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"I don’t like it for various reasons: 1. It reduces black men to a cock. 2. It’s a fetishisation of blackness 3. There are obvious racist undertones - particularly, when white folks suggest that they like the ‘taboo’ of BBC Being attracted to black men is not the same as reducing black men to a cock - one is racist, the other is not. " I concur with all these points summarised here. | |||
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"I don’t like it for various reasons: 1. It reduces black men to a cock. 2. It’s a fetishisation of blackness 3. There are obvious racist undertones - particularly, when white folks suggest that they like the ‘taboo’ of BBC Being attracted to black men is not the same as reducing black men to a cock - one is racist, the other is not. I concur with all these points summarised here. " Definitely agree with the above. The problem is a lot of black men think so little of themselves that they don’t inherently see the problem with this and it makes it difficult if they are getting carnal pleasures from it. | |||
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"I don’t like it for various reasons: 1. It reduces black men to a cock. 2. It’s a fetishisation of blackness 3. There are obvious racist undertones - particularly, when white folks suggest that they like the ‘taboo’ of BBC Being attracted to black men is not the same as reducing black men to a cock - one is racist, the other is not. " in you a hottie  | |||
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"I don’t like it for various reasons: 1. It reduces black men to a cock. 2. It’s a fetishisation of blackness 3. There are obvious racist undertones - particularly, when white folks suggest that they like the ‘taboo’ of BBC Being attracted to black men is not the same as reducing black men to a cock - one is racist, the other is not. I concur with all these points summarised here. Definitely agree with the above. The problem is a lot of black men think so little of themselves that they don’t inherently see the problem with this and it makes it difficult if they are getting carnal pleasures from it. " ^^^ Nice one. Male here. Agree 100% with this. Been in lifestyle donkeys years not bothered now but partner still into it. Probably been the novelty black cock myself in the past but the trend of calling black guys "BBC" as a 'thing' demeans us all, especially the Uncle Tom's who do anything for a leg over. British society's still polluted with unconcious racism, the need to explain shouldn't be necessary, nothing to do with being offended it's about how black people are often perceived-stereotypically. | |||
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"Plenty of guys do advertise themselves as BBC . If your wife wants BBC etc in bios " Uncle Tom(foolery) | |||
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"Personally I hate the terminology of BBC being used, I find it degrading and dehumanising. Like someone mentioned previously, the terminology is used so much I'm tired of trying to point out the reason why it's not acceptable for all black men." The tide is too strong and its too widely used to plug it. I'm not going to hold it against a person who is blissfully unaware. So my perspective now is to give people the benefit of doubt. For those of us that don't like it all we need to do is speak up if it is said in our presence and I mean that amongst ourselves too. ...I'm sorry but I can't resist bringing a bit of dark humor into the conversation. What if it turns into the new N word. As in we can say it but you can't lolol Joking aside the word used to wind me up big time but these days I prefer to let go of negative energy and move on. | |||
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"How do you feel about non-black fab users using the term ‘BBC’ as well as those who fetishise black men? Also, how do you feel about events catered towards [typically white] women who enjoy sex with black men? No right or wrong answers – I just want to see where my fellow melanated men stand on this; are you cool with it; is it exploitation to you? " I don’t have any problems with the term “BBC” as well as those who fetishise black men or me. I don’t live my life being defined by this part of my life: my sense of self comes from more than this. And I consider events focused towards black men are in the main a good idea. It helps to know where you could not only be wanted, but sort after. It is like profiles that make clear its preferences, whether for “me” or not, I am grateful to know as it saves my time. I don’t think the Scene is for the faint hearted or anyone who takes rejection or objectification too seriously. I would say find your space, your people and enjoy yourself. | |||
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"How do you feel about non-black fab users using the term ‘BBC’ as well as those who fetishise black men? Also, how do you feel about events catered towards [typically white] women who enjoy sex with black men? No right or wrong answers – I just want to see where my fellow melanated men stand on this; are you cool with it; is it exploitation to you? I don’t have any problems with the term “BBC” as well as those who fetishise black men or me. I don’t live my life being defined by this part of my life: my sense of self comes from more than this. And I consider events focused towards black men are in the main a good idea. It helps to know where you could not only be wanted, but sort after. It is like profiles that make clear its preferences, whether for “me” or not, I am grateful to know as it saves my time. I don’t think the Scene is for the faint hearted or anyone who takes rejection or objectification too seriously. I would say find your space, your people and enjoy yourself. " 
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"Great perspectives above. Any more care to offer theirs? Let’s keep this discussion going – I think it’s something that needs more awareness (especially on here)." 100%. I'm sure many people will have read our comments. Hopefully, its a step forward for positive education. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. " Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book".............................. So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant? | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?"Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you  | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you "............................ Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male. | |||
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"Great perspectives above. Any more care to offer theirs? Let’s keep this discussion going – I think it’s something that needs more awareness (especially on here)." I know you asked for male opinions but as a woman, I personally I don't like the fetishism and underlying racism of the term and a lot of guys on here assume I don't like black men because I delete anyone reducing themselves to BBC. You only need to look at the history to see what is wrong with the term and I definitely don't think that it should be accepted because it has long been used. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male."Oh I see! My opinion isn’t relevant because I’m white ? | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male."Talking like you want to end racism yet, not until you've met someone do you know if they are fucking you for your cock or because they are into you. Other times they just say - nah, it's because you're white, it doesn't count. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male.
Oh I see! My opinion isn’t relevant because I’m white ? "On this topic, yes. The question aimed at black men asking how do they feel about the term BBC...... | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male.
Oh I see! My opinion isn’t relevant because I’m white ?
On this topic, yes.
The question aimed at black men asking how do they feel about the term BBC......"Quite right, take a Sunday quiz, don't engage with anyone outside your group.... That's how ideas are born, how change happens. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male.
Oh I see! My opinion isn’t relevant because I’m white ?
On this topic, yes.
The question aimed at black men asking how do they feel about the term BBC......
Quite right, take a Sunday quiz, don't engage with anyone outside your group.... That's how ideas are born, how change happens.
"That's not what's happening here though it is? Multiple black men have said they don't like the term as it reduces then down to just a penis and not an actual person with thoughts and feelings Yet a white man thinks it's relevant to come on here and say there's nothing wrong with it? | |||
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"Boys get over yourselves " I smell a covert yet over racist. About yt. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male." someone with sense. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male.
Oh I see! My opinion isn’t relevant because I’m white ?
On this topic, yes.
The question aimed at black men asking how do they feel about the term BBC......". Some just don’t get it, do they? Missing the point on purpose. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male.
Talking like you want to end racism yet, not until you've met someone do you know if they are fucking you for your cock or because they are into you.
Other times they just say - nah, it's because you're white, it doesn't count."........................... Sorry you've lost me, I've not made any comment on racism or the why and wherefors as to the reasons why people choose to meet people with certain characteristics. | |||
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"Not bothered one bit. Not bothered by only BWC, BBW, No BBC, or what ever acronyms people what to use to express preferences or exclusion. If I were to go around looking for something to be offended by fab would be a drag. I choose to enjoy my time here and meet like minded people. Exactly this . This is a site to explore sexual fantasies, kinks and fetishes . It’s not Face Book
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So the contrary views of black men (who were invited specifically to contribute to this thread) aren't relevant?
Just expressing my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it do you
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Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male.
Oh I see! My opinion isn’t relevant because I’m white ? ".............................. On this particular thread it's as valuable as a man telling a woman how she should feel about the pain of childbirth. | |||
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"Always gonna be some fragile white males in defence mode as usual when it comes to topics such as this one. Can’t remove your own egos to see it from another person’s perspective. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to state your opinion, but it doesn’t invalidate the unique experience of a black man in this situation. Just because it’s not your narrative, doesn’t mean there’s no validity to the original question I posed. " ............................. Hallelujah! | |||
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"Always gonna be some fragile white males in defence mode as usual when it comes to topics such as this one. Can’t remove your own egos to see it from another person’s perspective. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to state your opinion, but it doesn’t invalidate the unique experience of a black man in this situation. Just because it’s not your narrative, doesn’t mean there’s no validity to the original question I posed. " Preach brother | |||
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"I don’t like it for various reasons: 1. It reduces black men to a cock. 2. It’s a fetishisation of blackness 3. There are obvious racist undertones - particularly, when white folks suggest that they like the ‘taboo’ of BBC Being attracted to black men is not the same as reducing black men to a cock - one is racist, the other is not. I concur with all these points summarised here. Definitely agree with the above. The problem is a lot of black men think so little of themselves that they don’t inherently see the problem with this and it makes it difficult if they are getting carnal pleasures from it. ^^^ Nice one. Male here. Agree 100% with this. Been in lifestyle donkeys years not bothered now but partner still into it. Probably been the novelty black cock myself in the past but the trend of calling black guys "BBC" as a 'thing' demeans us all, especially the Uncle Tom's who do anything for a leg over. British society's still polluted with unconcious racism, the need to explain shouldn't be necessary, nothing to do with being offended it's about how black people are often perceived-stereotypically. " 100%. In this day and age, when people have no excuse to learn more and be better, they choose not to. | |||
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In this instance the trolls are being eaten! "If you're referring to me. At this point, thoughts and feelings are with you. | |||
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"I'm just on the scene to fuck people that I find attractive. I don't give a fuck if she sees me as a person or she has some fettish. Is the sex mutually satisfying? That's all that matters. the end of the day, it's hardly likely that I'll be taking her home to mama. This is swinging after all. Not deep philosophy." Fair enough. Only as deep as one makes/takes it (pause), I suppose. Do wish I was ignorant sometimes. Hard to switch off. | |||
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"I'm just on the scene to fuck people that I find attractive. I don't give a fuck if she sees me as a person or she has some fettish. Is the sex mutually satisfying? That's all that matters. the end of the day, it's hardly likely that I'll be taking her home to mama. This is swinging after all. Not deep philosophy. Fair enough. Only as deep as one makes/takes it (pause), I suppose. Do wish I was ignorant sometimes. Hard to switch off." This is recreation, bro. Swinging is not real life. | |||
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"Always gonna be some fragile white males in defence mode as usual when it comes to topics such as this one. Can’t remove your own egos to see it from another person’s perspective. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to state your opinion, but it doesn’t invalidate the unique experience of a black man in this situation. Just because it’s not your narrative, doesn’t mean there’s no validity to the original question I posed. " I couldn't say it better myself. I'm currently reading an interesting book on white fragility. The people who put their egos in to express their opinions, have provided a great example of negative defence mechanisms, but blame us . Jeez | |||
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"I'm just on the scene to fuck people that I find attractive. I don't give a fuck if she sees me as a person or she has some fettish. Is the sex mutually satisfying? That's all that matters. the end of the day, it's hardly likely that I'll be taking her home to mama. This is swinging after all. Not deep philosophy. Fair enough. Only as deep as one makes/takes it (pause), I suppose. Do wish I was ignorant sometimes. Hard to switch off. This is recreation, bro. Swinging is not real life." True say. Maybe I’ll come to that point. Don’t know if it’ll be backwards, but then again, what even is anything and titles, etc – things are all relative and subjective I’ve realized. | |||
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"Plenty of guys do advertise themselves as BBC . If your wife wants BBC etc in bios Uncle Tom(foolery)" Uncle Tom is a racist term. It implies that as a black person one should have a particular point of view. I find this particularly pernicious because it always comes from people who think they're the moral betters of others. On topic: I wouldn't do it personally. Because if my penis is my primary selling point disappointment is in everybody's future. But like every other label it's only a label. There's black people interested in only black people who use it. The fetishisation isn't implicit, much of the time it's people who found the term used and ran with it. Finally to paraphrase Bill Withers: it ain't so bad being used, cos I'm using you to do that thing you do. I.e not a deal breaker | |||
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"Plenty of guys do advertise themselves as BBC . If your wife wants BBC etc in bios Uncle Tom(foolery) Uncle Tom is a racist term. It implies that as a black person one should have a particular point of view. " .............................. Oh you missed the irony, it was quite deliberate, directed at black men who appear accepting of racist terms that stereotype them, especially when their cocks have a chance of getting wet. | |||
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"Plenty of guys do advertise themselves as BBC . If your wife wants BBC etc in bios Uncle Tom(foolery) Uncle Tom is a racist term. It implies that as a black person one should have a particular point of view. .............................. Oh you missed the irony, it was quite deliberate, directed at black men who appear accepting of racist terms that stereotype them, especially when their cocks have a chance of getting wet." It's not a view expressed ironically, it's a view you sincerely hold. What's ironic is you think you're calls of uncle Tom deflect from your racist, white saviour point of view. | |||
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"Plenty of guys do advertise themselves as BBC . If your wife wants BBC etc in bios Uncle Tom(foolery) Uncle Tom is a racist term. It implies that as a black person one should have a particular point of view. I find this particularly pernicious because it always comes from people who think they're the moral betters of others. On topic: I wouldn't do it personally. Because if my penis is my primary selling point disappointment is in everybody's future. But like every other label it's only a label. There's black people interested in only black people who use it. The fetishisation isn't implicit, much of the time it's people who found the term used and ran with it. Finally to paraphrase Bill Withers: it ain't so bad being used, cos I'm using you to do that thing you do. I.e not a deal breaker " I like and agree with the last paragraph. "Because if my penis is my primary selling point" I wonder about this though. In the swinging game (as opposed to dating/ looking for a wife), what would be you selling point other than your penis and what you can do with it? | |||
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"Plenty of guys do advertise themselves as BBC . If your wife wants BBC etc in bios Uncle Tom(foolery) Uncle Tom is a racist term. It implies that as a black person one should have a particular point of view. .............................. Oh you missed the irony, it was quite deliberate, directed at black men who appear accepting of racist terms that stereotype them, especially when their cocks have a chance of getting wet. It's not a view expressed ironically, it's a view you sincerely hold. What's ironic is you think you're calls of uncle Tom deflect from your racist, white saviour point of view." I'm black (male here) and make no apology for referring to such black men as Uncle Tom's, they don't seem bothered being objectified by some white people who are loose in the use of the BBC term or referring to themselves that way. | |||
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"Plenty of guys do advertise themselves as BBC . If your wife wants BBC etc in bios Uncle Tom(foolery) Uncle Tom is a racist term. It implies that as a black person one should have a particular point of view. .............................. Oh you missed the irony, it was quite deliberate, directed at black men who appear accepting of racist terms that stereotype them, especially when their cocks have a chance of getting wet. It's not a view expressed ironically, it's a view you sincerely hold. What's ironic is you think you're calls of uncle Tom deflect from your racist, white saviour point of view. I'm black (male here) and make no apology for referring to such black men as Uncle Tom's, they don't seem bothered being objectified by some white people who are loose in the use of the BBC term or referring to themselves that way. " If you are black then you would know that Uncle Tom means that one is a collaborator, think Stephen from Django. Or that person may be what my people call a roast breadfruit like Uncle Ruckus. It's really about how you view and relate to other black people vis-a-vis white people. I don't think that's what we are discussing here. | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. " Maybe I'm old school or something, but I believe this view cheapen what racism is. Racism is about power. It's about treating someone less favourable because of their race. It's about erecting and or maintaining barriers to impede people of other races than ones own from pursuing their happiness and fulfilling their potential. It's about equal opportunities to education, services, justice, participation in society, etc, etc. A women who simply want to suck my dick because it's black is in no way impeding the pursuit of happiness for people of my race. Stop being little wilting roses looking for racism under every blade of grass when black school girls are being strip searched by racist police. | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. Maybe I'm old school or something, but I believe this view cheapen what racism is. Racism is about power. It's about treating someone less favourable because of their race. It's about erecting and or maintaining barriers to impede people of other races than ones own from pursuing their happiness and fulfilling their potential. It's about equal opportunities to education, services, justice, participation in society, etc, etc. A women who simply want to suck my dick because it's black is in no way impeding the pursuit of happiness for people of my race. Stop being little wilting roses looking for racism under every blade of grass when black school girls are being strip searched by racist police. " The extremes of racism you describe including the child q case have their foundations in ‘acceptable racism’. Without those foundations the extremes will never exist. | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. Maybe I'm old school or something, but I believe this view cheapen what racism is. Racism is about power. It's about treating someone less favourable because of their race. It's about erecting and or maintaining barriers to impede people of other races than ones own from pursuing their happiness and fulfilling their potential. It's about equal opportunities to education, services, justice, participation in society, etc, etc. A women who simply want to suck my dick because it's black is in no way impeding the pursuit of happiness for people of my race. Stop being little wilting roses looking for racism under every blade of grass when black school girls are being strip searched by racist police. The extremes of racism you describe including the child q case have their foundations in ‘acceptable racism’. Without those foundations the extremes will never exist. " You are talking nonsense. The foundation of what happened to child q exist in human nature. It exist in imperialism and the institution of people as property between and among all groups in the world. People have been mistreating "others" probably before homo sapiens eradicated the neanderthal. It did not begin with white women having fetish for black cocks. What you are doing is engaging in the oppression olympics where we should all feel oppressed about something. What about the black men who fetishised white women or light skinned women. Are they racist? Are their attitudes causing extreme racism against white people. I wonder how old you are because no one with real lived experience buy into this fuckery. White women fetish about BBC can lead to black people not getting jobs? Seriously? I am so glad that I grew up in a different time and a different country | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. Maybe I'm old school or something, but I believe this view cheapen what racism is. Racism is about power. It's about treating someone less favourable because of their race. It's about erecting and or maintaining barriers to impede people of other races than ones own from pursuing their happiness and fulfilling their potential. It's about equal opportunities to education, services, justice, participation in society, etc, etc. A women who simply want to suck my dick because it's black is in no way impeding the pursuit of happiness for people of my race. Stop being little wilting roses looking for racism under every blade of grass when black school girls are being strip searched by racist police. The extremes of racism you describe including the child q case have their foundations in ‘acceptable racism’. Without those foundations the extremes will never exist. You are talking nonsense. The foundation of what happened to child q exist in human nature. It exist in imperialism and the institution of people as property between and among all groups in the world. People have been mistreating "others" probably before homo sapiens eradicated the neanderthal. It did not begin with white women having fetish for black cocks. What you are doing is engaging in the oppression olympics where we should all feel oppressed about something. What about the black men who fetishised white women or light skinned women. Are they racist? Are their attitudes causing extreme racism against white people. I wonder how old you are because no one with real lived experience buy into this fuckery. White women fetish about BBC can lead to black people not getting jobs? Seriously? I am so glad that I grew up in a different time and a different country " I agree strongly with you sir | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. " ..............................
I remember a similar discussion years ago, a black guy recounted a story about a white couple he'd been meeting and come to regard as friends.
He asked them what they found attractive about black guys and was shocked at the response...the male said it was safe for their relationship because his wife would "never run off with a black man".
Obviously not all white people think like this but I wonder how those who objectify and use unecessary crass acronyms to describe black men think about them in their everyday lives. | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. Maybe I'm old school or something, but I believe this view cheapen what racism is. Racism is about power. It's about treating someone less favourable because of their race. It's about erecting and or maintaining barriers to impede people of other races than ones own from pursuing their happiness and fulfilling their potential. It's about equal opportunities to education, services, justice, participation in society, etc, etc. A women who simply want to suck my dick because it's black is in no way impeding the pursuit of happiness for people of my race. Stop being little wilting roses looking for racism under every blade of grass when black school girls are being strip searched by racist police. The extremes of racism you describe including the child q case have their foundations in ‘acceptable racism’. Without those foundations the extremes will never exist. You are talking nonsense. The foundation of what happened to child q exist in human nature. It exist in imperialism and the institution of people as property between and among all groups in the world. People have been mistreating "others" probably before homo sapiens eradicated the neanderthal. It did not begin with white women having fetish for black cocks. What you are doing is engaging in the oppression olympics where we should all feel oppressed about something. What about the black men who fetishised white women or light skinned women. Are they racist? Are their attitudes causing extreme racism against white people. I wonder how old you are because no one with real lived experience buy into this fuckery. White women fetish about BBC can lead to black people not getting jobs? Seriously? I am so glad that I grew up in a different time and a different country " I am old enough to not dismiss views different to mine as nonsense. I wonder if you have misunderstood fetishisation. A misogynist who has sex with hundreds of women does not stop them being a misogynist because they love having sex with women. They may in fact use sex as a tool to act out their prejudice. Their prejudice about women as just being good for bed, kitchen etc will act out with female colleagues in the workplace. They might want to sleep with them but not think they are good enough to be their boss. BBC is often linked to stereotypes about the physical attributes about a black man, there are often no associated positive stereotypes beyond the physique such as intelligence, commitment etc. | |||
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" BBC is often linked to stereotypes about the physical attributes about a black man, there are often no associated positive stereotypes beyond the physique such as intelligence, commitment etc. " You make assumptions about the people who use the term. There's a woman I met (one who I doubt still uses the term) who referred to me as having a BBC. She used the term but she and I were friends before we had sex. She invited me into her life and she just happened to like Africans (as opposed to simply black people). She used the term there was no implications or stereotypes aside from I was black and had a big penis. Words have only the meanings you give them and the weight you give them. Having a racial preference in your lovers is indicative of nothing. Even the people that write that they have a preference for a "thuggish type" I don't think they're racist. They've watched TV and know what they'd like to experience. Yes they want a stereotype but does that mean that they think all black men fit that stereotype? | |||
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" BBC is often linked to stereotypes about the physical attributes about a black man, there are often no associated positive stereotypes beyond the physique such as intelligence, commitment etc. You make assumptions about the people who use the term. There's a woman I met (one who I doubt still uses the term) who referred to me as having a BBC. She used the term but she and I were friends before we had sex. She invited me into her life and she just happened to like Africans (as opposed to simply black people). She used the term there was no implications or stereotypes aside from I was black and had a big penis. Words have only the meanings you give them and the weight you give them. Having a racial preference in your lovers is indicative of nothing. Even the people that write that they have a preference for a "thuggish type" I don't think they're racist. They've watched TV and know what they'd like to experience. Yes they want a stereotype but does that mean that they think all black men fit that stereotype?" ................................ You may be missing the point, the issue (as per the OP) isn't necessarily about people having a racial preference, it's how that preference is described. Black men have ubiquitously come to be described as "BBC", conflating them as human beings with their genitals, ergo supreme objectification. | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. ..............................
I remember a similar discussion years ago, a black guy recounted a story about a white couple he'd been meeting and come to regard as friends.
He asked them what they found attractive about black guys and was shocked at the response...the male said it was safe for their relationship because his wife would "never run off with a black man".
Obviously not all white people think like this but I wonder how those who objectify and use unecessary crass acronyms to describe black men think about them in their everyday lives."A response that you didn't understand earlier, so worth repeating here. Not that your blinkers would have you understand the wider issue of your reply. " Of course, not at all. But it did sound like you were defining what this place is when you can only do so from your own perspective, as a white male. Talking like you want to end racism yet, not until you've met someone do you know if they are fucking you for your cock or because they are into you. Other times they just say - nah, it's because you're white, it doesn't count." | |||
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" People have been mistreating "others" probably before homo sapiens eradicated the neanderthal. It did not begin with white women having fetish for black cocks. What you are doing is engaging in the oppression olympics where we should all feel oppressed about something. ............................ We're having a conversation that's never been had. We've been sleepwalking and accepting this racial fetish/objectification nonsense without any consideration for it's wider implications, we're all human beings after all, not just sex toys. We've been involved in this lifestyle for decades and bitten our tongues throughout much of that time, raising an objection was like pushing water uphill, the general population wasn't interested in hearing what black people think and it seems some black men aren't either..this isn't about "oppression olympics", it's about the thin end of a wedge, unless you believe racism has been eradicated. Incidentally the fact people have been mistreating people for eons doesn't mean we can't aspire to do things differently." "Black people" are not a monolith with one single story. Let me state it again. Racism is about treating someone less favourable on account of their race. It's not about sexual fetish and all that bullshit. Where would this line of argument end? A man is turned on by blondes so he has some prejudice against them? I like a woman with a round ass so I want to oppress them? Racism is about oppression! | |||
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" People have been mistreating "others" probably before homo sapiens eradicated the neanderthal. It did not begin with white women having fetish for black cocks. What you are doing is engaging in the oppression olympics where we should all feel oppressed about something. ............................ We're having a conversation that's never been had. We've been sleepwalking and accepting this racial fetish/objectification nonsense without any consideration for it's wider implications, we're all human beings after all, not just sex toys. We've been involved in this lifestyle for decades and bitten our tongues throughout much of that time, raising an objection was like pushing water uphill, the general population wasn't interested in hearing what black people think and it seems some black men aren't either..this isn't about "oppression olympics", it's about the thin end of a wedge, unless you believe racism has been eradicated. Incidentally the fact people have been mistreating people for eons doesn't mean we can't aspire to do things differently." You sound like you've got a real dislike for women and probably couples here, but instead focus it on white guys. Same as a few other responders to this thread. You meet (or have met) with snow bunnies, attend BMFC events, replied to or attend meets where people are looking for blacks and have no doubt met size queens, big dick hunters, groups, gangbangs, acted a bulls and the like, biting your tongue as they're likely objectifying you.... Yet you focus your attention on white men, as 'you still need to get your dick wet', so don't call them out on here and give them a pass, as you're a saint, who doesn't fetishise a good set of tits, nice arse or pussy - it's the white man's institutions fault, women and couples are fine. | |||
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"The number of BBC hunters you meet who actually express offensive and racist views is shocking. There is an assumption their views cannot be racist because they want to have sex with you. The fetishisation is also worrying in couples where either the man sees the woman with a BBC as part of the Dom/sub degradation or in cuckold contexts. Some black men, as expressed above, see it as not a problem as it is in fantasyland and not real world. The people who engage in this kind of racism exist both in fab land as well as the real world. Condone it in fab land and it empowers its existence in the real world. You become their ‘black friend’. Maybe I'm old school or something, but I believe this view cheapen what racism is. Racism is about power. It's about treating someone less favourable because of their race. It's about erecting and or maintaining barriers to impede people of other races than ones own from pursuing their happiness and fulfilling their potential. It's about equal opportunities to education, services, justice, participation in society, etc, etc. A women who simply want to suck my dick because it's black is in no way impeding the pursuit of happiness for people of my race. Stop being little wilting roses looking for racism under every blade of grass when black school girls are being strip searched by racist police. The extremes of racism you describe including the child q case have their foundations in ‘acceptable racism’. Without those foundations the extremes will never exist. You are talking nonsense. The foundation of what happened to child q exist in human nature. It exist in imperialism and the institution of people as property between and among all groups in the world. People have been mistreating "others" probably before homo sapiens eradicated the neanderthal. It did not begin with white women having fetish for black cocks. What you are doing is engaging in the oppression olympics where we should all feel oppressed about something. What about the black men who fetishised white women or light skinned women. Are they racist? Are their attitudes causing extreme racism against white people. I wonder how old you are because no one with real lived experience buy into this fuckery. White women fetish about BBC can lead to black people not getting jobs? Seriously? I am so glad that I grew up in a different time and a different country I am old enough to not dismiss views different to mine as nonsense. I wonder if you have misunderstood fetishisation. A misogynist who has sex with hundreds of women does not stop them being a misogynist because they love having sex with women. They may in fact use sex as a tool to act out their prejudice. Their prejudice about women as just being good for bed, kitchen etc will act out with female colleagues in the workplace. They might want to sleep with them but not think they are good enough to be their boss. BBC is often linked to stereotypes about the physical attributes about a black man, there are often no associated positive stereotypes beyond the physique such as intelligence, commitment etc. " I am old enough to know that opinions not grounded in reason are nonsense. "I think, therefore I am." It's not "I feel,therefore I am." My argument is that,without more, fetish cannot rise to the level of racism. In cases it may be rooted in prejudice or the person may be racist. But that is not the argument being made. We are being asked to assign bad faith because it IS racism, not that it MAY be racism. Well, until we can read people's mind, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until evidence of REAL racism emerges. You know, the good old fashioned evidence based approach? | |||
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" "Black people" are not a monolith with one single story. Let me state it again. Racism is about treating someone less favourable on account of their race. It's not about sexual fetish and all that bullshit. Where would this line of argument end? A man is turned on by blondes so he has some prejudice against them? I like a woman with a round ass so I want to oppress them? Racism is about oppression!" ............................ Why do you perpetuate lecturing me about things I already know? I'm well aware black people aren't monolithic with a single story, this is the crux of my point! Referring to black men as BBCs promotes a view that they're a 'thing', not a collection of individual personalities. By the way using your definition of racism, I believe black men are treated less favourably (as human beings) by people who choose to describe them as BBC. | |||
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" BBC is often linked to stereotypes about the physical attributes about a black man, there are often no associated positive stereotypes beyond the physique such as intelligence, commitment etc. You make assumptions about the people who use the term. There's a woman I met (one who I doubt still uses the term) who referred to me as having a BBC. She used the term but she and I were friends before we had sex. She invited me into her life and she just happened to like Africans (as opposed to simply black people). She used the term there was no implications or stereotypes aside from I was black and had a big penis. Words have only the meanings you give them and the weight you give them. Having a racial preference in your lovers is indicative of nothing. Even the people that write that they have a preference for a "thuggish type" I don't think they're racist. They've watched TV and know what they'd like to experience. Yes they want a stereotype but does that mean that they think all black men fit that stereotype? ................................ You may be missing the point, the issue (as per the OP) isn't necessarily about people having a racial preference, it's how that preference is described. Black men have ubiquitously come to be described as "BBC", conflating them as human beings with their genitals, ergo supreme objectification." Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. For some it's tattoo. You can make the argument that it amounts to objectification, but when we are fucking a stranger that we are likely to never see again, what are they but objects if our desire? Do you give a shit about how articulate and thoughtful the woman across the room may be? | |||
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" "Black people" are not a monolith with one single story. Let me state it again. Racism is about treating someone less favourable on account of their race. It's not about sexual fetish and all that bullshit. Where would this line of argument end? A man is turned on by blondes so he has some prejudice against them? I like a woman with a round ass so I want to oppress them? Racism is about oppression! ............................ Why do you perpetuate lecturing me about things I already know? I'm well aware black people aren't monolithic with a single story, this is the crux of my point! Referring to black men as BBCs promotes a view that they're a 'thing', not a collection of individual personalities. By the way using your definition of racism, I believe black men are treated less favourably (as human beings) by people who choose to describe them as BBC." Because you use this phrase: "general population wasn't interested in hearing what black people think" Maybe you should add a qualifier; like insert the word "some" before "black people". Otherwise it can be read as all black people or black people in general. And BBC is not referring to all black men. It's referring to black men with big cocks. And when people are looking to have sex with a stranger they met five minutes ago, what is the stranger but an object of base desires? That is why I say that swinging is not real life. I'd like to hear how being fetishised impede a black man's life chances. In the swinging game we are trying to have sex with strangers. That is the aim. Are you arguing that by being selected because he's got a big black dick is unfavourable treatment even if it makes the man more successful in the swinging game? Just think about that for a second | |||
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"I think my views on this are about as well known as any on the site… It’s abhorrent, it’s demeaning… I absolutely hate it! I want no part of the fetish and I think it as a part of my morals and integrity… if people want to overlook those in sake of a leg over, that’s on them… but then I say if you are prepared to use race as a weapon to help, don’t be surprised if people also use that weapon to put you down! The case of the double edged sword! I always warn couples who use the terms BBC, QOS ect. that by using it, you are probably turning off as many of the people you are actually trying to attract as you are trying to get to attention of… Getting someone’s attention isn’t always a good thing! And I ain’t shy personally in telling people where they can get off if it’s used in my direction.. and ain’t shy in walking away! But at the end of the day it only stops being used when: 1) black guys stop seeing it as a positive to get meets 2) couples and women find more negative feedback from using it as a positive… for example… if they even thought about using the N word in a profile or a posting, they would stop as of yesterday because of the blowback! And yet bbc is acceptable… I don’t give 2 hoots if a guy thinks using terms are reclaiming them! But like I said… it’s my integrity.. and no amount of sex is worth compromising that for… This is the point I usually get tons of hate both publicly and privately… I doubt whether this will be any different! " Fair enough. But I'd prefer if a woman put what she wants on her profile because it prevents me wasting time. | |||
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" Fair enough. But I'd prefer if a woman put what she wants on her profile because it prevents me wasting time." True… but there is a difference between “I am interested in meeting and am attracted to black guys “ …… and “I want to meet N*****S!” Would you treat both the same? | |||
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"I think my views on this are about as well known as any on the site… It’s abhorrent, it’s demeaning… I absolutely hate it! I want no part of the fetish and I think it as a part of my morals and integrity… if people want to overlook those in sake of a leg over, that’s on them… but then I say if you are prepared to use race as a weapon to help, don’t be surprised if people also use that weapon to put you down! The case of the double edged sword! I always warn couples who use the terms BBC, QOS ect. that by using it, you are probably turning off as many of the people you are actually trying to attract as you are trying to get to attention of… Getting someone’s attention isn’t always a good thing! And I ain’t shy personally in telling people where they can get off if it’s used in my direction.. and ain’t shy in walking away! But at the end of the day it only stops being used when: 1) black guys stop seeing it as a positive to get meets 2) couples and women find more negative feedback from using it as a positive… for example… if they even thought about using the N word in a profile or a posting, they would stop as of yesterday because of the blowback! And yet bbc is acceptable… I don’t give 2 hoots if a guy thinks using terms are reclaiming them! But like I said… it’s my integrity.. and no amount of sex is worth compromising that for… This is the point I usually get tons of hate both publicly and privately… I doubt whether this will be any different! " ........................... Beautifully expressed as always Fabio. | |||
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"As a woman who meets a lot of black men this thread just shows I can’t please everyone haha. Purely read through for the education but now I’m more confused that I already was ha! x" If it’s one thing you can take out of thread is that language and the way it’s expressed is important… In most things on here I am a great believer in that you get one chance to make a great first impression… and we all do it! | |||
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" And BBC is not referring to all black men. It's referring to black men with big cocks. " ............................. As I've said ad nauseum (even in my post you responded to), the term has been used by some to describe black men generally, conflating their genitalia with them as people. I've even seen black men say "I'm a BBC", the irony in that! I'm beginning to think you're trolling for the experience, whilst I'm laughing up my sleeve. | |||
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" Fair enough. But I'd prefer if a woman put what she wants on her profile because it prevents me wasting time. True… but there is a difference between “I am interested in meeting and am attracted to black guys “ …… and “I want to meet N*****S!” Would you treat both the same? "How about: I am interested in meeting a black man. He must have 8 inches or more? Is that polite enough? | |||
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"As a woman who meets a lot of black men this thread just shows I can’t please everyone haha. Purely read through for the education but now I’m more confused that I already was ha! x" I'd say do what works for you. The moral of the story is that there is no one way that black men see it. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW." ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. | |||
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" And BBC is not referring to all black men. It's referring to black men with big cocks. ............................. As I've said ad nauseum (even in my post you responded to), the term has been used by some to describe black men generally, conflating their genitalia with them as people. I've even seen black men say "I'm a BBC", the irony in that! I'm beginning to think you're trolling for the experience, whilst I'm laughing up my sleeve." I just want you to clean up your logic. Yes, it may be used by some to refer to all black men. But without more, I cannot say that is what someone is doing when they use that term. I hate when people read between the lines when I speak so I don't do that to other people. It's one of my failing that I'm a literal person. | |||
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" Fair enough. But I'd prefer if a woman put what she wants on her profile because it prevents me wasting time. True… but there is a difference between “I am interested in meeting and am attracted to black guys “ …… and “I want to meet N*****S!” Would you treat both the same?
How about: I am interested in meeting a black man. He must have 8 inches or more? Is that polite enough?"Ooh answering a question with a question… So how about I’ll answer yours.. you answer mine I have no issue with what you just put…. Your turn… | |||
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"In the “BBC” situation the man isn’t the “object of desire”. The person that’s had that black guy fantasy will have been thinking those things long before finding someone to fit the bill. The man exists purely fit into the stereotype fantasy they have in their mind. They don’t care who you are, they already decided the only thing that matters is a cock that’s black and big. You just so happen to fit that criteria at that moment. Thats why I don’t like people who talk about BBC only. Why? They often say it’s taboo. Like wtf? You have to be tapped in the head to think it’s taboo or thrilling just because they have a different skin colour. Though of course it’s not always about the skin colour - it’s about the stereotype that comes with it. They see black guys as dangerous, animalistic, primal, intimidating, dumb, lesser and scary. Someone they wouldn’t dare approach in real life. that’s why they find it so thrilling and “taboo” in the bed room. " ................................ Great post, especially the final paragraph. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy." Apologies for butting in (I'm a white woman) but I hate PAWG and BBW and similar fetishisation of larger (white) women. We won't engage with anyone who refers to me (Mrs KC) in those terms. For the record, we both abhor the 'BBC' thing too, as well as the mass exclusion of individuals of an entire race from being considered attractive/fuckable or whatever. We deal with individuals at face value, irrespective of race, penis size or anything else. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy." Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. | |||
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"In the “BBC” situation the man isn’t the “object of desire”. The person that’s had that black guy fantasy will have been thinking those things long before finding someone to fit the bill. The man exists purely fit into the stereotype fantasy they have in their mind. They don’t care who you are, they already decided the only thing that matters is a cock that’s black and big. You just so happen to fit that criteria at that moment. Thats why I don’t like people who talk about BBC only. Why? They often say it’s taboo. Like wtf? You have to be tapped in the head to think it’s taboo or thrilling just because they have a different skin colour. Though of course it’s not always about the skin colour - it’s about the stereotype that comes with it. They see black guys as dangerous, animalistic, primal, intimidating, dumb, lesser and scary. Someone they wouldn’t dare approach in real life. that’s why they find it so thrilling and “taboo” in the bed room. " So true! | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person." I am glad you posted this. It says something about your life experiences which explains your resistance to humanise people you encounter on fab. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person." This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. | |||
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" Fair enough. But I'd prefer if a woman put what she wants on her profile because it prevents me wasting time. True… but there is a difference between “I am interested in meeting and am attracted to black guys “ …… and “I want to meet N*****S!” Would you treat both the same?
How about: I am interested in meeting a black man. He must have 8 inches or more? Is that polite enough?
Ooh answering a question with a question…
So how about I’ll answer yours.. you answer mine
I have no issue with what you just put….
Your turn…
"Apologies. Everyone can agree that the meaning of that word is. No one is ever in doubt what effect it is supposed to have. There is hundreds of years of history of violent oppression behind it. Originally, a whip would fall after it was uttered. I have never met a single black person who is in disagreement about it's meaning. So, that is settled language. BBC on the other hand is different. There is not a settled position. Some find it insulting, others not. It's origin was descriptive of some black men's cock. Some people may use it now to refer to black men in general as some have argued. But I'm not aware of any racist shouting: you fucking BBC before attacking a black man or turning him down for a job or even as a directed insult. So context matters and false equivalence is a thing | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. " I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. " If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. | |||
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" And BBC is not referring to all black men. It's referring to black men with big cocks. ............................. As I've said ad nauseum (even in my post you responded to), the term has been used by some to describe black men generally, conflating their genitalia with them as people. I've even seen black men say "I'm a BBC", the irony in that! I'm beginning to think you're trolling for the experience, whilst I'm laughing up my sleeve. I just want you to clean up your logic. Yes, it may be used by some to refer to all black men. But without more, I cannot say that is what someone is doing when they use that term. I hate when people read between the lines when I speak so I don't do that to other people. It's one of my failing that I'm a literal person. " ................................ Let's be clear, white people form the overwhelming majority here, many won't have black friends, family or real experiences of black folks outside of what they read about, see on the TV or meet in sex clubs! So it's easy to believe black people speak with one voice, have the same opinions, loves and likes as each other...they're a "thing". I've lost count of the number of times white people have said its OK to call black people n****** because that's what black people call each other, usually based on them hearing some youth saying it in a rap. It's like black newcomers believing all white people are Morris Dancers because they read about them engaging enthusiastically with sock bells and lacy handkerchiefs in National Geographic! | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. " The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine | |||
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" And BBC is not referring to all black men. It's referring to black men with big cocks. ............................. As I've said ad nauseum (even in my post you responded to), the term has been used by some to describe black men generally, conflating their genitalia with them as people. I've even seen black men say "I'm a BBC", the irony in that! I'm beginning to think you're trolling for the experience, whilst I'm laughing up my sleeve. I just want you to clean up your logic. Yes, it may be used by some to refer to all black men. But without more, I cannot say that is what someone is doing when they use that term. I hate when people read between the lines when I speak so I don't do that to other people. It's one of my failing that I'm a literal person. ................................ Let's be clear, white people form the overwhelming majority here, many won't have black friends, family or real experiences of black folks outside of what they read about, see on the TV or meet in sex clubs! So it's easy to believe black people speak with one voice, have the same opinions, loves and likes as each other...they're a "thing". I've lost count of the number of times white people have said its OK to call black people n****** because that's what black people call each other, usually based on them hearing some youth saying it in a rap. It's like black newcomers believing all white people are Morris Dancers because they read about them engaging enthusiastically with sock bells and lacy handkerchiefs in National Geographic!" I agree here. To my mind, if one finds the term BBC offensive, one should be free to say so and one should say so. But say that it's racist without any other manifestation of racism isn't reasonable. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine " The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine " My husband does not take me anywhere to do anything. I am not my husband's chattel, even if that's what you seem to think a wife is. I make my own decisions, based on jointly agreed parameters, thank you very much. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself?" I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine My husband does not take me anywhere to do anything. I am not my husband's chattel, even if that's what you seem to think a wife is. I make my own decisions, based on jointly agreed parameters, thank you very much. " For clarity. It was a generalised comment and not directed at you. I was expressing an idea. Please don't think it was personal | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there" Just because that's your experience of swinging, it's not everyone's. Not everyone goes to fuck others within minutes of meeting them. Please remember that. And you can still see someone as a human being, even if your first encounter is with their penis or vagina. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there" If they are not a person in that scenario then what are they? | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there Just because that's your experience of swinging, it's not everyone's. Not everyone goes to fuck others within minutes of meeting them. Please remember that. And you can still see someone as a human being, even if your first encounter is with their penis or vagina. " Of course they are human. But their humanity is not the motivation. Neither the guys queuing up for a gang bang nor the woman being banged is thinking about the person behind the pussy/cock. That they are a human being is a given and is sufficient. It's the same with BBC. And just because people like to think that they can know someone because of a position taken, I don't do gang bangs and I hate BMFC because I prefer the personal touch. But I don't judge those who do. What I call out is the cognitive dissonance and holier than thou attitudes | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there Just because that's your experience of swinging, it's not everyone's. Not everyone goes to fuck others within minutes of meeting them. Please remember that. And you can still see someone as a human being, even if your first encounter is with their penis or vagina. Of course they are human. But their humanity is not the motivation. Neither the guys queuing up for a gang bang nor the woman being banged is thinking about the person behind the pussy/cock. That they are a human being is a given and is sufficient. It's the same with BBC. And just because people like to think that they can know someone because of a position taken, I don't do gang bangs and I hate BMFC because I prefer the personal touch. But I don't judge those who do. What I call out is the cognitive dissonance and holier than thou attitudes " This is not a shag, you don’t need to keep switching positions! It seems you would take any stance which is most likely to get your tip wet. This has included being dismissive of opinions requested by the OP and shutting down views as nonsense. You took it too far and exposed your misogyny and are now back tracking. Develop an identity which goes beyond your next lay ffs! | |||
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"Okay, if I'm holier than thou, whatever. I don't care. I do care about being seen as some kind of acronym or fetish (BBW, PAWG etc) and fundamentally disagree with the BBC nonsense too. I'm also not my husband's belonging, he does not own me or "take me" anywhere without my express agreement and consent. Everything we do as a couple is with mutual agreement. Anyone who thinks husbands take their wives to be fucked etc is seeing the wife as a chattel, which is a medieval concept. " And that’s totally fine… but there’s also nothing wrong with those who do like to be “owned” or thinks with the “medical concept” you mentioned. Each to their own isn’t it. Think this thread just proves as long as your honest about what you want and not purposely insulting to others then communication is all it takes  | |||
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"Okay, if I'm holier than thou, whatever. I don't care. I do care about being seen as some kind of acronym or fetish (BBW, PAWG etc) and fundamentally disagree with the BBC nonsense too. I'm also not my husband's belonging, he does not own me or "take me" anywhere without my express agreement and consent. Everything we do as a couple is with mutual agreement. Anyone who thinks husbands take their wives to be fucked etc is seeing the wife as a chattel, which is a medieval concept. " Did you see my earlier post? My comments we not directed towards you. Again, they are not personal. I am expressing and attacking ideas and not people. Is that clear enough? I was not suggesting that any of the examples I used applies to you. Hope that is clear | |||
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"Okay, if I'm holier than thou, whatever. I don't care. I do care about being seen as some kind of acronym or fetish (BBW, PAWG etc) and fundamentally disagree with the BBC nonsense too. I'm also not my husband's belonging, he does not own me or "take me" anywhere without my express agreement and consent. Everything we do as a couple is with mutual agreement. Anyone who thinks husbands take their wives to be fucked etc is seeing the wife as a chattel, which is a medieval concept. And that’s totally fine… but there’s also nothing wrong with those who do like to be “owned” or thinks with the “medical concept” you mentioned. Each to their own isn’t it. Think this thread just proves as long as your honest about what you want and not purposely insulting to others then communication is all it takes "True, but can you live a lifestyle where you go home and call your partner an ‘owned slut’ and then turn around a call yourself a champion of women’s rights in the workplace? Can we really be that compartmentalised? | |||
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"Okay, if I'm holier than thou, whatever. I don't care. I do care about being seen as some kind of acronym or fetish (BBW, PAWG etc) and fundamentally disagree with the BBC nonsense too. I'm also not my husband's belonging, he does not own me or "take me" anywhere without my express agreement and consent. Everything we do as a couple is with mutual agreement. Anyone who thinks husbands take their wives to be fucked etc is seeing the wife as a chattel, which is a medieval concept. And that’s totally fine… but there’s also nothing wrong with those who do like to be “owned” or thinks with the “medical concept” you mentioned. Each to their own isn’t it. Think this thread just proves as long as your honest about what you want and not purposely insulting to others then communication is all it takes "I wear a collar and am sexually submissive to my husband, but it is with my consent. The attitude from the poster I was replying to seemed to imply that husbands within couples "take their wives" to be fucked by strangers, as those the wives had nothing to do with the decision. I have no issue with anyone CHOOSING to be "owned" by a partner. But presumably at some point they have given their consent to be owned and therefore are not simply a chattel, but an autonomous individuals who is choosing to hand a level of control to someone else? And they could withdraw that consent at any time. Anything else is coercion. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there Just because that's your experience of swinging, it's not everyone's. Not everyone goes to fuck others within minutes of meeting them. Please remember that. And you can still see someone as a human being, even if your first encounter is with their penis or vagina. Of course they are human. But their humanity is not the motivation. Neither the guys queuing up for a gang bang nor the woman being banged is thinking about the person behind the pussy/cock. That they are a human being is a given and is sufficient. It's the same with BBC. And just because people like to think that they can know someone because of a position taken, I don't do gang bangs and I hate BMFC because I prefer the personal touch. But I don't judge those who do. What I call out is the cognitive dissonance and holier than thou attitudes This is not a shag, you don’t need to keep switching positions! It seems you would take any stance which is most likely to get your tip wet. This has included being dismissive of opinions requested by the OP and shutting down views as nonsense. You took it too far and exposed your misogyny and are now back tracking. Develop an identity which goes beyond your next lay ffs!" Explain, with examples, of a position that I've backtracked on. Don't give me your interpretation. Copy and paste two contradictory arguments from me. Go on | |||
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"Okay, if I'm holier than thou, whatever. I don't care. I do care about being seen as some kind of acronym or fetish (BBW, PAWG etc) and fundamentally disagree with the BBC nonsense too. I'm also not my husband's belonging, he does not own me or "take me" anywhere without my express agreement and consent. Everything we do as a couple is with mutual agreement. Anyone who thinks husbands take their wives to be fucked etc is seeing the wife as a chattel, which is a medieval concept. And that’s totally fine… but there’s also nothing wrong with those who do like to be “owned” or thinks with the “medical concept” you mentioned. Each to their own isn’t it. Think this thread just proves as long as your honest about what you want and not purposely insulting to others then communication is all it takes
I wear a collar and am sexually submissive to my husband, but it is with my consent. The attitude from the poster I was replying to seemed to imply that husbands within couples "take their wives" to be fucked by strangers, as those the wives had nothing to do with the decision.
I have no issue with anyone CHOOSING to be "owned" by a partner. But presumably at some point they have given their consent to be owned and therefore are not simply a chattel, but an autonomous individuals who is choosing to hand a level of control to someone else? And they could withdraw that consent at any time. Anything else is coercion. "See what is happening here? You are putting you own spin on what I said. Yes, I said "take" there wives, but I said nothing one way or the other about consent. That you inferred lack of consent is on you. If I was speaking to an average person and said that I took a woman to dinner, or on holiday, they would not think that I did so without consent. Do you use clumsy language like: "I consented to go to dinner with my husband last night to celebrate our anniversary "? | |||
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I wear a collar and am sexually submissive to my husband, but it is with my consent. The attitude from the poster I was replying to seemed to imply that husbands within couples "take their wives" to be fucked by strangers, as those the wives had nothing to do with the decision.
I have no issue with anyone CHOOSING to be "owned" by a partner. But presumably at some point they have given their consent to be owned and therefore are not simply a chattel, but an autonomous individuals who is choosing to hand a level of control to someone else? And they could withdraw that consent at any time. Anything else is coercion.
See what is happening here? You are putting you own spin on what I said. Yes, I said "take" there wives, but I said nothing one way or the other about consent. That you inferred lack of consent is on you. If I was speaking to an average person and said that I took a woman to dinner, or on holiday, they would not think that I did so without consent. Do you use clumsy language like: "I consented to go to dinner with my husband last night to celebrate our anniversary "?"I went for dinner with my husband. My husband did not take me for dinner. No.1 - he has no means to take me, I am the driver, he has the license. No.2 - I earn a lot more than him. All our money is in a joint account. So no, my husband does not take me for dinner (for example). We go for dinner together | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there" Cognitive dissonance… erm.. nope… what it shows is your personal attitude with regards to your attitude of what swinging is to you.. and to the people you happen to play with… If that’s your opinion… hey… you be you!! I am just going to guess that you don’t bump into people with the other opinions, which is why it’s gotten your back up a bit.. Stranger sex maybe for you… I ain’t knocking people if that is their thing! But it may not be for as many as you think | |||
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"How do you feel about non-black fab users using the term ‘BBC’ as well as those who fetishise black men? Also, how do you feel about events catered towards [typically white] women who enjoy sex with black men? No right or wrong answers – I just want to see where my fellow melanated men stand on this; are you cool with it; is it exploitation to you? " A few points to note. The definition of a fetish: a sexual interest in an object or a part of the body other than the sexual organs: This has nothing to do with prejudice or bigotry. Now the OP said "no right or wrong answers", this on its own, would have made for a good discussion, however, the statement is nullified by asking whether one would feel exploited by its reference. I am afraid here, you are going to get right or wrong answers sir. I guess the general discussion is about black guys and white women, white men or white couples. That is why the discussion is tying itself into knots. The mind, and sexual gratification is complex, some we understand, some we just go with the flow. You are going to get fellow blacks that have no problem being referred to as BBC, they might indeed have big cocks, they are black, and as such find no reason to be aggrieved by the term. And you will also find those that will not find it favorable, because they do not like the term, again, that is a choice. We shouldn't over simplify or read much into the use of terms when it comes to sex, especially on a site like this. This site is all about choice. I agree, they will be people that have inherent prejudicial views that happen to be members, but that should not mean that everyone is.  | |||
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I wear a collar and am sexually submissive to my husband, but it is with my consent. The attitude from the poster I was replying to seemed to imply that husbands within couples "take their wives" to be fucked by strangers, as those the wives had nothing to do with the decision.
I have no issue with anyone CHOOSING to be "owned" by a partner. But presumably at some point they have given their consent to be owned and therefore are not simply a chattel, but an autonomous individuals who is choosing to hand a level of control to someone else? And they could withdraw that consent at any time. Anything else is coercion.
See what is happening here? You are putting you own spin on what I said. Yes, I said "take" there wives, but I said nothing one way or the other about consent. That you inferred lack of consent is on you. If I was speaking to an average person and said that I took a woman to dinner, or on holiday, they would not think that I did so without consent. Do you use clumsy language like: "I consented to go to dinner with my husband last night to celebrate our anniversary "?
I went for dinner with my husband.
My husband did not take me for dinner.
No.1 - he has no means to take me, I am the driver, he has the license.
No.2 - I earn a lot more than him. All our money is in a joint account.
So no, my husband does not take me for dinner (for example). We go for dinner together "Ok, fine. I would still submit that when one uses the word take, the vast majority would hear that as consent implied. But to each her own | |||
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"Okay, if I'm holier than thou, whatever. I don't care. I do care about being seen as some kind of acronym or fetish (BBW, PAWG etc) and fundamentally disagree with the BBC nonsense too. I'm also not my husband's belonging, he does not own me or "take me" anywhere without my express agreement and consent. Everything we do as a couple is with mutual agreement. Anyone who thinks husbands take their wives to be fucked etc is seeing the wife as a chattel, which is a medieval concept. And that’s totally fine… but there’s also nothing wrong with those who do like to be “owned” or thinks with the “medical concept” you mentioned. Each to their own isn’t it. Think this thread just proves as long as your honest about what you want and not purposely insulting to others then communication is all it takes
I wear a collar and am sexually submissive to my husband, but it is with my consent. The attitude from the poster I was replying to seemed to imply that husbands within couples "take their wives" to be fucked by strangers, as those the wives had nothing to do with the decision.
I have no issue with anyone CHOOSING to be "owned" by a partner. But presumably at some point they have given their consent to be owned and therefore are not simply a chattel, but an autonomous individuals who is choosing to hand a level of control to someone else? And they could withdraw that consent at any time. Anything else is coercion.
See what is happening here? You are putting you own spin on what I said. Yes, I said "take" there wives, but I said nothing one way or the other about consent. That you inferred lack of consent is on you. If I was speaking to an average person and said that I took a woman to dinner, or on holiday, they would not think that I did so without consent. Do you use clumsy language like: "I consented to go to dinner with my husband last night to celebrate our anniversary "?
I went for dinner with my husband.
My husband did not take me for dinner.
No.1 - he has no means to take me, I am the driver, he has the license.
No.2 - I earn a lot more than him. All our money is in a joint account.
So no, my husband does not take me for dinner (for example). We go for dinner together
Ok, fine. I would still submit that when one uses the word take, the vast majority would hear that as consent implied. But to each her own"It's the pervasive and inherent assumption that men somehow have the upper hand or some degree of power within a marriage. That's how it feels. Unbelievably, it's possible for a marriage to be a union of equals, no-one has power over the other and neither dictates to the other. A partnership. | |||
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" Not Black men but black men with big penises. Big difference there. On the other side there is the PAWG. No one has ever said that the term PAWG oppresses white women with phat asses. Then there is BBW. ................................ In both those cases the acronym refers to them as people, "Phat Ass White Girls" and "Big Beautiful Women", the tone changes completely if women/girls were changed to "cunts", don't you think? It's perfectly possible you know to express a preference for well endowed black guys by simply describing them as...well endowed black guys, but some are reluctant to accept that the object of the fascination is little more than a sex toy. Point taken. Look, most guys I know will fuck anything with a pulse. I went to a party once and it was shit - only two women. A guy there got a blowjob from a TS even though hw wasn't attracted to TS. He said he just needed a release and that was that. Then there are the 2am women - the kind you only hit up when the club is closing, you need a release and the night has been shit for you. You don't see her as a person. It's just better than walking. What is my point? My opinion is that most people in this game treat people as object of their sexual desire. Sometimes it's akin to a scratching post. You have fun and go back to your real life. You forget most names five minutes after the encounter. If you want to been seen for your intelligence, personality and blah blah blah, then get a life. Reconnect with your family, have children, join a sports group or book club or find a religion. Swinging is not real life. It's an escape into a world where we can satisfy our base urges and fantasies and sometimes that base urge is to gag on the biggest blackest dick she can find. Without more, and I keep using this caveat, she is not a bad person. This says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Just because you dehumanise women and use them as random fuck vessels does not mean other men do the same. That's naff all to do with race and everything to do with a negative attitude to women, in my opinion. I am sure that the women at chams who give me the up and down look at chams and only remember to ask my name after leading me into a room does give a shit that I'm highly educated, read two books a week on average and discuss philosophy for fun. She just wants to fuck me. I'm just an object of her sexual desire. If that's okay with you, then again, I think that reflects on your attitude to sex and with whom you have it. It's not a way either of us could function. The lies we tell ourselves. There are no prudes being fucked by strangers in a car park. What do you think the swinging scene would be like without a liberal attitude to sex? By being here, we are operating on the edge of what the normies considered to be correct attitude to sex and that is why most of us stay anonymous. There is nothing normal about taking you wife to be fucked by strangers. It's not normal and that is fine The more you are challenged the more the reason why you have no issue with BBC becomes apparent. It is all about objectifying for you. What makes you think he takes his wife anywhere and she does not decide herself? I am not saying he does. It's a generalised statement - I never makes things personal. I was merely pointing out that attitudes are subjective and that the normies would find everything we as swingers do outside of what is normal. I'm just saying that you cannot have sex with someone five minutes after you have met them, and often times without exchanging a single word, and claim that you see them as a person. There is too much cognitive dissonance going on there Cognitive dissonance… erm.. nope… what it shows is your personal attitude with regards to your attitude of what swinging is to you.. and to the people you happen to play with… If that’s your opinion… hey… you be you!! I am just going to guess that you don’t bump into people with the other opinions, which is why it’s gotten your back up a bit.. Stranger sex maybe for you… I ain’t knocking people if that is their thing! But it may not be for as many as you think " No, I think that what it proves is that there is no received position. We are not a monolith and are free hold differing. I love a good debate because I enjoy exploring controversial topics. Don't mistake that for my back being up. The correct interpretation is that I'm having a do nothing day | |||
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"Okay, if I'm holier than thou, whatever. I don't care. I do care about being seen as some kind of acronym or fetish (BBW, PAWG etc) and fundamentally disagree with the BBC nonsense too. I'm also not my husband's belonging, he does not own me or "take me" anywhere without my express agreement and consent. Everything we do as a couple is with mutual agreement. Anyone who thinks husbands take their wives to be fucked etc is seeing the wife as a chattel, which is a medieval concept. And that’s totally fine… but there’s also nothing wrong with those who do like to be “owned” or thinks with the “medical concept” you mentioned. Each to their own isn’t it. Think this thread just proves as long as your honest about what you want and not purposely insulting to others then communication is all it takes
I wear a collar and am sexually submissive to my husband, but it is with my consent. The attitude from the poster I was replying to seemed to imply that husbands within couples "take their wives" to be fucked by strangers, as those the wives had nothing to do with the decision.
I have no issue with anyone CHOOSING to be "owned" by a partner. But presumably at some point they have given their consent to be owned and therefore are not simply a chattel, but an autonomous individuals who is choosing to hand a level of control to someone else? And they could withdraw that consent at any time. Anything else is coercion.
See what is happening here? You are putting you own spin on what I said. Yes, I said "take" there wives, but I said nothing one way or the other about consent. That you inferred lack of consent is on you. If I was speaking to an average person and said that I took a woman to dinner, or on holiday, they would not think that I did so without consent. Do you use clumsy language like: "I consented to go to dinner with my husband last night to celebrate our anniversary "?
I went for dinner with my husband.
My husband did not take me for dinner.
No.1 - he has no means to take me, I am the driver, he has the license.
No.2 - I earn a lot more than him. All our money is in a joint account.
So no, my husband does not take me for dinner (for example). We go for dinner together
Ok, fine. I would still submit that when one uses the word take, the vast majority would hear that as consent implied. But to each her own
It's the pervasive and inherent assumption that men somehow have the upper hand or some degree of power within a marriage. That's how it feels. Unbelievably, it's possible for a marriage to be a union of equals, no-one has power over the other and neither dictates to the other. A partnership. "I only speak for myself and I share no such assumptions. If force to state a position I'm more like to come down on the other side. Argue against what I say and not what you think I may mean. Words have meaning | |||
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"I wonder do you think very well endowed guys should be bothered by people saying vwe? This is a term used interchangeably with BBC and again refers only to genitals. Why is this one not problematic" Possibly because it isn't specific for a race of people? One could be very well endowed and be black, white or any other racial group? | |||
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"What's wrong with having a reductuonist fetish? Sissy play is sexist as it often involves imasculation via the feminine and sees femininity as humiliating in some way - doesnt mean those who engage in it are actually sexist though - it aint actually that deep. These are fantasies based on narratives we know to be fictions. A fetish for black people and interracial is to do with societal tabboo but that doesnt mean people engaging in it are racist - they are role playing the tabboo but clearly it isnt an actual tabboo." You don't get the psychological aspect of it. European fetishism of black people comes from a dark and twisted place. Black people have been kidna**ed, killed, dissected and displayed in museums for entertainment just because our body parts are different. You can't compare a guy who dresses as a woman and wants to be called sissy to the fetishisation of black people. Two completely different things | |||
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"What's wrong with having a reductuonist fetish? Sissy play is sexist as it often involves imasculation via the feminine and sees femininity as humiliating in some way - doesnt mean those who engage in it are actually sexist though - it aint actually that deep. These are fantasies based on narratives we know to be fictions. A fetish for black people and interracial is to do with societal tabboo but that doesnt mean people engaging in it are racist - they are role playing the tabboo but clearly it isnt an actual tabboo. You don't get the psychological aspect of it. European fetishism of black people comes from a dark and twisted place. Black people have been kidna**ed, killed, dissected and displayed in museums for entertainment just because our body parts are different. You can't compare a guy who dresses as a woman and wants to be called sissy to the fetishisation of black people. Two completely different things " And you believe any of the bad things has anything to do with the people using the term BBC? And do note that that isn't even me saying the people engaging in the fetishisation | |||
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"What's wrong with having a reductuonist fetish? Sissy play is sexist as it often involves imasculation via the feminine and sees femininity as humiliating in some way - doesnt mean those who engage in it are actually sexist though - it aint actually that deep. These are fantasies based on narratives we know to be fictions. A fetish for black people and interracial is to do with societal tabboo but that doesnt mean people engaging in it are racist - they are role playing the tabboo but clearly it isnt an actual tabboo. You don't get the psychological aspect of it. European fetishism of black people comes from a dark and twisted place. Black people have been kidna**ed, killed, dissected and displayed in museums for entertainment just because our body parts are different. You can't compare a guy who dresses as a woman and wants to be called sissy to the fetishisation of black people. Two completely different things " This comparison is hilarious | |||
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"Surely if you think saying BBC is wrong then so is BWC, Well hung, Busty, Fat, Thin, short, tall. My point is, it's descriptive and that's it. Someone expressing a desire for a BBC is fine, unlike someone who calls you a BBC which is not. Unless you are black and you are a huge cock, rather than a bit of an idiot. Lol I don't think it's racist at all, it's just a requirement." ............................. I think you're demonstrating why the OP was specifically inviting feedback from black males. | |||
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"What's wrong with having a reductuonist fetish? Sissy play is sexist as it often involves imasculation via the feminine and sees [Quote] And you believe any of the bad things has anything to do with the people using the term BBC? And do note that that isn't even me saying the people engaging in the fetishisation Of course the people using the term bbc don't have anything to do with the horrible things that were done to our ancestors but the fetishisation of our body parts is nothing new and it comes from an evil place. Just because a few years has passed doesn't mean we should be naive and forget. Like I said a person needs to appreciate me for me and I'm conscious enough to know when I'm being fetisized or appreciated " It has NOTHING to do with slav*ry. East asian women fetishize whiteness. It's about otherness and the exotic nature of difference. | |||
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 it's a swinging sex site, day I take things too serious on here is the day I delete my account!
Having worked in prison service I been called worse, a fetish term is a serious as a sheep telling a lion there are rats in the shed!
I don't call myself a BBC but I do say BBC related dirty talk during sex so there is that haha
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"It's basically a sexual fetish same thing when white guys behaving like that towards Asian girls and Asian girls like that towards white guys every ethnic group does it but it's generally not seen as acceptable in all other ethnicities so there's more of a feeling they may put someone off by it instead of being so open about it " Basically it's a term used for black guys with big cocks that white, black and every other race of women use - along with corresponding couples, gays, Trans whoever from whichever racial groups. A lot of guys here have taken it as red it's a white guy thing (somehow), or a white thing in general. People like big dick - if someone's going to coin a phrase to attract someone they will. Issue is, half the guys on here act like they haven't at one time or another waved their dick around for a shag, that is, unless they have small dicks and are just shouting about it like white guys would with average cock sizes. (Not saying it isn't a term used inappropriately sometimes but some of the reason given above make this thread sound like mumsnet) | |||
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"Surely if you think saying BBC is wrong then so is BWC, Well hung, Busty, Fat, Thin, short, tall. My point is, it's descriptive and that's it. Someone expressing a desire for a BBC is fine, unlike someone who calls you a BBC which is not. Unless you are black and you are a huge cock, rather than a bit of an idiot. Lol I don't think it's racist at all, it's just a requirement. ............................. I think you're demonstrating why the OP was specifically inviting feedback from black males." Am I? Is that what I'm demonstrating? So glad you told me to save me spending hours wondering what I was demonstrating. Unfortunately I don't think that hard about things, I just see something interesting and type away. It's almost like i think I have the right to type whatever I like into a public forum. Crazy behaviour I know but that's the internet for you. I wonder how many other comments are from people having a snipe at others. Maybe you've won a prize? | |||
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"Surely if you think saying BBC is wrong then so is BWC, Well hung, Busty, Fat, Thin, short, tall. My point is, it's descriptive and that's it. Someone expressing a desire for a BBC is fine, unlike someone who calls you a BBC which is not. Unless you are black and you are a huge cock, rather than a bit of an idiot. Lol I don't think it's racist at all, it's just a requirement. ............................. I think you're demonstrating why the OP was specifically inviting feedback from black males. Am I? Is that what I'm demonstrating? So glad you told me to save me spending hours wondering what I was demonstrating. Unfortunately I don't think that hard about things, I just see something interesting and type away. It's almost like i think I have the right to type whatever I like into a public forum. Crazy behaviour I know but that's the internet for you. I wonder how many other comments are from people having a snipe at others. Maybe you've won a prize? "Her snipe was pretty accurate fwiw | |||
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"Surely if you think saying BBC is wrong then so is BWC, Well hung, Busty, Fat, Thin, short, tall. My point is, it's descriptive and that's it. Someone expressing a desire for a BBC is fine, unlike someone who calls you a BBC which is not. Unless you are black and you are a huge cock, rather than a bit of an idiot. Lol I don't think it's racist at all, it's just a requirement. ............................. I think you're demonstrating why the OP was specifically inviting feedback from black males. Am I? Is that what I'm demonstrating? So glad you told me to save me spending hours wondering what I was demonstrating. Unfortunately I don't think that hard about things, I just see something interesting and type away. It's almost like i think I have the right to type whatever I like into a public forum. Crazy behaviour I know but that's the internet for you. I wonder how many other comments are from people having a snipe at others. Maybe you've won a prize?
Her snipe was pretty accurate fwiw"If you have to ad hominem you're probably wrong. The truth is if the people using BBC also use bwc truly they're just using common nomenclature to express a preference. But by all means let's all assume racism everywhere always with mal intent and never let anything be benign. That's going to work out well | |||
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"Surely if you think saying BBC is wrong then so is BWC, Well hung, Busty, Fat, Thin, short, tall. My point is, it's descriptive and that's it. Someone expressing a desire for a BBC is fine, unlike someone who calls you a BBC which is not. Unless you are black and you are a huge cock, rather than a bit of an idiot. Lol I don't think it's racist at all, it's just a requirement. ............................. I think you're demonstrating why the OP was specifically inviting feedback from black males. Am I? Is that what I'm demonstrating? So glad you told me to save me spending hours wondering what I was demonstrating. Unfortunately I don't think that hard about things, I just see something interesting and type away. It's almost like i think I have the right to type whatever I like into a public forum. Crazy behaviour I know but that's the internet for you. I wonder how many other comments are from people having a snipe at others. Maybe you've won a prize?
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If you have to ad hominem you're probably wrong. The truth is if the people using BBC also use bwc truly they're just using common nomenclature to express a preference. But by all means let's all assume racism everywhere always with mal intent and never let anything be benign. That's going to work out well"Actually I don’t that bwc is used anyway near as much as bbc… and to be honest they mostly just say big cock rather than actually distinguishing If you are going to say it’s not racist in the slightest “to you “ then you have the absolute right to that…. I would say that using the term could be deemed as extremely lazy bearing in mind all the connotations surrounding it and how it could be construed… The language is the language | |||
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"How do you feel about non-black fab users using the term ‘BBC’ as well as those who fetishise black men? Also, how do you feel about events catered towards [typically white] women who enjoy sex with black men? No right or wrong answers – I just want to see where my fellow melanated men stand on this; are you cool with it; is it exploitation to you? " I love it  I'm here to be exploited (Respectfully) | |||
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"How do you feel about non-black fab users using the term ‘BBC’ as well as those who fetishise black men? Also, how do you feel about events catered towards [typically white] women who enjoy sex with black men? No right or wrong answers – I just want to see where my fellow melanated men stand on this; are you cool with it; is it exploitation to you? I love it I'm here to be exploited (Respectfully) "trust id love it too thats a beast dick lol | |||
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Ain’t got time for drama & swinging/world politics.
That’s my 2 cents, now imma go back to flirting with big titty milfs haha | |||
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"Just here to fuck & have a laugh
Ain’t got time for drama & swinging/world politics.
That’s my 2 cents, now imma go back to flirting with big titty milfs haha "Are the MILFs black, white or brown? These are important questions  | |||
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"Just here to fuck & have a laugh
Ain’t got time for drama & swinging/world politics.
That’s my 2 cents, now imma go back to flirting with big titty milfs haha
Are the MILFs black, white or brown? These are important questions "Haha very important
I love them all black, white, brown & all colours of the rainbow | |||
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"I used to be quite indifferent about it until a male FB who was of afro-caribbean descent told me how he felt when people referred to him as a BBC. He felt the term was slightly dehumanizing, and how if he went around calling white women "Milky tits" or something he'd feel like a bit of an idiot. What did it for me though was when I got a random message from a chubby white TV on another app i cant name on here, but its the LGBT-focused one with the orange mask as a logo. I got to discover we were sharing the same man & she was doing a reconnaissance mission, messaging me trying to get me to say something offensive, so she could report back to this guy. She was frequently using BBC & referring to my FB as literally "a BBC". What she didn't know was that my racial background is also partially afro-caribbean so I wasn't really falling for her attempts to lull me into this type of chat. I ended up screenshotting the convo & showed it to FB the next time we met. I think we both knew what she was up to, it wasn't so much what she said (she was just doing it to attempt to incriminate me), but just how pathetic & petty it was that someone would go to these lengths just to have a man all to themselves. How does anyone, who is presumably in gainful employment or at least has hobbies, make time for this kind of shitty drama? Since then I do slightly cringe every time I see the word used." What you’re doing here is using one persons experience and saying that therefore it must be right and apply to everyone. Which is no different to the opposing view. People should just take each other on an individual basis. | |||
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" What you’re doing here is using one persons experience and saying that therefore it must be right and apply to everyone. " I don't think I did that at any point. It's clearly a personal anecdote. I'm basically saying how I feel about it. How you feel about it is your business. | |||
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"How do you feel about non-black fab users using the term ‘BBC’ as well as those who fetishise black men? Also, how do you feel about events catered towards [typically white] women who enjoy sex with black men? No right or wrong answers – I just want to see where my fellow melanated men stand on this; are you cool with it; is it exploitation to you? " Use all tools available to your advantage if someone wants you solely because you're black you have the opportunity to refuse if they make you uncomfortable. I've had loads of fun meets on here as a black man with all different races. BBC term doesn't really exist offline I think but growing up there was always rumours black men were larger than other races | |||
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"I'm not a fan of the term BBC but it's so entrenched there is no point fighting it. Although if it comes up in conversation I tell people not to use the term when talking to me. I treat people on an individual basis. If I get the I'm using you as a walking dick/prop vibe I walk away. If I get the curious about me at a person vibe I'm cool with a person seeing my blackness as one of my attractive features." This sums it up for me | |||
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"How do you feel about non-black fab users using the term ‘BBC’ as well as those who fetishise black men? Also, how do you feel about events catered towards [typically white] women who enjoy sex with black men? No right or wrong answers – I just want to see where my fellow melanated men stand on this; are you cool with it; is it exploitation to you? " I don’t mind the term BBC at all, I think catered events are fine as there are loads of events directed at different niches why should this have one too? I don’t see it as exploitation in my mind, I think everyone should be allowed to explore their kinks as long as all adults involved are consenting | |||
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"BBC means Big Beautiful Cock no matter the colour x" No it doesn’t. Can’t you let [certain] black guys have one positive thing just for them? | |||
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"I'm not a fan of the term BBC but it's so entrenched there is no point fighting it. Although if it comes up in conversation I tell people not to use the term when talking to me. I treat people on an individual basis. If I get the I'm using you as a walking dick/prop vibe I walk away. If I get the curious about me at a person vibe I'm cool with a person seeing my blackness as one of my attractive features." Just as a balancing point of view, we treat all our single men meets as a ‘prop’/sex toy and they are happy and willing to be that. It’s nothing to do with colour and in no way meant to be offensive to the guy. HW likes the anonymity. We make it absolutely clear that’s our fetish, so fair enough if it’s not for you but you may be feeling offended when that wasn’t a couple’s intention, just their kink. | |||
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