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"I feel like being a mixed race brown man here, it's near impossible to ever get a woman to like you or meet up with you. No matter how you maintain standards, naturally stay clean being a germophobe, double jabbed and verified. Willing to host or travel or for a casual meet up. Mentally even when you're smart and intelligent than the average, having solid educational background, good sense of humour. Decent job and still pursuing further education in uni. From the accent you wouldn't be even be able to tell where the person is from. Physically in a good condition. Even as a person being sensible, emphatic, having real manners and knowing how to talk to people with respect and decency. I feel like being the way I am, is what lots of people look for, but when you have all these and your skin tone is different or such or being not from here, everything is really pointless and at the end the only thing that gets affected, is that person's mentality and confidence. Probably accepting the reality would be more practical and to accept that people are racist and they wouldn't like me in any way regardless of how I am as a person. Even when I'm nice to them or being there for someone, it'll always be overlooked." Popcorn check, soda check. | |||
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"I feel like being a mixed race brown man here, it's near impossible to ever get a woman to like you or meet up with you. No matter how you maintain standards, naturally stay clean being a germophobe, double jabbed and verified. Willing to host or travel or for a casual meet up. Mentally even when you're smart and intelligent than the average, having solid educational background, good sense of humour. Decent job and still pursuing further education in uni. From the accent you wouldn't be even be able to tell where the person is from. Physically in a good condition. Even as a person being sensible, emphatic, having real manners and knowing how to talk to people with respect and decency. I feel like being the way I am, is what lots of people look for, but when you have all these and your skin tone is different or such or being not from here, everything is really pointless and at the end the only thing that gets affected, is that person's mentality and confidence. Probably accepting the reality would be more practical and to accept that people are racist and they wouldn't like me in any way regardless of how I am as a person. Even when I'm nice to them or being there for someone, it'll always be overlooked." So what you saying? | |||
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"I got literally told multiple times that, I wasn't an option because I'm brown. And in real life I find it alright but people do give me this expression of being an outcast. Or any chance they get to trying to make you look down in a way or the other. " So you meet amazing people in real life who don’t make you question your self esteem but are worried about not getting meets on fab? Dude real life wins every time. Yeah it’d be nice to get meets on here but its not your only option. Please don’t let what goes on on here make you feel less than. | |||
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"I disagree. I’m mixed and I have been on here as a male profile in the past. I had plenty of attention, I mean lots of it - sometimes i felt like maybe I actually had an advantage. Getting meets was not a problem, i was getting way more offers than I could ever possibly keep up with. Yes there are definitely some racist people but they are greatly outnumbered by normal regular people who don’t care either way. I hate to say it, but maybe people don’t want to meet you for other reasons unrelated to your ethnicity. It’s wrong to assume it’s about your race, unless people are outright saying that to you." | |||
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"I'm a tall fat white twat I get fuck all meets got fuck all to do with race" | |||
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"I feel like being a mixed race brown man here, it's near impossible to ever get a woman to like you or meet up with you. No matter how you maintain standards, naturally stay clean being a germophobe, double jabbed and verified. Willing to host or travel or for a casual meet up. Mentally even when you're smart and intelligent than the average, having solid educational background, good sense of humour. Decent job and still pursuing further education in uni. From the accent you wouldn't be even be able to tell where the person is from. Physically in a good condition. Even as a person being sensible, emphatic, having real manners and knowing how to talk to people with respect and decency. I feel like being the way I am, is what lots of people look for, but when you have all these and your skin tone is different or such or being not from here, everything is really pointless and at the end the only thing that gets affected, is that person's mentality and confidence. Probably accepting the reality would be more practical and to accept that people are racist and they wouldn't like me in any way regardless of how I am as a person. Even when I'm nice to them or being there for someone, it'll always be overlooked." Some profiles on Fab actually specify they're looking for mixed race Men! It's not to do with your skin colour, as it's hard for all single guys on here. Yes there're racist people in life and on Fab, there're also some lovely people too. Nobody is going to admit they're racist on here, so you just have to move on. Some will meet you, but you need to be aware you've got a hell of a lot of competition from other guys. | |||
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"I feel like being a mixed race brown man here, it's near impossible to ever get a woman to like you or meet up with you. No matter how you maintain standards, naturally stay clean being a germophobe, double jabbed and verified. Willing to host or travel or for a casual meet up. Mentally even when you're smart and intelligent than the average, having solid educational background, good sense of humour. Decent job and still pursuing further education in uni. From the accent you wouldn't be even be able to tell where the person is from. Physically in a good condition. Even as a person being sensible, emphatic, having real manners and knowing how to talk to people with respect and decency. I feel like being the way I am, is what lots of people look for, but when you have all these and your skin tone is different or such or being not from here, everything is really pointless and at the end the only thing that gets affected, is that person's mentality and confidence. Probably accepting the reality would be more practical and to accept that people are racist and they wouldn't like me in any way regardless of how I am as a person. Even when I'm nice to them or being there for someone, it'll always be overlooked." You're a man, it's difficult, I could have written exactly the same as you have and changed some bits to I'm white and older! | |||
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"I know not everyone is the same of course, but majority of society is that way here and we do know that very well. " I get the impression that’s it’s your negative outlook causing friction between you and others. | |||
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"I feel like being a mixed race brown man here, it's near impossible to ever get a woman to like you or meet up with you. No matter how you maintain standards, naturally stay clean being a germophobe, double jabbed and verified. Willing to host or travel or for a casual meet up. Mentally even when you're smart and intelligent than the average, having solid educational background, good sense of humour. Decent job and still pursuing further education in uni. From the accent you wouldn't be even be able to tell where the person is from. Physically in a good condition. Even as a person being sensible, emphatic, having real manners and knowing how to talk to people with respect and decency. I feel like being the way I am, is what lots of people look for, but when you have all these and your skin tone is different or such or being not from here, everything is really pointless and at the end the only thing that gets affected, is that person's mentality and confidence. Probably accepting the reality would be more practical and to accept that people are racist and they wouldn't like me in any way regardless of how I am as a person. Even when I'm nice to them or being there for someone, it'll always be overlooked. You're a man, it's difficult, I could have written exactly the same as you have and changed some bits to I'm white and older!" I'm not having a dig, it's just that it is what it is, some guys have a lot of success on here, I don't but that's how it it, maybe it's my profile I don't know | |||
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"Also, those who are saying it's got nothing to do with race like at all or putting that kind of a frame. In my work life and personal I came across shit loads of people. Even when you're cooperative, helpful, self driven towards achieving the same goal, they hate you for doing better than them. " Jealous people will hate. Hold your head high and do better than them. | |||
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"Also, those who are saying it's got nothing to do with race like at all or putting that kind of a frame. In my work life and personal I came across shit loads of people. Even when you're cooperative, helpful, self driven towards achieving the same goal, they hate you for doing better than them. Jealous people will hate. Hold your head high and do better than them. " | |||
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"Also, those who are saying it's got nothing to do with race like at all or putting that kind of a frame." We wouldn’t meet with you, because we are not looking for single men, just couples and single women. If we were looking for a single guy, having read your profile and looked at your photos, we wouldn’t meet you. You’ve not asked for profile advice so won’t provide any, but none of the reasons why we wouldn’t meet you relate to your skin colour. If you wish to blame your lack of traction here on something you can’t change, rather the focusing on the things you can change, don’t let us or others stop you! | |||
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"Some people will not meet you because of your race, colour and you can’t do anything about it. That’s life and people have preference and if someone hate you because of your skin tone then tbh who wants to meet a racist. Get over it and focus on those who wants to meet you. It’s hard for single guys on fab regardless of your race or colour. Try attending clubs and parties you will meet some genuine nice people who will be interested in you. I’m south Asian myself. Average looking, not British born and bred, with accent and have met and made some amazing friends on the scene and that’s before we had a couples profile. " I really dislike that “preference” argument. There’s a huge difference between preferring something, and actively disliking a whole group of people. | |||
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"I feel like being a mixed race brown man here, it's near impossible to ever get a woman to like you or meet up with you. No matter how you maintain standards, naturally stay clean being a germophobe, double jabbed and verified. Willing to host or travel or for a casual meet up. Mentally even when you're smart and intelligent than the average, having solid educational background, good sense of humour. Decent job and still pursuing further education in uni. From the accent you wouldn't be even be able to tell where the person is from. Physically in a good condition. Even as a person being sensible, emphatic, having real manners and knowing how to talk to people with respect and decency. I feel like being the way I am, is what lots of people look for, but when you have all these and your skin tone is different or such or being not from here, everything is really pointless and at the end the only thing that gets affected, is that person's mentality and confidence. Probably accepting the reality would be more practical and to accept that people are racist and they wouldn't like me in any way regardless of how I am as a person. Even when I'm nice to them or being there for someone, it'll always be overlooked." | |||
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"Some people will not meet you because of your race, colour and you can’t do anything about it. That’s life and people have preference and if someone hate you because of your skin tone then tbh who wants to meet a racist. Get over it and focus on those who wants to meet you. It’s hard for single guys on fab regardless of your race or colour. Try attending clubs and parties you will meet some genuine nice people who will be interested in you. I’m south Asian myself. Average looking, not British born and bred, with accent and have met and made some amazing friends on the scene and that’s before we had a couples profile. I really dislike that “preference” argument. There’s a huge difference between preferring something, and actively disliking a whole group of people." Not much really. There are people who say they are not into dad bods. Does that mean they actively dislike that group? | |||
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"There's nothing for me to gain by blaming someone. It's what I've been facing that I stated, and for those people who are not in my situation. Would you understand better than me of what I am facing? Or me actually witnessing the things that happen in real life, I would understand better? And every time, I say majority or a portion, I never said everyone on blank point. I am being reasonable and understanding from my side. But how can some of you expect to even understand what we go through? You don't face things we go through. And after we mention this kind of things, all you're gonna do is either make a mockery in some form or say that yea the problem is in our mind. Wake up honestly, stop thinking that you know everything not facing the same thing." I face the same thing, and I can tell you 100% it’s your outlook making you think these things are happening more frequently than they are | |||
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" I face the same thing, and I can tell you 100% it’s your outlook making you think these things are happening more frequently than they are" | |||
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"on here you have to be white, have a BBC or own a lambo " not the case mrs m | |||
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"There's nothing for me to gain by blaming someone. It's what I've been facing that I stated, and for those people who are not in my situation. Would you understand better than me of what I am facing? Or me actually witnessing the things that happen in real life, I would understand better? And every time, I say majority or a portion, I never said everyone on blank point. I am being reasonable and understanding from my side. But how can some of you expect to even understand what we go through? You don't face things we go through. And after we mention this kind of things, all you're gonna do is either make a mockery in some form or say that yea the problem is in our mind. Wake up honestly, stop thinking that you know everything not facing the same thing." I am a brown male living here for three years. It took me more than a year to get a meet here. When it comes to rejections, I have faced a lot. Asian men in general are the leasr attractive category in dating apps which should be the same in swinging too. But not once have I been belittled by anyone like you said in your previous post. Can you tell exactly how someone belittled you? Are you sure you are not confusing rejection with belittling? | |||
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"Some people will not meet you because of your race, colour and you can’t do anything about it. That’s life and people have preference and if someone hate you because of your skin tone then tbh who wants to meet a racist. Get over it and focus on those who wants to meet you. It’s hard for single guys on fab regardless of your race or colour. Try attending clubs and parties you will meet some genuine nice people who will be interested in you. I’m south Asian myself. Average looking, not British born and bred, with accent and have met and made some amazing friends on the scene and that’s before we had a couples profile. I really dislike that “preference” argument. There’s a huge difference between preferring something, and actively disliking a whole group of people. Not much really. There are people who say they are not into dad bods. Does that mean they actively dislike that group?" Not at all the same because a “dad bod” isn’t a characteristic you’re born into with no ability to change. A body type is an indication of health. | |||
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"There's nothing for me to gain by blaming someone. It's what I've been facing that I stated, and for those people who are not in my situation. Would you understand better than me of what I am facing? Or me actually witnessing the things that happen in real life, I would understand better? And every time, I say majority or a portion, I never said everyone on blank point. I am being reasonable and understanding from my side. But how can some of you expect to even understand what we go through? You don't face things we go through. And after we mention this kind of things, all you're gonna do is either make a mockery in some form or say that yea the problem is in our mind. Wake up honestly, stop thinking that you know everything not facing the same thing." I'm not disputing what you go through in everyday life & what you've been though throughout your 25 years, you're right I've not experienced that so I'll never understand if But in your FAB life I genuinely find believe the issue is race related, as I said above there's nothing in your profile to indicate what race you are But there's plenty on your profile to indicate why your going unnoticed & the 3 big things are you're a single male, you're age & you're length of time in the site Guys regularly go a whole year before their a meet dye to the number of single guys to women/couples on the site you've got less than 1 in a 100 chance of getting a meet & your 25, while there's a call for youngerguys, the average age on this site is mid 40s & lots won't meet people younger if they've got kids older themselves & I suspect a lot of the users in this site have kids your age msking you a no go Have you considered social events there's lots advertised, clubs are also a great way for respectful single guys to meet people, lots of guys find it easier once they've been to a few social events | |||
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"Some people will not meet you because of your race, colour and you can’t do anything about it. That’s life and people have preference and if someone hate you because of your skin tone then tbh who wants to meet a racist. Get over it and focus on those who wants to meet you. It’s hard for single guys on fab regardless of your race or colour. Try attending clubs and parties you will meet some genuine nice people who will be interested in you. I’m south Asian myself. Average looking, not British born and bred, with accent and have met and made some amazing friends on the scene and that’s before we had a couples profile. I really dislike that “preference” argument. There’s a huge difference between preferring something, and actively disliking a whole group of people. Not much really. There are people who say they are not into dad bods. Does that mean they actively dislike that group? Not at all the same because a “dad bod” isn’t a characteristic you’re born into with no ability to change. A body type is an indication of health." When it comes to sex, body type and skin colours are both a matter of visual attraction. Sexual preferences are not chosen rationally. No one thinks if something is a birth characteristic or not before making a sexual preference. Even if we think that way, some women say they are not into short guys. Height is genetic too. Do they hate the group entirely? | |||
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"on here you have to be white, have a BBC or own a lambo " Not at all, so far from the truth. | |||
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"There's nothing for me to gain by blaming someone. It's what I've been facing that I stated, and for those people who are not in my situation. Would you understand better than me of what I am facing? Or me actually witnessing the things that happen in real life, I would understand better? And every time, I say majority or a portion, I never said everyone on blank point. I am being reasonable and understanding from my side. But how can some of you expect to even understand what we go through? You don't face things we go through. And after we mention this kind of things, all you're gonna do is either make a mockery in some form or say that yea the problem is in our mind. Wake up honestly, stop thinking that you know everything not facing the same thing. I'm not disputing what you go through in everyday life & what you've been though throughout your 25 years, you're right I've not experienced that so I'll never understand if But in your FAB life I genuinely find believe the issue is race related, as I said above there's nothing in your profile to indicate what race you are But there's plenty on your profile to indicate why your going unnoticed & the 3 big things are you're a single male, you're age & you're length of time in the site Guys regularly go a whole year before their a meet dye to the number of single guys to women/couples on the site you've got less than 1 in a 100 chance of getting a meet & your 25, while there's a call for youngerguys, the average age on this site is mid 40s & lots won't meet people younger if they've got kids older themselves & I suspect a lot of the users in this site have kids your age msking you a no go Have you considered social events there's lots advertised, clubs are also a great way for respectful single guys to meet people, lots of guys find it easier once they've been to a few social events " | |||
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"I feel like being a mixed race brown man here, it's near impossible to ever get a woman to like you or meet up with you. No matter how you maintain standards, naturally stay clean being a germophobe, double jabbed and verified. Willing to host or travel or for a casual meet up. Mentally even when you're smart and intelligent than the average, having solid educational background, good sense of humour. Decent job and still pursuing further education in uni. From the accent you wouldn't be even be able to tell where the person is from. Physically in a good condition. Even as a person being sensible, emphatic, having real manners and knowing how to talk to people with respect and decency. I feel like being the way I am, is what lots of people look for, but when you have all these and your skin tone is different or such or being not from here, everything is really pointless and at the end the only thing that gets affected, is that person's mentality and confidence. Probably accepting the reality would be more practical and to accept that people are racist and they wouldn't like me in any way regardless of how I am as a person. Even when I'm nice to them or being there for someone, it'll always be overlooked." You've been here 4 months, that's no time at all in Fabland. Your profile gallery suggests all you have to offer is your cock. You don't appear to grasp Fabs business status. You seen to have ticked every like option. Your status suggests you're not looking for connections and rapport, just instant gratification. Theres enough there for us to pass you by. Winston | |||
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"Some people will not meet you because of your race, colour and you can’t do anything about it. That’s life and people have preference and if someone hate you because of your skin tone then tbh who wants to meet a racist. Get over it and focus on those who wants to meet you. It’s hard for single guys on fab regardless of your race or colour. Try attending clubs and parties you will meet some genuine nice people who will be interested in you. I’m south Asian myself. Average looking, not British born and bred, with accent and have met and made some amazing friends on the scene and that’s before we had a couples profile. I really dislike that “preference” argument. There’s a huge difference between preferring something, and actively disliking a whole group of people. Not much really. There are people who say they are not into dad bods. Does that mean they actively dislike that group? Not at all the same because a “dad bod” isn’t a characteristic you’re born into with no ability to change. A body type is an indication of health. When it comes to sex, body type and skin colours are both a matter of visual attraction. Sexual preferences are not chosen rationally. No one thinks if something is a birth characteristic or not before making a sexual preference. Even if we think that way, some women say they are not into short guys. Height is genetic too. Do they hate the group entirely?" When you speak to those people who are really opposed to certain ethnicities it’s often nothing to do with skin colour, and more to do with preconceived notions about the behaviour, class, health and cultures of those of certain ethnicities. If it was to do with colour then those same people wouldn’t be out getting self tanned and headed on holiday laying in the sun. Nor would they be attracted to anyone with a tan. | |||
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"on here you have to be white, have a BBC or own a lambo Not at all, so far from the truth. " Mate your not allowed to join this convo with a body like that lol | |||
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"on here you have to be white, have a BBC or own a lambo Not at all, so far from the truth. Mate your not allowed to join this convo with a body like that lol" Lol. That’s a good one | |||
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" When you speak to those people who are really opposed to certain ethnicities it’s often nothing to do with skin colour, and more to do with preconceived notions about the behaviour, class, health and cultures of those of certain ethnicities. If it was to do with colour then those same people wouldn’t be out getting self tanned and headed on holiday laying in the sun. Nor would they be attracted to anyone with a tan." First of all, a white person's skin tone with tan is way different than a brown person. There are white women who mention "No white men" on their profiles. Are they being racist too? | |||
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"For those who replied sensibly based on logics, and suggested the things I might have to work on or try, I appreciate that. Also about the age part, I'm understanding. I'll take the useful advices and try to visit clubs. But do try to understand me as well. It's an everyday thing to be exposed to racism in a way or the other. For those who asked what happened in specific, I did mention my previous comment that it was focused on my skin tone. And do you think it's easy for me to talk about these things here? Do you not understand how I might be feeling just to speak up about these. I'm fine with who I am, how I look. I also accepted how wicked this world is. You can't blame me if others actions keep on affecting my subconscious mind. Being patient and carefree, I don't bother thinking about negative things. Or things that are unnecessary for me to think about. Although real life situations do get you to think that why others bother with unnecessary things based on origins or looks. As it's already an assumption that you're some kind of a criminal or something." Again. It's hard for anyone to comment on this without knowing what exactly happened. In the first post, you were worried more about not getting meets. Now you are saying that you had some racist stuff being told to you. How did you reach the conclusion that someone is thinking you are a criminal? | |||
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"Also, those who are saying it's got nothing to do with race like at all or putting that kind of a frame. We wouldn’t meet with you, because we are not looking for single men, just couples and single women. If we were looking for a single guy, having read your profile and looked at your photos, we wouldn’t meet you. You’ve not asked for profile advice so won’t provide any, but none of the reasons why we wouldn’t meet you relate to your skin colour. If you wish to blame your lack of traction here on something you can’t change, rather the focusing on the things you can change, don’t let us or others stop you!" Exactly this, our sentiments but would add that your age would also put us off and there's plenty of couples with kids around your age range. Also to flip it slightly, and it has been mentioned already, you may appeal to some more than other single guy's as there's definitely plenty who actively search for Black guys, and we would demean ourselves by labelling the three initials. | |||
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"Just cuz I have short hair and have a beard, I was at work." There’s another red flag (for some)… beards! | |||
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"Just cuz I have short hair and have a beard, I was at work. Delivering a parcel for a client and she goes asking whether there's any bomb in it. Do you think that's funny? Also on the train, this guy wouldn't ask anyone else for their tickets even if they got the same station from where I got on. But he comes to me asking for ticket, railcard, then he even asks me why I'm on that train and how do I plan to go in my destination? And these are not even the tip of the iceberg really. These are fucking nothing lol You see, these are forms of interrogation cuz these people have issues trusting you just because of who you are. And now don't tell me some dumb shit like I didn't understand or something. I can understand people's expression fairly easily. I can read people easily from my experience of having met so many people from different countries, visiting other countries and interacting with so many people. Whether it's both good or bad, I can tell within a short time of observation." There is a big difference between recognising and projecting. I'm Irish so the bomb comment used to be the go to comment for many people but I don't look for that attitude in everyone I meet. I prefer to look for the positive. | |||
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"Just cuz I have short hair and have a beard, I was at work. Delivering a parcel for a client and she goes asking whether there's any bomb in it. Do you think that's funny? Also on the train, this guy wouldn't ask anyone else for their tickets even if they got the same station from where I got on. But he comes to me asking for ticket, railcard, then he even asks me why I'm on that train and how do I plan to go in my destination? And these are not even the tip of the iceberg really. These are fucking nothing lol You see, these are forms of interrogation cuz these people have issues trusting you just because of who you are. And now don't tell me some dumb shit like I didn't understand or something. I can understand people's expression fairly easily. I can read people easily from my experience of having met so many people from different countries, visiting other countries and interacting with so many people. Whether it's both good or bad, I can tell within a short time of observation." The first two incidents are clearly matter of racism, which is unfortunate. But your post was about not getting meets in fab. I will promise you that's not what's stopping you from getting meets on fab. Others have pointed out your age and your profile itself being an issue. From your posts, I would like to point another thing. Repeatedly saying "I am clever. I am intelligent. I can easily understand what you are thinking" is not something that would go down well with people. Just something for you to work on. | |||
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"Just cuz I have short hair and have a beard, I was at work. Delivering a parcel for a client and she goes asking whether there's any bomb in it. Do you think that's funny? Also on the train, this guy wouldn't ask anyone else for their tickets even if they got the same station from where I got on. But he comes to me asking for ticket, railcard, then he even asks me why I'm on that train and how do I plan to go in my destination? And these are not even the tip of the iceberg really. These are fucking nothing lol You see, these are forms of interrogation cuz these people have issues trusting you just because of who you are. And now don't tell me some dumb shit like I didn't understand or something. I can understand people's expression fairly easily. I can read people easily from my experience of having met so many people from different countries, visiting other countries and interacting with so many people. Whether it's both good or bad, I can tell within a short time of observation." One of the first comments I look for on a thread such as this is denial and there seems to be a lot. I remember being bias against gay men, it was only until I could relate their experience to my own, that I then checked myself realising I was no better than a racist. I have found myself blocked when I haven't contacted the person who has blocked me, I wondered why, but hey they have freedom of choice so I do not ponder. As for clubs, there are many threads on here that berate single men in clubs this put me off personally, but if your consider yourself a BBC I hear clubs are the place to go, bring cash though. I have looked for social meets and joined the threads there I have learned its a good indictor for who else will be attending and it will not break the bank. Also I am ready to film any interaction with official people, as long as it is in public, it soon changes attitude when proof is on hand. There are so many single men on here we all have our stories no matter what colour, just sit back and enjoy. | |||
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"I don't need to explain to why I said that. Though I know I am, I'm not wrong for having the confidence based on the resources I have. Some of you privileged lot can't even manage to pass your GCSE, or don't know even the basics of how to treat someone appropriately, you need a reason behind treating someone the way you do it. Lots of people even send their parents to care home as they grow older, like not even having the minimum sense of gratitude for the people who gave birth to you and raised you, to take care of them yourself but abandoning them." I guess that answers why you are not getting meets. It's not because other people are racist, it's because you are a narcissist. | |||
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"I don't need to explain to why I said that. Though I know I am, I'm not wrong for having the confidence based on the resources I have. Some of you privileged lot can't even manage to pass your GCSE, or don't know even the basics of how to treat someone appropriately, you need a reason behind treating someone the way you do it. Lots of people even send their parents to care home as they grow older, like not even having the minimum sense of gratitude for the people who gave birth to you and raised you, to take care of them yourself but abandoning them." What has all this got to do with swinging? | |||
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"I don't need to explain to why I said that. Though I know I am, I'm not wrong for having the confidence based on the resources I have. Some of you privileged lot can't even manage to pass your GCSE, or don't know even the basics of how to treat someone appropriately, you need a reason behind treating someone the way you do it. Lots of people even send their parents to care home as they grow older, like not even having the minimum sense of gratitude for the people who gave birth to you and raised you, to take care of them yourself but abandoning them." Apart from my earlier observations, I can now see why you're not getting meets. Winston | |||
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"I don't need to explain to why I said that. Though I know I am, I'm not wrong for having the confidence based on the resources I have. Some of you privileged lot can't even manage to pass your GCSE, or don't know even the basics of how to treat someone appropriately, you need a reason behind treating someone the way you do it. Lots of people even send their parents to care home as they grow older, like not even having the minimum sense of gratitude for the people who gave birth to you and raised you, to take care of them yourself but abandoning them." Wow. | |||
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"I don't need to explain to why I said that. Though I know I am, I'm not wrong for having the confidence based on the resources I have. Some of you privileged lot can't even manage to pass your GCSE, or don't know even the basics of how to treat someone appropriately, you need a reason behind treating someone the way you do it. Lots of people even send their parents to care home as they grow older, like not even having the minimum sense of gratitude for the people who gave birth to you and raised you, to take care of them yourself but abandoning them." Your original post was about getting meets on fab and many people directed you in right direction going to clubs and uploading pics etc. This is ridiculous. Can’t believe what I’m reading. Whole world is against you and you are better than others. Attitude like this and you will never get a meet. I’m not saying there isn’t racism on fab or in real life but Don’t bring racism if the problem is with you or with your outlook on the world. | |||
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"I don't need to explain to why I said that. Though I know I am, I'm not wrong for having the confidence based on the resources I have. Some of you privileged lot can't even manage to pass your GCSE, or don't know even the basics of how to treat someone appropriately, you need a reason behind treating someone the way you do it. Lots of people even send their parents to care home as they grow older, like not even having the minimum sense of gratitude for the people who gave birth to you and raised you, to take care of them yourself but abandoning them. Your original post was about getting meets on fab and many people directed you in right direction going to clubs and uploading pics etc. This is ridiculous. Can’t believe what I’m reading. Whole world is against you and you are better than others. Attitude like this and you will never get a meet. I’m not saying there isn’t racism on fab or in real life but Don’t bring racism if the problem is with you or with your outlook on the world. " Insulting the very people who are trying to help you isn't a good look is it. Winston | |||
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"I don't need to explain to why I said that. Though I know I am, I'm not wrong for having the confidence based on the resources I have. Some of you privileged lot can't even manage to pass your GCSE, or don't know even the basics of how to treat someone appropriately, you need a reason behind treating someone the way you do it. Lots of people even send their parents to care home as they grow older, like not even having the minimum sense of gratitude for the people who gave birth to you and raised you, to take care of them yourself but abandoning them. Your original post was about getting meets on fab and many people directed you in right direction going to clubs and uploading pics etc. This is ridiculous. Can’t believe what I’m reading. Whole world is against you and you are better than others. Attitude like this and you will never get a meet. I’m not saying there isn’t racism on fab or in real life but Don’t bring racism if the problem is with you or with your outlook on the world. Insulting the very people who are trying to help you isn't a good look is it. Winston" I have read your many insults to others as well. | |||
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"That one had nothing with swinging, but some of you kept on saying that I oversaid about it, so I just clarified. And intelligence is not everything if you don't apply it right. Everyone has their own things they are good at, whether it be sports, or anything. I simply mentioned the things I'm good with. And stated some of the obvious things that are ongoing here. I didn't even disagree when you guys said what was going on, but don't keep on going about nonsense saying that it's only me that have problems with this and that. " Sorry to repeat the truth. The problem is with you. Calm down on the self aggrandisement. It puts off people way more than you think. Passing GCSE is not the yardstick you measure people with. And older people being sent to care home is just another aspect of cultural difference. | |||
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"Anyway, if I said some things to offend someone, I didn't mean that. I hope you understand. Although, some of you could've been more reasonable like most others here, instead of focusing into one thing and pinning unnecessary stuff on me for what I said. I'm not fucking perfect by any means. Neither is anyone else. I'll take time time off. And most importantly, thanks for the ones who were actually helpful in opening my eyes towards certain things and had the patience and took time to explain me things I didn't think about, I really appreciate that. When I saw your question I put popcorn and soda for my reply, I knew it was looking tough and has proved to be. Even though these threads are almost a daily thing, the outcome is the same, the op is belittled, just looking for sex etc, When the op kicks back, it is all now I know why, I am shocked. Always the same, I wonder how many others think what you think after a short time here, I have learned so much from these forums which changed my wants and behaviour on here. what im trying to say is that your not alone, others have asked your question and the outcome is the same." Tbf many posters tried to be helpful at the beginning. He is the one who went on a self serving rant about how he is amazing, clever and intelligent while the rest are not as though that's the only parameter that defines how good a person is. | |||
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"Anyway, if I said some things to offend someone, I didn't mean that. I hope you understand. Although, some of you could've been more reasonable like most others here, instead of focusing into one thing and pinning unnecessary stuff on me for what I said. I'm not fucking perfect by any means. Neither is anyone else. I'll take time time off. And most importantly, thanks for the ones who were actually helpful in opening my eyes towards certain things and had the patience and took time to explain me things I didn't think about, I really appreciate that. When I saw your question I put popcorn and soda for my reply, I knew it was looking tough and has proved to be. Even though these threads are almost a daily thing, the outcome is the same, the op is belittled, just looking for sex etc, When the op kicks back, it is all now I know why, I am shocked. Always the same, I wonder how many others think what you think after a short time here, I have learned so much from these forums which changed my wants and behaviour on here. what im trying to say is that your not alone, others have asked your question and the outcome is the same." Thing is OP was definitely wrong saying everyone is racist and that’s why he can’t meet. With the irony being that he’s mixed himself so he should know better than most that race isn’t a boundary to sex, love whatever else. | |||
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"Anyway, if I said some things to offend someone, I didn't mean that. I hope you understand. Although, some of you could've been more reasonable like most others here, instead of focusing into one thing and pinning unnecessary stuff on me for what I said. I'm not fucking perfect by any means. Neither is anyone else. I'll take time time off. And most importantly, thanks for the ones who were actually helpful in opening my eyes towards certain things and had the patience and took time to explain me things I didn't think about, I really appreciate that. When I saw your question I put popcorn and soda for my reply, I knew it was looking tough and has proved to be. Even though these threads are almost a daily thing, the outcome is the same, the op is belittled, just looking for sex etc, When the op kicks back, it is all now I know why, I am shocked. Always the same, I wonder how many others think what you think after a short time here, I have learned so much from these forums which changed my wants and behaviour on here. what im trying to say is that your not alone, others have asked your question and the outcome is the same. Thing is OP was definitely wrong saying everyone is racist and that’s why he can’t meet. With the irony being that he’s mixed himself so he should know better than most that race isn’t a boundary to sex, love whatever else." Is that what he said 'everyone is racist?" ive looked but can't find it, could you point where in the thread this comment is, other than here that is. Where is the irony? People with different cultures or come from different parts of the world can interact you do not need to be me to feel how I feel, I can use a tact called relate I can use my feelings to relate to others it is called empathy and there is little of it here. | |||
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"And there’s me thinking this site had just become a place for white girls to meet black men, every other profile is BBC only BBC only, you colour has absolutely nothing to do with it, the clubs have BMFC nights,, they don’t have WMFC nights ???? There are simply 1000s to 1 men on here, it’s swopped with blokes and women have so much choice. This site is pretty much done for genuine swinging " The first part I agree with the so second Not at all swinging for us is the swapping aspect you have no swap therefore not actually a swinger your just someone using the site for hookups imho singles by definition are not swingers, although they can be fun to add to a horny night | |||
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"And there’s me thinking this site had just become a place for white girls to meet black men, every other profile is BBC only BBC only, you colour has absolutely nothing to do with it, the clubs have BMFC nights,, they don’t have WMFC nights ???? There are simply 1000s to 1 men on here, it’s swopped with blokes and women have so much choice. This site is pretty much done for genuine swinging " Not to derail the OP’s thread but making a wild assumption here, Caucasian folks make up the largest racial portion of swingers. You see this reflected in socials events and at swingers clubs so why would a WMFC be needed? Plus thanks to porn and the idea that black men possess massive penises and all the rest of the stereotypical tripe mentioned on BBC threads - its a fantasy people chase. You’re correct there is a high volume of men on fab. When people start focusing on race as a reason meets do or dont happen then there the problems start to arise. | |||
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