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"And here is my 2nd post By Special_Chick Woman 17 hours ago Birmingham This post is not about justifying anything. Neither is it about seeking validation or approval of my views as anyone with half a brain cell should know. I know people see it differently from me & I was sort of hoping they'd tell us why? Just as I did in my OP. I still say that I don't see the point of getting myself into a moral quagmire over the fidelity of my playmates when swinging is such a fleeting experience. Most of my swinging experiences are for the moment. I'm not particularly interested in the personal lives of my playmates because they'd play no significant part in my life after they leave. I wish everyone well in life but I can't make myself responsible for the consequences of the choices that adults make. If a man makes a conscious decision to be unfaithful, fully understanding the risks to his monogamous relationship, that's a matter for him, his partner & who or whatever he calls God, if he has one. It's got nothing to do with me. In other words, whether it is with me, another swinger or a prostitute, a man who has decided to stray will do so. So what good will it have done me, or the man's marriage, if I pass up an opportunity for great sex, if he meets with someone else next week and gets found out? The warm feeling in my heart that I sustained his marriage for an extra week? I fully respect those who make a choice not to meet with cheating swingers, whatever their reasons may be. If you'd rather not risk getting a call from a heartbroken wife, that's a valid reason. Although, I'd never know why a woman who finds herself in that situation will want to call you, when the responsible party is in the same house as her. I just happen to think that life is too short and considering the lifestyle we lead, it's not worth getting into a moral dilemma over someone else's private affairs. " I am responsible for me. Other people are responsible for themselves. You can't force someone to cheat. You can't entice someone into doing something that they don't want to. Why someone would think their cheating partner is 'innocent' and someone else was to blame.... The mind boggles.....!! | |||
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"If you had ever been on the receiving end of a phone call from a guys wife, then you would know exactly why you wouldnt want to ever meet anyone that is cheating ever again. " so long as they dont know your address dont worry, you can hang up and change your number | |||
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"Mark b wrote :- My view is that if you are worried about cheaters either stop swinging or don't ask. After all this site is for sexual meets and if you want to meet someone for that reason then their status is no-one else's business including you...enjoy yourself, and leave their morals to them... Yes this site is for sexual meets in a swinging situation where either the person involved is A a genuinely single person who hasnt the time for a full blown relationship/marriage or B already in a relationship/mariage and has the full knowledge of their partner Swinging is just that simple if some people want to meet others for sex outside of their own relationship then there are other sites designed exactly for that go there and cheat with other cheaters xx " Thankyou...I've just had a message from a woman in the previous thread saying that my comments were selfish and made obviously by a married man. As my profile states I am single and to state that I am a cheater is not called for. I thought my opinion that we are all here for fun was clear. Surely we meet with the same view in mind, and if one party is cheating then that's up to them and their morals...I know we all think differently but that's the view of this SINGLE man | |||
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"All this agro stems from society's current definition of fidelity & prescription of one woman-one man sex partners for life. And I believe these are all dying concepts because they are clearly an unnatural state of affairs. Otherwise they wouldn't constantly be resisted by so many and also in increasing numbers. Love should have little to do with who you sleep with and a lot more to do with other things. Companionship, shared goals & values, shared interests, a desire to start & nurture a family, etc I predict that those couples that are able to liberalise their attitudes towards sex in a relationship, would have a far more sustainable relationship than those who don't." totally agree. I've had a woman contact me although not when I was swinging. I actually told her to talk to her man not me. As it wasn't my problem I don't see it as my fault someone is cheating. Cali | |||
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" If more couples spoke honestly with their own partners about their sex lives instead of the usual fumble under the covers quick bit of pushing shoving then rolling over they may find that both of them are into the idea of uncomplicated sex with likeminded people. Others may just enjoy the thrill of being caught xx " I totally agree with this!! It's just a shame that instead of this people sneak around, lie and deceive their supposed love ones. X | |||
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"I didnt think my cheating partner was innocent when I discovered what he was up to with a person at work, I packed his bags and threw him out. I did however wonder what was going through her mind when she knew damn well he had a girlfriend and an 18 month old baby at home. Maybe she liked the attention, who knows? But I would of asked her given the opportunity. There's plenty of single men in the world and for that reason I choose not to play with attached men. If others choose to that's their decision. I've even had a couple of messages from guys who state they aren't single in their profile, so I've declined and told them why, they seemed surprised so maybe I'm in the minority. Xxx " And they come out with things like 'well I will be single when we meet' Am beginning to also think that single males are a minority and if we are not careful, they will have the upper hand not us women | |||
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"I didnt think my cheating partner was innocent when I discovered what he was up to with a person at work, I packed his bags and threw him out. I did however wonder what was going through her mind when she knew damn well he had a girlfriend and an 18 month old baby at home. Maybe she liked the attention, who knows? But I would of asked her given the opportunity. There's plenty of single men in the world and for that reason I choose not to play with attached men. If others choose to that's their decision. I've even had a couple of messages from guys who state they aren't single in their profile, so I've declined and told them why, they seemed surprised so maybe I'm in the minority. Xxx And they come out with things like 'well I will be single when we meet' Am beginning to also think that single males are a minority and if we are not careful, they will have the upper hand not us women " Upper hand? Should any of us be wanting an upper hand or isn't mutual respect key, not one type above the other...honestly | |||
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"I didnt think my cheating partner was innocent when I discovered what he was up to with a person at work, I packed his bags and threw him out. I did however wonder what was going through her mind when she knew damn well he had a girlfriend and an 18 month old baby at home. Maybe she liked the attention, who knows? But I would of asked her given the opportunity. There's plenty of single men in the world and for that reason I choose not to play with attached men. If others choose to that's their decision. I've even had a couple of messages from guys who state they aren't single in their profile, so I've declined and told them why, they seemed surprised so maybe I'm in the minority. Xxx And they come out with things like 'well I will be single when we meet' Am beginning to also think that single males are a minority and if we are not careful, they will have the upper hand not us women Upper hand? Should any of us be wanting an upper hand or isn't mutual respect key, not one type above the other...honestly " I was thinking on the lines that there are something like 25 single males to 1 woman and given I seem to be constantly messaged by cheaters lately; both those that say they are married/have significant other and those that don't, we women will have to message guys instead with a nice message and then they will moan that they get too many messages to reply to | |||
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"I see an awful lot of sweeping generalisations with very little evidence to back them up here. Society does assume one man one woman and that was mostly in place so that children had a secure environment with someone to nurture and soemone to provide (in basic terms) to now suggest that people should suddenly abandon that way of life that has been the norm for hundreds of years is simplistic and not realistic. Also to suggest that all monogomous relationships consist of boring sex lives is something that can't possibly be backed up by concrete evidence and neither can citing that as a reason for men or women to be unfaithful to their partners. There are as many reasons for being unfaithful as there are people doing it and whether one chooses to meet those people or not is a matter for you and you alone to decide. What I do know is that if you enter into a relationship in which you have promised either by assumption or vow to be faithful to the other person then the one being cheated on has a right to be hurt and angry. " I haven't seen anyone here advocating for infidelity to be the norm. Neither have I seen anyone saying the family unit of one man-one woman should be done away with or that they have boring sex lives. There are couples who are very happy in sexless relationships and there are those who are totally happy with the sex they have with each other. On the other side of things there are couples who are in open relationships and have very happy family lives and have also brought up kids in a loving family environment. What we seem to forget is that people change. What you like when you started your relationship may have changed when you're 5, 10, 15 or 20 years into your relationship. At the moment if your sexual preferences change and your partner doesn't like what you want to change to, your only "acceptable" alternative is to split up. Notwithstanding what you've built together up until that point, including kids. Or you could play the faithful partner and suffer for the rest of your life. I happen to believe that when society evolves to the stage where there are more acceptable alternatives other than the two above, we'll all be happier for it. | |||
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"I see an awful lot of sweeping generalisations with very little evidence to back them up here. Society does assume one man one woman and that was mostly in place so that children had a secure environment with someone to nurture and soemone to provide (in basic terms) to now suggest that people should suddenly abandon that way of life that has been the norm for hundreds of years is simplistic and not realistic. Also to suggest that all monogomous relationships consist of boring sex lives is something that can't possibly be backed up by concrete evidence and neither can citing that as a reason for men or women to be unfaithful to their partners. There are as many reasons for being unfaithful as there are people doing it and whether one chooses to meet those people or not is a matter for you and you alone to decide. What I do know is that if you enter into a relationship in which you have promised either by assumption or vow to be faithful to the other person then the one being cheated on has a right to be hurt and angry. I haven't seen anyone here advocating for infidelity to be the norm. Neither have I seen anyone saying the family unit of one man-one woman should be done away with or that they have boring sex lives. There are couples who are very happy in sexless relationships and there are those who are totally happy with the sex they have with each other. On the other side of things there are couples who are in open relationships and have very happy family lives and have also brought up kids in a loving family environment. What we seem to forget is that people change. What you like when you started your relationship may have changed when you're 5, 10, 15 or 20 years into your relationship. At the moment if your sexual preferences change and your partner doesn't like what you want to change to, your only "acceptable" alternative is to split up. Notwithstanding what you've built together up until that point, including kids. Or you could play the faithful partner and suffer for the rest of your life. I happen to believe that when society evolves to the stage where there are more acceptable alternatives other than the two above, we'll all be happier for it." once again you owned the stage! If only more people can be more open minded... All this talk about cheaters and not a thought about what vanilla people think about swingers. | |||
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"Coming in late here (and I've only skim read the threads, so apologies) I will knowingly play with married/ attached men. They will end up cheating anyway. I don't give my phone number (very few fab members have ever had it) and I have a play email address and no-one ever comes to my house - and I don't tend to say which area I live in, anyway. No, I wouldn't want to be on the end of a phone call from the 'wronged' wife, for sure, but married men can sometimes be easier than single guys from my point of view to play with - they understand there are time constraints and that I can't meet them at the drop of a hat/ every day etc (not all single guys are like that, I know, but I've met a few who were a little too keen to meet up all the time and texted all the time (hence not giving number out now) I prefer to know if someone is married/ attached, but it definitely isn't a deal breaker for me." | |||
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"As with anything people have their differing reasons for their choices, do what works best for you! I personally am not too worried, I agree with the idea that they'll cheat either way. If I was to get a phone call from an angry partner later down the line I would just ask them why they were calling me. Roles reversed, if a partner of mine cheated on me, then the only person I would need to speak to is my (by then ex) partner." So...you have no qualms about sleeping with cheating partners, but if your partner cheated on you, she would be an ex - don't you just love it! | |||
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"I'm here for my own hedonistic pleasure. I don't know married men, not because I care about partners, but they serve absolutely no purpose to me. No point meeting a man if I can't drop wax on him, wear the perfume of my choice, play all night in either of our homes etc...because he can't have any unexplained marks, scents etc. " Can't argue with you on this one | |||
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"I prefer to know if someone is married/ attached, but it definitely isn't a deal breaker for me" We wouldn't meet someone if they were cheating We don't agree with cheating, if someone's not happy, move on! | |||
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"Funny thing is some narrow minded people on here actually think because they are either single swingers or consentual couples that they are somehow better than a person who's cheating on their partner, to that I say bollocks! More people would accept a cheater than they would a swinger. The bottom line is both the swinger and the cheater are full of shit, us included but hey! Who gives a f**k! We love what we do and who cares if someone out there wants to pass judgement on us. " well i wander why people take vows and make commitments if they aint gonna stick to them :/ "for better or worse" that doesn tmean "its ok while its in the better zone, but when it comes to worse ill do my own thing" just seems common sense not judgement to me to understand the mentality of a cheater.. someone who can decieve others for their own gain XD | |||
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"Funny thing is some narrow minded people on here actually think because they are either single swingers or consentual couples that they are somehow better than a person who's cheating on their partner, to that I say bollocks! More people would accept a cheater than they would a swinger. The bottom line is both the swinger and the cheater are full of shit, us included but hey! Who gives a f**k! We love what we do and who cares if someone out there wants to pass judgement on us. well i wander why people take vows and make commitments if they aint gonna stick to them :/ "for better or worse" that doesn tmean "its ok while its in the better zone, but when it comes to worse ill do my own thing" just seems common sense not judgement to me to understand the mentality of a cheater.. someone who can decieve others for their own gain XD" if its narrowmindedness, then pls can someone give me an example of why someone would cheat that is for complete selfish reasons? a reason that isnt just thinking of what they want and ignoring the other person in their life and the standing by the choices they have made in life? i dont like selfishness.. atho i understand everyone is human and we all bare that trait, but im talking when someone is completely self centred. | |||
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"You know what? Shit happens. We are not here to be anyones moral guardian. This site is all about free choice." It certainly does happen I'm on here for fun and lots of it and dont want to be someones moral guardian ..... just my own xx | |||
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"You know what? Shit happens. We are not here to be anyones moral guardian. This site is all about free choice. It certainly does happen I'm on here for fun and lots of it and dont want to be someones moral guardian ..... just my own xx" Free choice and if people start a thread offering an opinion then everyone is entitles to express there When someone starts throwing accusations to my opinions I have the right to question it If people don't want others opinions then don't ask for them.. | |||
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"You know what? Shit happens. We are not here to be anyones moral guardian. This site is all about free choice. It certainly does happen I'm on here for fun and lots of it and dont want to be someones moral guardian ..... just my own xx Free choice and if people start a thread offering an opinion then everyone is entitles to express there When someone starts throwing accusations to my opinions I have the right to question it If people don't want others opinions then don't ask for them.." Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has got one. | |||
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"You know what? Shit happens. We are not here to be anyones moral guardian. This site is all about free choice." People are big enough, and ugly enough to sort their own messes out. If they're not capable of doing that, then they shouldn't be playing around on sites like this - quite simply... Wolf | |||
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"Prefer not to meet cheaters for several reasons, firstly because we are only free to meet on weekends and its a nightmare trying to arrange meets with someone playing away, secondly we are looking for regular fun and potential overnight stays. Finally I was cheated on and it broke my heart, I could never play a part in knowingly shagging a cheater, I'd be thinking too much about his poor partner, too much empathy perhaps but that's just me Lady x " I have been a child in the middle of warring parents and a mother cheating on my dad, not a nice situation to be in either | |||
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"What if the marriage has been sexless for many years (due to chronic illness)? " Thats seriously not a good enough reason to cheat... | |||
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"Every time anyone is sexually intimate with a single guy or girl they open themselves up to a certain level of risk. If that single is prepared to lie to and deceive their partner, why should we give any credence to their assertions of safe sexual practices? Cheating inevitably causes pain and suffering for the victim. Why should we ignore this when deciding whether to meet and play with someone? There are plenty of singles who aren't committing adultery and we prefer to play with these people. " Very well said- agree. Z | |||
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