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By *bbi184s OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

How do you broach the subject of a crossdressing fantasy with your partner?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not really a question that can be answered

everyone will react different and only you know your partner well enough to know how to approach it in the best manner for her (or him) to accept

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well in my case I should have had her running shoes ready and her bags packed!

But your partner may well be different, and as previously said only you can know that.

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By *nvictusMan
over a year ago

Beeston

I still think dressing whilst angry is a bad move.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

One option is to discuss the option of adding some items of clothing, during sexual play, perhaps adding an item of her clothes etc. That is assuming that you'd like cross dressing and sex somehow mixed together - for many people, dressing isn't about sexual pleasure, but something completely different.

Obviously you may have different sizes, which could prevent one person wearing the other's gear, but some items may be 1 size type things. Otherwise, you could perhaps investigate clubs, bars, coffee shops around you, such as in Edinburgh, where you may both see people who dress - that might be a conversation opener: but would be less personal to you, merely being about others, or the act of dressing etc.

If a guy who's dressing is 100% straight, then there's still no reason not to be in the vicinity of others who are bi, gay, or straight dressers etc, unless due to fear, bigotry etc. I don't know the scene well in the Edinburgh area, but I'd probably look for daytime venues, that you could perhaps pop into whilst shopping etc.

The other option is to come out straight with an expression of your own interest - depending on where she's at with dressing, this may or may not be appropriate, nor get the results you'd like.

Perhaps you could get more thoughts and ideas from those in the tgirl world out there, as most people on Fab will likely have less experience.

Good luck!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the holy grail of all crossdressing questions. When you find out let me know ...

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By *ishopstippleMan
over a year ago

Purley

Invent a sex game like stip poker or twister or something but insted geting naked you swop items of clothing before the finarlly and fucking each others brains out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I told my wife after a we were discussing sexual fantasies.

She has known for years that I have worn her knickers, from the age of 18(she was 16). It never really bothered her as fortunately she is quite open minded.

She never knew that I fully xdressed though....until one night before we were going to sleep she asked me if I had been using her make up as she couldn't find it. I just blurted out that I had! She asked me what else was I up to when she was out as she had noticed down the years some of her clothes with make up stains on and other clothes gone missing( the ones I wanked in!) I told her that I love to xdress as I like the feeling of the satin and silk materials and I just wanted to dress like her!

Her reply was great! She told me everyone has their own thing.

Since then she has bought me a few pairs of knickers, let me wear her satin babydoll to sleep in and also done my make up for me(once only!)... But all on one condition, I don't xdress fully when she's in. I can live with that as I know when she's out for the day she knows exactly what I'll be doing!

She keeps asking if I'm gay now!!! I'm not, just bisexual, but that's another story!! Lol.

At the end of the day, depends on personal circumstances I think. And an understanding wife/partner.

I guess I got lucky with mine!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I told my wife after a we were discussing sexual fantasies.

She has known for years that I have worn her knickers, from the age of 18(she was 16). It never really bothered her as fortunately she is quite open minded.

She never knew that I fully xdressed though....until one night before we were going to sleep she asked me if I had been using her make up as she couldn't find it. I just blurted out that I had! She asked me what else was I up to when she was out as she had noticed down the years some of her clothes with make up stains on and other clothes gone missing( the ones I wanked in!) I told her that I love to xdress as I like the feeling of the satin and silk materials and I just wanted to dress like her!

Her reply was great! She told me everyone has their own thing.

Since then she has bought me a few pairs of knickers, let me wear her satin babydoll to sleep in and also done my make up for me(once only!)... But all on one condition, I don't xdress fully when she's in. I can live with that as I know when she's out for the day she knows exactly what I'll be doing!

She keeps asking if I'm gay now!!! I'm not, just bisexual, but that's another story!! Lol.

At the end of the day, depends on personal circumstances I think. And an understanding wife/partner.

I guess I got lucky with mine!"

Discussing sexual fantasies sounds like a good way to bring up the subject. You could then gauge her reaction and figure out how much you do actually tell her.

I'd be gutted if I had a long term partner and after a few years together he told me he was a cross dresser. I'd want to have known early on because we could have been having tons of fun with it!!

But I guess most women don't think the same way unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm actually always quite calm when I dress....I can't understand folks getting cross about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's a god idea especially coming up to Christmas

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5

Its no different than wearing fancy dress at a party. The guys who "come out" as x-dressers are in the main just confused about their sexuality. In many incidents they feel they have failed as men, they have very few,if any friends, find relating to other men difficult, so maybe dressing up in a womans clothes gives them a new identity.

It used to turn my ex-wife on if i wore her lacy knickers to work, didnt get it myself, but the hottest fucks I had with that woman were always after coming home with my bits in lace, so you think of england and if the woman wants, the woman gets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its no different than wearing fancy dress at a party. The guys who "come out" as x-dressers are in the main just confused about their sexuality. In many incidents they feel they have failed as men, they have very few,if any friends, find relating to other men difficult, so maybe dressing up in a womans clothes gives them a new identity.

It used to turn my ex-wife on if i wore her lacy knickers to work, didnt get it myself, but the hottest fucks I had with that woman were always after coming home with my bits in lace, so you think of england and if the woman wants, the woman gets."

Or then there are the men who were obviously touched inappropriately by a tranny at one time and were worried that they liked it. What would the guys at the lodge say if they knew you got a dirty erection when a man dressed as your mum touched you!!!? You'd be black balled in no time, and not in the way that you often fantasize about either Dave. That big black cock pounding you into the bed while your mummys corset constricts your chest making it hard to breathe. Hmmm, is it twitching Dave? Do all us trannys with our charity shop Mrs Bucket dresses make you leak a tiny bit from the end of your little Willy?

I've some lovely black patent leather thigh boots if that helps? I can't tell you off for being a bad boy and not polishing your Nazi insignias properly. Just like Mummy used to do to you.

Just give me a call on 0800 BIGOTS R US.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before I met Tony and knew about the swinging scene I dated a nice guy in RAF, we met a few times then we booked into a hotel I was looking forward to a nice romantic evening. I was laying on the bed trying to look seductive (don't laugh) he came out tne bathroom wearing a Basque, stockings etc. I was stunned, he looked alot better than me lol. The cross dressing I could deal with but when he brought out all the rubber masks, butt plugs etc I couldn't lol.

Put me in that situation now. !! I might be more welcoming lol

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over a year ago

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5


"Its no different than wearing fancy dress at a party. The guys who "come out" as x-dressers are in the main just confused about their sexuality. In many incidents they feel they have failed as men, they have very few,if any friends, find relating to other men difficult, so maybe dressing up in a womans clothes gives them a new identity.

It used to turn my ex-wife on if i wore her lacy knickers to work, didnt get it myself, but the hottest fucks I had with that woman were always after coming home with my bits in lace, so you think of england and if the woman wants, the woman gets.

Or then there are the men who were obviously touched inappropriately by a tranny at one time and were worried that they liked it. What would the guys at the lodge say if they knew you got a dirty erection when a man dressed as your mum touched you!!!? You'd be black balled in no time, and not in the way that you often fantasize about either Dave. That big black cock pounding you into the bed while your mummys corset constricts your chest making it hard to breathe. Hmmm, is it twitching Dave? Do all us trannys with our charity shop Mrs Bucket dresses make you leak a tiny bit from the end of your little Willy?

I've some lovely black patent leather thigh boots if that helps? I can't tell you off for being a bad boy and not polishing your Nazi insignias properly. Just like Mummy used to do to you.

Just give me a call on 0800 BIGOTS R US.

"

Youre obsessed with calling everyone a bigit who doesnt agree with you, just how am i a bigot by saying that X-dressers are just men in fancy dress ?

X-dressers are NOT accepted or seen in law as anything other than 'strange fantacists who wear womens clothes' - You have no standing whatsoever and never will. If it rocks youre boat to creep about down darkened streets dressed as a woman, thats youre choice. If youre gay, youre gay and everyone is totally behind you (no pun intended) on that, If youre hetrosexual, the same applies, but flogging the olde chestnut that in some way you are acceptable to society is just not true. You are in the main seen as 'odd'.

The OP asked a question regarding her having some bedroom fun, not her bf suddenly sitting down with her parents dressed as a woman.

What you do in the privacy of youre own home is youre choice and in a democracy such as we have now, no-one has the right to refuse you that, but banging youre drum saying youre acceptable to society is not true, and no doubt you have found this out yourself. Rather than calling people names, why not start a post outlining the injustices you feel you attract.

Just looking through the job vacancies section for you. Tick how many jobs you'd be offered dressed as a shelia ?

School Caretaker ? Council Binman ? Kitchen Fitter ? Driving Instrutor ? Police Officer ? Door to Door meter reader ? My new barman ?

See my point ? Its perfectly acceptable for you to do what you want to do in youre own home, but .......?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I thought calling you a bigot for your first post was perhaps slightly unfair. Then I read your next one, Dave.

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5


"I thought calling you a bigot for your first post was perhaps slightly unfair. Then I read your next one, Dave.

"

just how am i a bigot by saying a x-dresser is a man in fancy dress ?

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5

jodie, i love youre messages, how you find the time to write on here all day and stop youre make-up running is to be admired.

So im old school, its took me along time to get my head around men shagging men, geezers dressing up as women is something i do struggle with.

See i was bought up in an age where anything not normal was looked down on, men still went to prison for buggery and even writing about MP's being gay got a infamous magazines editor jailed.

This banter started cos i wont have x-dressers using the ladies in the pub, and regardless if that makes me a bigot, i still wont. Female customers dont want you in there, and blokes would prefer it if you had a pee outside.

But none of that makes me a bigot, we just have different values. As for a previous poster who reckoned there were x-dressers in fakenham ? he doesnt know fakenham

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Dave,

That comment is not really the bit that made me think you are a bigot, though it shows a little ignorance.

I'd rather engage you in conversation than swap insults. You might change your view, you might not.

On Friday night I was out in Leeds. There were 150 tgirls or so enjoying the bars around the lower briggate part of Leeds. At one point in the night I went to a straight bar because I like the cocktails and the music. While there I got talking to a group of guys from down south who had come up for a leaving do. They asked me all sorts of questions about my sexuality and why I do this.

At the end a couple of them told me I had completely changed their views on transvestites. They even came to the next pub with me.

The point is they had formed views from a position of ignorance, but that changed once they had met someone and processed new information. Perhaps the views of some of them did not change, but at least they were better informed.

Have a read back of your second post. Is there not some things that you can see were wrong to put? I was not lurking in any shadows on Friday night for instance, but for those tgirls who do, perhaps it is the intolerance of some people that makes them do that.

Personally, I think attitudes are changing, in the same way that it did for black people and gay people, it just takes time.

Saying it never will change is the very definition of bigotry.

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"jodie, i love youre messages, how you find the time to write on here all day and stop youre make-up running is to be admired.

So im old school, its took me along time to get my head around men shagging men, geezers dressing up as women is something i do struggle with.

See i was bought up in an age where anything not normal was looked down on, men still went to prison for buggery and even writing about MP's being gay got a infamous magazines editor jailed.

This banter started cos i wont have x-dressers using the ladies in the pub, and regardless if that makes me a bigot, i still wont. Female customers dont want you in there, and blokes would prefer it if you had a pee outside.

But none of that makes me a bigot, we just have different values. As for a previous poster who reckoned there were x-dressers in fakenham ? he doesnt know fakenham "

I was born a bred in fakenham, I can give you the details of 3, one being a family member! But im sure there are more! As i said before hust because you cant see them doesnt mean they are not there!! Think I know the place alittle better than you sweetheart!

I'm very shocked by some of your statements including the 'fancydress'. It is not just fancy dress for most! Its about feeling comfortable in youre own skin. Xdressers do nothing for me, along with gay and bi men, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see them having fun along with the rest of us. Yes you're correct in terms of the law xdressers are men so why not the men's? No different to a guy in a dress on a stag do! If everyone thought along the same lines as you things would never change. Im gobsmacked that someone wanting to open a swinging club has such out dated views! In the last 20/30 years see how much has changed in regards to equal rights, I can only see things changing more....for the better!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dave

It does make you a bigot, its people like you who make it socially unacceptable in the main for crossdressers to be out in public without ridicule.

You have no idea, you mentioned in your earlier post that crossdressers are confused about their sexuality and are failed men, what a load of tosh, what do you base that on, I have loads of friends, a very healthy and interesting "male" life. I have an interesting TV life, its not ideal to have the two separated but that's just the way it is.

You say crossdressers are not recognised by the law, so which act and section of which law says a man cannot wear women's clothing in public, there wont be one. your living in the past mate, we kn ow in the main that its not acceptable to be in public whilst "dressed" and I would no more tell a potential employer that I was a crossdresser than I would tell them I was a member of a swinger site....would you, because a lot of people wouldnt think that was acceptable.

I think your a little misguided, if you gave people like us a chance you might find you like us.

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5


"jodie, i love youre messages, how you find the time to write on here all day and stop youre make-up running is to be admired.

So im old school, its took me along time to get my head around men shagging men, geezers dressing up as women is something i do struggle with.

See i was bought up in an age where anything not normal was looked down on, men still went to prison for buggery and even writing about MP's being gay got a infamous magazines editor jailed.

This banter started cos i wont have x-dressers using the ladies in the pub, and regardless if that makes me a bigot, i still wont. Female customers dont want you in there, and blokes would prefer it if you had a pee outside.

But none of that makes me a bigot, we just have different values. As for a previous poster who reckoned there were x-dressers in fakenham ? he doesnt know fakenham

I was born a bred in fakenham, I can give you the details of 3, one being a family member! But im sure there are more! As i said before hust because you cant see them doesnt mean they are not there!! Think I know the place alittle better than you sweetheart!

I'm very shocked by some of your statements including the 'fancydress'. It is not just fancy dress for most! Its about feeling comfortable in youre own skin. Xdressers do nothing for me, along with gay and bi men, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see them having fun along with the rest of us. Yes you're correct in terms of the law xdressers are men so why not the men's? No different to a guy in a dress on a stag do! If everyone thought along the same lines as you things would never change. Im gobsmacked that someone wanting to open a swinging club has such out dated views! In the last 20/30 years see how much has changed in regards to equal rights, I can only see things changing more....for the better! "

Yes alot has changed in the past 20 yrs, and not all of it has been good.

Its been banter, and as a licencee and club owner i do have to 'see' things different, so you're right in that, but only upto a point.

The vast majority of my customers are straight couples and singles, and aslong as the balance remains that way, it is there interest that i have to maintain and support.

Ask people how many would be happy their children are being taught in school by a x-dresser and you'd get a different picture from the one often spoke about here - "The its alright but not on my doorstep" views would soon be spoken.

You say you know fakenham better than i do ? its a pointless argument, my late father was a licencee for 38 years in one oub there, i went to school there as did my brother and sisters. My best friend keeps a pub there now, so i do have some idea of whats happening in Fakenham, but as i said you in Manchester may well know alot more than i do !

Its all pretty pointless, You want x-dressers teaching youre kids, i dont. You want them using the ladies, I dont. You think as a swinging club owner i should let in all and sundry - Norfolk City Council and I dont believe that.

Its good to have different opinions, it doesnt make one person right or another wrong, its an opinion and one which we are all entitled too.

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By *uncpl2015Couple
over a year ago

Bridgend Area

Okay this is an adult site and roll on the day we can all behave like it.

Right we wont meet bi men gay men cd or tv/ts.. not for us at all, however if thats what those people want to do carry on and have a have a good time.

Why cannot people allow each to their own and have to resort to trying to change peoples minds or thoughts. i have a right not to be interested in any of it the same as those people have the right to do it... however this is the same as we as straight have the right not to have anything shoved in our faces if we so choose and the right not to be labelled and called names for it. The same as all bi men, tv/ts, cd etc have the right to be allowed to go about their business without having abuse or names etc hurled at them.

Far too much tine is spent trying to change people.. its fun for gods sake have fun and if people of whatever tyoe build sexuality are not for you then leave them alone and find ones that are of your persuation.

I have to agree on one tiny point .. i would (mrs) have issue with a cd using ladies in a pub or similar etc.. i dont think that is correct..

its womens or mens.. Labelling on the door is the persons sex and not their sexuality or dressing preference. so have to say that no matter how you choose to dress if you are a man you should use the mens.

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By *ss2011Man
over a year ago

Leeds/Bradford

He is from Norwich for god sake. Well known for being a backwards place which is stuck in the dark ages.

Leave him be to be a bigot in Norwich...it is his life he is wasting by staying in such a county.

TV's are great, as Alan Patridge would say, "cash backkkkk"

But on a serious note, Dave, loads of people do it...the people that tend to do it live in places where normal people live and not a place where there is thousands upon thousands of medically proven imbreds.

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"jodie, i love youre messages, how you find the time to write on here all day and stop youre make-up running is to be admired.

So im old school, its took me along time to get my head around men shagging men, geezers dressing up as women is something i do struggle with.

See i was bought up in an age where anything not normal was looked down on, men still went to prison for buggery and even writing about MP's being gay got a infamous magazines editor jailed.

This banter started cos i wont have x-dressers using the ladies in the pub, and regardless if that makes me a bigot, i still wont. Female customers dont want you in there, and blokes would prefer it if you had a pee outside.

But none of that makes me a bigot, we just have different values. As for a previous poster who reckoned there were x-dressers in fakenham ? he doesnt know fakenham

I was born a bred in fakenham, I can give you the details of 3, one being a family member! But im sure there are more! As i said before hust because you cant see them doesnt mean they are not there!! Think I know the place alittle better than you sweetheart!

I'm very shocked by some of your statements including the 'fancydress'. It is not just fancy dress for most! Its about feeling comfortable in youre own skin. Xdressers do nothing for me, along with gay and bi men, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see them having fun along with the rest of us. Yes you're correct in terms of the law xdressers are men so why not the men's? No different to a guy in a dress on a stag do! If everyone thought along the same lines as you things would never change. Im gobsmacked that someone wanting to open a swinging club has such out dated views! In the last 20/30 years see how much has changed in regards to equal rights, I can only see things changing more....for the better!

Yes alot has changed in the past 20 yrs, and not all of it has been good.

Its been banter, and as a licencee and club owner i do have to 'see' things different, so you're right in that, but only upto a point.

The vast majority of my customers are straight couples and singles, and aslong as the balance remains that way, it is there interest that i have to maintain and support.

Ask people how many would be happy their children are being taught in school by a x-dresser and you'd get a different picture from the one often spoke about here - "The its alright but not on my doorstep" views would soon be spoken.

You say you know fakenham better than i do ? its a pointless argument, my late father was a licencee for 38 years in one oub there, i went to school there as did my brother and sisters. My best friend keeps a pub there now, so i do have some idea of whats happening in Fakenham, but as i said you in Manchester may well know alot more than i do !

Its all pretty pointless, You want x-dressers teaching youre kids, i dont. You want them using the ladies, I dont. You think as a swinging club owner i should let in all and sundry - Norfolk City Council and I dont believe that.

Its good to have different opinions, it doesnt make one person right or another wrong, its an opinion and one which we are all entitled too."

Haha am pissing my self now!!!! did you not realise that you were taught by one? (I'm presuming it was the high school you attended?) he was there when my dad was there and left in the early 90s so you would have definatly been in contact with him!!!

I have never commented on who you should or shouldn't let in. Or the opinions of NCC.

Argument? You stated I did not know the place, I just put you right. I see no argument

What annoyed me in the first instance is that you seem to take the word of people in a pub spouting heresay as gospel instead of conducting informed research.

I am with you a much need club in the city and as u said have been following the thread, pleased to see you have taken many issues on board but still very obtuse when it comes to the above

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

This has gone well off topic.

The question of toilets is a thorny one.

If I am presenting as female then I use the ladies.

Think about it. It isn't acceptable to use a disabled toilet and deprive a disabled person of that option and it is going to freak out a lot of men to go in their toilets and could lead, indeed has lead, to violence.

I understand that some women may be concerned, though in general most women are far more tolerant and accepting than men of us.

The concerns some women have though are again born of ignorance. Many people assume we do this for sexual reasons. There are some who are sexual fetishists. They never leave the bedroom.

For those of us who venture out into the world, we're not getting a sexual thrill out of visiting ladies toilets.

People shouldn't confuse me being on this site with me having a sexual motive for dressing.

I do it because it is part of me. It comes and goes and it's not well understood. I can only describe it as a something that builds up in pressure that I need to do. When dressed, that all dissipates away and I just feel an inner calm, or peace and it makes me happy. I am happy doing normal things like shopping, going for a coffee, a meal or to a concert.

Sometimes I do like sex, but that is just the same as everyone else.

And I am a transvestite, not a transexual. It is very different for them and they are entitled to use the ladies, are protected in law and you would not know if a trans person in the ladies was transexual or transvestite.

If they make an effort, dress appropriately and most importantly behave properly, it shouldn't be an issue surely.

And we do. More than you've spotted, I'll wager.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I still think dressing whilst angry is a bad move. "

thats funny right there!

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Excuse my grammar, my phone doesnt seem to like me today, I'm sure you'll forgive my mistakes. Hmmm, maybe not as i have been educated by a cross dresser lol

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria


"Its no different than wearing fancy dress at a party. The guys who "come out" as x-dressers are in the main just confused about their sexuality. In many incidents they feel they have failed as men, they have very few,if any friends, find relating to other men difficult, so maybe dressing up in a womans clothes gives them a new identity.

It used to turn my ex-wife on if i wore her lacy knickers to work, didnt get it myself, but the hottest fucks I had with that woman were always after coming home with my bits in lace, so you think of england and if the woman wants, the woman gets."

Oh Dave, part of me wants to congratulate you on being a hairy pants wearer for your ex, another part of me wants to yell "pussy whipped wimp" but I'll do neither.

Coming from a town where poofters are still frowned upon and lezzies just haven't had the right guy shag them yet, I hadn't met many tgirls until I started back swinging and visiting clubs in Manchester and the gay village. To me, it's never the clothes someone wears, it's the person within those clothes that will make me want to spend time with that person - I'm the same with skin colour - that's just me. Your insistence that TVs/CDs have no protection in law is wrong I believe. If I beat up a TV for being a "cock in a frock" I'd expect the same force of law applied to me as if I beat up an Asian for being a "paki". Also, your sweeping statements regarding CDs just blow me away - obviously the blokes in the pub you spoke to at the weekend were fonts of all knowledge.


"See i was bought up in an age where anything not normal was looked down on, men still went to prison for buggery and even writing about MP's being gay got a infamous magazines editor jailed."

Unless you're lying about your age Dave, you bad, bad boy, you're a year older than me. I was born in 1967, the year the Sexual Offences Act decriminalised homosexual acts between 2 consenting adults over the age of 21 in England and Wales. You may have been bought up by bigotted people (as was I), but try not to let it follow you down the years. My mam is a dyed in the wool racist, sexist and homophobe - she'll say "I'm not racist/sexist/against queers but..." then come out with something that would make Nick Griffin blush - I do pull her up on it, but she just sees it as speaking her mind so I take it with a pinch of salt and do my best to make sure she doesn't come out with any controversial opinions in public!

Well Dave, that's my tuppence worth for this thread - dunno if you're deliberately trying to provoke the transvestites and cross dressers into knee-jerk posting, but at least you can rest assured that you won't be having a shedload of them banging on the door for Sinatra's membership - along with a lot of people who would prefer going to a club which accepts members from all walks of life

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"This has gone well off topic.

The question of toilets is a thorny one.

If I am presenting as female then I use the ladies.

Think about it. It isn't acceptable to use a disabled toilet and deprive a disabled person of that option and it is going to freak out a lot of men to go in their toilets and could lead, indeed has lead, to violence.

I understand that some women may be concerned, though in general most women are far more tolerant and accepting than men of us.

The concerns some women have though are again born of ignorance. Many people assume we do this for sexual reasons. There are some who are sexual fetishists. They never leave the bedroom.

For those of us who venture out into the world, we're not getting a sexual thrill out of visiting ladies toilets.

People shouldn't confuse me being on this site with me having a sexual motive for dressing.

I do it because it is part of me. It comes and goes and it's not well understood. I can only describe it as a something that builds up in pressure that I need to do. When dressed, that all dissipates away and I just feel an inner calm, or peace and it makes me happy. I am happy doing normal things like shopping, going for a coffee, a meal or to a concert.

Sometimes I do like sex, but that is just the same as everyone else.

And I am a transvestite, not a transexual. It is very different for them and they are entitled to use the ladies, are protected in law and you would not know if a trans person in the ladies was transexual or transvestite.

If they make an effort, dress appropriately and most importantly behave properly, it shouldn't be an issue surely.

And we do. More than you've spotted, I'll wager.

"

I never really thought about the toilet issue, can't say it bothers me, there are lots of unisex toilets in the clubs around here. Although an extra person to borrow puppy from is never a bad thing

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"This has gone well off topic.

The question of toilets is a thorny one.

If I am presenting as female then I use the ladies.

Think about it. It isn't acceptable to use a disabled toilet and deprive a disabled person of that option and it is going to freak out a lot of men to go in their toilets and could lead, indeed has lead, to violence.

I understand that some women may be concerned, though in general most women are far more tolerant and accepting than men of us.

The concerns some women have though are again born of ignorance. Many people assume we do this for sexual reasons. There are some who are sexual fetishists. They never leave the bedroom.

For those of us who venture out into the world, we're not getting a sexual thrill out of visiting ladies toilets.

People shouldn't confuse me being on this site with me having a sexual motive for dressing.

I do it because it is part of me. It comes and goes and it's not well understood. I can only describe it as a something that builds up in pressure that I need to do. When dressed, that all dissipates away and I just feel an inner calm, or peace and it makes me happy. I am happy doing normal things like shopping, going for a coffee, a meal or to a concert.

Sometimes I do like sex, but that is just the same as everyone else.

And I am a transvestite, not a transexual. It is very different for them and they are entitled to use the ladies, are protected in law and you would not know if a trans person in the ladies was transexual or transvestite.

If they make an effort, dress appropriately and most importantly behave properly, it shouldn't be an issue surely.

And we do. More than you've spotted, I'll wager.

I never really thought about the toilet issue, can't say it bothers me, there are lots of unisex toilets in the clubs around here. Although an extra person to borrow puppy from is never a bad thing "
lippy not puppy lol

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"He is from Norwich for god sake. Well known for being a backwards place which is stuck in the dark ages.

Leave him be to be a bigot in Norwich...it is his life he is wasting by staying in such a county.

TV's are great, as Alan Patridge would say, "cash backkkkk"

But on a serious note, Dave, loads of people do it...the people that tend to do it live in places where normal people live and not a place where there is thousands upon thousands of medically proven imbreds. "

I hope my medically proven inbred status has been reversed since moving up north!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes you can have opinions which are right and wrong. 1930's German opinion on Jews for example. Would you say "everyone is entitled to that view"? I sincerely hope not.

Not everyone's opinion is equally valid on any subject, that's something which the media has encouraged when Facebook and Twitter

gave every yee-haa a voice. Now everyone thinks their opinion should count equally when most spout utter rubbish without thinking.

So to say that everyone would agree with you on the subject of a TV teaching

kids is completely wrong. Its the same as saying "I don't want a black person teaching my kids". Or "I don't want homosexual teaching my kids".

It.

Is.

Wrong.

You are not allowed to discriminate against anyone in this country at this time. That is a fact. Blokes in your pub may agree with you, but you are all wrong. There is discrimination legislation that covers everyone and says that you must not be discriminated against for who you are. It covers your pub too. See the b+b owners who were prosecuted successfully the other week for saying two gay men couldn't stay. If you have a business that allows the public into your establishment then you cannot discriminate. I'll grant you that your proposed club is different as its members only. But your pubs are a different matter. If you told me to get out because of the way I look then you'd very soon be at the end of some bad publicity.

So if a teacher came out and started to teach while dressed then the school could not fire him as long as he continues to do his job to the best of his ability. If narrow minded parents such as yourself choose to remove their kids from the school rather than explain to them that people are all different and that it's acceptable, then that's your choice and we can only hope that your children grow up and learn well from another source.

I can't explain it any more plainly to you.I'm sorry that you don't get it I really am, I've never wished anyone ill in my life but I really hope your proposed club fails. To see you running a swingers club with the most narrow minded attitude just appalls me.

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

Oh, and OP, I apologise for carrying on the "discussion" with Horsydave and not addressing your question - I would echo what others have said and talk to your partner about your fantasies - also ask her if she has any fantasies she'd like to pursue - who knows - a new couple profile could be on the cards! Good luck

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria


"He is from Norwich for god sake. Well known for being a backwards place which is stuck in the dark ages.

Leave him be to be a bigot in Norwich...it is his life he is wasting by staying in such a county.

TV's are great, as Alan Patridge would say, "cash backkkkk"

But on a serious note, Dave, loads of people do it...the people that tend to do it live in places where normal people live and not a place where there is thousands upon thousands of medically proven imbreds.

I hope my medically proven inbred status has been reversed since moving up north! "

So long as you don't venture into Cumbria where you would immediately revert and find your 6th finger growing back you should be ok...Though we do quite a lot of puppy swapping round here

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"He is from Norwich for god sake. Well known for being a backwards place which is stuck in the dark ages.

Leave him be to be a bigot in Norwich...it is his life he is wasting by staying in such a county.

TV's are great, as Alan Patridge would say, "cash backkkkk"

But on a serious note, Dave, loads of people do it...the people that tend to do it live in places where normal people live and not a place where there is thousands upon thousands of medically proven imbreds.

I hope my medically proven inbred status has been reversed since moving up north!

So long as you don't venture into Cumbria where you would immediately revert and find your 6th finger growing back you should be ok...Though we do quite a lot of puppy swapping round here "
ah, OH has an office in Kendal and one in Penrith, I'll be checking fingers/toes/cock for any new growth! Oh, and the boot for hidden puppies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh you cumbrians get about a bit. Must be the prehensile tails

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

I'd never put anything in a private message that I wasn't prepared to say in an open forum so that kinda says to me that your messagees are lily-livered cowards as well as bigots - at least you'll get some members then

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria


"Oh you cumbrians get about a bit. Must be the prehensile tails "

I've never shown you my cock pic Jodie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I said. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it right. See my previous post on anti discrimination law. Its all there and you still don't get it do you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh you cumbrians get about a bit. Must be the prehensile tails

I've never shown you my cock pic Jodie "

A woman with a cock! The very thought disgusts me!

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Where did that post go from Dave which listed the private replies he had supporting him?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I'd just typed this too:-

I don't understand why people feel so threatened by us.

I try to be a nice person.

I'd take no pleasure by making people uncomfortable in my presence.

I'm not sure how you would solve my toilet dilemma. Are you proposing every pub has a trans toilet? That seems silly. Some men would take more offence than women at seeing me in their toilets. Add a little alcohol to the anger and I will become a victim of violence. Is that the sort of price that women would like me to pay for wearing their lovely clothes in public? I have far more faith in the gender I admire so much to think that all but a very few would want that.

So all that leaves is me to stay at home. What a pity some people feel they can wear certain garments but have the right to forbid others, even if it is only 'fancy dress'.

The strange thing is most of the tgirls I've met are nice, quiet(timid even) friendly, brave people. It isn't easy doing what we do, which should tell you this is not a frivolous whim. Most of us would have loved not to have been born this way. Life would have been much easier.

Perhaps those that are scared of us would find us less intimidating, if that is the word, if they engaged with us.

I'm happy to talk to anyone on here or when I'm out, without taking offence at your difference of opinion. One does develop a thick skin doing this, the trick is to keep smiling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does seem absurd is expecting legislation to simply change attitudes and usher in unequivocal acceptance of any situation that’s known to divide opinion….

It seems unreasonably optimistic for people who wish to gain acceptance of their life-choices to unreservedly demand acceptance into mainstream society just because of the discrimination act…..

To effect change requires tolerance from all sides which can only be brought about by the slow process of disabling suspicion and prejudice,,,,,

People with a vested interest in instigating change should be prepared to allow the rest of society the respect of moving at a pace, which doesn’t run the risk of causing alarm or offence by force fitting those changes they want to see happen…

OK thats my tuppence worth....and rassssssp to anyone who doesn't agree,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It makes me sad. Really sad. Why can't people just be tolerant and let people live their lives the way they want to? It doesn't hurt anyone. If it makes people happy then why can't they just be left to be happy?

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