher than the supply of horny women and couples.

The demand for horny men by that smaller number of women and couples and by their fellow horny men is lower than the demand for horny men.

That's what pushes the price up. So it is very much is supply and demand.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"All I’m seeing is people crying about the price difference.

Theres a simple answer to all the bitching; don’t go to clubs. "

There are two other options as well:

Start your own events and sort out your own pricing. See what works for you.

Go a gay sauna. Everybody pays the same and you get the kind of male:female ratio you would get at a club that charged the same.

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

I do wonder whether the pricing difference is a good thing. It not only limits the type of men who go...leaving some good guys unable to attend...but I also noticed (on my limited number of visits) a degree of entitlement that may be a part of a "I paid loads of money so I will get sex".

Or maybe that was my imagination.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"People keep mentioning supply and demand as if singlen men are the only entities on the planet that get horny and look to attend clubs. Just a stereotypically lazy assertion that isn’t based in reality.

I don't think you get supply and demand then.

Club events are indeed for horny people. However, the supply of horny men is higher than the supply of horny women and couples.

The demand for horny men by that smaller number of women and couples and by their fellow horny men is lower than the demand for horny men.

That's what pushes the price up. So it is very much is supply and demand. "

LOLno,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do wonder whether the pricing difference is a good thing. It not only limits the type of men who go...leaving some good guys unable to attend...but I also noticed (on my limited number of visits) a degree of entitlement that may be a part of a "I paid loads of money so I will get sex".

Or maybe that was my imagination.

"

It's not your imagination, it happens. The clubs generally don't care because they already got their money.

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By *S chanel demarTV/TS
over a year ago

peterborough

Lol, love this, fair points made.

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By *sLillyMrWolfeCouple
over a year ago

near you...


"The women and couples are sex bait. The men pay stupid prices for the sniff of sex and the club gets the proceeds of sex for money."

This plus they know that men can and will pay that extra. Clubs survive due to basic biology and male privilege; see also strip joints. Mx

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By *ovelyLady21Couple
over a year ago

Bury St Edmunds

Fascinating discussion and we can understand both main points of view, both for and against differential pricing.

From our point of view we generally go to clubs to meet single guys rather than couples, so the quality (for want of a better word) of guys that attend is the most important thing to us. We’d be very happy to pay the same, or even more, than single guys to attend clubs that attract the sort of singles that we are interested in (there are two of us after all).

To our mind, if a club limits the number of single guys that can attend on any particular night then they are at liberty to charge them more than those whose numbers aren’t limited (single women and couples). If they have 10 places for single men and 30 want to attend then it’s a sellers market and they can set the price accordingly.

If, on the other hand, the night is open to all, with no limit on numbers of any one group then the pricing should be equal across all groups, and arguably double for couples.

There is no right or wrong answer to this, but at the end of the day Clubs are businesses and need to maximise their income streams wherever they can in order to survive in these difficult times. As such, the pricing plans that they have in place are presumably those that work for each individual establishment. And, as with any other ‘product, the consumer can choose to either pay for that product, shop elsewhere (a different club) or keep their money in their pocket.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So I was recently considering going back to a swingers event. There's one that runs regularly in my home town.

Although my last couple of visits to these were not great I did have some fun experiences when I first went along few years back.

However seeing that the price difference for single men is between £30-£40 more expensive then for single ladies or couples I decided I can make better use of my money.

Also the fact that on their tickets page they felt they had to specify that single tickets for women were only for cis women also didn't sit quite right with me.

Whilst I will accept some price difference for single men more than double the price seems ridiculous.

I know some people will say it's to keep the idiots away and yes I appreciate I'm still not user verified since coming back on here yet. But honestly I think asking me to pay double price is just stupid.

Maybe I've been spoilt by attending events in the BDSM & Fetish world where it's equal pricing for all!

So to finish a long initial post I'm genuinely curious what do people think of pricing difference based on gender?

Curious to hear what ladies and couples think as well not just other single guys like myself "

Supply and demand! They are running business's not youth clubs.

Don't like it, don't go!

Quite simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's also plenty of evidence from research in microeconomic behaviour that the more people pay for something up front, the more entitled they feel to take advantage (ethically or otherwise) of whatever might be on offer. As a result, there's a good chance that charging men extra is actually making the problem of poor behaviour worse by increasing the sense of entitlement that some men will feel.

"

Bingo! Hit the nail on the head there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cupids ad

Couples £30

Single ladies £5

Single guys (very limited) £30

Please add you’re names to the list

Just found this same prices for guys and couples"

Except it isn't really is it, because couples are getting in for £15 per person

So men are being charged 6 times the price women are and twice the price (per person) of a couple.

And it's illegal - as per my earlier post

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria


"Cupids ad

Couples £30

Single ladies £5

Single guys (very limited) £30

Please add you’re names to the list

Just found this same prices for guys and couples

Except it isn't really is it, because couples are getting in for £15 per person

So men are being charged 6 times the price women are and twice the price (per person) of a couple.

And it's illegal - as per my earlier post"

But my friend couples more outgoings at home ..

More water electricity and council tax to name just 3.

Oh and no ones going just for the guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cupids ad

Couples £30

Single ladies £5

Single guys (very limited) £30

Please add you’re names to the list

Just found this same prices for guys and couples

Except it isn't really is it, because couples are getting in for £15 per person

So men are being charged 6 times the price women are and twice the price (per person) of a couple.

And it's illegal - as per my earlier post

But my friend couples more outgoings at home ..

More water electricity and council tax to name just 3.

Oh and no ones going just for the guys."

I've heard it all now!! Men should pay more to get a sniff of sex because couples pay higher gas and electric bills!

Hmmmm but they have 2 wages and a single man has 1 wage.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria


"Cupids ad

Couples £30

Single ladies £5

Single guys (very limited) £30

Please add you’re names to the list

Just found this same prices for guys and couples

Except it isn't really is it, because couples are getting in for £15 per person

So men are being charged 6 times the price women are and twice the price (per person) of a couple.

And it's illegal - as per my earlier post

But my friend couples more outgoings at home ..

More water electricity and council tax to name just 3.

Oh and no ones going just for the guys.

I've heard it all now!! Men should pay more to get a sniff of sex because couples pay higher gas and electric bills!

Hmmmm but they have 2 wages and a single man has 1 wage.

"

Many couples will make less than single men on their own!

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

This convo had jumped the shark already

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By *assy LassieWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"Cupids ad

Couples £30

Single ladies £5

Single guys (very limited) £30

Please add you’re names to the list

Just found this same prices for guys and couples

Except it isn't really is it, because couples are getting in for £15 per person

So men are being charged 6 times the price women are and twice the price (per person) of a couple.

And it's illegal - as per my earlier post

But my friend couples more outgoings at home ..

More water electricity and council tax to name just 3.

Oh and no ones going just for the guys.

I've heard it all now!! Men should pay more to get a sniff of sex because couples pay higher gas and electric bills!

Hmmmm but they have 2 wages and a single man has 1 wage.

Many couples will make less than single men on their own!"

Really

Single men or single women have 1 wage coming in. So youbare saying we potentially make more double what 1 half of a couple earns.

Minimum wage is roughly 19000 per annum that's 38000 per year for a couple. Not taking into account child benefit or tax credits.

Minimum wage for the single guy is therefore 19000. With no entitlement to other benefits to top up earnings. So the savings of being single on council tax etc will, in your opinion be in excess of 19000 making the single person better off. Give your head a wobble.

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"

Oh and no ones going just for the guys."

At last; someone being honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The best advice I have read on this thread is "if you don't like how us single men are charged, then don't go".

I was given this advice, and it was good advice.

IMHO single guys are the most needed group, and without those guys who pay the high most likely against the law prices, clubs would struggle and close.

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By *aulaxd2020TV/TS
over a year ago

Dudley


"I just put a dress or skirt on and save myself a fortune! "
some folk will do anything to save a few quid.... seriously the cost of getting glammed up properly is an expensive hobby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The best advice I have read on this thread is "if you don't like how us single men are charged, then don't go".

I was given this advice, and it was good advice.

IMHO single guys are the most needed group, and without those guys who pay the high most likely against the law prices, clubs would struggle and close."

Indeed. And yet so many of the couples and women who got in for cheap still treat the men badly, even though they are paying for their night out.

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"The best advice I have read on this thread is "if you don't like how us single men are charged, then don't go".

I was given this advice, and it was good advice.

IMHO single guys are the most needed group, and without those guys who pay the high most likely against the law prices, clubs would struggle and close.

Indeed. And yet so many of the couples and women who got in for cheap still treat the men badly, even though they are paying for their night out."

Not forgetting the hosts who don’t give a toss once they’ve had your money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The best advice I have read on this thread is "if you don't like how us single men are charged, then don't go".

I was given this advice, and it was good advice.

IMHO single guys are the most needed group, and without those guys who pay the high most likely against the law prices, clubs would struggle and close.

Indeed. And yet so many of the couples and women who got in for cheap still treat the men badly, even though they are paying for their night out."

To tell the truth I will never know as I took the advice, I do not like to be discriminated against, I do not like the prices, and from some of the comments I have read why would I want to be seen as wanking dead, seen as a creep or just desperate nah I will keep my cash for other things as I am not desperate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The best advice I have read on this thread is "if you don't like how us single men are charged, then don't go".

I was given this advice, and it was good advice.

IMHO single guys are the most needed group, and without those guys who pay the high most likely against the law prices, clubs would struggle and close.

Indeed. And yet so many of the couples and women who got in for cheap still treat the men badly, even though they are paying for their night out.

Not forgetting the hosts who don’t give a toss once they’ve had your money "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The best advice I have read on this thread is "if you don't like how us single men are charged, then don't go".

I was given this advice, and it was good advice.

IMHO single guys are the most needed group, and without those guys who pay the high most likely against the law prices, clubs would struggle and close.

Indeed. And yet so many of the couples and women who got in for cheap still treat the men badly, even though they are paying for their night out.

To tell the truth I will never know as I took the advice, I do not like to be discriminated against, I do not like the prices, and from some of the comments I have read why would I want to be seen as wanking dead, seen as a creep or just desperate nah I will keep my cash for other things as I am not desperate."

Some women and couples are decent and see men as human beings. Don't blame you though.

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By *hirdTimesACharmCouple
over a year ago

northamptonshire

Still so much crying in this thread haha

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"Cupids ad

Couples £30

Single ladies £5

Single guys (very limited) £30

Please add you’re names to the list

Just found this same prices for guys and couples

Except it isn't really is it, because couples are getting in for £15 per person

So men are being charged 6 times the price women are and twice the price (per person) of a couple.

And it's illegal - as per my earlier post

But my friend couples more outgoings at home ..

More water electricity and council tax to name just 3.

Oh and no ones going just for the guys.

I've heard it all now!! Men should pay more to get a sniff of sex because couples pay higher gas and electric bills!

Hmmmm but they have 2 wages and a single man has 1 wage.

"

does a single guy have the same wagesand bills than single women?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

When I think back to being a single guy on the swinging scene (20 years ago) we used to spend £80-£100 on a night out without giving it another thought. More if it was an 'away' fixture where you needed hotels etc.

Like I said earlier, if you can't afford it get a new hobby.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"When I think back to being a single guy on the swinging scene (20 years ago) we used to spend £80-£100 on a night out without giving it another thought. More if it was an 'away' fixture where you needed hotels etc.

Like I said earlier, if you can't afford it get a new hobby."

Hot broke guys welcome here…..

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith


"When I think back to being a single guy on the swinging scene (20 years ago) we used to spend £80-£100 on a night out without giving it another thought. More if it was an 'away' fixture where you needed hotels etc.

Like I said earlier, if you can't afford it get a new hobby."

The OP's question was what people opinions are of the inbalance of the gender-biased pricing structures swinger clubs have in place, not can people afford to pay the prices.

I don't mind paying for anything in life, so long as I feel like I've had value for my money. In the case of visiting a swinger club as a single guy, all I ask is to be made to feel welcome, leave with a smile on my face, and have the desire to return. As my experiences have proved, these three things are not guaranteed from any club....

And no, I don't feel entitled or expect sex on any visit....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When I think back to being a single guy on the swinging scene (20 years ago) we used to spend £80-£100 on a night out without giving it another thought. More if it was an 'away' fixture where you needed hotels etc.

Like I said earlier, if you can't afford it get a new hobby."

Why, why, why, Would I go to a club, I can more than afford the prices, but why would I pay admission to meet people who like to put me down for my opinions, as I said my cash is better spent elsewhere. IMHO

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By *aptain19725Man
over a year ago

Peterborough


"I pay a lot of money for, lingery, stockings, hair and make up ect. Our local club is an 3 hour round trip. Costing us £80 by the you factor petrol, entrance and food on the way home.

Men just turn up, wrap a towel round. If your lucky they flop their knobb in the sink before arriving.

Yes, I think there should be a differance. "

Well men also have to travel and buy new clothes etc sounds like your meeting some dodgy people if you think all men do is turn up your wrong

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By *aptain19725Man
over a year ago

Peterborough

Amazing every aspect of life is to treat people fairly and not be sexist and not have different prices for m or f except for clubs and the sex industry and then all those rules go out of the window. Men always have and always will be the cash cow until women are brave enough to look at sex as sex and not a relationship. All women are in control all the time unfortunately men are now just a weak toy for women to pick up and drop when they choose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men should pay more than couples and single women tho. Clubs need women and couples in, there is no shortage of men. (Well decent men there is).

Do agree double the price is a bit much sometimes. In the North of England it's not to bad the prices to get in and membership.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go to your local, have a pint, cheeky wank (at home) and wait for it all to blow over.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


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I don't mind paying for anything in life, so long as I feel like I've had value for my money. In the case of visiting a swinger club as a single guy, all I ask is to be made to feel welcome, leave with a smile on my face, and have the desire to return. As my experiences have proved, these three things are not guaranteed from any club....

And no, I don't feel entitled or expect sex on any visit.... "

Single men don't have a monopoly on this though, we've been to club's that we wouldn't go back to.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

We attend many fetish events often held in swingers clubs and every single one charges a flat entry fee for everyone .they are bussy with both sexes and never seem to have problems with single males .we have noticed that every time a new event comes along and attempts differential pricing they are quickly pressured to change by thier potential customers on forums etc .there are just as many thirsty males on fetish sites so why the better behavior

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"We attend many fetish events often held in swingers clubs and every single one charges a flat entry fee for everyone .they are bussy with both sexes and never seem to have problems with single males .we have noticed that every time a new event comes along and attempts differential pricing they are quickly pressured to change by thier potential customers on forums etc .there are just as many thirsty males on fetish sites so why the better behavior "

In my experience you dont get as many wanking dead in a bdsm club, there will always be a few.

I think getting their bellend caught by the backswing puts them off

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