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"I don't think anyone would describe stag/vixen as a mild version of cuckolding. They are both about your wife being with others but come from completely different bases and have very different dynamics. A cuckold is submissive to his wife and will enjoy the humiliation of his wife with other men. A stag is dominant to the submissive vixen and enjoys sharing her, in some cases the vixen will enjoy the humiliation of being shared. The emotions involved and subsequent scenes of both are very very different It is true that every couple has a slightly different dynamic, and is unique so it's good to understand what it is that drives them. Mixing up these two will probably end up in a pretty bad evening for everyone involved!" I wasn't aware of stag & vixen being a Dom/Sub thing, I was under the impression it was more of an equal thing, although I do admit I'm not a fan of labels so hadn't particuarly looked into it but from what I had heard thought that best described my husband & I, we can scrub that now as I'm definitely no one's sub ![]() | |||
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"Very very different. Stag by the simple definition of the word signifies a certain dominance which is polar opposite to cuckold. Completely understand stag and vixen but can't get my head around cuckold. It wouldn't do if we were all the same though " Thin dividing line. Both labels see the chap watching his partner with other chaps with varying degrees of intensity? | |||
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"The trouble with labels is that not everyone understands the same definition of each label. " Exactly why I used the word labels. The recreational sex community is fixated with labels! | |||
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"I don't think anyone would describe stag/vixen as a mild version of cuckolding. They are both about your wife being with others but come from completely different bases and have very different dynamics. I agreeget confused with these so called labels and people having to fit in to categories A cuckold is submissive to his wife and will enjoy the humiliation of his wife with other men. A stag is dominant to the submissive vixen and enjoys sharing her, in some cases the vixen will enjoy the humiliation of being shared. The emotions involved and subsequent scenes of both are very very different It is true that every couple has a slightly different dynamic, and is unique so it's good to understand what it is that drives them. Mixing up these two will probably end up in a pretty bad evening for everyone involved! I wasn't aware of stag & vixen being a Dom/Sub thing, I was under the impression it was more of an equal thing, although I do admit I'm not a fan of labels so hadn't particuarly looked into it but from what I had heard thought that best described my husband & I, we can scrub that now as I'm definitely no one's sub ![]() I agree with you Boobyextremelyhotwife! I get so confused with all these labels these days, and having to fit in to some kind of category. Stag, cuckold, vixen, unicorn, orc, hobbit, wookie. Ework. Centaur. It's hard to choose which one really suits me ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I don't think anyone would describe stag/vixen as a mild version of cuckolding. They are both about your wife being with others but come from completely different bases and have very different dynamics. A cuckold is submissive to his wife and will enjoy the humiliation of his wife with other men. A stag is dominant to the submissive vixen and enjoys sharing her, in some cases the vixen will enjoy the humiliation of being shared. The emotions involved and subsequent scenes of both are very very different It is true that every couple has a slightly different dynamic, and is unique so it's good to understand what it is that drives them. Mixing up these two will probably end up in a pretty bad evening for everyone involved! I wasn't aware of stag & vixen being a Dom/Sub thing, I was under the impression it was more of an equal thing, although I do admit I'm not a fan of labels so hadn't particuarly looked into it but from what I had heard thought that best described my husband & I, we can scrub that now as I'm definitely no one's sub ![]() Everyone's different and I think labels are good for some people to give an idea, but obviously when you're actually together they're completely useless. And then some people don't fit any. My comment on the sub thing is more to show the different dynamic, I'd expect some couples to describe themselves as vixens without being sub, but can't imagine the same of cucks | |||
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"We are a Stag/Vixen couple Mr C loves to offer me for other people's pleasure and I get so turned on knowing he is getting a kick from it The reclaim is immense when he joins in the fun ![]() But him indoors likes to offer you. Is that not somewhat submissive? | |||
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"We are a Stag/Vixen couple Mr C loves to offer me for other people's pleasure and I get so turned on knowing he is getting a kick from it The reclaim is immense when he joins in the fun ![]() Depends on the dynamic of the relationship. The stag could, for example, direct the other guy. Labelling is useful but you gotta discuss the fine details within. | |||
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"stag and vixen is a hotwife couple nothing to do with cuckolding tho there is a thin line between the two at times" You don't have to be a wife to be a Vixen. A Vixen dosn't play alone like a hot wife dose. You can also have an Alpha cuckold. | |||
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"The trouble with labels is that not everyone understands the same definition of each label. " This! The definition of each term seems be be individual for each couple, different boundaries and aims depending on their dynamic. For us, Stag and Vixen is an equal partnership, I love seeing Vixen being confident, bold and sexual and revel in seeing that version of her. There's no powerplay in it for us. We both enjoy seeing and sharing each others pleasure, which is why were here! | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck " that bit was aimed at no one just my thoughts | |||
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"We are a Stag/Vixen couple Mr C loves to offer me for other people's pleasure and I get so turned on knowing he is getting a kick from it The reclaim is immense when he joins in the fun ![]() You've hit the nail on the head with regards to the dynamic I offer Miss P for other people's pleasure yet I'm still the Dom in this relationship For me being Dom is a about being in control not in a cruel of my sub And yes I do direct others on how to use my sub for mine and her pleasure | |||
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"Stag and vixen. Cuckolding is based on power dynamics of relationship. If it is fem driven, it is cuckolding. In case power is more from both sides it is stag vixen. This is how we see it" This is how we describe ourselves as Stag and Vixen. | |||
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"We are stag and vixen which is nothing like cuckold at all. I will generally look and be involved in the chats with another, I’ll have a say in what C wears, what the play session will be like…but ultimately it’s C choice. The extra person(s) will have their say too. We are all involved. There’s no D/s element or there doesn’t need to be. I’ll watch and I’ll join in and try and create a sexy environment, so I’m very much involved in it all. K " This is also us. | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples" So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly? | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly?" Oh dear ![]() | |||
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"I don't think anyone would describe stag/vixen as a mild version of cuckolding. They are both about your wife being with others but come from completely different bases and have very different dynamics. A cuckold is submissive to his wife and will enjoy the humiliation of his wife with other men. A stag is dominant to the submissive vixen and enjoys sharing her, in some cases the vixen will enjoy the humiliation of being shared. The emotions involved and subsequent scenes of both are very very different It is true that every couple has a slightly different dynamic, and is unique so it's good to understand what it is that drives them. Mixing up these two will probably end up in a pretty bad evening for everyone involved!" Thats a very big ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly? Oh dear ![]() Why o dear I was just trying to make head of tail of the previous post? | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly? Oh dear ![]() We were wondering why the "oh dear" as well. It seemed like a perfectly reasonable explanation to us! | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly? Oh dear ![]() Most of the posts from people who involve this dynamic in their play have commented on the individual and specific nature of what they enjoy. Trying to boil it down to statements like 'cucks don't please their wives' shows a lack of empathy for that dynamic. As I understand it, the real pleasure in all of these dynamics is between the couple, with any additional parties acting as catalysts. Stag and Vixen for us, is about confidence in our relationship, enjoying each others pleasure and deriving our own from that connection. That said, we didn't understand it until we started experimenting with it! | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly? Oh dear ![]() If you took the time to read the thread properly and my previous comments on the inappropriate use of labels you will see my summary was actually posing a question to a contributor who tried to categorise a very complex relationship issue into 3 boxes. Dear Me | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly? Oh dear ![]() Genuine apology, I was guilty of scanning and didn't read the thread. | |||
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"Alpha cuckold is nonsense the very definition of cuck is a zillion miles from alpha ... some people like to make names up to try and confuse or to stand out different ... its like saying im a dominant sub ?? erm ok thats a head fuck cuckold is easy its a long term couple where the wife of the cuck plays with others for sexual satisfaction a cuck is the longterm partnern of that said woman ... anything else is in the hotwife mold or the sub/dom mode no confusions if your a hubby that likes your wife going off with other men and then she comes home and you then please her then you are in the hotwife /stag vixen group cucks do not please there wives hence they go elsewhere ..the lines cant really be blurred.. alot of cuckold couples on here are not cuckold they are simply hotwife couples So in summary Cucks don’t please their wives. Hubbys whose wives go off for sex with other men and come back to be pleased by him indoors are hot wives. Couples who play together involving full or voyeuristic participation are stag Vixen types? Have I interpreted that correctly? Oh dear ![]() No problem enjoy your day | |||
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"Using the terminology here I'd say we are more Stag/Vixen, though we stay away from generalized labels as they mean different things to different people. Its interesting to hear others thoughts though ![]() As a single guy, it’s going to have to be stag here ![]() | |||
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"I don't think anyone would describe stag/vixen as a mild version of cuckolding. They are both about your wife being with others but come from completely different bases and have very different dynamics. A cuckold is submissive to his wife and will enjoy the humiliation of his wife with other men. A stag is dominant to the submissive vixen and enjoys sharing her, in some cases the vixen will enjoy the humiliation of being shared. The emotions involved and subsequent scenes of both are very very different It is true that every couple has a slightly different dynamic, and is unique so it's good to understand what it is that drives them. Mixing up these two will probably end up in a pretty bad evening for everyone involved!" Not sure if this is correct, but 100% applies to us. | |||
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"The trouble with labels is that not everyone understands the same definition of each label. This! The definition of each term seems be be individual for each couple, different boundaries and aims depending on their dynamic. For us, Stag and Vixen is an equal partnership, I love seeing Vixen being confident, bold and sexual and revel in seeing that version of her. There's no powerplay in it for us. We both enjoy seeing and sharing each others pleasure, which is why were here!" Absolutely this! Everyone seems to agree that cuckold is characterised by some degree of D/s dynamic and this is emphatically not the case in our play with single guys - it's about an equal partnership as described by Moose and Vixen. Part of the problem is that the terms 'hotwife' and 'hotwifing' can be quite generic and do not imply a specific play dynamic. We probably need a venn diagram... ![]() | |||
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