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Have Altitudes Towards Bi,Trans, TV's,TS's and Pan People Aucaully Changed?

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By *lub play OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool, At The Crack Of Dawn!!

Being an openly Bi couple that are both fully Bi on Fab we think we have seen a massive shift in the last 5 years towards it being more expected and more dare we say treated as normal people??? & not dirty disease ridden Bi tarts that seemed the mine stream view unfortunately around 5 years ago especially towards Bi men!

So the question is has your views & attitude changed??? or have you actually found that you are unexpectedly Bi even???

Probably opened a can of worms here I suspect so I will duck for cover now xxx

& Yes we are both Bi Tarts & proud of it before anyone asks lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think many attitudes change their opinions, most of the time the ignorant will always be ignorant. It doesn't matter who you are, we all deserve to live in a world where we are accepted for it. Embrace it always and let the judgemental people lay in their own misery.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

I think as more and more people become secure in their sexuality then accepting others sexuality becomes easier. Having the ability to explore in these realms is slightly easier as more people are educated. There will always be people who judge but maybe less people who need to impose their judgement on others.

I explore my sexuality on a regular basis and am extremely content being straight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have ‘high’ expectations that they are still all good people.

*you’re welcome (the thread title)

I’ve had bi-thoughts, for someone like me who would love to explore ‘most’ things sexy, being open to that has to be there. It subsided now. But for anyone to think it’s nothing but a natural human thing is simply wrong in my eyes.

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By *achel SmythTV/TS
over a year ago

Farnborough

In recent years, I think attitudes to the spectrum of gender / sexuality have all changed, and moved forward …. but at different paces.

IMHO, and in my experience, it is almost completely socially acceptable to come out as being gay, and such revelations these days hardly raise the raise of an eyebrow … I remember the days when the Redtop papers mercilessly hounded and outed those who felt they had to hide it. Thankfully they would be pilloried now if they did so know.

I do however think the ‘T’ of the community, whilst definitely more accepted than we were, are still in many cases not as accepted, and still seen in some quarters as ‘pervs’. In recent years, I have ventured out more - in the day as well as at night, having only rarely had comment, or giggles etc - usually, surprisingly from the younger generation, but I guess kids will be kids. However, a few years ago, I would never have dared go out. The law also helps protect us know, but I recognise the sometimes disapproving looks of stand in some shops … but others are fantastic, and trust us just as any other lady!! Many women will say, oh yes I don’t mind it … but they do if it’s their partner etc. Even in here … many clubs will accept ‘us’ … but still charge us the mans rate for entry. I also know the LG part of the community, can often be very hostile to us, and again have been refused entry to a an LG club before now.

So in a nutshell .. the LGBQ etc bit has moved on very significantly… less so Trans / TS folk.

R xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In recent years, I think attitudes to the spectrum of gender / sexuality have all changed, and moved forward …. but at different paces.

IMHO, and in my experience, it is almost completely socially acceptable to come out as being gay, and such revelations these days hardly raise the raise of an eyebrow … I remember the days when the Redtop papers mercilessly hounded and outed those who felt they had to hide it. Thankfully they would be pilloried now if they did so know.

I do however think the ‘T’ of the community, whilst definitely more accepted than we were, are still in many cases not as accepted, and still seen in some quarters as ‘pervs’. In recent years, I have ventured out more - in the day as well as at night, having only rarely had comment, or giggles etc - usually, surprisingly from the younger generation, but I guess kids will be kids. However, a few years ago, I would never have dared go out. The law also helps protect us know, but I recognise the sometimes disapproving looks of stand in some shops … but others are fantastic, and trust us just as any other lady!! Many women will say, oh yes I don’t mind it … but they do if it’s their partner etc. Even in here … many clubs will accept ‘us’ … but still charge us the mans rate for entry. I also know the LG part of the community, can often be very hostile to us, and again have been refused entry to a an LG club before now.

So in a nutshell .. the LGBQ etc bit has moved on very significantly… less so Trans / TS folk.

R xx"

Agree with this. Trans people not only have to face stigma from the general straight cis population but from many in the LGBQ community too - as shown by the group of lesbians heading the London Pride march a few years back with anti trans banners.

Mr

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By *ewbie AnalystMan
over a year ago

Little Sandhurst

Judging by the way my daughter and her friends talk about LGBTQ+ inclusivity and acceptance, I'd like to think that attitudes are changing. However, I think it's more likely a slow burn than a sudden change. There will always be bigots, unfortunately often (not always but often) driven by religious beliefs, and it's very difficult to change someone's opinion once it has been established over many years of validation by societal norms, but we can hope that generationally, change will happen. We have to hope, what else is there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it depends on where people live. London, Blackpool, Manchester are very different to little country towns.

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By *lub play OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool, At The Crack Of Dawn!!


"In recent years, I think attitudes to the spectrum of gender / sexuality have all changed, and moved forward …. but at different paces.

IMHO, and in my experience, it is almost completely socially acceptable to come out as being gay, and such revelations these days hardly raise the raise of an eyebrow … I remember the days when the Redtop papers mercilessly hounded and outed those who felt they had to hide it. Thankfully they would be pilloried now if they did so know.

I do however think the ‘T’ of the community, whilst definitely more accepted than we were, are still in many cases not as accepted, and still seen in some quarters as ‘pervs’. In recent years, I have ventured out more - in the day as well as at night, having only rarely had comment, or giggles etc - usually, surprisingly from the younger generation, but I guess kids will be kids. However, a few years ago, I would never have dared go out. The law also helps protect us know, but I recognise the sometimes disapproving looks of stand in some shops … but others are fantastic, and trust us just as any other lady!! Many women will say, oh yes I don’t mind it … but they do if it’s their partner etc. Even in here … many clubs will accept ‘us’ … but still charge us the mans rate for entry. I also know the LG part of the community, can often be very hostile to us, and again have been refused entry to a an LG club before now.

So in a nutshell .. the LGBQ etc bit has moved on very significantly… less so Trans / TS folk.

R xx

Agree with this. Trans people not only have to face stigma from the general straight cis population but from many in the LGBQ community too - as shown by the group of lesbians heading the London Pride march a few years back with anti trans banners.

Mr"

I am afraid this is not just a Trans problem and found a fair few gay people (not all) have an Anti Bi & Trans attitude which is bizarre

Seems their thinking is as a Bi person I am confused and need to pick a side! NO I LIKE BOTH!

Sounds like what straight people used to say to gay people but now inverted back onto Bi and Trans people

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By *it-chrissyTV/TS
over a year ago

sw. london

seems to me that every step forwards thses days brings on a reactionary push-back.

In the heat and noise of social media it's becoming fashionable even to push back against anything with a 'liberal' slant.

So much progress and yet...

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

I think it's gotten better but there's still a long way to go and there's still a lot of "tHeRe'S oNlY tWo gEnDeRs" morons around.

Personally I've always been comfortable around people of any sexuality but I grew up around LGB people. I didn't encounter transgender people until I was about 20 though and I definitely had a lot of areas around it I didn't understand which I guess is natural when you've never encountered something but now I know many trans people and I've learnt a great deal. Knowledge is definitely power.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Yes. what I question are the challenges coming too rapidly not allowing people to keep up the inclusive movement need to be inclusive and not put their right before others..

JK Rowling is a perfect example people are sending her death threats only damages forward movement allow her to have her views you do not need to buy her book but must let her live life and move on..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there’s still a lot of work to be done to be honest. Obviously there are laws involved at the moment who do give protection to the whole of LGBTQ+ umbrella

Having said that I do feel like bad propaganda is really not helping.

The amount of HATE comments you see on the net, whether it’s on YouTube or some news outlet websites (like everyone got so offended when the trans flag was painted on a zebra crossing in Camden) is kinda scary!!

Definitely people aren’t clued up about trans issues yet, and I do agree that sometimes the new radical trans community can be a lot. And it gives people who don’t understand the perfect excuse to say “SEE? The way they behave no wonder none likes T”

And these comments come from the LG community sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not one bit because I never had a problem with any of them, everyone to their own and its non of my business what people are into.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. what I question are the challenges coming too rapidly not allowing people to keep up the inclusive movement need to be inclusive and not put their right before others..

JK Rowling is a perfect example people are sending her death threats only damages forward movement allow her to have her views you do not need to buy her book but must let her live life and move on.."

I don’t condone what people are doing to her, sending her death threats etc Because it doesn’t help the cause

I’m sorry but someone so influential like JK Rowling should really know better.

100% you can have your view, but she’s no saint.

As she’s become one of the pinnacle representative of the TERF movement.

Yes, we all know that biological sex exists, yes we do know that trans women aren’t biological women (who claims that??! Literally trans means to go across) but Jesus wept.

She needs to accept the consequences of people who disassociates with her (like all of the HP actors etc)

As boiling it down she claims: trans women are men. trans men are women. Don’t use our toilets, you dont know what it means to be a woman. You are just acting. Live your life but don’t really live your life because its taking my right away as a woman. And yada yada

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By *urvyBi-84Man
over a year ago

Lancs


"Being an openly Bi couple that are both fully Bi on Fab we think we have seen a massive shift in the last 5 years towards it being more expected and more dare we say treated as normal people??? & not dirty disease ridden Bi tarts that seemed the mine stream view unfortunately around 5 years ago especially towards Bi men!

So the question is has your views & attitude changed??? or have you actually found that you are unexpectedly Bi even???

Probably opened a can of worms here I suspect so I will duck for cover now xxx

& Yes we are both Bi Tarts & proud of it before anyone asks lol xxx"

I only became openly bi a few years ago but I have seen some really positive attitudes and some really negative attitudes towards it. Ironically (and sadly) most of the negative attitudes I have experienced have come from people in the LGBT community. Things like “so you’ve been with a man? It’s better with the same sex isn’t it.” Or “Are you sure you’re not just confused?” Or my personal favourite “You’re not properly bi because you’re in a straight relationship.” I tend to ignore it but it does get to me sometimes and as a result I don’t feel I have a place in that community at all.

On Fab and in the swinging community though it is completely different. Everyone that I’ve spoken to is accepting of bi people and I feel much more welcome here and at Club Play as a bi man than I do amongst the LGBT community.

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By *lub play OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool, At The Crack Of Dawn!!

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By *lub play OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool, At The Crack Of Dawn!!


"Being an openly Bi couple that are both fully Bi on Fab we think we have seen a massive shift in the last 5 years towards it being more expected and more dare we say treated as normal people??? & not dirty disease ridden Bi tarts that seemed the mine stream view unfortunately around 5 years ago especially towards Bi men!

So the question is has your views & attitude changed??? or have you actually found that you are unexpectedly Bi even???

Probably opened a can of worms here I suspect so I will duck for cover now xxx

& Yes we are both Bi Tarts & proud of it before anyone asks lol xxx

I only became openly bi a few years ago but I have seen some really positive attitudes and some really negative attitudes towards it. Ironically (and sadly) most of the negative attitudes I have experienced have come from people in the LGBT community. Things like “so you’ve been with a man? It’s better with the same sex isn’t it.” Or “Are you sure you’re not just confused?” Or my personal favourite “You’re not properly bi because you’re in a straight relationship.” I tend to ignore it but it does get to me sometimes and as a result I don’t feel I have a place in that community at all.

On Fab and in the swinging community though it is completely different. Everyone that I’ve spoken to is accepting of bi people and I feel much more welcome here and at Club Play as a bi man than I do amongst the LGBT community."

Lovely to hear & on a positive note at least things are moving in the right direction especially with the younger generations xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it's gotten better but there's still a long way to go and there's still a lot of "tHeRe'S oNlY tWo gEnDeRs" morons around.

"

I learned recently about the 5 genders thing, (there’s a more complicated 7 too) Male - feminine male - female - masculine female - transgender.

I thought that was an interesting thought/read and a good way look at things. And for another thread or whatever

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By *onlywishiMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

Being ex military many may think I’m totally anti everyone

But I’ve always had the attitude of treating anyone around me with the respect and understanding that I would like ?

So I don’t have a problem with anyone leading the life they wish live and let live attitude I suppose

They only thing that does bug me is getting the do’s and fonts pushed at me and on me ? This annoys me that everyone is treated as ignorant about it and everyone is against the lgbt community?

Hope I’ve explained things ok ??

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By *zlakMan
over a year ago

Norwich

I have always had "bi" on my profile and have had some negative comments about it but i have not let it bother me as they are entitled to their opinions.

I think people are much more accommodating to whatever sexuality people are, and i think that people realise now that just because you are bi doesn't mean you are going to sleep with every man you meet.

Well thats my view on it

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

Some great responses on here and I’d echo most of the comments. I generally find straight people are the most accepting of my crossdressing, including female partners. Whereas Gay Men in particular can be quite aggressive/ dismissive when it comes to crossdressers or the trans community as a whole.

The general attitude, helped by tv programmes like Drag Race and influencers like Harry Styles, are changing perceptions of sexuality and gender how we dress or present ourselves, improving our acceptance towards society as a whole. So it’s getting better and future generations will have more freedom of expression in my opinion.

Also helps that you as a club (and others) are very inclusive and highlight it as well

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By *he Cram-BetweensCouple
over a year ago

A Club or Your Bedroom!

I'd say it's more acceptable to be a bi male now than it was when I came out in my mid teens. Still a long way to go though and theres still situations where I wouldnt dream of mentioning it! The way my kids talk though, a few more generations and it will be completely normal to be whoever and whatever you choose to be

Mr C-B

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By *lub play OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool, At The Crack Of Dawn!!


"I'd say it's more acceptable to be a bi male now than it was when I came out in my mid teens. Still a long way to go though and theres still situations where I wouldnt dream of mentioning it! The way my kids talk though, a few more generations and it will be completely normal to be whoever and whatever you choose to be

Mr C-B"

Lets hope that happens sooner rather than later xxx

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