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"I do enjoy getting out and about and have found a few gay saunas do many straight men go? " It's only gay if you swallow | |||
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"My first time in a gay sauna... I got undressed, put the towel round me, went into the steam room and sat down Two guys in there started to 'get it on', I left It wasn't for me at that time, it was a step too far It did, however, give me an insight into the dynamic of the place, how it works and, moreover, showed me that I did have the strength to act on my curiosity When they do open, go You don't need to do anything, just see what goes on, who goes in. If someone touches you and you don't want the attention, just brush their hand away, if they do it again, tell em to do one If nothing else, it's that first step into the unknown " I find this funny given your username is Bussy. I’m immature, I know. | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! " So the minute you walk into a gay sauna you’re gay. I suppose the minute I sit in a lorry I’m a lorry driver brum brum | |||
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"I do enjoy getting out and about and have found a few gay saunas do many straight men go? " Do many vegetarians go to McDonald's? | |||
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"McDonald's do veggie burgers. Lol" Without wishing to be rude, and stretching the metaphor to breaking point... If a vegetarian eats something that is presented as if it were a meat product... Just as sex is not compulsory in a sauna, you don't have to eat meat in McDonald's. But isn't it the reason most customers go there? | |||
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"We frequently discuss what the inside of a gay sauna looks like. Is it actually a sauna. Personally I don't like getting hot and sweaty anyway so can't quite make the connection between a steam room and sex, YMMV. " I've never been to one, but presumably it is a plausible reason for men to be naked together. Like "massage" is a code for sex-work. (Which annoys my friend, who is an actual massage therapist (sports, reiki etc)) | |||
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"Fab really is the mothership of denial sometimes " Totally true. Lol Some guys also get very prickly if this denial is challenged. | |||
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"We frequently discuss what the inside of a gay sauna looks like. Is it actually a sauna. Personally I don't like getting hot and sweaty anyway so can't quite make the connection between a steam room and sex, YMMV. I've never been to one, but presumably it is a plausible reason for men to be naked together. Like "massage" is a code for sex-work. (Which annoys my friend, who is an actual massage therapist (sports, reiki etc))" Yep I'm sure that's the history of it going back to when homosexuality was illegal, but now theres no need for it to be a sauna couldnt it be a concept brought a bit more upto date. As I say, if I was gay, I wouldn't want to meet in a sauna because I don't like getting hot and sweaty. | |||
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"Why is everyone so hung up about labels ? I enjoy fucking a nice pussy, but I’ve been to a few gay saunas where a guy has sucked me off and enjoyed my load. I just enjoy sex and it’s good to mix it up at times." It’s not about labels it’s about honesty .... if a man has straight on his profile and professes to be straight while having sex with men- what else does he lie about? Truth and honesty is important to me as I’m sure it is to others ... I don’t care what genitalia a person has if you fancy them go for it but lying about it is a big no no for potential friends of mine x | |||
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"Why is everyone so hung up about labels ? I enjoy fucking a nice pussy, but I’ve been to a few gay saunas where a guy has sucked me off and enjoyed my load. I just enjoy sex and it’s good to mix it up at times. It’s not about labels it’s about honesty .... if a man has straight on his profile and professes to be straight while having sex with men- what else does he lie about? Truth and honesty is important to me as I’m sure it is to others ... I don’t care what genitalia a person has if you fancy them go for it but lying about it is a big no no for potential friends of mine x" I second that. Well said. | |||
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"I do enjoy getting out and about and have found a few gay saunas do many straight men go? " I'm gonna check one out | |||
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"I wonder how many 100's of years it will take society to realise that sexuality labels don't really exist. I believe that humanity is majority bisexual. Another words we can have sex with anyone with no labels. It suits society to put everyone in a box. Marriage, religion, and discrimination is what makes society majority straight. " I think Northern Europe is particularly bad - I’ve lived in Italy and Spain and guys are a bit more relaxed about sexuality there. | |||
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"I wonder how many 100's of years it will take society to realise that sexuality labels don't really exist. I believe that humanity is majority bisexual. Another words we can have sex with anyone with no labels. It suits society to put everyone in a box. Marriage, religion, and discrimination is what makes society majority straight. " I don't think anyone disputes that there are many types of sexualities, but they are labelled and are done so for a reason. I disagree that the majority of humanity is bisexual, I also disagree that the societal reasons are the reasons that make you straight. I do agree that those same societal reasons are the reasons people don't admit to themselves and others that they are bisexual or gay. But that is a problem, mainly for those that feel they can't admit it. Which in this day and age and especially on fab is quite sad. I find your argument is always argued by those that are bi. You never find straight people, saying that sexuality is all _hades of grey. It isn't, but probably is for those that are bi or bi curious. But no grey areas for those that are straight. | |||
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"I don’t think this is the case, I think there are a lot More bisexuals than would like to admit it and that’s fine. But I’m not sure if that would be the majority. Nothing wrong with enjoying the same sex but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people who suggest that bi is the majority are looking to justify their own feelings by stating it’s the norm. When really we should be saying it is normal and is ok even if it’s not for everyone " I think a lot of men suppress that aspect of their sexuality because of social pressure even in the 21st century. In some circles it’s almost fashionable to be bisexual but if you’re from a working class background it’s much more difficult in my opinion. | |||
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"I wonder how many 100's of years it will take society to realise that sexuality labels don't really exist. I believe that humanity is majority bisexual. Another words we can have sex with anyone with no labels. It suits society to put everyone in a box. Marriage, religion, and discrimination is what makes society majority straight. " Of course you have perfect right an opinion but there is virtually nothing you say that I agree with. Most guys being straight has absolutely nothing to do with societal or religious pressure. They are just straight because they are. Equally labels do matter and indeed are helpful. Otherwise why put them on the outside of a tin of beans? Or are you trying to argue they don't count for anything in the sexual arena? Once again we must agree to differ. | |||
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"We were once working on a stretch of the M6 all night and decided to go for a sauna before the weekend,ended up unknowingly in a sauna for gay and straight people people,needless to say we didnt stop long." Then I think one of your workmates knew exactly what it was beforehand.... | |||
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"I wonder how many 100's of years it will take society to realise that sexuality labels don't really exist. I believe that humanity is majority bisexual. Another words we can have sex with anyone with no labels. It suits society to put everyone in a box. Marriage, religion, and discrimination is what makes society majority straight. Of course you have perfect right an opinion but there is virtually nothing you say that I agree with. Most guys being straight has absolutely nothing to do with societal or religious pressure. They are just straight because they are. Equally labels do matter and indeed are helpful. Otherwise why put them on the outside of a tin of beans? Or are you trying to argue they don't count for anything in the sexual arena? Once again we must agree to differ." We label things because we need to be able to differentiate things. So if you fancy a boiled sweet you don’t accidentally pop corned beef in your mouth. Labels help explicit selection it’s the way we have as a civilisation of allowing us to select our preferences. An individual may not like the labelling process but the rest of society needs to be able to categorise them. | |||
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"Why is everyone so hung up about labels ? I enjoy fucking a nice pussy, but I’ve been to a few gay saunas where a guy has sucked me off and enjoyed my load. I just enjoy sex and it’s good to mix it up at times." Totally agree. People seen to have a very back abs white view of sexuality and orientation. OP if you want to go, then go (once they open). Don’t get too hung up on labels. So long as what you do is with a consenting adult, then who cares? What I would say is that gay saunas are dying. They are not what they were 15/ 20 years ago. And it tends to be mostly older married men who go. (At least that’s my experience) Best of luck. | |||
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"I wonder how many 100's of years it will take society to realise that sexuality labels don't really exist. I believe that humanity is majority bisexual. Another words we can have sex with anyone with no labels. It suits society to put everyone in a box. Marriage, religion, and discrimination is what makes society majority straight. " 100% agree | |||
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"Why is everyone so hung up about labels ? I enjoy fucking a nice pussy, but I’ve been to a few gay saunas where a guy has sucked me off and enjoyed my load. I just enjoy sex and it’s good to mix it up at times. Totally agree. People seen to have a very back abs white view of sexuality and orientation. OP if you want to go, then go (once they open). Don’t get too hung up on labels. So long as what you do is with a consenting adult, then who cares? What I would say is that gay saunas are dying. They are not what they were 15/ 20 years ago. And it tends to be mostly older married men who go. (At least that’s my experience) Best of luck. " I guess you will accept the label of “consenting adult” then No one is saying that people can’t be bi or gay but we need to be able to differentiate cos other wise how do we make the selection. It’s one of the reasons gay saunas exist, or gay bars for that matter. The assumption is that anyone in there is up for it. So you should know that if your straight and expect sexual advances, unless your ugly like me | |||
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"The 'gay' saunas would close if the 'straight' guys didn't go. " 100% agree | |||
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"It's only gay if you swallow " This ^^ and kissing too xx | |||
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"Sometimes you can’t move for straight men in a gay sauna. All welcome, a bad attitude is not." Straight? Yea. Of course they are. | |||
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"Sometimes you can’t move for straight men in a gay sauna. All welcome, a bad attitude is not. Straight? Yea. Of course they are. " That’s what they say. Who am I or you to judge? | |||
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"I wonder how many 100's of years it will take society to realise that sexuality labels don't really exist. I believe that humanity is majority bisexual. Another words we can have sex with anyone with no labels. It suits society to put everyone in a box. Marriage, religion, and discrimination is what makes society majority straight. " I hate it when supermarkets label tins. Maybe it's baked beans, maybe it's soup, but people shouldn't discriminate, it's all food. Seriously, you are confusing a label, which is useful in providing information, with being prejudiced against a group. If a man self-describes as straight, I'll believe him. But if a straight man is looking to have sex with other men, he should think about changing his label. Unless he is deliberately misrepresenting himself as straight, to deceive people. As sadly many are | |||
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"Why would they? " For fun | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!!" Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. | |||
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"I wonder how many 100's of years it will take society to realise that sexuality labels don't really exist. I believe that humanity is majority bisexual. Another words we can have sex with anyone with no labels. It suits society to put everyone in a box. Marriage, religion, and discrimination is what makes society majority straight. I hate it when supermarkets label tins. Maybe it's baked beans, maybe it's soup, but people shouldn't discriminate, it's all food. Seriously, you are confusing a label, which is useful in providing information, with being prejudiced against a group. If a man self-describes as straight, I'll believe him. But if a straight man is looking to have sex with other men, he should think about changing his label. Unless he is deliberately misrepresenting himself as straight, to deceive people. As sadly many are " My point exactly. Don't look at this on an individual basis, but at a societal level. Imagine how different the world would be if everyone could be open about their sexuality. | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! " If a gay or bi man goes to a straight swingers club, is he straight? | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! If a gay or bi man goes to a straight swingers club, is he straight? " No such thing as a straight swingers club, as that chap in the Glory hole discovered a couple of weeks ago. | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. " The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves." Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. " But surely that makes them bi at the very least? | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? " Precisely millions of people. | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves." The Op actually asked a question. You and a few others on here seem to be more interested in the sex part | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? Precisely millions of people. " Worldwide I wouldn't disagree. In this country I doubt very much it runs into millions. | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! So the minute you walk into a gay sauna you’re gay. I suppose the minute I sit in a lorry I’m a lorry driver brum brum " Love it, nice response. We liked the guy who said "I'm perfectly straight"....well, we are "perfectly bi", so ner | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? Precisely millions of people. Worldwide I wouldn't disagree. In this country I doubt very much it runs into millions." Having seen both sides fabswingers and fabguys and having been to gay saunas, Naturist clubs and swinging clubs. It's just so clear. I believe there are millions of bi men and women in this country. | |||
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"Is an oxymoron ?" Is a gay person in a straight sauna an oxymoron? Nope. So the same applies. | |||
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"Is an oxymoron ?" I think I meet him once. | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? Precisely millions of people. Worldwide I wouldn't disagree. In this country I doubt very much it runs into millions. Having seen both sides fabswingers and fabguys and having been to gay saunas, Naturist clubs and swinging clubs. It's just so clear. I believe there are millions of bi men and women in this country. " Again I don't disagree with you, I'm sure there are. Many of the females on here seem to be bi and probably as many men, you see many in the couples profiles that are. I just don't agree with your sweeping statement that millions of married men want cock. If there are, why hide behind the straight label, when they so obviously aren't. It's not a problem for those that are straight, just a problem for those that can't admit it. | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! " There are lots of basically heterosexual men who have curiosities. It doesn’t mean they have to leap to a whole new sexual identity. Wouldn’t it be better and happier - for everyone - if men across the board could explore anything they chose without this kind of inane “Gotcha!” | |||
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"I guess from my point of view, why would a straight man want to visit a gay sauna?? Go to the local David Lloyd or hotel sauna. Specifically seeking out a sauna for gay people means you might not be straight haha!" Haha! Gotcha! This kind of attitude does no one any good. | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? Precisely millions of people. Worldwide I wouldn't disagree. In this country I doubt very much it runs into millions. Having seen both sides fabswingers and fabguys and having been to gay saunas, Naturist clubs and swinging clubs. It's just so clear. I believe there are millions of bi men and women in this country. Again I don't disagree with you, I'm sure there are. Many of the females on here seem to be bi and probably as many men, you see many in the couples profiles that are. I just don't agree with your sweeping statement that millions of married men want cock. If there are, why hide behind the straight label, when they so obviously aren't. It's not a problem for those that are straight, just a problem for those that can't admit it." Seems like we are going in circles. As I said previously societal pressure, marriage, religion, discrimination, not wanting to divorce, money, children, "straight conventional society" | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? Precisely millions of people. Worldwide I wouldn't disagree. In this country I doubt very much it runs into millions. Having seen both sides fabswingers and fabguys and having been to gay saunas, Naturist clubs and swinging clubs. It's just so clear. I believe there are millions of bi men and women in this country. Again I don't disagree with you, I'm sure there are. Many of the females on here seem to be bi and probably as many men, you see many in the couples profiles that are. I just don't agree with your sweeping statement that millions of married men want cock. If there are, why hide behind the straight label, when they so obviously aren't. It's not a problem for those that are straight, just a problem for those that can't admit it. Seems like we are going in circles. As I said previously societal pressure, marriage, religion, discrimination, not wanting to divorce, money, children, "straight conventional society" " Absolutely. Men face pressures to appear straight at all times and this idea that they are hiding or just can’t admit it puts the blame onto the men themselves for this. But yah! Gotcha! | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? Precisely millions of people. Worldwide I wouldn't disagree. In this country I doubt very much it runs into millions. Having seen both sides fabswingers and fabguys and having been to gay saunas, Naturist clubs and swinging clubs. It's just so clear. I believe there are millions of bi men and women in this country. Again I don't disagree with you, I'm sure there are. Many of the females on here seem to be bi and probably as many men, you see many in the couples profiles that are. I just don't agree with your sweeping statement that millions of married men want cock. If there are, why hide behind the straight label, when they so obviously aren't. It's not a problem for those that are straight, just a problem for those that can't admit it. Seems like we are going in circles. As I said previously societal pressure, marriage, religion, discrimination, not wanting to divorce, money, children, "straight conventional society" " Definitely circles. All of the above are reasons for not admitting they are bi. Certainly not reasons for being straight, which is where we came in. I guess we can agree to disagree, which is what a discussion can be about. | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! So the minute you walk into a gay sauna you’re gay. I suppose the minute I sit in a lorry I’m a lorry driver brum brum Love it, nice response. We liked the guy who said "I'm perfectly straight"....well, we are "perfectly bi", so ner " The moment you walk into a shop and start browsing, you are a potential customer (or buy-curious). But if I saw someone sitting in a driving seat of a truck, I'd assume that they were a truck driver, even if the engine wasn't running. Also as someone who has a cat C driving license (unarticulated HGV) am I a truck driver, even if I haven't driven one recently? | |||
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"Try it? What’s the worst that can happen? You see a few cocks. Doesn’t automatically make you gay, bi or anything else - it just means you’ve seen a few cocks. I wouldn’t have a problem going in one and I’m perfectly straight. Indeed we’ve been in them as a couple. You can’t catch being gay....." Brilliant | |||
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"Just dont get why a straight man would have any interest in a gay sauna!! Begs the question are you straight.!! Every time I see a straight guy comment on a thread about gay subjects I always question their sexuality. As it ‘begs the question’ why did you see gay sauna and think, that’s interesting I’ll take a look. The topic was about straight men going into a gay sauna. They don't. It seems the bi community have a problem with those of us are straight. All this rubbish about straight men sucking cock or playing with cock, they don't. Bi or more to the point bi curious will. I don't think it's a problem with those that are bi curious, just the fact many of them seem not to admit it, to themselves or others. There are no grey areas, shades or spectrums of being straight. Your either straight or not. There does seem to be various spectrums of being bi. Bi curious, orally bi, etc. If you are curious, what's the problem with admitting it? This seems to be where the confusion comes in. For whatever reason people cannot admit it, least of all to themselves. Problem is nobody knows how many (millions I think) married men like cock. But surely that makes them bi at the very least? " Do you think they are allowed to change? Over time? | |||
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"I do enjoy getting out and about and have found a few gay saunas do many straight men go? " You know what they say John, suck one cock get labelled “cocksucker” | |||
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"We frequently discuss what the inside of a gay sauna looks like. Is it actually a sauna. Personally I don't like getting hot and sweaty anyway so can't quite make the connection between a steam room and sex, YMMV. I've never been to one, but presumably it is a plausible reason for men to be naked together. Like "massage" is a code for sex-work. (Which annoys my friend, who is an actual massage therapist (sports, reiki etc))" The use of 'massage therapist' as a euphemism for sex annoys me too. Same as if someone's a nurse. Some people get confused and make things uncomfortable for the person doing their job. Yes, I'm one of the above. As for the 'gay' sauna. No problem if it's just a sauna. But I think you're suggesting it exists for men to have sex. In which case I'm not sure why a genuinely straight guy would go? | |||
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"The 'gay' saunas would close if the 'straight' guys didn't go. " More like the married guys it would close | |||
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"Are there just women gay saunas" It’s called the WI in August | |||
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"Are there just women gay saunas" I have never heard of or seen one so I could not tell you. | |||
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"I guess from my point of view, why would a straight man want to visit a gay sauna?? Go to the local David Lloyd or hotel sauna. Specifically seeking out a sauna for gay people means you might not be straight haha!" Maybe the location, opening hours, price, convenience etc? Straight, bi and gay people are friends with each other. Ghettos are something from a bygone age. So called gay bars have bi, gay and straight people in them - many of us here visit them for a good night out, that's inclusive. A lot of women feel more comfortable surrounded by mostly gay men in a pub ir club, as we're not hassled in the same way as other places. Facilities and convenience are probably important to most people and no always means no, whether in the swinging or bi/gay world. | |||
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"Are there just women gay saunas" The Turkish communities have hammams. Sauna spas with an old world approach, different to the western gay scene. They have lady days. They have men days. | |||
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"Anyone who goes to Bristol Gardens Health Spa here in Brighton knows that all the men are straight while there are women about and they're hopeful. But when those women disappear many of them seem to come out as bi..." That's what I've seen at most clubs. Eureka, kestrels. When there are no or few women about the men play with each other. | |||
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"I do enjoy getting out and about and have found a few gay saunas do many straight men go? " I have no idea...but get your self in there...you may just enjoy it...and maybe discover your more than 'straight'... | |||
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"I do enjoy getting out and about and have found a few gay saunas do many straight men go? Do many vegetarians go to McDonald's? Must do ..no chicken in their food..lol " | |||
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"I've been to couple, basically because I'm a naturist who likes to go to spas naked. That's perfectly normal in big chunks of mainland Europe, but over here there aren't many places to do that and gay saunas fit the bill. I can cope with guys sucking each other off near me if I can get a good steam without having to put a towel round me. Luke" I”m a member of a gym in Lagos Nigeria , it’s totally normal to be naked in the sauna after a workout | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! So the minute you walk into a gay sauna you’re gay. I suppose the minute I sit in a lorry I’m a lorry driver brum brum thats right, i only have to put on a surgeons mask and pick up a scalpel and im ready to do open heart surgery .... or they could be a undercover journalist? im not sure a man letting another man suck his cock is gay? isnt the sucker gay? and the other guy just getting to dump his load? lol " You are Bill Clinton and I claim my five pounds. So by the same logic that a mouth is a mouth, then an arse is an arse. As long as the "straight" man doesn't touch the gay (or bi) man's cock, he is still straight? The proper terms are Top and bottom for gay men who want to mirror a heterosexual style relationship, with the top being the "masculine" one penetrating the "feminine" one. | |||
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"I kind of blame gay saunas for turning me Bi. Not a lot can do about it now. Having said that I don’t really agree with the label thing anyway. There are girls I would not be with equally there are guys I would never go near. Think a lot can be attitude, mood, what you like etc. Not necessarily the binary girl/guy." You weren't 'turned' just discovered something that was always part of you. Though your comment about not agreeing with the label, because you are not shagging everything that moves? That's not sexuality, that's promiscuity. There's plenty of monogamous relationships between homosexual people, heterosexual people and even bi-sexual people who have chosen a significant other. I know some men (of any sexual orientation) will shag anything that moves but doesn't move fast enough. | |||
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"If a "Straight" man knowingly went to a "Gay" Sauna, then that man is NOT "Straight". He is a closet "Bi" or "Gay"!!!!!! So the minute you walk into a gay sauna you’re gay. I suppose the minute I sit in a lorry I’m a lorry driver brum brum thats right, i only have to put on a surgeons mask and pick up a scalpel and im ready to do open heart surgery .... or they could be a undercover journalist? im not sure a man letting another man suck his cock is gay? isnt the sucker gay? and the other guy just getting to dump his load? lol You are Bill Clinton and I claim my five pounds. So by the same logic that a mouth is a mouth, then an arse is an arse. As long as the "straight" man doesn't touch the gay (or bi) man's cock, he is still straight? The proper terms are Top and bottom for gay men who want to mirror a heterosexual style relationship, with the top being the "masculine" one penetrating the "feminine" one. " well everyone knows anal sex is just wrong lol who bums women? its obvious that you are suppose to use the pussy but if you are going to screw a females bum then so what if you do a mans? sooo homophobic! lol | |||
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"What people fail to realise is swinging is all about bisexuality. MFM, FMF etc there is always two people of the same gender in a threesome. Take a MFM threesome the men can see each others cocks and are not turned off by it. Doesn't matter if they don't touch each other, it's still a bi scenario. " Well I suppose that is one theory | |||
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"Went to a few had no intention of playing and didn't even though it was on offer did enjoy watching to the point my cock was rock hard and leaking precum which rarely happens but still didn't want to play " Yeah in my 20s way way before I transitioned and even started playing with guts. I used to pop into a local gay sauna after my physio session twice a month. Simply it was 5 pounds entry fee each time and I was only there 30 minutes ish for sauna and steam to help my treatment . It was far cheaper than spunking 50 quid for a membership to the david Lloyd or other big brand centre . Never had a problem with the guys as made it clear I wasn’t there for that . Some interesting chats I had in there with guys about life in general , and seeing people play didn’t phase me in slightest . Though I think I only ever saw a handful of people actually play in the steam room. The place had different rooms that guys would go into from the sauna . | |||
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"To answer the question OP, from my experience over many years, a lot of married (hetero)men use gay saunas, esp Middle aged and older, bit on the side with few complications.. You do get a few chatty guys, but often little talk is involved, therefore you never know what persuasion the guys are,it is purely an opportunity to release without awkward exchanges etc. As a few people have said, Go for it and remember your in charge, perhaps simply observe on yr maiden visit, familiarise yrself with the building & the various options. Enjoy." I totally agree with you 100% on this | |||
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"I dont have a problem with anyone gay bi or whatever. What i do have a problem with is guys who say they arw straight yet are bi at the very least but would never admit they suck cock. No one cares nowadays if you are gay or bi so why not just tell the truth as liveing in the closet and lieing all your life is very sad in my opinion " I agree but I’m not so sure about the no one cares bit | |||
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"I dont have a problem with anyone gay bi or whatever. What i do have a problem with is guys who say they arw straight yet are bi at the very least but would never admit they suck cock. No one cares nowadays if you are gay or bi so why not just tell the truth as liveing in the closet and lieing all your life is very sad in my opinion " 'No one cares nowadays' Spoken like someone completely unaffected and unaware From Stonewall / YouGov ... One in five LGBT people have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months Two in five trans people have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their gender identity in the last 12 months Four in five anti-LGBT hate crimes and incidents go unreported, with younger LGBT people particularly reluctant to go to the police In addition, BBC and local news media reporting a rise in reports of crimes against LGBT people in both 2020 and, to date, in 2021 | |||
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"I dont have a problem with anyone gay bi or whatever. What i do have a problem with is guys who say they arw straight yet are bi at the very least but would never admit they suck cock. No one cares nowadays if you are gay or bi so why not just tell the truth as liveing in the closet and lieing all your life is very sad in my opinion 'No one cares nowadays' Spoken like someone completely unaffected and unaware From Stonewall / YouGov ... One in five LGBT people have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months Two in five trans people have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their gender identity in the last 12 months Four in five anti-LGBT hate crimes and incidents go unreported, with younger LGBT people particularly reluctant to go to the police In addition, BBC and local news media reporting a rise in reports of crimes against LGBT people in both 2020 and, to date, in 2021" Oh and the male bi-phobia on here at times is almost tangible | |||
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"I dont have a problem with anyone gay bi or whatever. What i do have a problem with is guys who say they arw straight yet are bi at the very least but would never admit they suck cock. No one cares nowadays if you are gay or bi so why not just tell the truth as liveing in the closet and lieing all your life is very sad in my opinion 'No one cares nowadays' Spoken like someone completely unaffected and unaware From Stonewall / YouGov ... One in five LGBT people have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months Two in five trans people have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their gender identity in the last 12 months Four in five anti-LGBT hate crimes and incidents go unreported, with younger LGBT people particularly reluctant to go to the police In addition, BBC and local news media reporting a rise in reports of crimes against LGBT people in both 2020 and, to date, in 2021" Well said! There are certain parts of our society where it’s still taboo. | |||
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"I dont have a problem with anyone gay bi or whatever. What i do have a problem with is guys who say they arw straight yet are bi at the very least but would never admit they suck cock. No one cares nowadays if you are gay or bi so why not just tell the truth as liveing in the closet and lieing all your life is very sad in my opinion " I don't agree about the no-one cares. There's still a long way to go. In my many years around Chesterfield, I've never seen 2 men being affectionate in public there, despite there being gay, bi, curious guys there. I don't think most people would cause a problem but there would probably be some clear signs of disapproval made evident. If you're up for it, we can organise a research demonstration. My gay female friends generally have no problems in Chesterfield but occasionally get negative feedback. It's easy for apparent straight men to throw these comments out. | |||
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"What people fail to realise is swinging is all about bisexuality. MFM, FMF etc there is always two people of the same gender in a threesome. Take a MFM threesome the men can see each others cocks and are not turned off by it. Doesn't matter if they don't touch each other, it's still a bi scenario. Utter utter utter utter bollocks. I also disagree strongly." I get his point to some extent, showing an ankle was once considered sexy! Young men were told to tie their pyjamas tight lol ..... it's just modern society has moved the bar... a long way lol having sex mfm, being near another man's hard spunking cock... that is a sexual and there's 2 men present...! | |||
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" Just as sex is not compulsory in a sauna, you don't have to eat meat in McDonald's. But isn't it the reason most customers go there? " I go to McDonalds because I can get what I want* without having to wait too long. By the sound of it, gay saunas provide similarly rapid results! * Mainly vegetarian, as it happens. | |||
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"I do enjoy getting out and about and have found a few gay saunas do many straight men go? " Duh, they just pop in to buy Kellogs? They are NOT STRAIGHT if they got for cock fun! | |||
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"How is this thread still going lol seems a fairly simple issue? " It's a quiet news day | |||
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"I would have thought it is flippin' obvious why many men are coy or downright untruthful about what they get up to. It is because they simply don't want to miss out on ANY possibility of nookie but they've noticed that a proportion of couples and single women state that they don't want to have anything to do with men who play with other men and therefore, by admitting to it they would ruin their chances. Add to that the inescapable fact that unless you specifically say that you are straighter than an arrow, you will get bombarded with offers to suck your cock. Such offers most likely won't come from women!" Totally agree with all you say except the straighter than an arrow bit. Even then you will still get bombarded with blowjob offers from blokes. Didn't you know that there is no such thing as straight after 6 pints of lager? Didn't you know it's only a label? Didn't you know it's only a hole so nobody cares? On and on the nonsense goes. For many bi and gay guys the fantasy of getting all hot and sweaty with a straight guy overcomes all common sense. | |||
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"I still find it sad that folk lie in 2021. I personelly think that theres still a misguided knowledge that if you admit you are bi-sexual that you are not as masculine, that and if they admit it they would be talked about by others and shunned by many wonen who only want a "real" man. Sad times" it is sad, and the women that shun and then complain women are not treated equal ! fact is if you have someone elses spunk in your mouth or up your hole, you will be treated like a bitch, no matter what your genitals are lol think its just a primal dominance thing | |||
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"I have been because I like a good sauna and steam. I like to use spas au naturel like they do in certain parts of continental Europe. Gay saunas are about the only places in the country where you can use a spa with your kit off, and they are quite good value. All I have to do is put up with guys sucking each other off in the corner. I can cope with that. Luke" Doesn't it get very sticky? | |||
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" It is because they simply don't want to miss out on ANY possibility of nookie but they've noticed that a proportion of couples and single women state that they don't want to have anything to do with men who play with other men and therefore, by admitting to it they would ruin their chances. " The opposite is also true, there are many couples who are looking for a bisexual man, and many couples who don't care if you're Bi or not. In my experience the number of liaisons I've had by admitting I'm Bi far outweighs the liaisons I've lost. As for the intolerant ones, it's their loss! | |||
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"Are there just women gay saunas" Some years ago there was one in London's Covent Garden and there was one here in Brighton for a while, but these were special nights in an otherwise men's saunas. The concept never really took off, which I thought was a shame. | |||
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"My hubby thought he was straight until a guy sucked his cock in a mixed sauna " he is straight, just likes emptying his balls lol i think the line is kissing or actually looking and thinking, id like to fuck them or be fucked by them! guys with a hard on who take advantage of a hot hole... is a bit like a hungry dog eating a veggie burger... hes still a carnivore but it was there and he ate it lol | |||
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"My hubby thought he was straight until a guy sucked his cock in a mixed sauna he is straight, just likes emptying his balls lol i think the line is kissing or actually looking and thinking, id like to fuck them or be fucked by them! guys with a hard on who take advantage of a hot hole... is a bit like a hungry dog eating a veggie burger... hes still a carnivore but it was there and he ate it lol" Lol. I like the veggie burger line. Funny. But it doesn't work like that in real life. A hole is not just a hole. It never is. Ever. | |||
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"My hubby thought he was straight until a guy sucked his cock in a mixed sauna he is straight, just likes emptying his balls lol i think the line is kissing or actually looking and thinking, id like to fuck them or be fucked by them! guys with a hard on who take advantage of a hot hole... is a bit like a hungry dog eating a veggie burger... hes still a carnivore but it was there and he ate it lol Lol. I like the veggie burger line. Funny. But it doesn't work like that in real life. A hole is not just a hole. It never is. Ever." I have to admit... it's probably time I came out. I had a veggie burger once and thought it was OK. I'd maybe do it again if I was really hungry... does this make me veggie- curious? Embarrassing, I know hope you all don't think anything less of me | |||
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