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No Straight man will fuck another man, if they do, then they are two things! Firstly a liar, never a good thing on here and secondly bent as a nine bob note!
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls?" And do you believe them? | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls?" Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives hi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck | |||
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"you can tell by the fact it says straight on their profile but have no verifications from women "  | |||
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"I think prison rules apply on fab, you're still straight so long as youre the one doing the fucking. I'm not complaining "And don't push back.  | |||
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"I think prison rules apply on fab, you're still straight so long as youre the one doing the fucking. I'm not complaining
And don't push back. "So who in Ponty area is ‘straight’ but likes guys to visit. Asking for a friend ?? | |||
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"I think prison rules apply on fab, you're still straight so long as youre the one doing the fucking. I'm not complaining
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We know quite a few men who put "straight" but play with men | |||
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"Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives hi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck" This! We lost a few off the friends list here when I changed my (Mr) tag to Bi-Cur. But there's not a straight female amongst our friends, and I've never seen a profile state "No Bi Fems". I totally respect everyones choice, but there sure is anti bi guy thing out there. TV/CD/Trans seem more accepted by couples and single ladies. That must have grown as the world becomes more accepting, and I hope the same for the Bi guys will happen. | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls?" How 'straight' would you like me to be Alex | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? How 'straight' would you like me to be Alex "As bent as you like I wasn't moaning about them as I've had sex with bi, straight, gay guys and ladies. Some guys just don't want to be called bi. | |||
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"Most guys on here are ‘straight’. However I know some like fucking other guys. How can you tell? Asking for a friend "Put bi on your profile  | |||
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"Nobody is 100% straight " Some men are | |||
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"Nobody is 100% straight " Why is it you never hear or read this said by a straight person? | |||
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"Nobody is 100% straight " I definitely am! | |||
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"Most put up straight as they know if they put up bi, most women won't touch them. " Agreed, I’m bisexual and don’t get a look from couples or women,,,, why is that ? | |||
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"Most put up straight as they know if they put up bi, most women won't touch them. Agreed, I’m bisexual and don’t get a look from couples or women,,,, why is that ?" Do you look for couples with bi males? There seems to be quite a few in my area and I tend to avoid them as I think they would prefer to meet a bi male. | |||
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"Nobody is 100% straight " Dont chat shit,more nonsense that makes others feel less guilty | |||
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"I think prison rules apply on fab, you're still straight so long as youre the one doing the fucking. I'm not complaining
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So who in Ponty area is ‘straight’ but likes guys to visit. Asking for a friend ??"Your friend seems shy.... | |||
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"Also alot of guys say “no tv or ts” yet they constantly messaging me. I guess some guys are just shy to admit what they really like!" Yes all the ‘straight’ guys messaging asking me to fuck them or let them suck me. Ummm if you read my profile that’s not happening. | |||
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"Bi woman and the norm in swinging its more common than woman who don't go with other women but bi men are still frowned upon to a degree straight people have the impression they don't know how to work a condom so I think that's why they lie" All the bareback bi sexplay videos and pics and having to tell the gum clinic that your partners have sex with other men because they have a different sti risk doesn't help with that either. It's a stigma that's not going to disappear and all we can do is ensure that we play safe | |||
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"I think prison rules apply on fab, you're still straight so long as youre the one doing the fucking. I'm not complaining "lol i just spat my tea out to that one | |||
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"Most guys on here are ‘straight’. However I know some like fucking other guys. How can you tell? Asking for a friend "does it matter? | |||
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"Nobody is 100% straight " Errr really? You sure? As a couple who used to be active on the fetish scene, we have pretty much seen it all (well maybe not ALL but a lot, some would make your eyes water). Having seen guys in clubs going at it, while I (Mr) am totally open-minded, it didn’t remotely turn me on! | |||
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"Straight is straight. no dicks, really SIMPLE " Blunt and to the point. But spot on. | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives bi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck" This. Although transgender and transvestism (or cross dressing) are two very different things. The prejudice and stigma surrounding bisexual men is heartbreaking. The amount of women who "aren't attracted to bi-guys" but it's not homophobia (or biphobia) it's just a preference. Preference my arse. If the fact that someone you would otherwise be attracted to, is suddenly unattractive to you because they are bi... You need to take a long deep look inside and acknowledge, and work on, your issues with bi men. End rant.. Sorry | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives bi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck This. Although transgender and transvestism (or cross dressing) are two very different things. The prejudice and stigma surrounding bisexual men is heartbreaking. The amount of women who "aren't attracted to bi-guys" but it's not homophobia (or biphobia) it's just a preference. Preference my arse. If the fact that someone you would otherwise be attracted to, is suddenly unattractive to you because they are bi... You need to take a long deep look inside and acknowledge, and work on, your issues with bi men. End rant.. Sorry" I disagree. People don't have to work on anything. They shouldn't be shamed into fucking people they aren't attracted to. It's sex, not a job/ house etc. | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives bi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck This. Although transgender and transvestism (or cross dressing) are two very different things. The prejudice and stigma surrounding bisexual men is heartbreaking. The amount of women who "aren't attracted to bi-guys" but it's not homophobia (or biphobia) it's just a preference. Preference my arse. If the fact that someone you would otherwise be attracted to, is suddenly unattractive to you because they are bi... You need to take a long deep look inside and acknowledge, and work on, your issues with bi men. End rant.. Sorry I disagree. People don't have to work on anything. They shouldn't be shamed into fucking people they aren't attracted to. It's sex, not a job/ house etc. " | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives bi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck This. Although transgender and transvestism (or cross dressing) are two very different things. The prejudice and stigma surrounding bisexual men is heartbreaking. The amount of women who "aren't attracted to bi-guys" but it's not homophobia (or biphobia) it's just a preference. Preference my arse. If the fact that someone you would otherwise be attracted to, is suddenly unattractive to you because they are bi... You need to take a long deep look inside and acknowledge, and work on, your issues with bi men. End rant.. Sorry" Best response I’ve ever seen to this I’m bi-sexual & finally proud of my sexuality however , I’m not ‘out’ due to how it’s still seen by some in modern society | |||
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"Plenty of people a perfectly capable of having sex with someone they’re not attracted to. They can get off on the mechanical stimulation. What about the other way around, all the closeted gays throughout history who married and had families, are they not gay because they had sex with their opposite sex?" Very well said hun and great point, it seems its double standards for women or the historical closeted gays, those gay men with families are called gay even if they've mostly slept with women their whole lives yet a man gets a bj of a tvs girl or indeed another guy and is 'tarnished' in the eyes of many and his status 'lowered' to bi or bicurious or even gay. Its so fu**ING stupid! A LOT of men (and I mean A LOT) have sex with men or TVS as a matter of convenience rather than because of sexual chemistry, and society needs to get over it and stop seeing that as some sort of weakness. There are plenty of points in history where it was perfectly acceptable and nobody batted an eye lid and in fact it was encouraged and often made the man more desirable to women as it displayed a certain freedom and sexurial virility. | |||
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"Plenty of people a perfectly capable of having sex with someone they’re not attracted to. They can get off on the mechanical stimulation. What about the other way around, all the closeted gays throughout history who married and had families, are they not gay because they had sex with their opposite sex? Very well said hun and great point, it seems its double standards for women or the historical closeted gays, those gay men with families are called gay even if they've mostly slept with women their whole lives yet a man gets a bj of a tvs girl or indeed another guy and is 'tarnished' in the eyes of many and his status 'lowered' to bi or bicurious or even gay. Its so fu**ING stupid! A LOT of men (and I mean A LOT) have sex with men or TVS as a matter of convenience rather than because of sexual chemistry, and society needs to get over it and stop seeing that as some sort of weakness. There are plenty of points in history where it was perfectly acceptable and nobody batted an eye lid and in fact it was encouraged and often made the man more desirable to women as it displayed a certain freedom and sexurial virility. " | |||
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"Plenty of people a perfectly capable of having sex with someone they’re not attracted to. They can get off on the mechanical stimulation. What about the other way around, all the closeted gays throughout history who married and had families, are they not gay because they had sex with their opposite sex? Very well said hun and great point, it seems its double standards for women or the historical closeted gays, those gay men with families are called gay even if they've mostly slept with women their whole lives yet a man gets a bj of a tvs girl or indeed another guy and is 'tarnished' in the eyes of many and his status 'lowered' to bi or bicurious or even gay. Its so fu**ING stupid! A LOT of men (and I mean A LOT) have sex with men or TVS as a matter of convenience rather than because of sexual chemistry, and society needs to get over it and stop seeing that as some sort of weakness. There are plenty of points in history where it was perfectly acceptable and nobody batted an eye lid and in fact it was encouraged and often made the man more desirable to women as it displayed a certain freedom and sexurial virility. " Can’t argue with any of this, look at the Romans... they were all hooking up without a care in the world | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives bi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck This. Although transgender and transvestism (or cross dressing) are two very different things. The prejudice and stigma surrounding bisexual men is heartbreaking. The amount of women who "aren't attracted to bi-guys" but it's not homophobia (or biphobia) it's just a preference. Preference my arse. If the fact that someone you would otherwise be attracted to, is suddenly unattractive to you because they are bi... You need to take a long deep look inside and acknowledge, and work on, your issues with bi men. End rant.. Sorry" i think you sum this up nicely. | |||
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"you can tell by the fact it says straight on their profile but have no verifications from women "Pretty much this | |||
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"Most guys on here are ‘straight’. However I know some like fucking other guys. How can you tell?" Shit on their helmet. I dont mean have a dump on ...... Do i need to explain this? | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men." You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever." But it is a spectrum for most. Or a graded scale, just because you are at the end of it and won’t shift, doesn’t mean that it isn’t. And it’s WAY over simplistic to say that SEXUALITY is just straight, gay , bisexual. If someone happened to have, for whatever reason, experimented once or a couple of times , maybe by mistake.. with a guy, (or a girl if the person is a girl) or a TV or whatever.. that doesn’t invalidate them identifying as straight. But that can be graded. Especially if someone is open to a little experimentation or curiosity. I might have got shit faced a few times in my 20s but u can’t define me as an alcoholic and I certainly don’t identify as one lol  | |||
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"I disagree. People don't have to work on anything. They shouldn't be shamed into fucking people they aren't attracted to. It's sex, not a job/ house etc. " If we all agreed the world would be a boring, but possibly nicer place to live. Of course people should work on themselves! We all have subconscious bias and predudices. I've had many conversations with women who have been drooling only some gorgeous guy, I've even spoken to women who've done the filthy with someone only to be 'repulsed' because that same gorgeous guy is actually bisexual. If your reaction to someone you find attractive is to suddenly find them unattractive on learning of their sexuality, that is homophobia coming into play... more often than not unconsciously. There is nothing wrong at all with saying people should look inwards and challenge, stretch and change those biases and prejudices. I wasn't saying that they should just jump straight into bed with someone, but some self-reflection about why your 'preferences' are there, especially if they contain harmful tropes. (Such as 'they are just less of a man', 'men having sex with men is unnatural' and 'it's just a bit icky' (all commonly quoted on here when mentioning bisexual men). ) | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. But it is a spectrum for most. Or a graded scale, just because you are at the end of it and won’t shift, doesn’t mean that it isn’t. And it’s WAY over simplistic to say that SEXUALITY is just straight, gay , bisexual. If someone happened to have, for whatever reason, experimented once or a couple of times , maybe by mistake.. with a guy, (or a girl if the person is a girl) or a TV or whatever.. that doesn’t invalidate them identifying as straight. But that can be graded. Especially if someone is open to a little experimentation or curiosity. I might have got shit faced a few times in my 20s but u can’t define me as an alcoholic and I certainly don’t identify as one lol "It only seems to be a spectrum for those that aren't straight. Surely if you are experimenting you are curious, bi curious? It is very simple. You're either straight or you aren't. The problem is that far too many guys can't accept their own sexualitiy for whatever reason. That is the biggest problem. They make excuses, like spectrum or shades just to make themselves feel better. Surely if they admit it to themselves, even if only on here, they will find it a relief and probably open up more opportunities. Just admit you're not straight that's all you have to do. | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever." Because to a straight person, there isn't a grey area, you can't understand how it's not some binary switch. Just like I can't quite understand how someone can be 100% straight, I accept that someone is because that is what they tell me, but I don't understand it. Maybe you could accept that although for your your sexuality is very easy to define being a very black and white straight person, that for others it's a lot more fluid or has shades and they don't quite feel one box of the other? | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. Because to a straight person, there isn't a grey area, you can't understand how it's not some binary switch. Just like I can't quite understand how someone can be 100% straight, I accept that someone is because that is what they tell me, but I don't understand it. Maybe you could accept that although for your your sexuality is very easy to define being a very black and white straight person, that for others it's a lot more fluid or has shades and they don't quite feel one box of the other?" You seem to think I can't accept that there is fluidity within the bi/gay community? I'm sure there is. The problem I have is being told no-one is 100% straight. There are. I don't have a problem with bi or gay, one person's sexuality is their own. It just seems that many of the bi/gay community, as you yourself said don't understand that some people are simply straight. They are the people that seem to have the problem, not those that are straight. | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. Because to a straight person, there isn't a grey area, you can't understand how it's not some binary switch. Just like I can't quite understand how someone can be 100% straight, I accept that someone is because that is what they tell me, but I don't understand it. Maybe you could accept that although for your your sexuality is very easy to define being a very black and white straight person, that for others it's a lot more fluid or has shades and they don't quite feel one box of the other? You seem to think I can't accept that there is fluidity within the bi/gay community? I'm sure there is. The problem I have is being told no-one is 100% straight. There are. I don't have a problem with bi or gay, one person's sexuality is their own. It just seems that many of the bi/gay community, as you yourself said don't understand that some people are simply straight. They are the people that seem to have the problem, not those that are straight." But that isn't what you said at all! "It is very simple. You're either straight or you aren't. The problem is that far too many guys can't accept their own sexuality for whatever reason. That is the biggest problem. They make excuses, like spectrum or shades just to make themselves feel better." I have the same lack of understanding for someone who is 100% gay, it's not that I don't believe they are, but in my personal lived experience, I can't comprehend it... Because I've never experienced it. | |||
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"straight is a label, thats it. Sure theres straight men who have no inclination at all to be with or near a guy in a sexual capacity. But there's also straight men, who've dabbled, decided its not for them. Some straight men, who don't mind the physical act of some sexual activity with a man but theres no emotional connection. Other straight men are terrified to be labelled anything other than straight. It is what it is. Its whatever they feel comfortable with identifying with and nothing really to do with me. If I'm messaged by a guy on here 70% of the time that guy will identify as 'straight' on his profile. Sure I'll ask what that means to him. Whether I believe he fits the definition of straight or not I don't project onto him. " Straight is a label...  | |||
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"What label do you insist for gay men who have fucked women? If people are not sexually or romantically attracted to a gender, it doesn't stop them from being able to have sexual contact with them, so why insist on orientation that's not based on attraction! There are people who have situational interaction. There are people who understand that an absence of attraction doesn't mean that they are turned off or repulsed. " I dont disagree with what you're saying but as counter to that there are some of us straight guys that are turned off and repulsed by the thought of any sexual interaction with someone of the same sex. I'm one of them. I cant even be be near another guys cum in a group setting. It just makes me wretch. I cant even kiss my wife if she swallows a load (even mine) until she cleans up and brushes her teeth. Fact of the matter is, it's a very broad spectrum and some of us know exactly where we are on that spectrum. Dosent mean we dont recognise and respect that others are not the same as us, it just means we are firmly rooted in our spots on the afore mentioned spectrum. | |||
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"you’re right to put straight in inverted commas as they ain’t straight at all if they fuck other guys It’s black and white no middle ground " Ahhh apparently they are straight though if they fuck men as long as they don't fancy them, and denial is a river in Egypt. | |||
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"Nobody is 100% straight " I'm 100% straight, but if I wasn't I'd be bi with pride, would hate to deceive people just to get a shag. | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. Because to a straight person, there isn't a grey area, you can't understand how it's not some binary switch. Just like I can't quite understand how someone can be 100% straight, I accept that someone is because that is what they tell me, but I don't understand it. Maybe you could accept that although for your your sexuality is very easy to define being a very black and white straight person, that for others it's a lot more fluid or has shades and they don't quite feel one box of the other?" Yassss to this!!! I only ever had sexual contact with guys myself so I guess I’m on one end of a spectrum but I definitely believe it is a Spectrum and I’ve been curious about some cis women, more like how it’d be to share a man with one than anything. But I can see how sexuality is super fluid and hard to define. The whole “just admit you aren’t what you say u are” sounds disgusteeeen. Like, just let people be. He Must be a straight police officer lol | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls?" TGirls generally identify as female, men are attracted to feminity and therefor don't make u bi. I am just bi as I like cocks as much as pussy. No explanations needed. | |||
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"This spectrum business always seems unnecessarily confusing to me when it should should be simple. Straight is straight. Gay is gay. Whilst the spectrum fits neatly under the bi description. Of course for a variety of reasons many guys on fab will involve themselves in unbelievable descriptive contortions to avoid the bi or even gay label. Fair enough. There are a lot of people on fab share this tactic. In the real world outside of fab however...." In the real world outside of fab.... It's still a spectrum... Especially when you add pan/Omni and asexuality be into the mix. | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with." Labels help. If people are honest. I dont care what their favourite team is or who they voted for but since this is a sex site it helps if they describe themselves accurately and honestly. It's not ideal but it does help to quickly establish shared expectations and limits. | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with. Labels help. If people are honest. I dont care what their favourite team is or who they voted for but since this is a sex site it helps if they describe themselves accurately and honestly. It's not ideal but it does help to quickly establish shared expectations and limits. " I guess we should set up an archive with all the informations of who people shagged for transparency then lol So you can check online if someone is truly straight or if he is bent because maybe when he was 14 something might have happened once. Tainted forever lol Your theory doesn’t make sense.. hence why sexuality is generally fluid, might not be for you. But it is for most. And why over simplifying by saying either straight, bi or gay is making things way too simple for such a complicated matter. By the way, for whatever reason guys always seem to get the end of the stick. With people like yourself pointing out and saying... well you can’t be REALLY straight if... (insert whatever excuse) Could be even something stupid like, if you double penetrated a woman and your cocks touched... | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with." Which is a purely selfish attitude to have. I dont care what your sexuality is, it's not my business outside of a potential meet which is all we care about. At that point it's about all parties involved, not an individual. That fact seems to be lost so often in these types of threads. Be honest and be yourselves. Plenty of people will meet bi guys on fab just as plenty wont. Stop getting hung up about those who are bot interested and focus on those who are. | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with. Labels help. If people are honest. I dont care what their favourite team is or who they voted for but since this is a sex site it helps if they describe themselves accurately and honestly. It's not ideal but it does help to quickly establish shared expectations and limits. I guess we should set up an archive with all the informations of who people shagged for transparency then lol So you can check online if someone is truly straight or if he is bent because maybe when he was 14 something might have happened once. Tainted forever lol Your theory doesn’t make sense.. hence why sexuality is generally fluid, might not be for you. But it is for most. And why over simplifying by saying either straight, bi or gay is making things way too simple for such a complicated matter. By the way, for whatever reason guys always seem to get the end of the stick. With people like yourself pointing out and saying... well you can’t be REALLY straight if... (insert whatever excuse) Could be even something stupid like, if you double penetrated a woman and your cocks touched... " I think it's fair to say we have totally different opinions on this topic and no possibility of a meeting of minds. I respect you have your take on this but I simply don't agree with it. Especially your speculative claim that sexuality is generally fluid for "most". Really? Even on the selective example of fab membership only that is a huge unverified leap. But I can understand why many bi guys want to believe it. I guess the only opinion share is the fact that many guys on this site who claim to be straight are actually secretly up for same sex fun. Yes for me the issue is actually quite clear simple and will remain so. At least I can have respect for guys who are honest enough to be open about being bi or gay. I am not so hardline as to believe that one confused fumble as a 14 year old defines a person as bi for life. However spoke recently to a guy who claimed to be straight but was verified by 16 tv's. He was furious at our suggestion he was bi. Hilarious. Only in the weird world of fab could this happen. | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with. Which is a purely selfish attitude to have. I dont care what your sexuality is, it's not my business outside of a potential meet which is all we care about. At that point it's about all parties involved, not an individual. That fact seems to be lost so often in these types of threads. Be honest and be yourselves. Plenty of people will meet bi guys on fab just as plenty wont. Stop getting hung up about those who are bot interested and focus on those who are. " But also don’t you think it’s completely selfish from you to deny how somebody actually labels himself/herself? I think maybe you should ask directly and make sure that the person hasn’t had sex with anyone of the same sex . Ever. Then u will get your answer. Its a bit ridiculous that somebody has to change their labels whatever that might be (on how they identity primarily) so you got ur piece of mind. If it really bothers you, just ask... | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with. Labels help. If people are honest. I dont care what their favourite team is or who they voted for but since this is a sex site it helps if they describe themselves accurately and honestly. It's not ideal but it does help to quickly establish shared expectations and limits. I guess we should set up an archive with all the informations of who people shagged for transparency then lol So you can check online if someone is truly straight or if he is bent because maybe when he was 14 something might have happened once. Tainted forever lol Your theory doesn’t make sense.. hence why sexuality is generally fluid, might not be for you. But it is for most. And why over simplifying by saying either straight, bi or gay is making things way too simple for such a complicated matter. By the way, for whatever reason guys always seem to get the end of the stick. With people like yourself pointing out and saying... well you can’t be REALLY straight if... (insert whatever excuse) Could be even something stupid like, if you double penetrated a woman and your cocks touched... I think it's fair to say we have totally different opinions on this topic and no possibility of a meeting of minds. I respect you have your take on this but I simply don't agree with it. Especially your speculative claim that sexuality is generally fluid for "most". Really? Even on the selective example of fab membership only that is a huge unverified leap. But I can understand why many bi guys want to believe it. I guess the only opinion share is the fact that many guys on this site who claim to be straight are actually secretly up for same sex fun. Yes for me the issue is actually quite clear simple and will remain so. At least I can have respect for guys who are honest enough to be open about being bi or gay. I am not so hardline as to believe that one confused fumble as a 14 year old defines a person as bi for life. However spoke recently to a guy who claimed to be straight but was verified by 16 tv's. He was furious at our suggestion he was bi. Hilarious. Only in the weird world of fab could this happen." Agree to disagree obviously, but this is coming from someone who identifies as a straight woman (trans) as I never really had an experience with a woman (go on I’m waiting for some of you to deny how i label myself!) . I’m primarily attracted to men. So I am on one side of the spectrum for sure rather than a bi side. Having said that, I still believe that lines might blur. I might end up being really attracted to a man who’s trans FTM.... so, will I start having a sexuality crisis? No I don’t think so. But that’s why I believe it isn’t as black and white as some might make it out to be. Luckily young people seem to be very laid back and less concerned about labels | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with. Labels help. If people are honest. I dont care what their favourite team is or who they voted for but since this is a sex site it helps if they describe themselves accurately and honestly. It's not ideal but it does help to quickly establish shared expectations and limits. I guess we should set up an archive with all the informations of who people shagged for transparency then lol So you can check online if someone is truly straight or if he is bent because maybe when he was 14 something might have happened once. Tainted forever lol Your theory doesn’t make sense.. hence why sexuality is generally fluid, might not be for you. But it is for most. And why over simplifying by saying either straight, bi or gay is making things way too simple for such a complicated matter. By the way, for whatever reason guys always seem to get the end of the stick. With people like yourself pointing out and saying... well you can’t be REALLY straight if... (insert whatever excuse) Could be even something stupid like, if you double penetrated a woman and your cocks touched... I think it's fair to say we have totally different opinions on this topic and no possibility of a meeting of minds. I respect you have your take on this but I simply don't agree with it. Especially your speculative claim that sexuality is generally fluid for "most". Really? Even on the selective example of fab membership only that is a huge unverified leap. But I can understand why many bi guys want to believe it. I guess the only opinion share is the fact that many guys on this site who claim to be straight are actually secretly up for same sex fun. Yes for me the issue is actually quite clear simple and will remain so. At least I can have respect for guys who are honest enough to be open about being bi or gay. I am not so hardline as to believe that one confused fumble as a 14 year old defines a person as bi for life. However spoke recently to a guy who claimed to be straight but was verified by 16 tv's. He was furious at our suggestion he was bi. Hilarious. Only in the weird world of fab could this happen. Agree to disagree obviously, but this is coming from someone who identifies as a straight woman (trans) as I never really had an experience with a woman (go on I’m waiting for some of you to deny how i label myself!) . I’m primarily attracted to men. So I am on one side of the spectrum for sure rather than a bi side. Having said that, I still believe that lines might blur. I might end up being really attracted to a man who’s trans FTM.... so, will I start having a sexuality crisis? No I don’t think so. But that’s why I believe it isn’t as black and white as some might make it out to be. Luckily young people seem to be very laid back and less concerned about labels "This is thankfully a free world and I absolutely respect your right to label yourself as you wish. I trust you will allow others the right to accept or not the way others choose to label themselves. Or is that asking too much? | |||
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" But also don’t you think it’s completely selfish from you to deny how somebody actually labels himself/herself? I think maybe you should ask directly and make sure that the person hasn’t had sex with anyone of the same sex . Ever. Then u will get your answer. Its a bit ridiculous that somebody has to change their labels whatever that might be (on how they identity primarily) so you got ur piece of mind. If it really bothers you, just ask... " And here we go. The exact problem this site has. I'm not denying anyone anything. They can label themselves however they see fit. It does not mean I want to meet and be intimate with those people. As for this whole "you need to ask their history" rubbish, no I don't. If you're straight, you're straight. If you're not and your lying that's on you, not me. I'm not the one being dishonest in that situation as I've been clear and upfront from word go and I have to take people at face value....but we don't meet single guys so it's not a major issue. And the best part of your comment, it's just the icing on the cake. You're telling me I'm "demanding" something for piece of mind and being ridiculous doing it? Of course I am. Dont be so bloody silly. We're on this site to find people who tick the exact boxes we want from a meet and not bi guys or bi guy couples. Why is that so hard for you to understand? No, whats truly ridiculous is you refuse to accept that you want what you want whilst dismissing what we want. Like I said, selfish! | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with. Labels help. If people are honest. I dont care what their favourite team is or who they voted for but since this is a sex site it helps if they describe themselves accurately and honestly. It's not ideal but it does help to quickly establish shared expectations and limits. I guess we should set up an archive with all the informations of who people shagged for transparency then lol So you can check online if someone is truly straight or if he is bent because maybe when he was 14 something might have happened once. Tainted forever lol Your theory doesn’t make sense.. hence why sexuality is generally fluid, might not be for you. But it is for most. And why over simplifying by saying either straight, bi or gay is making things way too simple for such a complicated matter. By the way, for whatever reason guys always seem to get the end of the stick. With people like yourself pointing out and saying... well you can’t be REALLY straight if... (insert whatever excuse) Could be even something stupid like, if you double penetrated a woman and your cocks touched... I think it's fair to say we have totally different opinions on this topic and no possibility of a meeting of minds. I respect you have your take on this but I simply don't agree with it. Especially your speculative claim that sexuality is generally fluid for "most". Really? Even on the selective example of fab membership only that is a huge unverified leap. But I can understand why many bi guys want to believe it. I guess the only opinion share is the fact that many guys on this site who claim to be straight are actually secretly up for same sex fun. Yes for me the issue is actually quite clear simple and will remain so. At least I can have respect for guys who are honest enough to be open about being bi or gay. I am not so hardline as to believe that one confused fumble as a 14 year old defines a person as bi for life. However spoke recently to a guy who claimed to be straight but was verified by 16 tv's. He was furious at our suggestion he was bi. Hilarious. Only in the weird world of fab could this happen. Agree to disagree obviously, but this is coming from someone who identifies as a straight woman (trans) as I never really had an experience with a woman (go on I’m waiting for some of you to deny how i label myself!) . I’m primarily attracted to men. So I am on one side of the spectrum for sure rather than a bi side. Having said that, I still believe that lines might blur. I might end up being really attracted to a man who’s trans FTM.... so, will I start having a sexuality crisis? No I don’t think so. But that’s why I believe it isn’t as black and white as some might make it out to be. Luckily young people seem to be very laid back and less concerned about labels "In my experience young people arent concerned with labels in that they accept who and what they are without an existential crisis as many on fab seem to have. Labels don’t define a person but they help as descriptors and micro labels help others to find community. It only seems to be on fab that I see obscuring tactics and descriptive semantics regarding sexuality. | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. Because to a straight person, there isn't a grey area, you can't understand how it's not some binary switch. Just like I can't quite understand how someone can be 100% straight, I accept that someone is because that is what they tell me, but I don't understand it. Maybe you could accept that although for your your sexuality is very easy to define being a very black and white straight person, that for others it's a lot more fluid or has shades and they don't quite feel one box of the other? You seem to think I can't accept that there is fluidity within the bi/gay community? I'm sure there is. The problem I have is being told no-one is 100% straight. There are. I don't have a problem with bi or gay, one person's sexuality is their own. It just seems that many of the bi/gay community, as you yourself said don't understand that some people are simply straight. They are the people that seem to have the problem, not those that are straight. But that isn't what you said at all! It is very simple. You're either straight or you aren't. The problem is that far too many guys can't accept their own sexuality for whatever reason. That is the biggest problem. They make excuses, like spectrum or shades just to make themselves feel better. I have the same lack of understanding for someone who is 100% gay, it's not that I don't believe they are, but in my personal lived experience, I can't comprehend it... Because I've never experienced it. " Well said, LadyJayne. Frenz, you seem to be expressing that men choose to call themselves "straight" to "feel better" - why would it make them feel better? What is "better" about heterosexuality? Someone else mentioned about men "feeling less guilty" when they see sexuality as a spectrum. Why should they feel guilty about their sexuality not being heteronormative? Personally, I have a lot of issues with this situation. I completely do not appreciate the pressure surrounding me - it would be fine if I were accepted as non-heteronormative and if other people of other genders were - but as a woman I seem to be expected to be bisexual and it is not OK, this particularly rankles when bisexual men are discriminated against because what it really comes down to is the heteronormative male gaze being the default option - if it is something a heterosexual man would enjoy (watching women being sexual with each other and men only being heterosexual) then it is "OK", otherwise it is "less", "not as good" or worse. This is not acceptable to me and I definitely judge people who write "no bisexual men" on their profiles. If you are a heterosexual couple setting up an MFM threesome, what the hell does it matter if the third man is bisexual or not?! You will do together what you have agreed to do and not anything else - unless what lies behind is the idea that bisexual men "cannot control themselves" around other men which is gross - sorry, not sorry - but it is a disgusting attitude and not acceptable. It is not "preference", it is prejudice. Too many men falling into a trap of lying about their sexuality are of course not helping at all. Lying always makes things worse. At the same time, it is understandable that people are struggling with the fear of not being accepted for who they are - it really is awful. I have no "preference" (I'm using this sarcastically now) for heterosexual men and bisexual or bicurious men are equally welcome to contact me however anyone who has a problem with bisexuality of men or is expressing an expectation for me to be bisexual because I am a woman, is definitely not welcome by me and I will judge them very harshly. | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. Because to a straight person, there isn't a grey area, you can't understand how it's not some binary switch. Just like I can't quite understand how someone can be 100% straight, I accept that someone is because that is what they tell me, but I don't understand it. Maybe you could accept that although for your your sexuality is very easy to define being a very black and white straight person, that for others it's a lot more fluid or has shades and they don't quite feel one box of the other? You seem to think I can't accept that there is fluidity within the bi/gay community? I'm sure there is. The problem I have is being told no-one is 100% straight. There are. I don't have a problem with bi or gay, one person's sexuality is their own. It just seems that many of the bi/gay community, as you yourself said don't understand that some people are simply straight. They are the people that seem to have the problem, not those that are straight. But that isn't what you said at all! It is very simple. You're either straight or you aren't. The problem is that far too many guys can't accept their own sexuality for whatever reason. That is the biggest problem. They make excuses, like spectrum or shades just to make themselves feel better. I have the same lack of understanding for someone who is 100% gay, it's not that I don't believe they are, but in my personal lived experience, I can't comprehend it... Because I've never experienced it. Well said, LadyJayne. Frenz, you seem to be expressing that men choose to call themselves "straight" to "feel better" - why would it make them feel better? What is "better" about heterosexuality? Someone else mentioned about men "feeling less guilty" when they see sexuality as a spectrum. Why should they feel guilty about their sexuality not being heteronormative? Personally, I have a lot of issues with this situation. I completely do not appreciate the pressure surrounding me - it would be fine if I were accepted as non-heteronormative and if other people of other genders were - but as a woman I seem to be expected to be bisexual and it is not OK, this particularly rankles when bisexual men are discriminated against because what it really comes down to is the heteronormative male gaze being the default option - if it is something a heterosexual man would enjoy (watching women being sexual with each other and men only being heterosexual) then it is "OK", otherwise it is "less", "not as good" or worse. This is not acceptable to me and I definitely judge people who write "no bisexual men" on their profiles. If you are a heterosexual couple setting up an MFM threesome, what the hell does it matter if the third man is bisexual or not?! You will do together what you have agreed to do and not anything else - unless what lies behind is the idea that bisexual men "cannot control themselves" around other men which is gross - sorry, not sorry - but it is a disgusting attitude and not acceptable. It is not "preference", it is prejudice. Too many men falling into a trap of lying about their sexuality are of course not helping at all. Lying always makes things worse. At the same time, it is understandable that people are struggling with the fear of not being accepted for who they are - it really is awful. I have no "preference" (I'm using this sarcastically now) for heterosexual men and bisexual or bicurious men are equally welcome to contact me however anyone who has a problem with bisexuality of men or is expressing an expectation for me to be bisexual because I am a woman, is definitely not welcome by me and I will judge them very harshly. " That is exactly my point and you've just made it for me. Why do they feel guilty about being bi? Surely, especially here on fab there is no need. The point I was trying to make, is this... there are no grey areas or shades of being straight. You are either straight or you aren't. Then you can have as many shades or spectrums as you wish. A straight man isn't interested in another man, whether he identifies as a woman, dresses as a woman, bi curious, orally bi, bi, etc, etc. It's not the fact that he is bi, it's the fact the bi community insist and we've seen it on this thread, that nobody is 100% straight. They are. I really don't care whether you identify as a Klingon, I and many others identify as straight. Not fab straight, but straight. It's almost becoming militant with some people that there are shades and spectrums of being straight. There truly aren't. | |||
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" The point I was trying to make, is this... there are no grey areas or shades of being straight. You are either straight or you aren't. Then you can have as many shades or spectrums as you wish. A straight man isn't interested in another man, whether he identifies as a woman, dresses as a woman, bi curious, orally bi, bi, etc, etc. It's not the fact that he is bi, it's the fact the bi community insist and we've seen it on this thread, that nobody is 100% straight. They are. I really don't care whether you identify as a Klingon, I and many others identify as straight. Not fab straight, but straight. It's almost becoming militant with some people that there are shades and spectrums of being straight. There truly aren't." One. One voice out of many saying that noone is 100% straight, and that's the one your focusing on. Plenty of people who don't identify as straight agree people can be happily at either end of the spectrum (actually I think of it as a triangle, with hetrosexuality at one point, homosexually at another and asexuality on the third...) But as a straight person, please listen when those who aren't straight say it's not a binary option for them and it's a spectrum, you might not be able to comprehend it, or accept it. Doesn't mean it isn't the case. And I say this as woman... Not a man. Open about my sexuality, not just on here, in life too... Not ashamed, I'm not hiding something or making myself feel better. My sexuality is not something that is binary,.or even fixed. | |||
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" The point I was trying to make, is this... there are no grey areas or shades of being straight. You are either straight or you aren't. Then you can have as many shades or spectrums as you wish. A straight man isn't interested in another man, whether he identifies as a woman, dresses as a woman, bi curious, orally bi, bi, etc, etc. It's not the fact that he is bi, it's the fact the bi community insist and we've seen it on this thread, that nobody is 100% straight. They are. I really don't care whether you identify as a Klingon, I and many others identify as straight. Not fab straight, but straight. It's almost becoming militant with some people that there are shades and spectrums of being straight. There truly aren't. One. One voice out of many saying that noone is 100% straight, and that's the one your focusing on. Plenty of people who don't identify as straight agree people can be happily at either end of the spectrum (actually I think of it as a triangle, with hetrosexuality at one point, homosexually at another and asexuality on the third...) But as a straight person, please listen when those who aren't straight say it's not a binary option for them and it's a spectrum, you might not be able to comprehend it, or accept it. Doesn't mean it isn't the case. And I say this as woman... Not a man. Open about my sexuality, not just on here, in life too... Not ashamed, I'm not hiding something or making myself feel better. My sexuality is not something that is binary,.or even fixed. " I think you are misreading what I am saying or I'm not getting it across very well, probably the latter. It's not about a straight man, me saying that for those who aren't straight saying there is a spectrum for those that aren't straight. I agree! What I am saying is, there is no spectrum of being straight. You either are or you aren't. | |||
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No Straight man will fuck another man, if they do, then they are two things! Firstly a liar, never a good thing on here and secondly bent as a nine bob note!
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"Most guys on here are ‘straight’. However I know some like fucking other guys. How can you tell? Asking for a friend "They send cock photos to your inbox. | |||
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"We're not young and we couldn't care less about labels - they're ten a penny these days. What we care about is honesty and if we say we only want to meet guys who are solely interested in women sexually then those who contact us should at least be telling the truth. What sort of people get off on misleading people into playing with them? It's disgusting." And why would a man have to be interested solely in women? If he is interested in other genders in general, it does not mean that he will be interested in the male partner of your couple. Do you mean to say that a bisexual or bi-curious man would contact you with an intention of misleading you both by showing interest in only the female partner but actually aiming to play with both of you? That he "can't control himself" or some such nonsence? Such attitude is really not OK. | |||
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"Nobody is 100% straight " Speak for yourself. I am only interested in x x chromosomes. It's this attitude why stupid people are asking if their husband can suck my dick. Fuck, no. Words have meaning, otherwise language does not exist. | |||
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"Most put up straight as they know if they put up bi, most women won't touch them. Agreed, I’m bisexual and don’t get a look from couples or women,,,, why is that ?" There are loads of couples profile specifically asking for bi guys | |||
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"Plenty of people a perfectly capable of having sex with someone they’re not attracted to. They can get off on the mechanical stimulation. What about the other way around, all the closeted gays throughout history who married and had families, are they not gay because they had sex with their opposite sex? Very well said hun and great point, it seems its double standards for women or the historical closeted gays, those gay men with families are called gay even if they've mostly slept with women their whole lives yet a man gets a bj of a tvs girl or indeed another guy and is 'tarnished' in the eyes of many and his status 'lowered' to bi or bicurious or even gay. Its so fu**ING stupid! A LOT of men (and I mean A LOT) have sex with men or TVS as a matter of convenience rather than because of sexual chemistry, and society needs to get over it and stop seeing that as some sort of weakness. There are plenty of points in history where it was perfectly acceptable and nobody batted an eye lid and in fact it was encouraged and often made the man more desirable to women as it displayed a certain freedom and sexurial virility. Can’t argue with any of this, look at the Romans... they were all hooking up without a care in the world" All this assume that people see a problem with men being bi. It's fucking 2021 and nobody cares. Many women will have sex with them and many will not. People should spend their time finding the ones who want them rather than moaning like some entitled brat about those who don't | |||
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"There is a certain time at night expecially at the weekend when my inbox seems to be filled by straight guys, seems like after a few beers any holes the goal xxx" Well if it makes any difference you look much more feminine than I do and I've been doing the female thing for 40 years. I don't see the men who contact you as honestly straight, but instead of any hole is a goal, maybe they are just showing that they have good taste. | |||
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"There shouldn't be a label if a straight guy wants to have some fun with a guy then so be it. Dont have to start saying hes this or that. Sex is to be enjoyed regardless who with. Labels help. If people are honest. I dont care what their favourite team is or who they voted for but since this is a sex site it helps if they describe themselves accurately and honestly. It's not ideal but it does help to quickly establish shared expectations and limits. I guess we should set up an archive with all the informations of who people shagged for transparency then lol So you can check online if someone is truly straight or if he is bent because maybe when he was 14 something might have happened once. Tainted forever lol Your theory doesn’t make sense.. hence why sexuality is generally fluid, might not be for you. But it is for most. And why over simplifying by saying either straight, bi or gay is making things way too simple for such a complicated matter. By the way, for whatever reason guys always seem to get the end of the stick. With people like yourself pointing out and saying... well you can’t be REALLY straight if... (insert whatever excuse) Could be even something stupid like, if you double penetrated a woman and your cocks touched... I think it's fair to say we have totally different opinions on this topic and no possibility of a meeting of minds. I respect you have your take on this but I simply don't agree with it. Especially your speculative claim that sexuality is generally fluid for "most". Really? Even on the selective example of fab membership only that is a huge unverified leap. But I can understand why many bi guys want to believe it. I guess the only opinion share is the fact that many guys on this site who claim to be straight are actually secretly up for same sex fun. Yes for me the issue is actually quite clear simple and will remain so. At least I can have respect for guys who are honest enough to be open about being bi or gay. I am not so hardline as to believe that one confused fumble as a 14 year old defines a person as bi for life. However spoke recently to a guy who claimed to be straight but was verified by 16 tv's. He was furious at our suggestion he was bi. Hilarious. Only in the weird world of fab could this happen. Agree to disagree obviously, but this is coming from someone who identifies as a straight woman (trans) as I never really had an experience with a woman (go on I’m waiting for some of you to deny how i label myself!) . I’m primarily attracted to men. So I am on one side of the spectrum for sure rather than a bi side. Having said that, I still believe that lines might blur. I might end up being really attracted to a man who’s trans FTM.... so, will I start having a sexuality crisis? No I don’t think so. But that’s why I believe it isn’t as black and white as some might make it out to be. Luckily young people seem to be very laid back and less concerned about labels
This is thankfully a free world and I absolutely respect your right to label yourself as you wish.
I trust you will allow others the right to accept or not the way others choose to label themselves.
Or is that asking too much?"To be fair I’d be pretty offended and I’d find it rude if you (or others for that matter) were starting to misgender me because you don’t accept how I present myself.. In case of gender, or if you kept going on about trying to deny my own sexuality and for example, saying that I’m just gay. In my face, of course.. | |||
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"The problem is that the words gay and straight assume a binary gender.But we know that’s not true. There’s a continuous spectrum. So the terms are outdated and meaningless. I get lots of approaches from people who say straight/no single men. You're correct. There is bi in the middle. Bi curious, orally bi etc. But that isn't a spectrum. If you're not straight say so. Simple really. I've said previously. Isn't it funny how no straight person says it's a spectrum or grey area. Ever. Because to a straight person, there isn't a grey area, you can't understand how it's not some binary switch. Just like I can't quite understand how someone can be 100% straight, I accept that someone is because that is what they tell me, but I don't understand it. Maybe you could accept that although for your your sexuality is very easy to define being a very black and white straight person, that for others it's a lot more fluid or has shades and they don't quite feel one box of the other? You seem to think I can't accept that there is fluidity within the bi/gay community? I'm sure there is. The problem I have is being told no-one is 100% straight. There are. I don't have a problem with bi or gay, one person's sexuality is their own. It just seems that many of the bi/gay community, as you yourself said don't understand that some people are simply straight. They are the people that seem to have the problem, not those that are straight. But that isn't what you said at all! It is very simple. You're either straight or you aren't. The problem is that far too many guys can't accept their own sexuality for whatever reason. That is the biggest problem. They make excuses, like spectrum or shades just to make themselves feel better. I have the same lack of understanding for someone who is 100% gay, it's not that I don't believe they are, but in my personal lived experience, I can't comprehend it... Because I've never experienced it. Well said, LadyJayne. Frenz, you seem to be expressing that men choose to call themselves "straight" to "feel better" - why would it make them feel better? What is "better" about heterosexuality? Someone else mentioned about men "feeling less guilty" when they see sexuality as a spectrum. Why should they feel guilty about their sexuality not being heteronormative? Personally, I have a lot of issues with this situation. I completely do not appreciate the pressure surrounding me - it would be fine if I were accepted as non-heteronormative and if other people of other genders were - but as a woman I seem to be expected to be bisexual and it is not OK, this particularly rankles when bisexual men are discriminated against because what it really comes down to is the heteronormative male gaze being the default option - if it is something a heterosexual man would enjoy (watching women being sexual with each other and men only being heterosexual) then it is "OK", otherwise it is "less", "not as good" or worse. This is not acceptable to me and I definitely judge people who write "no bisexual men" on their profiles. If you are a heterosexual couple setting up an MFM threesome, what the hell does it matter if the third man is bisexual or not?! You will do together what you have agreed to do and not anything else - unless what lies behind is the idea that bisexual men "cannot control themselves" around other men which is gross - sorry, not sorry - but it is a disgusting attitude and not acceptable. It is not "preference", it is prejudice. Too many men falling into a trap of lying about their sexuality are of course not helping at all. Lying always makes things worse. At the same time, it is understandable that people are struggling with the fear of not being accepted for who they are - it really is awful. I have no "preference" (I'm using this sarcastically now) for heterosexual men and bisexual or bicurious men are equally welcome to contact me however anyone who has a problem with bisexuality of men or is expressing an expectation for me to be bisexual because I am a woman, is definitely not welcome by me and I will judge them very harshly. " Absolutely agree, I feel bisexual men really get the worst end of the stick, for whatever reason. And in all fairness, if people talked about what they are looking for and what is okay to do, whether prior or during. It’d be much clearer. One person who might be bi-curious doesn’t necessarily mean he’s gonna want to bend over and take the guy in him, or vice versa. And if that’s the couples concern, then talk about it! Also the double standard as you said that for some people, girls are almost expected to be bisexual and that’s a bonus if they also fool around with other girls during a threesome or group scenario. Which is great if that’s what everyone likes. But why does it seem different? Hmmm makes me wonder … | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals."Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!) I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit. "Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman"Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol "You seem eager to take it - pun intended. I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
"Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body | |||
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No Straight man will fuck another man, if they do, then they are two things! Firstly a liar, never a good thing on here and secondly bent as a nine bob note! Spot on
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"Most guys on here are ‘straight’. However I know some like fucking other guys. How can you tell? Asking for a friend "So in old money, they are bi! | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body "I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
""No need to stoop that low"? This is really offensive and not OK. Also, if "words mean what we collectively agree that they mean" - remember that a big question has always been who gets to decide, who influences the "collective" decisions etc. Clinging onto dictionary definitions is a slippery slope, not least because language is alive and it changes constantly. I still remember when a person who contacted me and is now a friend had to look up "solicitude" which was one of the words I used. I thought it was apt and it is in the dictionary (I assume, I haven't checked) but he didn't know it because this word has become obsolete in the last couple of hundred years (the hazard of my reading too much Jane Austen I suppose!). I actually hope for the same to happen to "straight" as a description of heterosexuality, it always sounded odd and foolish to me, as silly as "on the square" to describe acceptable behaviour. Straight as opposed to what? Bent? Askew? Zigzag? How utterly ridiculous. I am not "straight" and I certainly do not feel like my sexuality is "askew" in any way, I am perfectly happy with it and it is a good as anyone else's, thank you very much! The sooner people accept the reality of there being many other people in this world who are different, the better. Different is not "worse" or "lesser", it is normal and it is OK. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
"No need to stoop that low"? This is really offensive and not OK. Also, if "words mean what we collectively agree that they mean" - remember that a big question has always been who gets to decide, who influences the "collective" decisions etc. Clinging onto dictionary definitions is a slippery slope, not least because language is alive and it changes constantly. I still remember when a person who contacted me and is now a friend had to look up "solicitude" which was one of the words I used. I thought it was apt and it is in the dictionary (I assume, I haven't checked) but he didn't know it because this word has become obsolete in the last couple of hundred years (the hazard of my reading too much Jane Austen I suppose!).
I actually hope for the same to happen to "straight" as a description of heterosexuality, it always sounded odd and foolish to me, as silly as "on the square" to describe acceptable behaviour. Straight as opposed to what? Bent? Askew? Zigzag? How utterly ridiculous. I am not "straight" and I certainly do not feel like my sexuality is "askew" in any way, I am perfectly happy with it and it is a good as anyone else's, thank you very much! The sooner people accept the reality of there being many other people in this world who are different, the better. Different is not "worse" or "lesser", it is normal and it is OK."I don't think anyone is objecting or I'm certainly not, how you view yourself, or how others do. Straight is a word used back in the 70's or maybe before to describe someone who wasn't gay. Usually by the gay community. So if you want an opposite then it's straight/gay. The shades are what is in between. No shades of straight or if you prefer heterosexuality or gay/homosexually. I can't see a gay man in a 3some scenario with a bi male and female wanting to fuck or give oral to the female. Of course I could be wrong. As you say, "I am happy with my sexuality". That's great. I'm happy with mine too. Which isn't bi or gay, even remotely. So let's agree everyone is different, but speaking as someone who is straight/hetero there aren't any shades within how I see myself. It is, if you think about it, almost hypocritical after having spent so many years trying to be recognised as such, the bi community doesn't seem to respect or recognise that others have the right to use the label, definition, description, word straight. As in, are not attracted to someone of the same sex, even if that person, well within their rights describes themselves or dresses as a female. | |||
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"It is, if you think about it, almost hypocritical after having spent so many years trying to be recognised as such, the bi community doesn't seem to respect or recognise that others have the right to use the label, definition, description, word straight. As in, are not attracted to someone of the same sex, even if that person, well within their rights describes themselves or dresses as a female." Its not hypocritical at all, it's not wanting their sexuality to still be referenced in the vernacular as something 'wrong'. After all the counter to straight was bent. Bent as an insulting term for being gay, (insulting as it also means not legitimate, or illegal or not right - I've had to clarify myself many times recently so excuse the over explanation). Of course, when we've had to fight for rights and acceptance all our lives, we are going to continue to feel uncomfortable using a term that reinforces everything we have been fighting against. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
"No need to stoop that low"? This is really offensive and not OK. Also, if "words mean what we collectively agree that they mean" - remember that a big question has always been who gets to decide, who influences the "collective" decisions etc. Clinging onto dictionary definitions is a slippery slope, not least because language is alive and it changes constantly. I still remember when a person who contacted me and is now a friend had to look up "solicitude" which was one of the words I used. I thought it was apt and it is in the dictionary (I assume, I haven't checked) but he didn't know it because this word has become obsolete in the last couple of hundred years (the hazard of my reading too much Jane Austen I suppose!).
I actually hope for the same to happen to "straight" as a description of heterosexuality, it always sounded odd and foolish to me, as silly as "on the square" to describe acceptable behaviour. Straight as opposed to what? Bent? Askew? Zigzag? How utterly ridiculous. I am not "straight" and I certainly do not feel like my sexuality is "askew" in any way, I am perfectly happy with it and it is a good as anyone else's, thank you very much! The sooner people accept the reality of there being many other people in this world who are different, the better. Different is not "worse" or "lesser", it is normal and it is OK.
I don't think anyone is objecting or I'm certainly not, how you view yourself, or how others do. Straight is a word used back in the 70's or maybe before to describe someone who wasn't gay. Usually by the gay community. So if you want an opposite then it's straight/gay. The shades are what is in between. No shades of straight or if you prefer heterosexuality or gay/homosexually. I can't see a gay man in a 3some scenario with a bi male and female wanting to fuck or give oral to the female. Of course I could be wrong. As you say, "I am happy with my sexuality". That's great. I'm happy with mine too. Which isn't bi or gay, even remotely. So let's agree everyone is different, but speaking as someone who is straight/hetero there aren't any shades within how I see myself.
It is, if you think about it, almost hypocritical after having spent so many years trying to be recognised as such, the bi community doesn't seem to respect or recognise that others have the right to use the label, definition, description, word straight. As in, are not attracted to someone of the same sex, even if that person, well within their rights describes themselves or dresses as a female."What this guy is saying is fair enough and well put, I totally hear you and see your point, I actually feel the same, I am not attracted to biological women, even if they transition to being a very convincing male complete with a dick that used to be their clitoris. It does nothing for me at all. I may meet a Female to male trans person and not realise at first and it's possible I might feel attraction it's yet to happen but in all honesty as soon as I knew the truth I'd prob be disinterested. Never say never but most likely that would be the case. Does that make me transphobic? Of course not! I'm just not attracted to trans people in general, both ways. I think that the point being made here is actually that fully straight or fully gay are minority groups and that the majority of the population fall into grey areas og bi-something yet for men who are atrracted to females and feminised makes the bisexual label doesn't work for them as they're not interested in men as men so the only other option to choose from and that feels comfortable is indeed straight. | |||
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"Most put up straight as they know if they put up bi, most women won't touch them. " --------- This is so true. A large percentage of Single females have Bi.Curious or Bi.sexual men blocked from contacting them. Even if they bat both ways themselves. So its OK for them!. But not ok for a man!. If the females were more accepting of a man's choice then I think the hidden men would come out. This is only IMPO of course. T. | |||
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"straight is a label, thats it. Sure theres straight men who have no inclination at all to be with or near a guy in a sexual capacity. But there's also straight men, who've dabbled, decided its not for them. Some straight men, who don't mind the physical act of some sexual activity with a man but theres no emotional connection. Other straight men are terrified to be labelled anything other than straight. It is what it is. Its whatever they feel comfortable with identifying with and nothing really to do with me. If I'm messaged by a guy on here 70% of the time that guy will identify as 'straight' on his profile. Sure I'll ask what that means to him. Whether I believe he fits the definition of straight or not I don't project onto him. " --------- 1st person to talk sence about this subject so far on here IMHO. 10 out of 10. T. | |||
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"Most guys on here are ‘straight’. However I know some like fucking other guys. How can you tell? Asking for a friend "Suppose if they yes or no ?? | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives bi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck This. Although transgender and transvestism (or cross dressing) are two very different things. The prejudice and stigma surrounding bisexual men is heartbreaking. The amount of women who "aren't attracted to bi-guys" but it's not homophobia (or biphobia) it's just a preference. Preference my arse. If the fact that someone you would otherwise be attracted to, is suddenly unattractive to you because they are bi... You need to take a long deep look inside and acknowledge, and work on, your issues with bi men. End rant.. Sorry Best response I’ve ever seen to this I’m bi-sexual & finally proud of my sexuality however , I’m not ‘out’ due to how it’s still seen by some in modern society " If you are not out then you are clearly not proud just another closet case. If you are proud who cares what others think. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
"No need to stoop that low"? This is really offensive and not OK. Also, if "words mean what we collectively agree that they mean" - remember that a big question has always been who gets to decide, who influences the "collective" decisions etc. Clinging onto dictionary definitions is a slippery slope, not least because language is alive and it changes constantly. I still remember when a person who contacted me and is now a friend had to look up "solicitude" which was one of the words I used. I thought it was apt and it is in the dictionary (I assume, I haven't checked) but he didn't know it because this word has become obsolete in the last couple of hundred years (the hazard of my reading too much Jane Austen I suppose!).
I actually hope for the same to happen to "straight" as a description of heterosexuality, it always sounded odd and foolish to me, as silly as "on the square" to describe acceptable behaviour. Straight as opposed to what? Bent? Askew? Zigzag? How utterly ridiculous. I am not "straight" and I certainly do not feel like my sexuality is "askew" in any way, I am perfectly happy with it and it is a good as anyone else's, thank you very much! The sooner people accept the reality of there being many other people in this world who are different, the better. Different is not "worse" or "lesser", it is normal and it is OK.
I don't think anyone is objecting or I'm certainly not, how you view yourself, or how others do. Straight is a word used back in the 70's or maybe before to describe someone who wasn't gay. Usually by the gay community. So if you want an opposite then it's straight/gay. The shades are what is in between. No shades of straight or if you prefer heterosexuality or gay/homosexually. I can't see a gay man in a 3some scenario with a bi male and female wanting to fuck or give oral to the female. Of course I could be wrong. As you say, "I am happy with my sexuality". That's great. I'm happy with mine too. Which isn't bi or gay, even remotely. So let's agree everyone is different, but speaking as someone who is straight/hetero there aren't any shades within how I see myself.
It is, if you think about it, almost hypocritical after having spent so many years trying to be recognised as such, the bi community doesn't seem to respect or recognise that others have the right to use the label, definition, description, word straight. As in, are not attracted to someone of the same sex, even if that person, well within their rights describes themselves or dresses as a female.
What this guy is saying is fair enough and well put, I totally hear you and see your point, I actually feel the same, I am not attracted to biological women, even if they transition to being a very convincing male complete with a dick that used to be their clitoris. It does nothing for me at all. I may meet a Female to male trans person and not realise at first and it's possible I might feel attraction it's yet to happen but in all honesty as soon as I knew the truth I'd prob be disinterested. Never say never but most likely that would be the case. Does that make me transphobic? Of course not! I'm just not attracted to trans people in general, both ways.
I think that the point being made here is actually that fully straight or fully gay are minority groups and that the majority of the population fall into grey areas og bi-something yet for men who are atrracted to females and feminised makes the bisexual label doesn't work for them as they're not interested in men as men so the only other option to choose from and that feels comfortable is indeed straight. "Thank you. I hope I'm not coming across as phobic or disrespectful as that's not my intention. I fully respect how others see themselves even if it's not how I would see them. It's no different to those in the kink community identifying as a furry. You could well be correct in that fully straight or fully gay are in the minority, there are an lot of couple profiles where the guy or female is bi, so I don't understand why guys seem to shy away from identifying as bi. Maybe it's just my area most couples seem to have a bi male. I'm sure they would prefer another bi male which is why I tend not to message them. Maybe there should be another 'label'! One that recognises men that are attracted to men that feminise themselves. But for me, that isn't straight. If straight is a minority then that should be respected as all minorities. | |||
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" Great post Op.. we are both bi..and a whole host of other I guess genders thrown into our kink play.. we swop genders and strap on play takes on a world of its own in our dynamic.. its all good fun.. just go with whatever feels right..life is literally too short.." -------- Yes good post O.P. It went viral lol. But we'll said above have fun and enjoy and relax more people thats what F.S should be about. ANYBODY FANCY A FUCK IM HORNY | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
"No need to stoop that low"? This is really offensive and not OK. Also, if "words mean what we collectively agree that they mean" - remember that a big question has always been who gets to decide, who influences the "collective" decisions etc. Clinging onto dictionary definitions is a slippery slope, not least because language is alive and it changes constantly. I still remember when a person who contacted me and is now a friend had to look up "solicitude" which was one of the words I used. I thought it was apt and it is in the dictionary (I assume, I haven't checked) but he didn't know it because this word has become obsolete in the last couple of hundred years (the hazard of my reading too much Jane Austen I suppose!).
I actually hope for the same to happen to "straight" as a description of heterosexuality, it always sounded odd and foolish to me, as silly as "on the square" to describe acceptable behaviour. Straight as opposed to what? Bent? Askew? Zigzag? How utterly ridiculous. I am not "straight" and I certainly do not feel like my sexuality is "askew" in any way, I am perfectly happy with it and it is a good as anyone else's, thank you very much! The sooner people accept the reality of there being many other people in this world who are different, the better. Different is not "worse" or "lesser", it is normal and it is OK.
I don't think anyone is objecting or I'm certainly not, how you view yourself, or how others do. Straight is a word used back in the 70's or maybe before to describe someone who wasn't gay. Usually by the gay community. So if you want an opposite then it's straight/gay. The shades are what is in between. No shades of straight or if you prefer heterosexuality or gay/homosexually. I can't see a gay man in a 3some scenario with a bi male and female wanting to fuck or give oral to the female. Of course I could be wrong. As you say, "I am happy with my sexuality". That's great. I'm happy with mine too. Which isn't bi or gay, even remotely. So let's agree everyone is different, but speaking as someone who is straight/hetero there aren't any shades within how I see myself.
It is, if you think about it, almost hypocritical after having spent so many years trying to be recognised as such, the bi community doesn't seem to respect or recognise that others have the right to use the label, definition, description, word straight. As in, are not attracted to someone of the same sex, even if that person, well within their rights describes themselves or dresses as a female.
What this guy is saying is fair enough and well put, I totally hear you and see your point, I actually feel the same, I am not attracted to biological women, even if they transition to being a very convincing male complete with a dick that used to be their clitoris. It does nothing for me at all. I may meet a Female to male trans person and not realise at first and it's possible I might feel attraction it's yet to happen but in all honesty as soon as I knew the truth I'd prob be disinterested. Never say never but most likely that would be the case. Does that make me transphobic? Of course not! I'm just not attracted to trans people in general, both ways.
I think that the point being made here is actually that fully straight or fully gay are minority groups and that the majority of the population fall into grey areas og bi-something yet for men who are atrracted to females and feminised makes the bisexual label doesn't work for them as they're not interested in men as men so the only other option to choose from and that feels comfortable is indeed straight.
Thank you.
I hope I'm not coming across as phobic or disrespectful as that's not my intention. I fully respect how others see themselves even if it's not how I would see them. It's no different to those in the kink community identifying as a furry.
You could well be correct in that fully straight or fully gay are in the minority, there are an lot of couple profiles where the guy or female is bi, so I don't understand why guys seem to shy away from identifying as bi. Maybe it's just my area most couples seem to have a bi male. I'm sure they would prefer another bi male which is why I tend not to message them.
Maybe there should be another 'label'! One that recognises men that are attracted to men that feminise themselves.
But for me, that isn't straight. If straight is a minority then that should be respected as all minorities. "Yes I agree, straight should be respected as a minority like any other (if that is the case) it really does seem like that, not just on here but in real life 50% of all men say yes to me when given the opportunity for a blowjob at least, the other 50% are mostly gay guys and straight guys or guys who don't fancy me but would go for it if I were more appealing to their tastes. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
"No need to stoop that low"? This is really offensive and not OK. Also, if "words mean what we collectively agree that they mean" - remember that a big question has always been who gets to decide, who influences the "collective" decisions etc. Clinging onto dictionary definitions is a slippery slope, not least because language is alive and it changes constantly. I still remember when a person who contacted me and is now a friend had to look up "solicitude" which was one of the words I used. I thought it was apt and it is in the dictionary (I assume, I haven't checked) but he didn't know it because this word has become obsolete in the last couple of hundred years (the hazard of my reading too much Jane Austen I suppose!).
I actually hope for the same to happen to "straight" as a description of heterosexuality, it always sounded odd and foolish to me, as silly as "on the square" to describe acceptable behaviour. Straight as opposed to what? Bent? Askew? Zigzag? How utterly ridiculous. I am not "straight" and I certainly do not feel like my sexuality is "askew" in any way, I am perfectly happy with it and it is a good as anyone else's, thank you very much! The sooner people accept the reality of there being many other people in this world who are different, the better. Different is not "worse" or "lesser", it is normal and it is OK.
I don't think anyone is objecting or I'm certainly not, how you view yourself, or how others do. Straight is a word used back in the 70's or maybe before to describe someone who wasn't gay. Usually by the gay community. So if you want an opposite then it's straight/gay. The shades are what is in between. No shades of straight or if you prefer heterosexuality or gay/homosexually. I can't see a gay man in a 3some scenario with a bi male and female wanting to fuck or give oral to the female. Of course I could be wrong. As you say, "I am happy with my sexuality". That's great. I'm happy with mine too. Which isn't bi or gay, even remotely. So let's agree everyone is different, but speaking as someone who is straight/hetero there aren't any shades within how I see myself.
It is, if you think about it, almost hypocritical after having spent so many years trying to be recognised as such, the bi community doesn't seem to respect or recognise that others have the right to use the label, definition, description, word straight. As in, are not attracted to someone of the same sex, even if that person, well within their rights describes themselves or dresses as a female.
What this guy is saying is fair enough and well put, I totally hear you and see your point, I actually feel the same, I am not attracted to biological women, even if they transition to being a very convincing male complete with a dick that used to be their clitoris. It does nothing for me at all. I may meet a Female to male trans person and not realise at first and it's possible I might feel attraction it's yet to happen but in all honesty as soon as I knew the truth I'd prob be disinterested. Never say never but most likely that would be the case. Does that make me transphobic? Of course not! I'm just not attracted to trans people in general, both ways.
I think that the point being made here is actually that fully straight or fully gay are minority groups and that the majority of the population fall into grey areas og bi-something yet for men who are atrracted to females and feminised makes the bisexual label doesn't work for them as they're not interested in men as men so the only other option to choose from and that feels comfortable is indeed straight.
Thank you.
I hope I'm not coming across as phobic or disrespectful as that's not my intention. I fully respect how others see themselves even if it's not how I would see them. It's no different to those in the kink community identifying as a furry.
You could well be correct in that fully straight or fully gay are in the minority, there are an lot of couple profiles where the guy or female is bi, so I don't understand why guys seem to shy away from identifying as bi. Maybe it's just my area most couples seem to have a bi male. I'm sure they would prefer another bi male which is why I tend not to message them.
Maybe there should be another 'label'! One that recognises men that are attracted to men that feminise themselves.
But for me, that isn't straight. If straight is a minority then that should be respected as all minorities.
Yes I agree, straight should be respected as a minority like any other (if that is the case) it really does seem like that, not just on here but in real life 50% of all men say yes to me when given the opportunity for a blowjob at least, the other 50% are mostly gay guys and straight guys or guys who don't fancy me but would go for it if I were more appealing to their tastes. "Hm, male heterosexuality as a minority - what a concept! It isn't a minority as far as overwhelmingly wide representation of heterosexual male gaze by default is - based on what we are surrounded by in the majority of various media forms... As to "it should be respected like other minorities" - are they exactly respected? I would argue not quite. Also, I still maintain my point that bisexuality does not mean that a bisexual male person is automatically attracted to the male partner in a couple and that it is a wrong assumption to make. A prejudiced and a disrespectful one in fact - but that's just my opinion. | |||
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"All the guys on here saying you can't be straight if you've ever had sex with anything other than a (non-trans) woman, because genitalia is presumably most important to them, would presumably have sex with a trans man who had a vagina.. Nope
Well if having sex with someone with a penis is gay, surely they'd also want to have sex with anyone with a vagina?
If not, I guess that suggests there's more to sexual attraction than genitals.
Well said. Why wouldn’t they want to have sex with a trans man with a vag? After all , he’s an got the actual DNA of a cisgender woman, even if he is a man. (I mean you got to look at some of the handsome FTM!!)
I mean for some here, I could go get 6 vaginas done and still be told I’m actually a he and everyone who sleeps with me and my 6 vaginas is in fact. A CLOSETED GAY DUDE. Lol
I love the theory of one of the women here who said sexuality is a triangle with the homosexuality, heterosexuality and a sexuality and some will be at the right edge of them identifying as totally one thing and unshiftable. While a lot arent as fixed so they shift a bit. Even if it’s only by a tiny bit.
Lots of men will rather fuck a transman with a vagina than a feminine transwoman
Take it you are one of them who have fucked or would Fuck a trans man then x maybe you actually like men more than you think lol
You seem eager to take it - pun intended.
I get enough pussy from women that I am attracted to so no need to stoop that low. But in the unlike scenario that I was desperate enough, any pussy would be preferable over a someone with the same chromosomes as me.
Again, over semplifying things to chromosomes now. Guess that’s what people are attracted to these days lol
U are very lucky u weren’t and never felt like u were born/trapped in the wrong body
I think you are reading too deeply and trying to parse views that I haven't expressed. How people feel and choose to live is their business. What interests me is logic, reason, facts and language. Words mean what we collectively agree that they mean, otherwise language is not a thing and dictionaries serve no purpose.
"No need to stoop that low"? This is really offensive and not OK. Also, if "words mean what we collectively agree that they mean" - remember that a big question has always been who gets to decide, who influences the "collective" decisions etc. Clinging onto dictionary definitions is a slippery slope, not least because language is alive and it changes constantly. I still remember when a person who contacted me and is now a friend had to look up "solicitude" which was one of the words I used. I thought it was apt and it is in the dictionary (I assume, I haven't checked) but he didn't know it because this word has become obsolete in the last couple of hundred years (the hazard of my reading too much Jane Austen I suppose!).
I actually hope for the same to happen to "straight" as a description of heterosexuality, it always sounded odd and foolish to me, as silly as "on the square" to describe acceptable behaviour. Straight as opposed to what? Bent? Askew? Zigzag? How utterly ridiculous. I am not "straight" and I certainly do not feel like my sexuality is "askew" in any way, I am perfectly happy with it and it is a good as anyone else's, thank you very much! The sooner people accept the reality of there being many other people in this world who are different, the better. Different is not "worse" or "lesser", it is normal and it is OK.
I don't think anyone is objecting or I'm certainly not, how you view yourself, or how others do. Straight is a word used back in the 70's or maybe before to describe someone who wasn't gay. Usually by the gay community. So if you want an opposite then it's straight/gay. The shades are what is in between. No shades of straight or if you prefer heterosexuality or gay/homosexually. I can't see a gay man in a 3some scenario with a bi male and female wanting to fuck or give oral to the female. Of course I could be wrong. As you say, "I am happy with my sexuality". That's great. I'm happy with mine too. Which isn't bi or gay, even remotely. So let's agree everyone is different, but speaking as someone who is straight/hetero there aren't any shades within how I see myself.
It is, if you think about it, almost hypocritical after having spent so many years trying to be recognised as such, the bi community doesn't seem to respect or recognise that others have the right to use the label, definition, description, word straight. As in, are not attracted to someone of the same sex, even if that person, well within their rights describes themselves or dresses as a female.
What this guy is saying is fair enough and well put, I totally hear you and see your point, I actually feel the same, I am not attracted to biological women, even if they transition to being a very convincing male complete with a dick that used to be their clitoris. It does nothing for me at all. I may meet a Female to male trans person and not realise at first and it's possible I might feel attraction it's yet to happen but in all honesty as soon as I knew the truth I'd prob be disinterested. Never say never but most likely that would be the case. Does that make me transphobic? Of course not! I'm just not attracted to trans people in general, both ways.
I think that the point being made here is actually that fully straight or fully gay are minority groups and that the majority of the population fall into grey areas og bi-something yet for men who are atrracted to females and feminised makes the bisexual label doesn't work for them as they're not interested in men as men so the only other option to choose from and that feels comfortable is indeed straight.
Thank you.
I hope I'm not coming across as phobic or disrespectful as that's not my intention. I fully respect how others see themselves even if it's not how I would see them. It's no different to those in the kink community identifying as a furry.
You could well be correct in that fully straight or fully gay are in the minority, there are an lot of couple profiles where the guy or female is bi, so I don't understand why guys seem to shy away from identifying as bi. Maybe it's just my area most couples seem to have a bi male. I'm sure they would prefer another bi male which is why I tend not to message them.
Maybe there should be another 'label'! One that recognises men that are attracted to men that feminise themselves.
But for me, that isn't straight. If straight is a minority then that should be respected as all minorities.
Yes I agree, straight should be respected as a minority like any other (if that is the case) it really does seem like that, not just on here but in real life 50% of all men say yes to me when given the opportunity for a blowjob at least, the other 50% are mostly gay guys and straight guys or guys who don't fancy me but would go for it if I were more appealing to their tastes.
Hm, male heterosexuality as a minority - what a concept! It isn't a minority as far as overwhelmingly wide representation of heterosexual male gaze by default is - based on what we are surrounded by in the majority of various media forms... As to "it should be respected like other minorities" - are they exactly respected? I would argue not quite.
Also, I still maintain my point that bisexuality does not mean that a bisexual male person is automatically attracted to the male partner in a couple and that it is a wrong assumption to make. A prejudiced and a disrespectful one in fact - but that's just my opinion. "I'm not sure anyone is saying that a bi male would only be attracted to the male in a couple, are they. Surely the definition of bi, is you are attracted to both male and female. Hence bi. | |||
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"Also, I still maintain my point that bisexuality does not mean that a bisexual male person is automatically attracted to the male partner in a couple and that it is a wrong assumption to make. A prejudiced and a disrespectful one in fact - but that's just my opinion. I'm not sure anyone is saying that a bi male would only be attracted to the male in a couple, are they. Surely the definition of bi, is you are attracted to both male and female. Hence bi." OR. The thing you seem to be miss understanding is that you can be attracted to men or women. Its not that your attracted to all men, or all women, only that you have the potential to be attracted to them. It is interesting to me that, some (and before any of you lose your shiz I said some... not all) of the men I have seen, (on many other threads) hate the fact another man might find them attractive and try to act on it. But they are men who would keep persuing a woman they find attractive because her noogjt not really mean no. As has been said (here or on another recent thread) Homophobia; the fear another man might treat you the way you treat a woman. And ffs do not get me started on straight being a minority. | |||
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"I've had sex with men who have actually told me they're straight as they only fuck women and T girls? Well as trans are officially classed as female then they have a point legally don’t they? And if we didn’t still live in a bullshit world that lives bi ladies but treats bi men as the scum of the earth we would have more people would be willing to admit who they wanted to fuck This. Although transgender and transvestism (or cross dressing) are two very different things. The prejudice and stigma surrounding bisexual men is heartbreaking. The amount of women who "aren't attracted to bi-guys" but it's not homophobia (or biphobia) it's just a preference. Preference my arse. If the fact that someone you would otherwise be attracted to, is suddenly unattractive to you because they are bi... You need to take a long deep look inside and acknowledge, and work on, your issues with bi men. End rant.. Sorry Best response I’ve ever seen to this I’m bi-sexual & finally proud of my sexuality however , I’m not ‘out’ due to how it’s still seen by some in modern society If you are not out then you are clearly not proud just another closet case. If you are proud who cares what others think." | |||
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"If they have a photograph, you can tell by their squiffy and shifty eyes!
No Straight man will fuck another man, if they do, then they are two things! Firstly a liar, never a good thing on here and secondly bent as a nine bob note!
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"Also, I still maintain my point that bisexuality does not mean that a bisexual male person is automatically attracted to the male partner in a couple and that it is a wrong assumption to make. A prejudiced and a disrespectful one in fact - but that's just my opinion. I'm not sure anyone is saying that a bi male would only be attracted to the male in a couple, are they. Surely the definition of bi, is you are attracted to both male and female. Hence bi. OR. The thing you seem to be miss understanding is that you can be attracted to men or women. Its not that your attracted to all men, or all women, only that you have the potential to be attracted to them. It is interesting to me that, some (and before any of you lose your shiz I said some... not all) of the men I have seen, (on many other threads) hate the fact another man might find them attractive and try to act on it. But they are men who would keep persuing a woman they find attractive because her noogjt not really mean no. As has been said (here or on another recent thread) Homophobia; the fear another man might treat you the way you treat a woman. And ffs do not get me started on straight being a minority. " I suspect straight on here, given many of the couples I look at, the forums etc straight may well be a minority. I do wonder about your argument though. I don't quite understand it. I certainly don't fancy every woman I see and I only expect a small minority, tiny minority to find me attractive, if any do. Surely if you are bi, you are attracted to both men and women. Not all men and women, just those that, as a bi, you are attracted to. I'm not sure why you are under the impression that others think a bi male is attracted to all men or bi women are attracted to all women? It seems obvious that they wouldn't be. Why do you keep bringing homophobia into the discussion? With the exception of possibly one person who probably couldn't express themselves succinctly I see no real mention of it? | |||
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"Im a single guy and for me i dont fancy guys and wouldnt want to kiss or cuddlw for example. However since joining fab and when no fems or cpls meeting and feeling really horny a local guy offered his mouth and i did it and enjoyed it, so have since met others a few times when in the same situation as its horny at the time having someone worship your cock and give a good bj. If i have fems or cpls to meet then id not be interested. Not sure or care what label that would be lol" You are a bi sexual | |||
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"Also, I still maintain my point that bisexuality does not mean that a bisexual male person is automatically attracted to the male partner in a couple and that it is a wrong assumption to make. A prejudiced and a disrespectful one in fact - but that's just my opinion. I'm not sure anyone is saying that a bi male would only be attracted to the male in a couple, are they. Surely the definition of bi, is you are attracted to both male and female. Hence bi. OR. The thing you seem to be miss understanding is that you can be attracted to men or women. Its not that your attracted to all men, or all women, only that you have the potential to be attracted to them. It is interesting to me that, some (and before any of you lose your shiz I said some... not all) of the men I have seen, (on many other threads) hate the fact another man might find them attractive and try to act on it. But they are men who would keep persuing a woman they find attractive because her noogjt not really mean no. As has been said (here or on another recent thread) Homophobia; the fear another man might treat you the way you treat a woman. And ffs do not get me started on straight being a minority. I suspect straight on here, given many of the couples I look at, the forums etc straight may well be a minority. I do wonder about your argument though. I don't quite understand it. I certainly don't fancy every woman I see and I only expect a small minority, tiny minority to find me attractive, if any do. Surely if you are bi, you are attracted to both men and women. Not all men and women, just those that, as a bi, you are attracted to. I'm not sure why you are under the impression that others think a bi male is attracted to all men or bi women are attracted to all women? It seems obvious that they wouldn't be. Why do you keep bringing homophobia into the discussion? With the exception of possibly one person who probably couldn't express themselves succinctly I see no real mention of it? " I believe your question is to LadyJayne but I made a similar point to hers because you stated that you would be interested in interacting with female and male couple whose male half is bisexual. The fact that he is bisexual does not mean that he will automatically be interested in sexual interactions with you but you assume that he would. This is what I personally by prejudice - making an assumption automatically. Surely it can be established by asking and actually confirming what the parties are interested in rather than assuming in advance. | |||
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"Im a single guy and for me i dont fancy guys and wouldnt want to kiss or cuddlw for example. However since joining fab and when no fems or cpls meeting and feeling really horny a local guy offered his mouth and i did it and enjoyed it, so have since met others a few times when in the same situation as its horny at the time having someone worship your cock and give a good bj. If i have fems or cpls to meet then id not be interested. Not sure or care what label that would be lol" meagain1974, It is interesting how human sexuality and interests work and the element of perceived necessity and opportunity - I can well understand what you mean. For example, my foot fetish has been dormant for years until I had an opportunity to explore it and to also realise that it is one of the safest ways for me to play with strangers at clubs - so in a way it is what is "available" to me or rather what I can choose without fear. | |||
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"Im a single guy and for me i dont fancy guys and wouldnt want to kiss or cuddlw for example. However since joining fab and when no fems or cpls meeting and feeling really horny a local guy offered his mouth and i did it and enjoyed it, so have since met others a few times when in the same situation as its horny at the time having someone worship your cock and give a good bj. If i have fems or cpls to meet then id not be interested. Not sure or care what label that would be lol meagain1974, It is interesting how human sexuality and interests work and the element of perceived necessity and opportunity - I can well understand what you mean. For example, my foot fetish has been dormant for years until I had an opportunity to explore it and to also realise that it is one of the safest ways for me to play with strangers at clubs - so in a way it is what is "available" to me or rather what I can choose without fear." Yes totally get your point and availibilty is very much why i would have any guy meets and even then i have to really be in the mood and at that moment and only to receive, where as female or couple meets i could plan and look forward to, love kissing etc with them too, so totally different dynamic for me. | |||
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"Also, I still maintain my point that bisexuality does not mean that a bisexual male person is automatically attracted to the male partner in a couple and that it is a wrong assumption to make. A prejudiced and a disrespectful one in fact - but that's just my opinion. I'm not sure anyone is saying that a bi male would only be attracted to the male in a couple, are they. Surely the definition of bi, is you are attracted to both male and female. Hence bi. OR. The thing you seem to be miss understanding is that you can be attracted to men or women. Its not that your attracted to all men, or all women, only that you have the potential to be attracted to them. It is interesting to me that, some (and before any of you lose your shiz I said some... not all) of the men I have seen, (on many other threads) hate the fact another man might find them attractive and try to act on it. But they are men who would keep persuing a woman they find attractive because her noogjt not really mean no. As has been said (here or on another recent thread) Homophobia; the fear another man might treat you the way you treat a woman. And ffs do not get me started on straight being a minority. I suspect straight on here, given many of the couples I look at, the forums etc straight may well be a minority. I do wonder about your argument though. I don't quite understand it. I certainly don't fancy every woman I see and I only expect a small minority, tiny minority to find me attractive, if any do. Surely if you are bi, you are attracted to both men and women. Not all men and women, just those that, as a bi, you are attracted to. I'm not sure why you are under the impression that others think a bi male is attracted to all men or bi women are attracted to all women? It seems obvious that they wouldn't be. Why do you keep bringing homophobia into the discussion? With the exception of possibly one person who probably couldn't express themselves succinctly I see no real mention of it? I believe your question is to LadyJayne but I made a similar point to hers because you stated that you would be interested in interacting with female and male couple whose male half is bisexual. The fact that he is bisexual does not mean that he will automatically be interested in sexual interactions with you but you assume that he would. This is what I personally by prejudice - making an assumption automatically. Surely it can be established by asking and actually confirming what the parties are interested in rather than assuming in advance. " This ^^ Although I do wish it was easier to break down quote replies on here. As for why I keep bringing up homophobia... Because so many replays are homophobic. You 'see no real mention of it'... True. But not once iny life has someone A) announced they were going to say something homophobic And B) realised / admitted or generally even accepted that what they said was homophobic. | |||
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