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"Bollocks. Complete and utter bollocks. " Our thoughts exactly. What a load of bollocks! | |||
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"I must be a man then. Me too." *scratches bollocks and sniffs fingers* | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " You know we aren't in the dark ages anymore, men stopped carry clubs & wearing skins a long time ago I pity any guy that tries to domme me | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " Bollocks, society sets the social norm not biology. If you've grown up in an environment where you have to be the alpha then that's all you know - until you discover something else. | |||
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"I must be a man then. " Lol How's that? Do you feel like a Man? Anything about you so far transformed into a man? | |||
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"When I was much younger maybe. Now I haven't got the time or patience to put up with men like that" Put up with men like what?? | |||
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"I'm err.. just posting something so I can catch up on this billy no mates thread later. "Lol billy plenty mates mates fella. Just seing where people's view's lay. Thats all | |||
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"This one screams crimewatch lol" | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? " Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " Dominant" does not have to mean to control others or to oppress or force others. | |||
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"This one screams crimewatch lol "Lol your well funny.. Yeah like the fella that murdered the Kent School teacher! | |||
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"I'm torn between watching this post and watching Bake Off for entertainment this evening K" .bake off smells well appealing from here. Knife & fork at the ready. Well hungry now.. | |||
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"This one screams crimewatch lol
Lol your well funny..
Yeah like the fella that murdered the Kent School teacher! "Are you saying that's what you consider a Dominant male or just trying to get the thread shut down cos you fucked up but are too alpha to admit it? | |||
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"I'm err.. just posting something so I can catch up on this billy no mates thread later.
Lol billy plenty mates mates fella.
Just seing where people's view's lay.
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"I'm err.. just posting something so I can catch up on this billy no mates thread later.
Lol billy plenty mates mates fella.
Just seing where people's view's lay.
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"That wasn't forecourted for we did not need to know about your non alpha behaviour. "Switch on, switch off at will. Lol | |||
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"This one screams crimewatch lol
Lol your well funny..
Yeah like the fella that murdered the Kent School teacher! "What kind of dick comment is that?? | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " Dominant" does not have to mean to control others or to oppress or force others. " Anyone can have these qualities regardless of gender | |||
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"This one screams crimewatch lol
Lol your well funny..
Yeah like the fella that murdered the Kent School teacher!
What kind of dick comment is that??"Ffs is he still going 
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"This one screams crimewatch lol
Lol your well funny..
Yeah like the fella that murdered the Kent School teacher!
Are you saying that's what you consider a Dominant male or just trying to get the thread shut down cos you fucked up but are too alpha to admit it? " | |||
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"This one screams crimewatch lol
Lol your well funny..
Yeah like the fella that murdered the Kent School teacher!
What kind of dick comment is that??
Ffs is he still going
I love tits but theres a line lol "Whoops. Yet another single male. | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " Dominant" does not have to mean to control others or to oppress or force others. " What you are describing in leadership traits can also be classed as servant leadership style. So does that mean submissive? | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. "
Thankfully that is very much not the case and this being the 21st century most men have accepted this view is a fallacy.
I like equality in my relationships.
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women..
Thankfully that is very much not the case and this being the 21st century most men have accepted this view is a fallacy.
I like equality in my relationships.
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " Dominant" does not have to mean to control others or to oppress or force others. " Yep that's me. Flik  | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " Dominant" does not have to mean to control others or to oppress or force others. " It exactly means to have power and influence over others. Just saying, like | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " Good luck with that assertion | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " Dominant" does not have to mean to control others or to oppress or force others. " That's not dominant. All of those things are what is just required of decent human. And the whole alpha and beta thing needs to fuck off too, a person isn't worth more or less based on their aptitude for certain activities. | |||
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"You are partially right. In hunter gatherer cultures, physical dominance played a much bigger role in the survival of tribes/groups, be it for hunting or fighting other tribes. So men had an upper hand and they were naturally the dominant ones. As the society has progressed, gotten wealthy and technologically stronger, physical dominance is not really a necessity anymore. Hence women are not at a disadvantage. Women can play the dominant role in relationships and men can play the submissive role. But I don't know why you speak like it's a bad thing. I see that you see yourself as an alpha male and would prefer a submissive female. All power to you. Hope you find such a woman you like who is happy to be with you. I on the other hand am submissive and would prefer a dominant woman to be with me. The best part of today's society is that we are all free to be whatever we want to be. No one is affected by individual choices here." Men were also divided amongst body types, broader built taller musclier men or "alpha" men would have been the ones getting mauled by the bear head on, while the slimmer built faster moving men would be flanking it with spears. I'm sure they were all drowning in pussy regardless of their role when they returned with the kill .
In our world today there is less perceived need for the upfront brawny "alpha" due to our world being far more technologically advanced. But they are very very much needed if this world ever goes dark again. And that applies to women too!
There was a great joe rogan bit where he said when the Russians invade we (in his case the US) are gonna need the women who wear non ironic daisy dukes and scream Chris Kyle rest in peace when you make them cum...
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"Is this the kindergarten?" Who is your daddy? And what does he do? | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " And you think women can’t do those things? | |||
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"You are partially right. In hunter gatherer cultures, physical dominance played a much bigger role in the survival of tribes/groups, be it for hunting or fighting other tribes. So men had an upper hand and they were naturally the dominant ones. As the society has progressed, gotten wealthy and technologically stronger, physical dominance is not really a necessity anymore. Hence women are not at a disadvantage. Women can play the dominant role in relationships and men can play the submissive role. But I don't know why you speak like it's a bad thing. I see that you see yourself as an alpha male and would prefer a submissive female. All power to you. Hope you find such a woman you like who is happy to be with you. I on the other hand am submissive and would prefer a dominant woman to be with me. The best part of today's society is that we are all free to be whatever we want to be. No one is affected by individual choices here. Men were also divided amongst body types, broader built taller musclier men or "alpha" men would have been the ones getting mauled by the bear head on, while the slimmer built faster moving men would be flanking it with spears. I'm sure they were all drowning in pussy regardless of their role when they returned with the kill .
In our world today there is less perceived need for the upfront brawny "alpha" due to our world being far more technologically advanced. But they are very very much needed if this world ever goes dark again. And that applies to women too!
There was a great joe rogan bit where he said when the Russians invade we (in his case the US) are gonna need the women who wear non ironic daisy dukes and scream Chris Kyle rest in peace when you make them cum...
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. And you think women can’t do those things?" Women are doing those those things, we allow them to be liberated to do so with confidence. I'm saying it from a bedroom and sexual prefference i like submissive women. And have been with Dominant one's too. Whom had high powered jobs,earned more,drove cars even played football. Not talking about eqaua rights here tbh | |||
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"Threads like this are great for finding more people to block. " Your opinion. Enjoy your fab. Block is the new Crack lol | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. And you think women can’t do those things? Women are doing those those things, we allow them to be liberated to do so with confidence. I'm saying it from a bedroom and sexual prefference i like submissive women. And have been with Dominant one's too. Whom had high powered jobs,earned more,drove cars even played football. Not talking about eqaua rights here tbh " Allow them.... Jesus christ! | |||
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"You are partially right. In hunter gatherer cultures, physical dominance played a much bigger role in the survival of tribes/groups, be it for hunting or fighting other tribes. So men had an upper hand and they were naturally the dominant ones. As the society has progressed, gotten wealthy and technologically stronger, physical dominance is not really a necessity anymore. Hence women are not at a disadvantage. Women can play the dominant role in relationships and men can play the submissive role. But I don't know why you speak like it's a bad thing. I see that you see yourself as an alpha male and would prefer a submissive female. All power to you. Hope you find such a woman you like who is happy to be with you. I on the other hand am submissive and would prefer a dominant woman to be with me. The best part of today's society is that we are all free to be whatever we want to be. No one is affected by individual choices here. Men were also divided amongst body types, broader built taller musclier men or "alpha" men would have been the ones getting mauled by the bear head on, while the slimmer built faster moving men would be flanking it with spears. I'm sure they were all drowning in pussy regardless of their role when they returned with the kill .
In our world today there is less perceived need for the upfront brawny "alpha" due to our world being far more technologically advanced. But they are very very much needed if this world ever goes dark again. And that applies to women too!
There was a great joe rogan bit where he said when the Russians invade we (in his case the US) are gonna need the women who wear non ironic daisy dukes and scream Chris Kyle rest in peace when you make them cum...
"It's needed only if the world goes dark again. But what's the chance that it happens? Even if that happens, the modern alpha man is not skilled enough to handle such a situation. | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. And you think women can’t do those things? Women are doing those those things, we allow them to be liberated to do so with confidence. " Allow?? Jebus! I'd love to see you try and stop me doing something i want to do and you not approve of me doing it! But its fine....I'll be a good, obedient little girlie and mop the bloodshed up afterwards and make you feel comfortable, dress your wounds and fix your broken bones, Oh Higher Being...! Never in all my years on and off this site, have i ever come across anything so sexist and crap before. | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. And you think women can’t do those things? Women are doing those those things, we allow them to be liberated to do so with confidence. I'm saying it from a bedroom and sexual prefference i like submissive women. And have been with Dominant one's too. Whom had high powered jobs,earned more,drove cars even played football. Not talking about eqaua rights here tbh " Some gold in there 
Firstly dominant in real life doesn't always mean dominant sexually.
As for 'allowing women' 
And women 'even play football'
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. And you think women can’t do those things? Women are doing those those things, we allow them to be liberated to do so with confidence. I'm saying it from a bedroom and sexual prefference i like submissive women. And have been with Dominant one's too. Whom had high powered jobs,earned more,drove cars even played football. Not talking about eqaua rights here tbh " ‘We allow them’ …. Excuse my language but what a fucking idiot you are hahaha! I won’t go into what I do in life as a profession, but I’d run rings round you with my eyes shut. You are doing yourself no favours. | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. And you think women can’t do those things? Women are doing those those things, we allow them to be liberated to do so with confidence. I'm saying it from a bedroom and sexual prefference i like submissive women. And have been with Dominant one's too. Whom had high powered jobs,earned more,drove cars even played football. Not talking about eqaua rights here tbh Some gold in there
Firstly dominant in real life doesn't always mean dominant sexually.
As for 'allowing women'
And women 'even play football'
When did they let you out?"True. Plenty of sexually submissive men actually play quite a dominant role in real life and see their sexual submission as an escape. | |||
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"Yes society is trying to make women more manly and guys more feminine. Which is making people confused of how they should act or fit into a relationship role, We are all animals at the end of the day and our natural instincts will never go away. If thats what you mean, i agree with you." Personally I think even that is bollocks. What's a manly woman? Does she like mechanics? What's a feminine man? Does he like flowers and baking?! Are those things against our 'natural instincts'??! | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural." lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things. | |||
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"alpha male… does not mean dominant over the female. I get told from my partner i am an alpha (manly) whatever. I do not dominant her in life. I do other things. I make her feel safe, she knows i have her back 110%. I would not back down to anyone if she was in the firing line to get hurt, as this has happened on holiday once. I provide her with everything she wants or needs. I do the DIY that needs to be done. I take all the stresses in life and try to minimising them to make her life easier or happier I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. An alpha does not need to belittle a woman. An alpha holds her high for the queen she is. Yes society is trying to make women more manly and guys more feminine. Which is making people confused of how they should act or fit into a relationship role, We are all animals at the end of the day and our natural instincts will never go away. If thats what you mean, i agree with you. If you mean you like a woman to worship the ground you walk on because you are a male…thats never been the case, thats just abusive " Fucking hell | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing" And my daughter was taught these things too... same as i was... Oh and baking and sewing too as well as all manner of "female only skills".... my son is a dab hand with a needle and making pastry... who'd have thought it?! The sexism in this thread is astounding! | |||
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"What traits are considered Dominant? Leadership, takeing ownership, finding solutions / problem solving , team building, provideing. " Dominant" does not have to mean to control others or to oppress or force others. " Oh oh, we done team building and built a den using the cushions from the couch…and I then showed my dominance by not giving C the password to get in
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " what ???? wow what a silly quote | |||
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"Bollocks. Complete and utter bollocks. Our thoughts exactly. What a load of bollocks!" And bollox to that, I totally agree what a load of bollocks, | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " What a stupid comment | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " If you have to tell people that you’re Alpha and Dominant… then you’re not | |||
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"You are partially right. In hunter gatherer cultures, physical dominance played a much bigger role in the survival of tribes/groups, be it for hunting or fighting other tribes. So men had an upper hand and they were naturally the dominant ones. As the society has progressed, gotten wealthy and technologically stronger, physical dominance is not really a necessity anymore. Hence women are not at a disadvantage. Women can play the dominant role in relationships and men can play the submissive role. But I don't know why you speak like it's a bad thing. I see that you see yourself as an alpha male and would prefer a submissive female. All power to you. Hope you find such a woman you like who is happy to be with you. I on the other hand am submissive and would prefer a dominant woman to be with me. The best part of today's society is that we are all free to be whatever we want to be. No one is affected by individual choices here. Men were also divided amongst body types, broader built taller musclier men or "alpha" men would have been the ones getting mauled by the bear head on, while the slimmer built faster moving men would be flanking it with spears. I'm sure they were all drowning in pussy regardless of their role when they returned with the kill .
In our world today there is less perceived need for the upfront brawny "alpha" due to our world being far more technologically advanced. But they are very very much needed if this world ever goes dark again. And that applies to women too!
There was a great joe rogan bit where he said when the Russians invade we (in his case the US) are gonna need the women who wear non ironic daisy dukes and scream Chris Kyle rest in peace when you make them cum...
It's needed only if the world goes dark again. But what's the chance that it happens? Even if that happens, the modern alpha man is not skilled enough to handle such a situation."A very large chance, never mind the natural disasters that could cause it, a solar flare would wipe out every electrical circuit on the side of the earth that is facing it. Within hours entire continents would be in the black with all of the emergency services overwhelmed... I'm not gonna reel off the scenario, it's long, but we'd be fucked and in a "without rule of law" world in very short order. The type of man and woman that will survive in that situation are a mix of alpha and beta, which is why i don't think beta should be considered a slur because you need the both people who can be brutally violent in a protective way and get their hands dirty, but if you want society to return in some form you also need people who are more technically gifted and creative. | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things."They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls? If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " What the fuckerty fuck!!!
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"From experience, any man that talks about “alpha males” and “dominant qualities” etc usually isn’t very dominant or ‘alpha’. The strongest, more masculine men are quietly confident. Even with leadership and other such things. The ones that shout about it tend to be the most insecure and less fitting the character " Thank you | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing And my daughter was taught these things too... same as i was... Oh and baking and sewing too as well as all manner of "female only skills".... my son is a dab hand with a needle and making pastry... who'd have thought it?! The sexism in this thread is astounding! "I’d like to add that I sew my own oven gloves, make pretty damn good pies, can do an oil and filter change, build shelves and iron perfect creases. It’s not relevant to the conversation but clearly that’s a complete trainwreck, so I might as well ‘flex’ a little :D | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc"Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty... | |||
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"A very large chance, never mind the natural disasters that could cause it, a solar flare would wipe out every electrical circuit on the side of the earth that is facing it. Within hours entire continents would be in the black with all of the emergency services overwhelmed... I'm not gonna reel off the scenario, it's long, but we'd be fucked and in a "without rule of law" world in very short order. The type of man and woman that will survive in that situation are a mix of alpha and beta, which is why i don't think beta should be considered a slur because you need the both people who can be brutally violent in a protective way and get their hands dirty, but if you want society to return in some form you also need people who are more technically gifted and creative. " Oh FFS. I wish I'd read this first and then I'd have known the type of crazy I was responding to
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc
Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty..."I’m pretty sure there’s studies out there done on babies showing differences in toys selected And it’s very well known men have brains better suited for that kinda work, while women tend to have personalities better suited for those types of jobs Not to say that those things mean you can’t do XY or Z if your “this gender”, but to rule it entirely as a case of learned behaviour from society just doesn’t line up with what’s seen in the studies, and that’s not to say that behaviours learned via social constructs don’t play a rule, but they don’t play the entire role | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc
Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty...
I’m pretty sure there’s studies out there done on babies showing differences in toys selected
And it’s very well known men have brains better suited for that kinda work, while women tend to have personalities better suited for those types of jobs
Not to say that those things mean you can’t do XY or Z if your “this gender”, but to rule it entirely as a case of learned behaviour from society just doesn’t line up with what’s seen in the studies, and that’s not to say that behaviours learned via social constructs don’t play a rule, but they don’t play the entire role "Do you have any sources please? It's a subject I'm interested in. My initial thought is that babies have some form of toys from birth. So they are being nutured to like certain things from birth. How would the studies counter that? | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc
Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty...
I’m pretty sure there’s studies out there done on babies showing differences in toys selected
And it’s very well known men have brains better suited for that kinda work, while women tend to have personalities better suited for those types of jobs
Not to say that those things mean you can’t do XY or Z if your “this gender”, but to rule it entirely as a case of learned behaviour from society just doesn’t line up with what’s seen in the studies, and that’s not to say that behaviours learned via social constructs don’t play a rule, but they don’t play the entire role
Do you have any sources please? It's a subject I'm interested in.
My initial thought is that babies have some form of toys from birth. So they are being nutured to like certain things from birth. How would the studies counter that? "I’d have to re listen to the podcast again, but I’m sure a little google searching can find those studies, I’d be interested to see their method a little closer myself actually. And even then, the biggest differences are in our psychology and brains strengths/weaknesses which are very consistent across the board | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc
Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty...
I’m pretty sure there’s studies out there done on babies showing differences in toys selected
And it’s very well known men have brains better suited for that kinda work, while women tend to have personalities better suited for those types of jobs
Not to say that those things mean you can’t do XY or Z if your “this gender”, but to rule it entirely as a case of learned behaviour from society just doesn’t line up with what’s seen in the studies, and that’s not to say that behaviours learned via social constructs don’t play a rule, but they don’t play the entire role
Do you have any sources please? It's a subject I'm interested in.
My initial thought is that babies have some form of toys from birth. So they are being nutured to like certain things from birth. How would the studies counter that? "Meta-analyses of gender-related differences in children’s toy preferences found that gender differences and gender-specific effects on children’s toy preferences are large and reliable, and that some toys that researchers have classified as neutral may actually be preferred by girls. It’s a huge study, and the methods used were interesting, and I thought the depth they went into on which factors played certain roles was interesting too, but again, I’ve only skimmed some of the method. It’s was more difficult that just putting babies in a room with toys https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-019-01624-7 | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc
Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty...
I’m pretty sure there’s studies out there done on babies showing differences in toys selected
And it’s very well known men have brains better suited for that kinda work, while women tend to have personalities better suited for those types of jobs
Not to say that those things mean you can’t do XY or Z if your “this gender”, but to rule it entirely as a case of learned behaviour from society just doesn’t line up with what’s seen in the studies, and that’s not to say that behaviours learned via social constructs don’t play a rule, but they don’t play the entire role
Do you have any sources please? It's a subject I'm interested in.
My initial thought is that babies have some form of toys from birth. So they are being nutured to like certain things from birth. How would the studies counter that?
Meta-analyses of gender-related differences in children’s toy preferences found that gender differences and gender-specific effects on children’s toy preferences are large and reliable, and that some toys that researchers have classified as neutral may actually be preferred by girls.
It’s a huge study, and the methods used were interesting, and I thought the depth they went into on which factors played certain roles was interesting too, but again, I’ve only skimmed some of the method. It’s was more difficult that just putting babies in a room with toys
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"Agreed BUT, I have met a couple of women who said they are submissive and I have also heard some ‘HORRENDOUS’ stories, from against her will force, held against their will and one guy who tied this poor cow up and repeatedly punched her in the face because he said that the only way he can cum, the guy should be chemically castrated!" That is abuse and assault. It is completely unacceptable. I know many people in the b*sm world, and sadly I have come across abusive people there just as in any other community. A good dominant, a "proper" dominant takes care of their submissive. And everything they do with them is discussed at length to make sure both are happy and it is consensual. That's true with Doms or Dommes because despite what the OP thinks, dominance is not gendered. | |||
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"An interesting point was that they found a clear link between age and toy choice. So the older a child was, the more likely they were to choose a toy geared towards their gender While this might mean that societal bias is at play, it could also mean that a natural bias is at play, and it just exaggerated as a child ages. As you can imagine, that’s incredibly hard to test for and is one of the main limitations of the studies I’d imagine. The old Nature vs nurture debate again " It always tends to end in nature Vs nurture. It's interests me as I was treated as a boy as a child on growing up on a farm. And I now work in a male orientated career. Going to read the article thank you for the link. | |||
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"An interesting point was that they found a clear link between age and toy choice. So the older a child was, the more likely they were to choose a toy geared towards their gender " The impact that the very earliest experiences children have are HUGELY significant. Kids are born into a culture that dictates to them whether something os boyish or girlish and it's pretty much impossible to do a great deal about it because they're surrounded by it. Add to that, that people (well mostly men) hate the idea that men aren't somehow fundamentally different beasts than women. Anyway: https://theconversation.com/you-dont-have-a-male-or-female-brain-the-more-brains-scientists-study-the-weaker-the-evidence-for-sex-differences-158005 | |||
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"An interesting point was that they found a clear link between age and toy choice. So the older a child was, the more likely they were to choose a toy geared towards their gender The impact that the very earliest experiences children have are HUGELY significant. Kids are born into a culture that dictates to them whether something os boyish or girlish and it's pretty much impossible to do a great deal about it because they're surrounded by it. Add to that, that people (well mostly men) hate the idea that men aren't somehow fundamentally different beasts than women. Anyway: https://theconversation.com/you-dont-have-a-male-or-female-brain-the-more-brains-scientists-study-the-weaker-the-evidence-for-sex-differences-158005 " Interesting, another lengthy meta analysis | |||
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"An interesting point was that they found a clear link between age and toy choice. So the older a child was, the more likely they were to choose a toy geared towards their gender The impact that the very earliest experiences children have are HUGELY significant. Kids are born into a culture that dictates to them whether something os boyish or girlish and it's pretty much impossible to do a great deal about it because they're surrounded by it. Add to that, that people (well mostly men) hate the idea that men aren't somehow fundamentally different beasts than women. Anyway: https://theconversation.com/you-dont-have-a-male-or-female-brain-the-more-brains-scientists-study-the-weaker-the-evidence-for-sex-differences-158005 " Another article for me to read thank you | |||
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"If any one who considers themselves Don believes that they are in charge of the D/S dynamic then for me you are completely wrong …. The submissive is in control of it all …. That’s where the trust is so important …" BOOM! There you go | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " If you are going to use the word DISTORTED at least elaborate! Personally I think if you have been brought up in a home-set, where the woman has had very little respect of having an opinion - I think your value of the female kind will always be distorted too. Mixing with different types of society/cultures you could re-educate yourself to except all types with different mindsets. | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. If you are going to use the word DISTORTED at least elaborate! Personally I think if you have been brought up in a home-set, where the woman has had very little respect of having an opinion - I think your value of the female kind will always be distorted too. Mixing with different types of society/cultures you could re-educate yourself to except all types with different mindsets." Really hate the attitude of some men, particularly from different cultures, that women should be subservient and at home. Glad many western women at least have found equality and liberation, I fully support it | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc
Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty..."That isn't what I said is it, don't reply me if you lack the objectivity to understand what I wrote. I wrote exactly what the situation is and what the results of studies are in the closest to egalitarian societies we have. And said that there is overlap in both sexes. Its not my fault if you have a panic attack any time something that feels facts come at you. like And don't ever say people like me, you don't know me, I have four sons and treat them all as individuals, I have one who loves both fighting and making guns out of sticks and having his toenails painted and wearing pink Pyjamas. And I paint his nails, in fact I have mine painted so he doesn't feel like he is odd for it? So next time, give things a proper think through instead of getting a clenched sphincter and waffling off any old shit. | |||
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"I teach our boys male things fishing/shooting/working on cars/bikes/boxing. All the above comes natural. lol I'd skipped over that bit. I guess that answers my previous question
I see your attitude as a very large part of the problem. The idea that you'd be teaching boys 'male' things like fixing cars and shooting!
What fucking century??!
These are not natural male things. These are things that people like you have educated kids to believe are male things.
They are male things, as most males find those things interesting and teaching boys those things if they are interested in them gives them skills they enjoy as an adult? Of course there is crossover, but most girls and women aren't interested in fucking about under cars getting covered in oil? It's nothing to do with kids being educated that way, it's the way that most males interest falls?
If you don't believe that, research the studies of egalitarian education in the Scandinavian countries and how those countries, who have come closest to removing any gender specificity in education, did not make more girls go into male dominated fields or vice versa, the choices actually maximised with more females going into fields based around people and care and more males going into mechanics and construction etc
Of course you're correct. Girls are far too precious and dainty to get themselves covered in oil
It's everything to do with kids being educated a certain way. That isn't the education done in schools - it's education at home, by people like you that actually believe that girls couldn't handle the idea of getting a bit dirty and playing with mechanics. Go and put your pretty dress on darling, and don't get it dirty..."https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/ | |||
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"I have four sons and treat them all as individuals, I have one who loves both fighting and making guns out of sticks and having his toenails painted and wearing pink Pyjamas. And I paint his nails, in fact I have mine painted so he doesn't feel like he is odd for it?" The question is why you'd consider that he might feel odd. | |||
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I don't identify as alpha - because I don't need to. I'm bot domme, I'm not sub - I'm me
And I have wifes permission to say so!!!
Seriously though, everyone I've ever been in a relationship has been my equal. Wouldn't want it any other way. | |||
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"Uh oh, what the fuck have I stumbled into ???
I don't identify as alpha - because I don't need to. I'm bot domme, I'm not sub - I'm me
And I have wifes permission to say so!!!
Seriously though, everyone I've ever been in a relationship has been my equal. Wouldn't want it any other way."Excuse the typo and missing "with" | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " Is this some kind of wind up? Irrespective, it’s garbled pseudo-science from misreads of animal studies transposed onto human behaviour, usually to justify men wanting to behave in a particular fashion. Hey ho. | |||
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"I have four sons and treat them all as individuals, I have one who loves both fighting and making guns out of sticks and having his toenails painted and wearing pink Pyjamas. And I paint his nails, in fact I have mine painted so he doesn't feel like he is odd for it? The question is why you'd consider that he might feel odd." Because kids are mean and don't generally understand that sort of thing and attempt to make fun out of kids that aren't exactly like them. And they have done and made him feel odd for what he likes. So him seeing me do it gives him a fuck 'em attitude if anyone has anything to say? | |||
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"Because kids are mean and don't generally understand that sort of thing and attempt to make fun out of kids that aren't exactly like them. And they have done and made him feel odd for what he likes. So him seeing me do it gives him a fuck 'em attitude if anyone has anything to say?" Some might argue that's society educating him to see those things as 'girly'. Only your original argument said it's nothing to do with kids being educated. They're just born liking male things or female things. | |||
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"Because kids are mean and don't generally understand that sort of thing and attempt to make fun out of kids that aren't exactly like them. And they have done and made him feel odd for what he likes. So him seeing me do it gives him a fuck 'em attitude if anyone has anything to say? Some might argue that's society educating him to see those things as 'girly'. Only your original argument said it's nothing to do with kids being educated. They're just born liking male things or female things. " I also said there is overlap. I also pointed out that in countries where education and society is the closest to egalitarian standards, the difference in male and female choices of interest and career path get wider not closer. | |||
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"Because kids are mean and don't generally understand that sort of thing and attempt to make fun out of kids that aren't exactly like them. And they have done and made him feel odd for what he likes. So him seeing me do it gives him a fuck 'em attitude if anyone has anything to say? Some might argue that's society educating him to see those things as 'girly'. Only your original argument said it's nothing to do with kids being educated. They're just born liking male things or female things. " Some may argue that but they would be wrong, because up to a certain age, society doesn't educate a child, they are for the most part taking information from their own mothers and the education system which is female heavy. So to try and land the blame of children thinking this thing is girly and this thing is male at the feet of men is a bit of a cop out. | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " You don’t look very dominant op | |||
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" Bollocks, society sets the social norm not biology. If you've grown up in an environment where you have to be the alpha then that's all you know - until you discover something else. " That’s debatable too. | |||
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"OP made the thread to pee people off that's exactly what hes done No idea why some people feel the need to respond " Politics and religion next | |||
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"OP made the thread to pee people off that's exactly what hes done No idea why some people feel the need to respond Politics and religion next "Don’t forget Covid outrage | |||
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"OP made the thread to pee people off that's exactly what hes done No idea why some people feel the need to respond Politics and religion next
Don’t forget Covid outrage "Oh yes…. Vaccination ? Yes or No | |||
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"OP made the thread to pee people off that's exactly what hes done No idea why some people feel the need to respond Politics and religion next "Noooo  | |||
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"OP made the thread to pee people off that's exactly what hes done No idea why some people feel the need to respond Politics and religion next
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " Stop this shit. Just stop it. On a day when a Met Police Officer was convicted of murdering an innocent girl, this kind of attitude that women just naturally submit and men dominate them is dangerous, and complete horseshit. Come and see me, fucker. I'll show you who's boss. | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. Stop this shit. Just stop it. On a day when a Met Police Officer was convicted of murdering an innocent girl, this kind of attitude that women just naturally submit and men dominate them is dangerous, and complete horseshit. Come and see me, fucker. I'll show you who's boss. "See…. If you’d let me bring up religion and politics that would never have happened | |||
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See…. If you’d let me bring up religion and politics that would never have happened "Behave you xxx | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. Stop this shit. Just stop it. On a day when a Met Police Officer was convicted of murdering an innocent girl, this kind of attitude that women just naturally submit and men dominate them is dangerous, and complete horseshit. Come and see me, fucker. I'll show you who's boss." Funny way of "stopping this shit" by following it up with fighting words. That's the exact attitude that is the root cause of the issues that you are talking about. Smh. | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. Stop this shit. Just stop it. On a day when a Met Police Officer was convicted of murdering an innocent girl, this kind of attitude that women just naturally submit and men dominate them is dangerous, and complete horseshit. Come and see me, fucker. I'll show you who's boss. Funny way of "stopping this shit" by following it up with fighting words. That's the exact attitude that is the root cause of the issues that you are talking about. Smh. " Totally true xx | |||
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"Because kids are mean and don't generally understand that sort of thing and attempt to make fun out of kids that aren't exactly like them. And they have done and made him feel odd for what he likes. So him seeing me do it gives him a fuck 'em attitude if anyone has anything to say? Some might argue that's society educating him to see those things as 'girly'. Only your original argument said it's nothing to do with kids being educated. They're just born liking male things or female things. Some may argue that but they would be wrong, because up to a certain age, society doesn't educate a child, they are for the most part taking information from their own mothers and the education system which is female heavy. So to try and land the blame of children thinking this thing is girly and this thing is male at the feet of men is a bit of a cop out. " Complete misunderstanding of how education works and the impact of early experiences. Never blamed men. That's just you | |||
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"From experience, any man that talks about “alpha males” and “dominant qualities” etc usually isn’t very dominant or ‘alpha’. The strongest, more masculine men are quietly confident. Even with leadership and other such things. The ones that shout about it tend to be the most insecure and less fitting the character " Excellent….. very well said | |||
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"Would he great to see some science quoted , there’s a lot out there. It does seem across lots of studies that more females have a sexual preference for taller partners, dominant partners, strength , that shorter , submissive and lack of strength. I think the science is probably sound but wrought with issues interpreting and making conclusions and likely to offend." Critical social justice theory is influencing academia in such a way that anything that threatens the "enlightened world view" is immediately shut down. "Toxic masculinity" is a catch all term to explain away every negative interaction between a male and female. The onus is on non-toxic men to "do better" and ostracise men who show such traits in the name of creating a more equal society (think of some of the scenes in that Gilette advert. However if you even hint at the tendency of some women to be attracted to the same traits and think of ways of changing that you are guilty of misogyny/internalised misogyny. | |||
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"I must be a man then. Lol How's that? Do you feel like a Man? Anything about you so far transformed into a man? " If I run out of Immac I grow a fucking massive beard. Proof positive right there. | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " If that play is kept for the bedroom and you reach that level, great. But if you try and dominate me outside of the bedroom then pppfffffftttttttttt instantly turned off. I’m quite a powerful woman. So it takes a lot for me to trust a man to dominate me in the bedroom. | |||
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"Males are Born Dominant Females Submissive! The roles have become Distorted some what.. in society of late. I am truly attracted to Submissive women.. " No. I find men that use the term alpha to describe themselves a turn off as it usually means they are just arrogant and snidey towards others .And anyone with Dom in their name tends to be the same and quite often have no idea about d/s they think it's just making a women do what they want when they want. | |||
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" Critical social justice theory is influencing academia in such a way that anything that threatens the "enlightened world view" is immediately shut down. " This is really not true. Academia is continuing on just fine, we’ll away from any manufactured culture war that the Tories, Express and Mail desperately want us all to be fighting. The number of incidents of the kind you refer to are infinitesimally small, certainly not justification to legislate to control research. The irony is that the idea of much being ‘shut down’ is just a convenient excuse for some to try to force their way of thinking onto the university sector. Also worry reflecting that sometimes not having an ‘enlightened world view’ really does just mean that you’re a dick. There’s no need to protect that. | |||
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