FabSwingers.com forum: Trans Issues

By *ayswa78928 OP Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Hi all-

I am studying a Level 4 Diploma In Counselling and I am extremely ignorant about Trans issues.

Can someone give me some insight of your experiences. I would be really interested in hearing why you do this, and how it makes you feel.

Thanks

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?"

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, not those trans people that genuinely identify as another gender and whole heartedly commit to their transition... or at least I hope he is otherwise he really is showing his ignorance lol.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

Oh boy...

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By *illie99TV/TS
over a year ago

Central Scotland

For someone that is studying counselling it looks like you have quite a bit to learn on your interaction and communication skills.

You might a want to consider rewording your question a little. Actually you might want to consider rewording it a lot!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of threads currently.

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By *ayswa78928 OP Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Thanks for some of the replies.

What I was looking for was if you are a man is there an overwhelming feeling to dress as a woman? What happens if you have to deny this experience? Is there a relationship between this an your sexuality?

Has anyone had a sex change operation? How did you feel before and then after.

If I offend it is not through intention it is because I have absolutely no idea about this issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thanks for some of the replies.

Has anyone had a sex change operation? How did you feel before and then after.

If I offend it is not through intention it is because I have absolutely no idea about this issue."

“sex change operation “

Did you see what you just said.

Also ….

I’ve never felt the overwhelming need to dress like a woman.

I dress to fit in with how I present… As a woman # TransWomenAreWomen.

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Do me a favour, if this is genuinely an enquiry related to a counselling qualification, don't take on any trans clients.

Go and look at the stonewall glossary or contact your local lgbt organisation who can point you to educational resources.

It's very difficult to provide any useful answers because your questions are so vague, anachronistic or poorly framed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

^^^ what _alice said ^^^

There’s some great resources out there to get you started and maybe then come back for some more specific questions but would be worth familiarising yourself with some basics first

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By *ayswa78928 OP Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

This is a genuine thread and I would agree I am anachronistic. The reason why is because I do not know and trans people.

I am interested in how you feel. With regards to gender re-assignment did you feel that you were born into the wrong body for example, hence the reason for the need to change?

I was trying to gain some insight to feeling so I can connect some empathy.

I am not trying to upset anyone, and if this does upset you please pass me by. The last thing I am trying to do is cause anyone upset or distress.

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

And this is a genuine answer. Do some proper research from published material from lgbt organisations. Using a swinger forum as a source for information to be used as a basis for providing counselling services is frankly so stupid it makes it hard to believe its a genuine enquiry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please find another career path

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do me a favour, if this is genuinely an enquiry related to a counselling qualification, don't take on any trans clients.

Go and look at the stonewall glossary or contact your local lgbt organisation who can point you to educational resources.

It's very difficult to provide any useful answers because your questions are so vague, anachronistic or poorly framed."

Right!!!

Although I think most minorities would prefer a counsellor/therapist who shares the same characteristics as them

My black friends will only see black female therapists and my trans friends sees a trans therapist.

I guess it's to avoid ending up in situations where she's paying for help only for her therapist to ask "why do you do this?"

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By *al kalMan
over a year ago

london

"This is a genuine thread and I would agree I am anachronistic. The reason why is because I do not know and trans people.

I am interested in how you feel. With regards to gender re-assignment did you feel that you were born into the wrong body for example, hence the reason for the need to change?

I was trying to gain some insight to feeling so I can connect some empathy.

I am not trying to upset anyone, and if this does upset you please pass me by. The last thing I am trying to do is cause anyone upset or distress."

Before gaining any insight regarding feelings perhaps you should really really step back and do some basic background research as the ladies above has suggested. Otherwise you will probably upset your target audience with your naivety and asking questions that are quite vague or inappropriate, and people may not want to engage with someone who has not even obtained a basic level understanding. Get this before thinking about therapeutic connections as what you are trying to delve into is not trivial. Not trying to be harsh, but it comes across like you are flying blind with your questions.

Get a clearer understanding of the differences in identifies( the concepts) between the categories of crossdressors, TV and Transgender. They are not the same. It’s basic info and will help you be more target specific in your future questions.

Really worth reading into Gender Dysphoria (it’s on the NHS website for example, which I found it in less than 5 seconds on google), and you may see that your earlier question regarding re-assignment may answers itself.

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

There is some great stuff on you tube, try the Transatlantic call in show with Katy Montgomery and Arden Hart. Their show is especially interesting because it discusses topical issues from work and family to religion and politics. Katy is British and Arden is American and people call in from all over the world to debate and discuss.

It's more relevant than ever, with the rapid regression and attacks on transgender rights and freedoms in Republican led states!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a minefield.

AVOID

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By *ayswa78928 OP Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Thanks for the replies that really does highlight my ignorance.

I was genuinely looking for some insight and some connection to understand, probably not the best place to ask.

I will do some research on the issue.

I can understand the depth of feeling on a minority that is not fully understood by most of society. I am trying to understand and a willingness to builds bridges.

Regards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thanks for the replies that really does highlight my ignorance.

I was genuinely looking for some insight and some connection to understand, probably not the best place to ask.

I will do some research on the issue.

I can understand the depth of feeling on a minority that is not fully understood by most of society. I am trying to understand and a willingness to builds bridges.

Regards

Seriously. Avoid.

You'll never EVER please these people.

Best go into the detransitoner field as there is a burgeoning amount of people regretting going on puberty blockers & having the irreversible surgery.

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By *al kalMan
over a year ago

london

"Seriously. Avoid.

You'll never EVER please these people.

Best go into the detransitoner field as there is a burgeoning amount of people regretting going on puberty blockers & having the irreversible surgery.

Which “these people” are you referring to?

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By *ayswa78928 OP Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Thanks

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

A Trans woman doesn’t know why I dress up. I also don’t know what it feels like to be born in the wrong body.

Because the only thing a Transvestite and a Transexual have in common is the Trans bit, in my opinion.

So I’ll explain about myself.

A common misconception on this site especially, is a Transvestite dresses up for sexual reasons. Some do some don’t, but I don’t masturbate or have sex after every dressing session.

I love going out and socialising dressed up, drinking with friends a dance or just walking down the street is pleasurable. My bisexuality is linked to my crossdressing without it, I’d probably be straight as in male mode I’m mostly attracted to women.

Lastly is the ‘need to dress’ aspect, it’s not a choice this thing I do. I’m drawn to feminine clothing and expressing a more gentle side to my personality (I no longer call it feminine side). It’s difficult to explain or explore these feelings I have towards dressing up fully and changing my body, so it appears to look as close to a woman as possible.

I suppose the closest I can get is, it’s like having a craving for a particular food. That desire to eat something, it just takes over your thoughts and desires. Well that’s similar to how I feel some days or I’ll see something that triggers it.

As I say this is personal to me and I am not trying to say this is the same for all crossdressers or transvestites. Some may agree with me others won’t.

Hope that answers or helps your research Op

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By *ayswa78928 OP Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Thanks for your reply and what a lovely response.

That is really helpful and personal and I appreciate you taking the time to reply. It gives me some understanding of feeling, and helps me connect with you on a humanistic level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously. Avoid.

You'll never EVER please these people.

Best go into the detransitoner field as there is a burgeoning amount of people regretting going on puberty blockers & having the irreversible surgery.

Which “these people” are you referring to? "

The ones above jumping down the throat of the OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, "
Those people are not men, they are trans women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously. Avoid.

You'll never EVER please these people.

Best go into the detransitoner field as there is a burgeoning amount of people regretting going on puberty blockers & having the irreversible surgery.

Which “these people” are you referring to?

The ones above jumping down the throat of the OP"

Lol

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By *al kalMan
over a year ago

london

"Seriously. Avoid.

You'll never EVER please these people.

Best go into the detransitoner field as there is a burgeoning amount of people regretting going on puberty blockers & having the irreversible surgery.

Which “these people” are you referring to?

The ones above jumping down the throat of the OP"

So by “these people” it seems that you are referring to transgender woman?, correct me if this is wrong….

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By *al kalMan
over a year ago

london

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, Those people are not men, they are trans women. "

I think the person replying to the OP, referring to the thrill is trying to highlight the difference between those who are male crossdressers/TVs to those who are transgendered woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, Those people are not men, they are trans women.

I think the person replying to the OP, referring to the thrill is trying to highlight the difference between those who are male crossdressers/TVs to those who are transgendered woman."
All crossdressers and TVs who wear women's clothes are trans women for whilever they choose to identify as a woman.

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By *al kalMan
over a year ago

london

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, Those people are not men, they are trans women.

I think the person replying to the OP, referring to the thrill is trying to highlight the difference between those who are male crossdressers/TVs to those who are transgendered woman. All crossdressers and TVs who wear women's clothes are trans women for whilever they choose to identify as a woman."

Not all crossdressers or TVs would identify (partly or fully) as a woman from a mentality sense while dressed up. Seems like there is a distinction here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, Those people are not men, they are trans women.

I think the person replying to the OP, referring to the thrill is trying to highlight the difference between those who are male crossdressers/TVs to those who are transgendered woman. All crossdressers and TVs who wear women's clothes are trans women for whilever they choose to identify as a woman.

Not all crossdressers or TVs would identify (partly or fully) as a woman from a mentality sense while dressed up. Seems like there is a distinction here."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" All crossdressers and TVs who wear women's clothes are trans women for whilever they choose to identify as a woman."

Not all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, Those people are not men, they are trans women.

I think the person replying to the OP, referring to the thrill is trying to highlight the difference between those who are male crossdressers/TVs to those who are transgendered woman. All crossdressers and TVs who wear women's clothes are trans women for whilever they choose to identify as a woman.

Not all crossdressers or TVs would identify (partly or fully) as a woman from a mentality sense while dressed up. Seems like there is a distinction here."

I agree with you!

also it’s not a switch. Either somebody’s self perception (or soul) is woman or not.

I don’t get this “ Only when it suits me I’m a woman and when it doesn’t then I’m not anymore”

Being a woman isn’t a costume that somebody puts on and take off when it suits them.

And without sounding controversial, clothes have nothing to do with gender identity

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, Those people are not men, they are trans women.

I think the person replying to the OP, referring to the thrill is trying to highlight the difference between those who are male crossdressers/TVs to those who are transgendered woman. All crossdressers and TVs who wear women's clothes are trans women for whilever they choose to identify as a woman.

Not all crossdressers or TVs would identify (partly or fully) as a woman from a mentality sense while dressed up. Seems like there is a distinction here.

I agree with you!

also it’s not a switch. Either somebody’s self perception (or soul) is woman or not.

I don’t get this “ Only when it suits me I’m a woman and when it doesn’t then I’m not anymore”

Being a woman isn’t a costume that somebody puts on and take off when it suits them.

And without sounding controversial, clothes have nothing to do with gender identity

Exactly

I am a Transvestite I am happy to be a man the majority of the time. I would never call myself a trans woman. That’s Kylie and all others who live predominantly as women.

Let’s not confuse the two.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by 'why you do this"?

He's probably referring to the men that dress up purely for the sexual thrill, Those people are not men, they are trans women.

I think the person replying to the OP, referring to the thrill is trying to highlight the difference between those who are male crossdressers/TVs to those who are transgendered woman. All crossdressers and TVs who wear women's clothes are trans women for whilever they choose to identify as a woman.

Not all crossdressers or TVs would identify (partly or fully) as a woman from a mentality sense while dressed up. Seems like there is a distinction here.

I agree with you!

also it’s not a switch. Either somebody’s self perception (or soul) is woman or not.

I don’t get this “ Only when it suits me I’m a woman and when it doesn’t then I’m not anymore”

Being a woman isn’t a costume that somebody puts on and take off when it suits them.

And without sounding controversial, clothes have nothing to do with gender identity

Exactly

I am a Transvestite I am happy to be a man the majority of the time. I would never call myself a trans woman. That’s Kylie and all others who live predominantly as women.

Let’s not confuse the two. "

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By *lixir of lifeMan
over a year ago

knob Creek

Wow

This thread sums up a lot of society today.

Some people don’t understand some parts of society, especially us older groups..

But we shouldn’t be too scared to ask questions to help us understand..

This seemed a genuine question unfortunately people some people were more interested in the wording than giving a genuine answer..

I was looking forward to some genuine answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow

This thread sums up a lot of society today.

Some people don’t understand some parts of society, especially us older groups..

But we shouldn’t be too scared to ask questions to help us understand..

This seemed a genuine question unfortunately people some people were more interested in the wording than giving a genuine answer..

I was looking forward to some genuine answers."

Exactly. It seems you're ignorant if you don't ask. And ignorant if you do. How is the OP supposed to know if some of his wording is not as the trans Community would like it? He's asked to be educated and instead been pilloried. Smh

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By *ayswa78928 OP Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

I think from some of the responses it appears to be an ambiguous area.

I think for a therapist to help someone in this field takes is a job for a specialist and I would not even attempt it without a great deal of further training.

I was trying to educate myself and if I do not ask questions I am not able to learn.

Thanks for the replies.

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