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"Imo this isn't sex education. It's relationship education. And it needs to be non judgemental. Not about right and wrong but understanding viewpoints, how to express sexual preferences and the risks of miss expression. " I agree  | |||
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"Imo this isn't sex education. It's relationship education. And it needs to be non judgemental. Not about right and wrong but understanding viewpoints, how to express sexual preferences and the risks of miss expression. " I agree there needs to be relationship education. But are we as a society glamourising rough sex etc. Making it more 'normal'. And I agree it's more than just about that. That is a gpod point. Otherwise how can you be open if you are going to be judged. | |||
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"I think we have become a society who is afraid to offend. Offence builds debate and discussion. There are certain things that have got well out of hand and need to stop. Some jobs are simply not equal opportunity. Women are for the most part as strong as men so it should be perfectly fine for the company to pick the best suited candidate not think oh god we best have woman to make sure we don’t breach protocol. Like wise there are some jobs women are better at. We have two sex’s, just two! If you identify as a frying pan or pot plant that’s cool but your still a man identifying as a pot plant! It shouldn’t be allowed a trans gender man take part and win female sports for example. But we are so scared to pull people up on stuff these days. Women should be able to wear what they like and not be assaulted but they also know the kind of attention certain outfits may bring. People should be able to do what they like with consenting adults and not be judged. If you have a thing for schoolgirl outfits that’s fine until you cross the line, like everything in life! If you want a beer and drive home and drive home that’s fine it’s when you cross the line and have 6 and drive it’s a issue. As for the sex education, I feel there is lots of basic stuff missing. We should openly discuss sex, pornography and fetishes and how to differentiate abusive relationships and healthy kinks I also think they should teach things like how to look after a home, how to do basic life things like wash up, cook, clean, laundry. How to do tax returns etc" I agree if you're good enough for the job you should get it. But also i think it's a good thing that companies have to bring themselves into the modern era and become more representative of society. And would you challenge someone if they held extreme sexual views? I personally think teachers have more than enough on their plate as it is. Those lessons should come from parents/families/clubs/after kids schools etc. | |||
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"I think we have become a society who is afraid to offend. Offence builds debate and discussion. There are certain things that have got well out of hand and need to stop. Some jobs are simply not equal opportunity. Women are for the most part as strong as men so it should be perfectly fine for the company to pick the best suited candidate not think oh god we best have woman to make sure we don’t breach protocol. Like wise there are some jobs women are better at. We have two sex’s, just two! If you identify as a frying pan or pot plant that’s cool but your still a man identifying as a pot plant! It shouldn’t be allowed a trans gender man take part and win female sports for example. But we are so scared to pull people up on stuff these days. Women should be able to wear what they like and not be assaulted but they also know the kind of attention certain outfits may bring. People should be able to do what they like with consenting adults and not be judged. If you have a thing for schoolgirl outfits that’s fine until you cross the line, like everything in life! If you want a beer and drive home and drive home that’s fine it’s when you cross the line and have 6 and drive it’s a issue. As for the sex education, I feel there is lots of basic stuff missing. We should openly discuss sex, pornography and fetishes and how to differentiate abusive relationships and healthy kinks I also think they should teach things like how to look after a home, how to do basic life things like wash up, cook, clean, laundry. How to do tax returns etc" Surely many of those things you are suggesting should be taught/explained/discussed at home? School doesn’t have enough time to include Art and Sport any more, let along those life skills. | |||
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"Is it about time we start to be vocal and call out degrading kinks/fetishes/mindsets. " What if being open and honest - in a society that doesn’t judge - about some of the more extreme kinks allows people to explore them in an acceptable way? CNC and ABDL being obvious examples. I also really wish it was possible to accept that crimes are the criminal’s fault AND accept that crime prevention advice can help keep people safe, it’s not a zero-sum game. It would be lovely if we could stop people from committing crimes by asking them nicely, but it’s not going to happen. | |||
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"Personally, I'm sickened that women are not safe, I'm sick of men who r..e, abuse,hurt and torture women. For centuries this has been happening. " Absolutely agreed. But how do we, as a society change this? | |||
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"Not sure if consent is discussed at schools - if not I believe it should start from primary onwards! However, everything that's been mentioned on this thread, should always start from parents first. Teachers don't replace parents! " It should come from parents. Agreed. But it should also come from the wider society in general. | |||
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"I think we have become a society who is afraid to offend. Offence builds debate and discussion. There are certain things that have got well out of hand and need to stop. Some jobs are simply not equal opportunity. Women are for the most part as strong as men so it should be perfectly fine for the company to pick the best suited candidate not think oh god we best have woman to make sure we don’t breach protocol. Like wise there are some jobs women are better at. We have two sex’s, just two! If you identify as a frying pan or pot plant that’s cool but your still a man identifying as a pot plant! It shouldn’t be allowed a trans gender man take part and win female sports for example. But we are so scared to pull people up on stuff these days. Women should be able to wear what they like and not be assaulted but they also know the kind of attention certain outfits may bring. People should be able to do what they like with consenting adults and not be judged. If you have a thing for schoolgirl outfits that’s fine until you cross the line, like everything in life! If you want a beer and drive home and drive home that’s fine it’s when you cross the line and have 6 and drive it’s a issue. As for the sex education, I feel there is lots of basic stuff missing. We should openly discuss sex, pornography and fetishes and how to differentiate abusive relationships and healthy kinks I also think they should teach things like how to look after a home, how to do basic life things like wash up, cook, clean, laundry. How to do tax returns etc"
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"I think we have become a society who is afraid to offend. Offence builds debate and discussion. There are certain things that have got well out of hand and need to stop. Some jobs are simply not equal opportunity. Women are for the most part as strong as men so it should be perfectly fine for the company to pick the best suited candidate not think oh god we best have woman to make sure we don’t breach protocol. Like wise there are some jobs women are better at. We have two sex’s, just two! If you identify as a frying pan or pot plant that’s cool but your still a man identifying as a pot plant! It shouldn’t be allowed a trans gender man take part and win female sports for example. But we are so scared to pull people up on stuff these days. Women should be able to wear what they like and not be assaulted but they also know the kind of attention certain outfits may bring. People should be able to do what they like with consenting adults and not be judged. If you have a thing for schoolgirl outfits that’s fine until you cross the line, like everything in life! If you want a beer and drive home and drive home that’s fine it’s when you cross the line and have 6 and drive it’s a issue. As for the sex education, I feel there is lots of basic stuff missing. We should openly discuss sex, pornography and fetishes and how to differentiate abusive relationships and healthy kinks I also think they should teach things like how to look after a home, how to do basic life things like wash up, cook, clean, laundry. How to do tax returns etc" I don't think you're aware of what's taught in schools. Because pretty much all of that's covered, only rather better than you've put it. | |||
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"Not sure if consent is discussed at schools - if not I believe it should start from primary onwards! However, everything that's been mentioned on this thread, should always start from parents first. Teachers don't replace parents! " The concept of consent is now incorporated into RSE (relationship and sex education) from the beginnings of primary school. However, parents can withhold consent for their children to participate in aspects of RSE. There was a massively vocal outcry AGAINST any form of such education, when it was reviewed relatively recently. This is the Govt info on the curriculum: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education/relationships-education-primary#sex-education-primary Article from "Schools Week", 25/02/2019, entitled "Widespread opposition to relationships and sex education reforms revealed" | |||
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"I think we have become a society who is afraid to offend. Offence builds debate and discussion. There are certain things that have got well out of hand and need to stop. Some jobs are simply not equal opportunity. Women are for the most part as strong as men so it should be perfectly fine for the company to pick the best suited candidate not think oh god we best have woman to make sure we don’t breach protocol. Like wise there are some jobs women are better at. We have two sex’s, just two! If you identify as a frying pan or pot plant that’s cool but your still a man identifying as a pot plant! It shouldn’t be allowed a trans gender man take part and win female sports for example. But we are so scared to pull people up on stuff these days. Women should be able to wear what they like and not be assaulted but they also know the kind of attention certain outfits may bring. People should be able to do what they like with consenting adults and not be judged. If you have a thing for schoolgirl outfits that’s fine until you cross the line, like everything in life! If you want a beer and drive home and drive home that’s fine it’s when you cross the line and have 6 and drive it’s a issue. As for the sex education, I feel there is lots of basic stuff missing. We should openly discuss sex, pornography and fetishes and how to differentiate abusive relationships and healthy kinks I also think they should teach things like how to look after a home, how to do basic life things like wash up, cook, clean, laundry. How to do tax returns etc Surely many of those things you are suggesting should be taught/explained/discussed at home? School doesn’t have enough time to include Art and Sport any more, let along those life skills." No I quite agree we should but sadly many parents don’t. Compared to English lit, or French for example surely basics of living alone should take president. See what I mean? | |||
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"Not sure if consent is discussed at schools - if not I believe it should start from primary onwards! However, everything that's been mentioned on this thread, should always start from parents first. Teachers don't replace parents! The concept of consent is now incorporated into RSE (relationship and sex education) from the beginnings of primary school. However, parents can withhold consent for their children to participate in aspects of RSE. There was a massively vocal outcry AGAINST any form of such education, when it was reviewed relatively recently. This is the Govt info on the curriculum: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education/relationships-education-primary#sex-education-primary Article from "Schools Week", 25/02/2019, entitled "Widespread opposition to relationships and sex education reforms revealed"" the irony that their consent should be respected. Id prefer this to start at home ... But you just have to see threads here to see how far apart people are from understanding the nuances. And fab is probably more open minded than the average group if people. The issue is a loop ATM. Look at gender. Many of us learnt at school gender was genital based and/or chromosome based. We learnt about xx and xy and it was pretty clear cut. Now look on a "school uniform" thread. Judgement will be thrown around from the get go. | |||
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"I think many of us forget or perhaps don't realise that actually, "at home" or "from parents" is the WORST place that many children should be learning about healthy and safe relationships, or how to cook nutritious food, or how to behave around people of different genders, sexualities etc. Unfortunately, too many children are not brought up by open minded people, who are themselves in healthy relationships and who can work miracles with a tin of tomatoes, eggs and a few herbs. Too many children are in unsafe homes (various reasons), with insufficient or inadequate food, parents who can't/won't cook, parents who are bigoted/racist/transphobic/homophobic etc. If it was as easy as "learn from your parents", presumably we'd have no problems with people learning to be bigoted, failing to learn how to cook or any other multitude of things we think should be taught at home (budgeting, sewing, reading - the list is endless). Parents cannot choose to withhold their children from PE (no matter how much the parents might dislike sports), or German (no matter how much the parents might hold anti-German sentiments) or art (no matter how much parents might think it's not a productive use of time) etc. So why do we allow parents to remove their children from education designed to help them form healthy and safe relationships? " Because politicians still fear religion. | |||
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"I think many of us forget or perhaps don't realise that actually, "at home" or "from parents" is the WORST place that many children should be learning about healthy and safe relationships, or how to cook nutritious food, or how to behave around people of different genders, sexualities etc. Unfortunately, too many children are not brought up by open minded people, who are themselves in healthy relationships and who can work miracles with a tin of tomatoes, eggs and a few herbs. Too many children are in unsafe homes (various reasons), with insufficient or inadequate food, parents who can't/won't cook, parents who are bigoted/racist/transphobic/homophobic etc. If it was as easy as "learn from your parents", presumably we'd have no problems with people learning to be bigoted, failing to learn how to cook or any other multitude of things we think should be taught at home (budgeting, sewing, reading - the list is endless). Parents cannot choose to withhold their children from PE (no matter how much the parents might dislike sports), or German (no matter how much the parents might hold anti-German sentiments) or art (no matter how much parents might think it's not a productive use of time) etc. So why do we allow parents to remove their children from education designed to help them form healthy and safe relationships? " ^this. 100% agree. | |||
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"Not sure if consent is discussed at schools - if not I believe it should start from primary onwards! However, everything that's been mentioned on this thread, should always start from parents first. Teachers don't replace parents! The concept of consent is now incorporated into RSE (relationship and sex education) from the beginnings of primary school. However, parents can withhold consent for their children to participate in aspects of RSE. There was a massively vocal outcry AGAINST any form of such education, when it was reviewed relatively recently. This is the Govt info on the curriculum: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education/relationships-education-primary#sex-education-primary Article from "Schools Week", 25/02/2019, entitled "Widespread opposition to relationships and sex education reforms revealed"" Thank you, I'll go through this. | |||
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"I agree not all parents are fit and healthy parents. For whatever reason. But we can't expect teachers or police to solve societal problems. That's passing the buck. That's absolving responsibility. Isn't that part of the problem. I don't know the answers. But something needs to change. And soon. And we all need to take responsibility for it. " I get what you are saying, but this is education. We can all seek to educate our kids and call out poor knowledge ... But I'm not sure how we can help the kids with parents who aren't up to speed and have old fashioned ideas... We still haven't imo won the battle on homosexuality. And that's been fought for a while now. It's a multi pronged solution. And schools are the best way to give all kids a fair chance to learn the most recent understanding of these things in a safe way. | |||
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"But we can't expect teachers or police to solve societal problems. That's passing the buck. That's absolving responsibility." Teachers have had that responsibility for a long time now and it increases every year. I don't believe the root of this issue lies in schools. It's cultural. | |||
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"I agree not all parents are fit and healthy parents. For whatever reason. But we can't expect teachers or police to solve societal problems. That's passing the buck. That's absolving responsibility. Isn't that part of the problem. I don't know the answers. But something needs to change. And soon. And we all need to take responsibility for it. " Compulsory education in England started in 1876 under the Sandon Act. It's now the arse end of 2021, and still we think that it's possible to get all children to be educated on key areas of their development at home? How long should we leave it for "people" to start taking responsibility? | |||
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"But we can't expect teachers or police to solve societal problems. That's passing the buck. That's absolving responsibility. Teachers have had that responsibility for a long time now and it increases every year. I don't believe the root of this issue lies in schools. It's cultural." Teachers have no capacity. They can't do any more than what they are already doing. Agreed it's not just/only I don't think it's just cultural. I think as a society, we need to stop turning a blind eye or hoping someone else will sort it out. I don't know. I started the thread to see what viewpoints and ideas there are. Surely we as a society shouldn't be shrugging our shoulders. | |||
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"This is a great discussion to have. I'm not sure how much we can influence wider society but some of the threads on these forums shown that misogyny is still very much alive and kicking amongst single males of all ages. Maybe posters who are disrespectful towards women should be called out far more often and if necessary issued temporary (or permanent) bans by the mods to reinforce the message that such behaviour will not be tolerated. At the moment in my view there is far too much male 'banter' on this site that borders on disrespectful to all women and yet a blind eye is turned, presumably because they pay their monthly membership fee. " Are you sure it's just the single males? We've read some pretty grim comments from men in couples (allegedly in couples anyway) and also, though to a lesser extent, from women - single or otherwise. It's not just single males who write highly concerning things - perhaps due to the sheer numbers of single men, these are more prominent? | |||
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"But we can't expect teachers or police to solve societal problems. That's passing the buck. That's absolving responsibility. Teachers have had that responsibility for a long time now and it increases every year. I don't believe the root of this issue lies in schools. It's cultural. Teachers have no capacity. They can't do any more than what they are already doing. Agreed it's not just/only I don't think it's just cultural. I think as a society, we need to stop turning a blind eye or hoping someone else will sort it out. I don't know. I started the thread to see what viewpoints and ideas there are. Surely we as a society shouldn't be shrugging our shoulders. " If it's not cultural, what is it? | |||
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"But we can't expect teachers or police to solve societal problems. That's passing the buck. That's absolving responsibility. Teachers have had that responsibility for a long time now and it increases every year. I don't believe the root of this issue lies in schools. It's cultural. Teachers have no capacity. They can't do any more than what they are already doing. Agreed it's not just/only I don't think it's just cultural. I think as a society, we need to stop turning a blind eye or hoping someone else will sort it out. I don't know. I started the thread to see what viewpoints and ideas there are. Surely we as a society shouldn't be shrugging our shoulders. If it's not cultural, what is it?" Not sure if you mean x countrys culture vs another. Etc. | |||
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"Imo this isn't sex education. It's relationship education. And it needs to be non judgemental. Not about right and wrong but understanding viewpoints, how to express sexual preferences and the risks of miss expression. I agree there needs to be relationship education. " As if people with 7 kids from 3 women should be dishing out relationship education  | |||
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"Not sure if you mean x countrys culture vs another. Etc." I mean that we need a cultural shift. At the start of this century I thought there was a sense of change, a big shift towards celebrating diversity, people being more community minded etc. In recent years it feels there's been a backlash to that and a move to the right. Often underground but very apparent. A part of that is an acceptance by many of some very unpleasant attitudes. Somehow it needs a shift. I see this as a societal problem, not something that can be educated out via schools. If anything it's parents and grandparents that need tackling. | |||
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" And imo the biggest change has to come from men. The "nice" men who laugh when their mate is 'persistant' in chatting up a woman at the bar (it's not persistant, it's pestering), the ones who laugh when their pals leer and make comments at women in the street, and even down to the ones who roll their eyes and chuckle when their pals brag about not paying child maintenance to their "bitch" of an ex because she'd just use it for nails/hair/nights out - they need to call their mate out on it. Much like drink driving being disrespectful needs to become socially unacceptable before it'll ever end. " I agree 100% but also the tirade on social media against men with vicious memes and comments from women should stop. Being nasty about their past AND current partners, posting anti-men memes. The current memes are blaming all men for what happened to Sarah Everard. The number of women who are calling out the Police for what happened. The outpouring for Sarah is justified, but it wasn't the same for the two women who were murdered at Fryent Country park. Both stabbed and left in the park. No outpouring for these two mixed race women. We really have to address attitudes, but not just of men. Society as a whole needs a shakeup! | |||
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" And imo the biggest change has to come from men. The "nice" men who laugh when their mate is 'persistant' in chatting up a woman at the bar (it's not persistant, it's pestering), the ones who laugh when their pals leer and make comments at women in the street, and even down to the ones who roll their eyes and chuckle when their pals brag about not paying child maintenance to their "bitch" of an ex because she'd just use it for nails/hair/nights out - they need to call their mate out on it. Much like drink driving being disrespectful needs to become socially unacceptable before it'll ever end. I agree 100% but also the tirade on social media against men with vicious memes and comments from women should stop. Being nasty about their past AND current partners, posting anti-men memes. The current memes are blaming all men for what happened to Sarah Everard. The number of women who are calling out the Police for what happened. The outpouring for Sarah is justified, but it wasn't the same for the two women who were murdered at Fryent Country park. Both stabbed and left in the park. No outpouring for these two mixed race women. We really have to address attitudes, but not just of men. Society as a whole needs a shakeup!" The police are, understandably, being called out over the Sarah Everard murder because her killer was known for his disgusting attitude toward women. He should have been stopped multiple times before he did what he did. Also they are getting called out in a lot of places because of their appalling handling of the murders of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman. Not least because of the disgusting behaviour of their officers who took selfies with their bodies. If people really can’t see that there is an issue with “well yes, men should stop rap ing and murdering women, but women should stop being mean and posting memes” is part of the issue then we have a very long way to go. Poor men will have to put up with having their feelings hurt by memes while women are being given comments like “ask a bus driver for help” when it comes to basic safety from police officers. | |||
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"Much the same as the comment earlier in the thread about how women should be able to dress how they want BUT should understand the attention certain outfits bring. There should be no but. There is NO justification for disrespect, ignoring boundaries, sexual assault or murder. None. And the first step to dealing with that is to lose the constant “but” in sentences about men’s behaviour and women’s apparent responsibility to mitigate it." No one is saying that there is any excuse for attacks of any kind against women. But there are no valid excuses for blanket blaming men for attacks that happen. I have never attacked a woman and I would guess that most men can say the same, but here you are talking about "Men's behaviour" and not the "minority" of men's behaviour. The same as there is no justification in lumping all Police personnel into the they are bad basket. In ANY walk of life you will find bad apples. Do you dislike all truck drivers? No, but peter Sutcliffe murdered five women. So why is there so much hate for Police officers? | |||
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" No one is saying that there is any excuse for attacks of any kind against women. But there are no valid excuses for blanket blaming men for attacks that happen. I have never attacked a woman and I would guess that most men can say the same, but here you are talking about "Men's behaviour" and not the "minority" of men's behaviour. The same as there is no justification in lumping all Police personnel into the they are bad basket. In ANY walk of life you will find bad apples. Do you dislike all truck drivers? No, but peter Sutcliffe murdered five women. So why is there so much hate for Police officers? " Tagging a “but” onto the point about clothing is absolutely excusing it. It’s saying that women should have to accept it, which is basically the same thing. Same with deflecting with the whole Not All Police Are Like That or Not All Men Are Like That. It’s grumbling because “nice” men would rather be offended about women being wary of men rather than accepting that the vast majority of women are murdered by men so therefore the problem is men. Yes, in any walk of life you find bad apples, but with the police it’s vastly different to truck drivers. This is a police officer who was enabled by his job to do what he did. He was put in a position of trust by poor checking by the police. And the police are getting as much of the stick for their responses - check what you can get arrested for and flag down a bus for help ffs - as they are the fact they had, again, a known predator working for them and did nothing about his behaviour. It always says so much to me that so many men would rather whinge about how they’re not like that than address the fact that for women every murder victim like Sarah Everard could be them. That’s what women live with. So hardly drowning in sympathy over a few memes that men have to put up with. | |||
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"I've met plenty of women that would say comments along the lines of 'she's asking for it' because of what somebody was wearing. This isn't just a male problem." Do you think they are citing patriarchal views ? The male viewpoint, attitude and body is seen as the "norm", women are seen by many men throughout the world and here as other. | |||
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"I've met plenty of women that would say comments along the lines of 'she's asking for it' because of what somebody was wearing. This isn't just a male problem. Do you think they are citing patriarchal views ? The male viewpoint, attitude and body is seen as the "norm", women are seen by many men throughout the world and here as other." I just think they have an attitude that needs to shift. | |||
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"I've met plenty of women that would say comments along the lines of 'she's asking for it' because of what somebody was wearing. This isn't just a male problem." Men and women may both say it. However, it’s a predominantly male problem because “she was asking for it” generally gets said after something happens and the thing that happens is usually inflicted by a male. | |||
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"I've met plenty of women that would say comments along the lines of 'she's asking for it' because of what somebody was wearing. This isn't just a male problem. Men and women may both say it. However, it’s a predominantly male problem because “she was asking for it” generally gets said after something happens and the thing that happens is usually inflicted by a male." I think it's predominantly an attitude problem and the vast majority of times I've heard those types of comments haven't been after anything's happened. They're normally just an unpleasant judgement about how somebody looks. | |||
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"I've met plenty of women that would say comments along the lines of 'she's asking for it' because of what somebody was wearing. This isn't just a male problem. Men and women may both say it. However, it’s a predominantly male problem because “she was asking for it” generally gets said after something happens and the thing that happens is usually inflicted by a male." I don't follow. Either the attitudes of the many non-rapists matter, in which case it's all our problem. Or it's just the problem of those who commit the crimes. I don't get why the gender of the attacker means what i say is more of an issue than what a women says. | |||
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"I think that schools do and should have a certain level of responsibility, but also that should come from parents or carers of children. Sadly my children have seen first hand how a man should not treat a lady, and they are very aware of how wrong that situation was. They understand and know the result of those actions. On the flip side, I know kids who have witnessed their mum hit their dad, and see nothing wrong with it, however they have said they would walk away from the dad if he ever did it!! A lot is to do with home environment. My children watch me play sport in a male dominated environment, they hear the constant sexist remarks and they know it’s wrong, but they also see me stand up for myself and keep going. I think there’s just got to be a healthy balance between school, home, tv, social media etc, and an openness to discuss it "Totally this for me. | |||
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"Imo this isn't sex education. It's relationship education. And it needs to be non judgemental. Not about right and wrong but understanding viewpoints, how to express sexual preferences and the risks of miss expression. I don’t actually know many people who think rough sex isn’t normal… it’s very very well liked by a lot of people. But isn’t that something you find out when you talk about what you’re into? If you’re not, then you’re not. Formulating a set of ideals is the polar opposite of what should be sex edification of any kind. Ensuring people know that people are equal and what they want is paramount is more important. That’s the only thing we need to do. And physically and publicly castrate the people who don’t know right from wrong 
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"I've met plenty of women that would say comments along the lines of 'she's asking for it' because of what somebody was wearing. This isn't just a male problem. Men and women may both say it. However, it’s a predominantly male problem because “she was asking for it” generally gets said after something happens and the thing that happens is usually inflicted by a male." Not all males, but here you are reinforcing that "male" viewpoint that women are easy! To anyone outside swinging, your actions can be seen as reinforcing the stereotype of the easy woman. You can't really decry the attitudes of SOME men and then offer yourself for sex on the internet. For women's groups and others to assert that because I am not out there fighting the attitudes of SOME men, I am guilty too. But that is not my fault, I and many like me cannot be everywhere. I have turned away from conversations that maybe going "that way" but there is no way I am going to tell a bunch of guys to stop talking like that. My life would be very short! I suppose that next we will have saucy seaside postcards banned because of what they depict. Sites like this could be banned because of the image they depict. Jokes would be banned because they may contain sexual references to women. Long slippery slope! Be careful what you wish for. | |||
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"You can't really decry the attitudes of SOME men and then offer yourself for sex on the internet. " Firstly, why not? Secondly, is a woman 'offering' herself? I haven't looked at profiles so apologies if I've missed something and she actually is offering herself but if not that seems a problematic assumption. | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them." In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school? | |||
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" Not all males, but here you are reinforcing that "male" viewpoint that women are easy! To anyone outside swinging, your actions can be seen as reinforcing the stereotype of the easy woman. You can't really decry the attitudes of SOME men and then offer yourself for sex on the internet. For women's groups and others to assert that because I am not out there fighting the attitudes of SOME men, I am guilty too. But that is not my fault, I and many like me cannot be everywhere. I have turned away from conversations that maybe going "that way" but there is no way I am going to tell a bunch of guys to stop talking like that. My life would be very short! I suppose that next we will have saucy seaside postcards banned because of what they depict. Sites like this could be banned because of the image they depict. Jokes would be banned because they may contain sexual references to women. Long slippery slope! Be careful what you wish for. " The fact that you view my being on Fab as “offering myself for sex” and “reinforcing the male viewpoint that women are easy” says it all about your attitude, and absolutely nothing about mine. | |||
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"You can't really decry the attitudes of SOME men and then offer yourself for sex on the internet. Firstly, why not? Secondly, is a woman 'offering' herself? I haven't looked at profiles so apologies if I've missed something and she actually is offering herself but if not that seems a problematic assumption." It is a problematic assumption. It’s the assumption that being on here means I’m easy. It says it all really | |||
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"You can't really decry the attitudes of SOME men and then offer yourself for sex on the internet. Firstly, why not? Secondly, is a woman 'offering' herself? I haven't looked at profiles so apologies if I've missed something and she actually is offering herself but if not that seems a problematic assumption. It is a problematic assumption. It’s the assumption that being on here means I’m easy. It says it all really" Read it again! I didn't say you were easy! This is what I actually typed "Not all males, but here you are reinforcing that "male" viewpoint that women are easy! To anyone outside swinging, your actions can be seen as reinforcing the stereotype of the easy woman." So I actually said that you (not just you, but all women) are offering to meet for sex. (Yes I read the profile) is reinforcing that stereotype. Like most women, you may not be "easy" But just being on here looking for sexual partners could be seen as being easy! And yes.. "I'm a friendly chatterbox with a high sex drive" "Tend to meet/play in Falkirk or Glasgow" I would say that amounts to an offer! But anyway, the fact is that what we do can and probably is seen as perpetuating the myth that women are there to be used. Yes you choose who to play with, but although we all know that, others don't and I believe that looking at the amount of single guys on here, there are a fair few who also believe that. You only have to look at some of the profiles or see the comments in the directing chat rooms. As for my attitude and beliefs? You couldn't be further from the truth for a couple of very good reasons, both personal to our family. But I will not accept the assertion that because I am a male, I am somehow complicit in the attacks on women! | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them. In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school?" Harsh reality is that it does. Sorry if you live in the bottom end of society where it might not but most of us are doing fine. We don't need any help on relationships from the likes of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn whose private lives are a chaotic mess. Schools teach whatever the department for education tells them to and that would be signed off by a politician. Not sure how you expect any "consistent message" to come from people who aren't sure who does or doesn't have a cervix  | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them. In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school? Harsh reality is that it does. Sorry if you live in the bottom end of society where it might not but most of us are doing fine. We don't need any help on relationships from the likes of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn whose private lives are a chaotic mess. Schools teach whatever the department for education tells them to and that would be signed off by a politician. Not sure how you expect any "consistent message" to come from people who aren't sure who does or doesn't have a cervix " | |||
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"You can't really decry the attitudes of SOME men and then offer yourself for sex on the internet. Firstly, why not? Secondly, is a woman 'offering' herself? I haven't looked at profiles so apologies if I've missed something and she actually is offering herself but if not that seems a problematic assumption. It is a problematic assumption. It’s the assumption that being on here means I’m easy. It says it all really Read it again! I didn't say you were easy! This is what I actually typed "Not all males, but here you are reinforcing that "male" viewpoint that women are easy! To anyone outside swinging, your actions can be seen as reinforcing the stereotype of the easy woman." So I actually said that you (not just you, but all women) are offering to meet for sex. (Yes I read the profile) is reinforcing that stereotype. Like most women, you may not be "easy" But just being on here looking for sexual partners could be seen as being easy! And yes.. "I'm a friendly chatterbox with a high sex drive" "Tend to meet/play in Falkirk or Glasgow" I would say that amounts to an offer! But anyway, the fact is that what we do can and probably is seen as perpetuating the myth that women are there to be used. Yes you choose who to play with, but although we all know that, others don't and I believe that looking at the amount of single guys on here, there are a fair few who also believe that. You only have to look at some of the profiles or see the comments in the directing chat rooms. As for my attitude and beliefs? You couldn't be further from the truth for a couple of very good reasons, both personal to our family. But I will not accept the assertion that because I am a male, I am somehow complicit in the attacks on women!" Your attitude says it all. Being on here and playing sometimes is not remotely “offering sex” Men like you are part of the problem and that you can’t see it is part of the problem. | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them. In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school? Harsh reality is that it does. Sorry if you live in the bottom end of society where it might not but most of us are doing fine. We don't need any help on relationships from the likes of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn whose private lives are a chaotic mess. Schools teach whatever the department for education tells them to and that would be signed off by a politician. Not sure how you expect any "consistent message" to come from people who aren't sure who does or doesn't have a cervix "Wow. How have you jumped to us being in the "bottom end of society"? Judgemental, much?? We are education professionals and so we see the young people that many don't realise exist. In many schools, teachers are providing food, bringing in spare socks a undies or coats because children arrive without them. Teachers are trying to stop children modelling the behaviours they see at home, sometimes seemingly benign things like swearing or it might be young children carrying out sexualised acts because they've seen it at home. An "I'm alright Jack" attitude is exactly why we have such a differential society. Those who can, do. Those who can't/won't, sink like a stone. I have zero political agenda. I am personally something of a floating voter, I am not a member of any political party and don't feel any particular affiliation or kinship to any of them. I am motivated by wanting all (or in reality, the vast majority) of children to get a fair crack at life, not be doomed to repeat what might have come before. | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them. In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school? Harsh reality is that it does. Sorry if you live in the bottom end of society where it might not but most of us are doing fine. We don't need any help on relationships from the likes of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn whose private lives are a chaotic mess. Schools teach whatever the department for education tells them to and that would be signed off by a politician. Not sure how you expect any "consistent message" to come from people who aren't sure who does or doesn't have a cervix
Wow. How have you jumped to us being in the "bottom end of society"? Judgemental, much??
We are education professionals and so we see the young people that many don't realise exist. In many schools, teachers are providing food, bringing in spare socks a undies or coats because children arrive without them. Teachers are trying to stop children modelling the behaviours they see at home, sometimes seemingly benign things like swearing or it might be young children carrying out sexualised acts because they've seen it at home.
An "I'm alright Jack" attitude is exactly why we have such a differential society. Those who can, do. Those who can't/won't, sink like a stone.
I have zero political agenda. I am personally something of a floating voter, I am not a member of any political party and don't feel any particular affiliation or kinship to any of them. I am motivated by wanting all (or in reality, the vast majority) of children to get a fair crack at life, not be doomed to repeat what might have come before. "Exactly, we don't realise they exist because it's not normal. We don't need your lowest common denominator society just because people still have some free will left and a minority of parents make bad life choices. I am alright and because of that i will keep my children as far away as possible from the politicians who frankly disgust me. Especially when it comes to moral behaviour. I'm sick of people constantly asking the state to run everything, this isn't North Korea but I'm sure they accept migrants if that's the society people prefer to live in. | |||
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"Not sure if consent is discussed at schools - if not I believe it should start from primary onwards! However, everything that's been mentioned on this thread, should always start from parents first. Teachers don't replace parents! It should come from parents. Agreed. But it should also come from the wider society in general." It starts from home, each homes (parents) does its bit, collectively society benefits  | |||
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"Imo this isn't sex education. It's relationship education. And it needs to be non judgemental. Not about right and wrong but understanding viewpoints, how to express sexual preferences and the risks of miss expression. I agree "Me too, well said | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them. In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school? Harsh reality is that it does. Sorry if you live in the bottom end of society where it might not but most of us are doing fine. We don't need any help on relationships from the likes of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn whose private lives are a chaotic mess. Schools teach whatever the department for education tells them to and that would be signed off by a politician. Not sure how you expect any "consistent message" to come from people who aren't sure who does or doesn't have a cervix
Wow. How have you jumped to us being in the "bottom end of society"? Judgemental, much??
We are education professionals and so we see the young people that many don't realise exist. In many schools, teachers are providing food, bringing in spare socks a undies or coats because children arrive without them. Teachers are trying to stop children modelling the behaviours they see at home, sometimes seemingly benign things like swearing or it might be young children carrying out sexualised acts because they've seen it at home.
An "I'm alright Jack" attitude is exactly why we have such a differential society. Those who can, do. Those who can't/won't, sink like a stone.
I have zero political agenda. I am personally something of a floating voter, I am not a member of any political party and don't feel any particular affiliation or kinship to any of them. I am motivated by wanting all (or in reality, the vast majority) of children to get a fair crack at life, not be doomed to repeat what might have come before.
Exactly, we don't realise they exist because it's not normal. We don't need your lowest common denominator society just because people still have some free will left and a minority of parents make bad life choices. I am alright and because of that i will keep my children as far away as possible from the politicians who frankly disgust me. Especially when it comes to moral behaviour. I'm sick of people constantly asking the state to run everything, this isn't North Korea but I'm sure they accept migrants if that's the society people prefer to live in. "The curriculum is not written or delivered by politicians. People don't realise much exists beyond the end of their own noses. The number of children being brought up in dysfunctional surroundings for various reasons is far higher than you seem to think it is. Many children who you might categorise as being in functional homes may, in fact, be seeing domestic violence, parents living in debt, homophobia, racism or all sorts of other issues that are nothing to do with income or social status. The SRE curriculum seeks to equip young people to seek out healthy relationships and what is meant by consent etc. That's it. Why not have a read online about the content of the curriculum (I posted a link earlier in the conversation), rather than making sweeping assumptions? You don't have to send your child to a state funded school if you don't wish to have the state involved. Non-state schools exist and are available to those who wish to diverge from the state system. | |||
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"The curriculum is not written or delivered by politicians." Michael Gove would disagree. | |||
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"People aren't always badly off because they made bad life choices. I'm the first to point the finger at parents (and their parents) but even where it is the case that those parents have made bad life choices it isn't fair (or sensible) to not attempt to provide children with a chance to do better than their parents. Politicians do set the curriculum but it's delivered by teachers and for the most part teachers are of a better character than those that pursue politics. " The current national curriculum was written by a panel of education experts, including practising teachers, not politicians. Yes, the panel was appointed by the Government of the day, but it was not written by politicians. Boris Johnson, et.al did not write the SRE curriculum. | |||
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"The curriculum is not written or delivered by politicians. Michael Gove would disagree." Michael Gove tried very hard to write the curriculum, I agree. However, the final content and skills to be covered was decided by the expert panel appointed by Government. Many Gove-isms, such as a greater focus on rote learning, was incorporated, I agree. But Michael Gove (nor any other politician of any party) actually wrote the SRE curriculum. | |||
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"I think we have become a society who is afraid to offend. Offence builds debate and discussion. There are certain things that have got well out of hand and need to stop. Some jobs are simply not equal opportunity. Women are for the most part as strong as men so it should be perfectly fine for the company to pick the best suited candidate not think oh god we best have woman to make sure we don’t breach protocol. Like wise there are some jobs women are better at. We have two sex’s, just two! If you identify as a frying pan or pot plant that’s cool but your still a man identifying as a pot plant! It shouldn’t be allowed a trans gender man take part and win female sports for example. But we are so scared to pull people up on stuff these days. Women should be able to wear what they like and not be assaulted but they also know the kind of attention certain outfits may bring. People should be able to do what they like with consenting adults and not be judged. If you have a thing for schoolgirl outfits that’s fine until you cross the line, like everything in life! If you want a beer and drive home and drive home that’s fine it’s when you cross the line and have 6 and drive it’s a issue. As for the sex education, I feel there is lots of basic stuff missing. We should openly discuss sex, pornography and fetishes and how to differentiate abusive relationships and healthy kinks I also think they should teach things like how to look after a home, how to do basic life things like wash up, cook, clean, laundry. How to do tax returns etc" If you want me to respect you as the female of a couple, should I not expect you to respect me as a transgender woman. I am a woman, I am not a frying pan or a pot plant, how disrespect is that ? How would you react if your children ( if you have some) came to you and said they were trans, would you tell them to stop being a "silly frying pan" blimey how sad is that. And you are very wrong in that the law states that I am a woman and not a man despite your bigoted views. Now on to the sporting issues you have, I personally agree 100% that in some sports trans women should not take part, rugby for instance, there is obviously a difference in size and strength. But your post states that men and women are of equal strength in the main so why can't they take part in a physical sport ?. But what about something like archery, badminton, why can't trans women take part in those sports ? | |||
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" Politicians do set the curriculum but it's delivered by teachers and for the most part teachers are of a better character than those that pursue politics. " I'm not remotely interested in any of their opinions on morals or relationships. They should stick to teaching facts and otherwise stay in their lane. I didn't have children so the state could raise them. Oh and just to be clear about "bottom of society", most the house of commons is in that group as far as I'm concerned. I did earlier give the example of Boris Johnson and his 7 kids with 3 women which entirely disqualifies him from commenting on raising children or relationships (in my humble opinion). Some of you might look up to them but I couldn't honestly live with myself if I'd made their life choices. I should have used words like "failures at life" to be less ambiguous. | |||
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" Politicians do set the curriculum but it's delivered by teachers and for the most part teachers are of a better character than those that pursue politics. I'm not remotely interested in any of their opinions on morals or relationships. They should stick to teaching facts and otherwise stay in their lane. I didn't have children so the state could raise them. Oh and just to be clear about "bottom of society", most the house of commons is in that group as far as I'm concerned. I did earlier give the example of Boris Johnson and his 7 kids with 3 women which entirely disqualifies him from commenting on raising children or relationships (in my humble opinion). Some of you might look up to them but I couldn't honestly live with myself if I'd made their life choices. I should have used words like "failures at life" to be less ambiguous. " Don't doubt for one moment that we're all lesser in society than you
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" Politicians do set the curriculum but it's delivered by teachers and for the most part teachers are of a better character than those that pursue politics. I'm not remotely interested in any of their opinions on morals or relationships. They should stick to teaching facts and otherwise stay in their lane. I didn't have children so the state could raise them. Oh and just to be clear about "bottom of society", most the house of commons is in that group as far as I'm concerned. I did earlier give the example of Boris Johnson and his 7 kids with 3 women which entirely disqualifies him from commenting on raising children or relationships (in my humble opinion). Some of you might look up to them but I couldn't honestly live with myself if I'd made their life choices. I should have used words like "failures at life" to be less ambiguous. " Can you advise at which school Boris Johnson is teaching SRE? Presumably, with your views on state funded education, you've opted out of that system, as is your want, and so the point is moot? The Government has as much input in the Science and Geography curricula as it does in the SRE curriculum. And, to support the posters above, teaching facts is am awful method of education. Gove-ism sucks to the extreme  | |||
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"How do we move forward as a society? Is it time to make sex education compulsory at schools (I think it's now compulsory, not sure how much/what is taught though). Is it about time we start to be vocal and call out degrading kinks/fetishes/mindsets. Is it ok to fantasise about schoolgirls (I don't). Is it ok to keep quiet when we think someone has depraved/warped views? It is not ok for us men to expect ladies to dress 'appropriately'. We can blame others and say it's their fault. But what are we/you doing about it. Opinions/views expected and welcome. I don't have all the answeres. But something needs to change. And I think we need to be adults and discuss it openly. " Not letting within a hundred miles of our kids this is the most progressive generation this far in all time the vast majority will find the way without us old people. | |||
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" Politicians do set the curriculum but it's delivered by teachers and for the most part teachers are of a better character than those that pursue politics. I'm not remotely interested in any of their opinions on morals or relationships. They should stick to teaching facts and otherwise stay in their lane. I didn't have children so the state could raise them. Oh and just to be clear about "bottom of society", most the house of commons is in that group as far as I'm concerned. I did earlier give the example of Boris Johnson and his 7 kids with 3 women which entirely disqualifies him from commenting on raising children or relationships (in my humble opinion). Some of you might look up to them but I couldn't honestly live with myself if I'd made their life choices. I should have used words like "failures at life" to be less ambiguous. Don't doubt for one moment that we're all lesser in society than you
Should you ever climb down from your high horse and take notice of what the plebs are doing you may be shocked to discover that merely 'teaching facts' isn't an effective teaching method."You don't want me pushing my opinions on your kids so I'm not sure why you expect me to want yours pushed on mine. Pot is calling the kettle black. | |||
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" [...] teachers have more than enough on their plate as it is. Those lessons should come from parents/families/clubs/after kids schools etc." Whilst I agree that it's unfair (even unrealistic) to expect regular teachers to take on this type of subject, I think that people could specialise in Sex Ed and visit schools on a regular basis to teach it. When I think back to the various teachers I was lumbered with in my school years I could probably count on one finger the ones that would have been any good at teaching sex Ed. However I disagree that it should be left up to parents and families either. In fact I'd go so far to say that the majority of people's sexual problems in adulthood (varying from either not being able to have a sex life at all, to assaulting and r8ping whenever they feel like it) stem back to their family lives and how their parents related to the topic of sex. Bad habits can be passed down, religious beliefs can skew things badly and intergenerational trauma has a huge impact. For example my own sexual development was pretty badly stunted by growing up in a fairly sex-negative household. My mother was literally punished for getting pregnant outside marriage at the age of 18 and was forced to have the child in secret and give it up for adoption. As a result I was taught it was better to abstain and avoid sexual contact rather than how to do it properly. My parents were very cold and unaffectionate with each other most of the time and arguing hammer and tongs the rest of it, this made me want to avoid getting into relationships as what I saw of them made me sad and anxious. It took me until my 30s to start to undo all of this mess from my childhood and finally get into something resembling a normal relationship. If I'd had proper coaching on sex and relationships from someone who was actually an expert rather than two rather mismatched adults who couldn't make their own shit work, I might have had a much better experience as a young adult and not spent most of my life lonely and isolated. | |||
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"You don't want me pushing my opinions on your kids so I'm not sure why you expect me to want yours pushed on mine. Pot is calling the kettle black. "  Are you having an imaginary debate? Why would I want to push opinions to your kids? 
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"You don't want me pushing my opinions on your kids so I'm not sure why you expect me to want yours pushed on mine. Pot is calling the kettle black. Are you having an imaginary debate? Why would I want to push opinions to your kids?
And what's with the random idiom? Pot is calling the kettle black. Erm, ok "I said schools need to teaching facts (e.g. maths, physics, biology) and not dishing out opinions about morals or relationships. You said that wasn't an effective teaching method and that I'm sat on a high horse. I'm not: I don't try and press my moral value system on you or your family so simply don't try and press yours on mine. Nobody in my family is abusing any women so we don't need to be part of any national brainwashing scheme thank you. | |||
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"I agree not all parents are fit and healthy parents. For whatever reason. But we can't expect teachers or police to solve societal problems. That's passing the buck. That's absolving responsibility. Isn't that part of the problem. I don't know the answers. But something needs to change. And soon. And we all need to take responsibility for it. " | |||
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"You don't want me pushing my opinions on your kids so I'm not sure why you expect me to want yours pushed on mine. Pot is calling the kettle black. Are you having an imaginary debate? Why would I want to push opinions to your kids?
And what's with the random idiom? Pot is calling the kettle black. Erm, ok
I said schools need to teaching facts (e.g. maths, physics, biology) and not dishing out opinions about morals or relationships. You said that wasn't an effective teaching method and that I'm sat on a high horse. I'm not: I don't try and press my moral value system on you or your family so simply don't try and press yours on mine. Nobody in my family is abusing any women so we don't need to be part of any national brainwashing scheme thank you. "That's good to know. Thanks for explaining. And thanks for not pressing your moral values on us. Really
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" Could I borrow your horse if you've finished with it? (Tricky finding fuel lately )"Sure, right after I get it back from the people who are going to save women and society by fixing boys before they grow up to become vessels of toxic masculinity | |||
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"This thread is so confusing and full of random subject changes… And no one is winning." Is it not about learning different POV - rather than winning/scoring points? 
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" Could I borrow your horse if you've finished with it? (Tricky finding fuel lately )
Sure, right after I get it back from the people who are going to save women and society by fixing boys before they grow up to become vessels of toxic masculinity "I'm afraid that horse has bolted. Apparently it was heard muttering something about 'not going back to that ****er' | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them." Totally agreed. We all need to take responsibility for our actions. And impress on the younger generation to show respect and understanding. And that it doesn't cost a penny. | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them. In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school?" I agree with the sentiment. But honestly, teachers have no time as it is. Maybe if we extended school hours and they had some sort of welfare classes. But it still needs to be done at home. | |||
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"This thread is so confusing and full of random subject changes… And no one is winning." It is. But that also proves the point that we have a long way to go and that we all need to have a part and take a stand. | |||
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"Isn't an answer it's all our responsibilities ? Both schools and parents ? And siblings and everyone ? Schools can be a use platform to lay down some basics and some facts and that can springboard to home. And part of that may be parents having to explain their beliefs. And maybe be updated themselves. (see genetics). Kids (and everyone) benefit from discussion, benefit from seeing different points of view, and benefit from making their own minds. And doing this in a constructive way. I look at many threads here and see things which make me think many fabbers would have benefited from such a way of doing things. " Absolutely agreed. It's upon all of us. There are no excuses. | |||
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"When people ask these sort of questions it shows as a society we have already lost. People should not be outsourcing how you bring your children up to the state or try to adhere to whatever happens to be the public opinion at the time. You should be teaching them to be kind, considerate, principled, critical thinkers. Also make sure they know and are aware that other people are not nice and to be wary of them. In an ideal world, all children would be brought up in this way, but the harsh reality is that this is not what happens in society. How and where can some kind of consistent message about consent, relationships etc be conveyed, if not at school? I agree with the sentiment. But honestly, teachers have no time as it is. Maybe if we extended school hours and they had some sort of welfare classes. But it still needs to be done at home. " Drop something less important then. Education is all good, but not growing up to be a criminal is better than growing up not knowing what an oxbow lake is, if it comes to a binary choice between the two. | |||
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"You don't want me pushing my opinions on your kids so I'm not sure why you expect me to want yours pushed on mine. Pot is calling the kettle black. Are you having an imaginary debate? Why would I want to push opinions to your kids?
And what's with the random idiom? Pot is calling the kettle black. Erm, ok
I said schools need to teaching facts (e.g. maths, physics, biology) and not dishing out opinions about morals or relationships. You said that wasn't an effective teaching method and that I'm sat on a high horse. I'm not: I don't try and press my moral value system on you or your family so simply don't try and press yours on mine. Nobody in my family is abusing any women so we don't need to be part of any national brainwashing scheme thank you. "I'm a bit lost by the national brainwashing scheme? I'm not sure schools are dishing out opinions. In fact, I am certain of that. | |||
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"I think we have become a society who is afraid to offend. Offence builds debate and discussion. There are certain things that have got well out of hand and need to stop. Some jobs are simply not equal opportunity. Women are for the most part as strong as men so it should be perfectly fine for the company to pick the best suited candidate not think oh god we best have woman to make sure we don’t breach protocol. Like wise there are some jobs women are better at. We have two sex’s, just two! If you identify as a frying pan or pot plant that’s cool but your still a man identifying as a pot plant! It shouldn’t be allowed a trans gender man take part and win female sports for example. But we are so scared to pull people up on stuff these days. Women should be able to wear what they like and not be assaulted but they also know the kind of attention certain outfits may bring. People should be able to do what they like with consenting adults and not be judged. If you have a thing for schoolgirl outfits that’s fine until you cross the line, like everything in life! If you want a beer and drive home and drive home that’s fine it’s when you cross the line and have 6 and drive it’s a issue. As for the sex education, I feel there is lots of basic stuff missing. We should openly discuss sex, pornography and fetishes and how to differentiate abusive relationships and healthy kinks I also think they should teach things like how to look after a home, how to do basic life things like wash up, cook, clean, laundry. How to do tax returns etc" Can I just something. Are you calling trans genders frying pans or pot plants? How is that helpful? | |||
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