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"I'd say in quite a few cases the husband is more keen for the wife to be bi than she is herself. Id put money on there being far less women who are bi on here than is actually stated, same as I'd say there are actually alot less straight men on here than their profiles state." This. | |||
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"I'd say there are actually alot less straight men on here than their profiles state." Tell me about it I've resorted to ignoring all guys who hide their friends list. It's drastic, but I'm all out of options x | |||
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"The implication seems to be that most women only do what their men expect them to do. Are the men who claim to be bi only bi because their wives tell them to be? When we played in clubs the majority of women were, like me, more than happy to enjoy girl on girl fun, with or without their partner watching. The boundaries of those that weren't were respected. " Hi, no it's not the fact that some of the women are bi that I find suspicious, it's the percentage. Like 90% women, but only 20% men. It suggests coercion. x | |||
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"The implication seems to be that most women only do what their men expect them to do. Are the men who claim to be bi only bi because their wives tell them to be? When we played in clubs the majority of women were, like me, more than happy to enjoy girl on girl fun, with or without their partner watching. The boundaries of those that weren't were respected. Hi, no it's not the fact that some of the women are bi that I find suspicious, it's the percentage. Like 90% women, but only 20% men. It suggests coercion. x" It might well do, but it might also suggest that being bi is more socially acceptable for women, even in swinging circles, than it is for men. There's probably several factors. | |||
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"Sheila is straight " Why the sad face, she's getting what she likes. Go Sheila! x | |||
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"The implication seems to be that most women only do what their men expect them to do. Are the men who claim to be bi only bi because their wives tell them to be? When we played in clubs the majority of women were, like me, more than happy to enjoy girl on girl fun, with or without their partner watching. The boundaries of those that weren't were respected. Hi, no it's not the fact that some of the women are bi that I find suspicious, it's the percentage. Like 90% women, but only 20% men. It suggests coercion. x It might well do, but it might also suggest that being bi is more socially acceptable for women, even in swinging circles, than it is for men. There's probably several factors. " I dont really believe that. Why is it not socially acceptable for men to be bi? No one cares nowadays. Those who lie about being straight are only hurting themselves no one else. As long as they are not stringing women along in pretending to be straight i dont see why anyone would care if a guy is bi sexual in 2021 | |||
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"I'm a married hotwife who meets single guys. I have a regular that I've been seeing for a few years but he doesn't have much luck with the single ladies on here, so my hubby suggested I set up a couples profile with him to get us both a bit of action. The thing is though, when I search M/F couples in my area, around 90% of couples (142) the woman are listed as bi-sexual/curious, but the vast majority of the men are straight. 90%-ish percent seems suspiciously high, I never know so many women like fanny! So what's going on here? Are the guys pressuring the women into "performing" for their own amusement, or are most females really bi? I know I'm not! lol x " This is exactly what me and the wife have thought. | |||
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" it's not the fact that some of the women are bi that I find suspicious, it's the percentage. Like 90% women, but only 20% men. It suggests coercion. x It might well do, but it might also suggest that being bi is more socially acceptable for women, even in swinging circles, than it is for men. There's probably several factors. " Or it might even suggest that it's unacceptable for women to be seen as straight in swinging circles. I know which theory I'm leaning towards x | |||
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"It shouldn't be the case, but I do think there is still a stigma for men of being attracted to other men. Look at the stick openly gay sportsmen still get? Homophobic slurs are so widespread etc. I think a lot of men see it as a contradiction to their masculinity to be attracted to men. You'd think it wouldn't be the case on fab where hopefully people are more open minded, but I'm not sure?" I agree, BUT on the other side of that the average wife is WAY more immediately physically appealing that their other half here... and in life in general. Whilst it's all artificial, society rates womens physical appearance as far more important a part of attractiveness than men. This is "fine" when you get to know a new partner over days / weeks / years but for a "hey guys, fancy playing?" situation, it's very reasonable to find no reason to want to get with the guy, as this is much more about the physical side than in a normal relationship where he's valued for different things. | |||
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"It shouldn't be the case, but I do think there is still a stigma for men of being attracted to other men. Look at the stick openly gay sportsmen still get? Homophobic slurs are so widespread etc. I think a lot of men see it as a contradiction to their masculinity to be attracted to men. You'd think it wouldn't be the case on fab where hopefully people are more open minded, but I'm not sure?" I agree with this, for me it's not even male or fake but I am attracted to the person. | |||
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"It would be interesting to know what percentage of bi women are here on their own for bi experiences. I suspect that's a fairly low percentage " What is reasonable to take from the fact that that's what *you* suspect? You're listed as straight, so it's fair to say your own view of the situation is going to be significantly influencing it, no? | |||
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"It shouldn't be the case, but I do think there is still a stigma for men of being attracted to other men. Look at the stick openly gay sportsmen still get? Homophobic slurs are so widespread etc. I think a lot of men see it as a contradiction to their masculinity to be attracted to men. You'd think it wouldn't be the case on fab where hopefully people are more open minded, but I'm not sure?" I see this with bi friends and struggle to see why in 2021 so many men pretend to be staight when they are not. I think like you say its dents there masculity to admit they fancy men too and also dont want to be labelled "a puff" even tho no one cares i think they feel they would get shame from friends and family. If soneone is married and they have found out over the years they are bi i think if they admit it then they would lose there wives etc so have to pretend they are straight. Dont agree with lieing but i understand why they do it. | |||
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"It would be interesting to know what percentage of bi women are here on their own for bi experiences. I suspect that's a fairly low percentage What is reasonable to take from the fact that that's what *you* suspect? You're listed as straight, so it's fair to say your own view of the situation is going to be significantly influencing it, no?" Well since it's only my view then it would be absolutely reasonable to take that from it | |||
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"I'm a married hotwife who meets single guys. I have a regular that I've been seeing for a few years but he doesn't have much luck with the single ladies on here, so my hubby suggested I set up a couples profile with him to get us both a bit of action. The thing is though, when I search M/F couples in my area, around 90% of couples (142) the woman are listed as bi-sexual/curious, but the vast majority of the men are straight. 90%-ish percent seems suspiciously high, I never know so many women like fanny! So what's going on here? Are the guys pressuring the women into "performing" for their own amusement, or are most females really bi? I know I'm not! lol x " Am I reading it correctly, you set up a couples account, with someone other than your husband? So he can get more action? Fb / fwb couple, your find lots including us will stay away from this dynamic. As to bi fem. I'm pansexual, so in noway doing it for my fella. There are lots, that only do it for a show for their fella. | |||
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"It would be interesting to know what percentage of bi women are here on their own for bi experiences. I suspect that's a fairly low percentage " I agree. Many are 'pretend bi' to attract or please men. Or only play bi when men are around and wouldn't have a 1:1 with another woman. Some are truly bi. | |||
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"The implication seems to be that most women only do what their men expect them to do. Are the men who claim to be bi only bi because their wives tell them to be? When we played in clubs the majority of women were, like me, more than happy to enjoy girl on girl fun, with or without their partner watching. The boundaries of those that weren't were respected. Hi, no it's not the fact that some of the women are bi that I find suspicious, it's the percentage. Like 90% women, but only 20% men. It suggests coercion. x It might well do, but it might also suggest that being bi is more socially acceptable for women, even in swinging circles, than it is for men. There's probably several factors. I dont really believe that. Why is it not socially acceptable for men to be bi? No one cares nowadays. Those who lie about being straight are only hurting themselves no one else. As long as they are not stringing women along in pretending to be straight i dont see why anyone would care if a guy is bi sexual in 2021" People do care and it influences their choices, to the extent that guys who aren't straight are still perceived as not as good or attractive to many.here and in the wider world. | |||
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" Am I reading it correctly, you set up a couples account, with someone other than your husband? So he can get more action? Fb / fwb couple, your find lots including us will stay away from this dynamic. As to bi fem. I'm pansexual, so in noway doing it for my fella. There are lots, that only do it for a show for their fella." Almost correct yes, I haven't set an account up yet. While researching the other couple's profiles in my area I realised that in 86% (I've done the exact math now) of the couples aged 30-50, the female was listed as bi-sexual or bi-curious. Of course, it's none of my business whatever someone is bi or not, there's room for everyone here whatever their desire. I was simply pointing out that 86% of women in a M/F couple relationship identifying as "bi" does seem rather high, especially when so few men do. You'd think that with all these bi females out there the'd be more bi-female profiles, but there really aren't that many in my area. Out of curiosity, I searched for F/F couples in the same area and age group, and I got ZERO results! Call me a cynic, but it's as though the majority of the females are only bi/curious when there are male eyes watching! x | |||
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" Am I reading it correctly, you set up a couples account, with someone other than your husband? So he can get more action? Fb / fwb couple, your find lots including us will stay away from this dynamic. As to bi fem. I'm pansexual, so in noway doing it for my fella. There are lots, that only do it for a show for their fella. Almost correct yes, I haven't set an account up yet. While researching the other couple's profiles in my area I realised that in 86% (I've done the exact math now) of the couples aged 30-50, the female was listed as bi-sexual or bi-curious. Of course, it's none of my business whatever someone is bi or not, there's room for everyone here whatever their desire. I was simply pointing out that 86% of women in a M/F couple relationship identifying as "bi" does seem rather high, especially when so few men do. You'd think that with all these bi females out there the'd be more bi-female profiles, but there really aren't that many in my area. Out of curiosity, I searched for F/F couples in the same area and age group, and I got ZERO results! Call me a cynic, but it's as though the majority of the females are only bi/curious when there are male eyes watching! x" Don't forget there are plenty of other sites to meet sexual partners. If I (female) was looking to meet a female partner I wouldn't use fab. I don't think fab is representative of all society. Also I really struggle with the assumption that so many women are only pretending to be bi for men's enjoyment. Maybe cos I just couldn't be sexually intimate with someone if I wasn't sexually attracted to them. Actually before we started meeting couples I liked the idea of kissing a woman and playing with her breasts but couldn't imagine myself licking pussy. Turns out I'm a biiiiiiig fan | |||
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"Without going too deeply into it, there are a few reasons for this; performative, expectations, stigma, societal influences and male sexual gaze. Female bisexuality is sexualised by the male gaze whereas male bisexuality is seen as dirty and emasculating. This means that women that are bisexual are ‘accepted’ but their sexuality is seen as performative, whereas men are derided and shunned. I’ve had experiences of being abused and told that bisexual men are less masculine, mainly because of these opinions, many guys won’t admit to being bisexual. I could go into it far deeper but that’s the short of it " The most spot on genuine reply i have read. Thank you that poster | |||
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"We are both bi, however, we don't go looking for it. We are happy for some same sex fun if it happens but more than happy with sticking to our usual roles. ST loves a good pair of boobs as much as me, but she's more than happy with watching me enjoy them. She doesn't need to get physical with another girl to enjoy her. " May i ask then how come its ok for her to enjoy fun with another woman but you wont enjoy cock for her? Just curious no hate | |||
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"We are both bi, however, we don't go looking for it. We are happy for some same sex fun if it happens but more than happy with sticking to our usual roles. ST loves a good pair of boobs as much as me, but she's more than happy with watching me enjoy them. She doesn't need to get physical with another girl to enjoy her. May I ask then how come its ok for her to enjoy fun with another woman but you wont enjoy cock for her? Just curious no hate " I haven't said that at all. I'm happy to enjoy a nice cock. The original post was about female bisexuality, so just giving our perspective on that. | |||
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" Also a some men ( not all!) Are happy to get the women to do stuff with another woman yet wont do stuff with another man. Double standards in my book" Well I can’t speak for every couple, but I’m not “getting” her to do anything with either sex. We are here for fun, and if it’s fun we’ll do it, coercion isn’t fun. | |||
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" Also a some men ( not all!) Are happy to get the women to do stuff with another woman yet wont do stuff with another man. Double standards in my book Well I can’t speak for every couple, but I’m not “getting” her to do anything with either sex. We are here for fun, and if it’s fun we’ll do it, coercion isn’t fun." Totally agree and thats why i stressed not all couples but sadly a lot are forced to stroke the ego of the man. | |||
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"I stopped looking for couples because of this. Most I spoke toit was all about me and the woman, and the man wasn't getting involved, just watching. If I want a couple I want them both. If I wanted just a woman I would look for one. My ex used to go on about me with another woman but another man was a hard no. " Exactly this. Why would I want to meet a couple if I am straight? I am much better off meeting single guys. I am quite happy to meet couples with a straight fem socially, but sexually, she has to be bi. And there has to be all round attraction etc- | |||
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" Also a some men ( not all!) Are happy to get the women to do stuff with another woman yet wont do stuff with another man. Double standards in my book Well I can’t speak for every couple, but I’m not “getting” her to do anything with either sex. We are here for fun, and if it’s fun we’ll do it, coercion isn’t fun. Totally agree and thats why i stressed not all couples but sadly a lot are forced to stroke the ego of the man." Do you really think that? I’d be surprised if that was the case. I can’t imagine anyone indulging in sexual activity with someone of the same sex if they weren’t attracted to that sex. | |||
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" Also a some men ( not all!) Are happy to get the women to do stuff with another woman yet wont do stuff with another man. Double standards in my book Well I can’t speak for every couple, but I’m not “getting” her to do anything with either sex. We are here for fun, and if it’s fun we’ll do it, coercion isn’t fun. Totally agree and thats why i stressed not all couples but sadly a lot are forced to stroke the ego of the man. Do you really think that? I’d be surprised if that was the case. I can’t imagine anyone indulging in sexual activity with someone of the same sex if they weren’t attracted to that sex. " Sadly i think you would be surprised what some will do to please the other. Also i find women lie about being bi to please the man and men lie about being straight because admiting they fancy men dents there ego and masculinity ( in my opinion) | |||
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"There's a lot of confirmation bias going on in this thread. If you want to believe there's widespread coercion of wives then no doubt you'll find the 'evidence' to support your view. It's hogwash of course, but don't let that stand in your way " Tbf, you don't really need to look too far to find confirmation | |||
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"I stopped looking for couples because of this. Most I spoke toit was all about me and the woman, and the man wasn't getting involved, just watching. If I want a couple I want them both. If I wanted just a woman I would look for one. My ex used to go on about me with another woman but another man was a hard no. Exactly this. Why would I want to meet a couple if I am straight? I am much better off meeting single guys. I am quite happy to meet couples with a straight fem socially, but sexually, she has to be bi. And there has to be all round attraction etc- " I suppose we're the other way. We, as a couple, like to meet ladies. There's no pressure for girl on girl, but is an option if there's an all round attraction. ST is a voyeur as much (if not more) as she is bi, she's happy to watch and enjoy and being involved if it happens. | |||
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" Am I reading it correctly, you set up a couples account, with someone other than your husband? So he can get more action? Fb / fwb couple, your find lots including us will stay away from this dynamic. As to bi fem. I'm pansexual, so in noway doing it for my fella. There are lots, that only do it for a show for their fella. Almost correct yes, I haven't set an account up yet. While researching the other couple's profiles in my area I realised that in 86% (I've done the exact math now) of the couples aged 30-50, the female was listed as bi-sexual or bi-curious. Of course, it's none of my business whatever someone is bi or not, there's room for everyone here whatever their desire. I was simply pointing out that 86% of women in a M/F couple relationship identifying as "bi" does seem rather high, especially when so few men do. You'd think that with all these bi females out there the'd be more bi-female profiles, but there really aren't that many in my area. Out of curiosity, I searched for F/F couples in the same area and age group, and I got ZERO results! Call me a cynic, but it's as though the majority of the females are only bi/curious when there are male eyes watching! x Don't forget there are plenty of other sites to meet sexual partners. If I (female) was looking to meet a female partner I wouldn't use fab. I don't think fab is representative of all society. Also I really struggle with the assumption that so many women are only pretending to be bi for men's enjoyment. Maybe cos I just couldn't be sexually intimate with someone if I wasn't sexually attracted to them. Actually before we started meeting couples I liked the idea of kissing a woman and playing with her breasts but couldn't imagine myself licking pussy. Turns out I'm a biiiiiiig fan " It's funny you mention this because Mrs Shorter is always on the lookout for a bi fem, for herself. There's very very few on here in our area and other sites pretty much seem missing. She had a single profile on here where she had a small amount of success but mostly other fems would 'introduce' a husband or boyfriend so gave up with that account | |||
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" Am I reading it correctly, you set up a couples account, with someone other than your husband? So he can get more action? Fb / fwb couple, your find lots including us will stay away from this dynamic. As to bi fem. I'm pansexual, so in noway doing it for my fella. There are lots, that only do it for a show for their fella. Almost correct yes, I haven't set an account up yet. While researching the other couple's profiles in my area I realised that in 86% (I've done the exact math now) of the couples aged 30-50, the female was listed as bi-sexual or bi-curious. Of course, it's none of my business whatever someone is bi or not, there's room for everyone here whatever their desire. I was simply pointing out that 86% of women in a M/F couple relationship identifying as "bi" does seem rather high, especially when so few men do. You'd think that with all these bi females out there the'd be more bi-female profiles, but there really aren't that many in my area. Out of curiosity, I searched for F/F couples in the same area and age group, and I got ZERO results! Call me a cynic, but it's as though the majority of the females are only bi/curious when there are male eyes watching! x Don't forget there are plenty of other sites to meet sexual partners. If I (female) was looking to meet a female partner I wouldn't use fab. I don't think fab is representative of all society. Also I really struggle with the assumption that so many women are only pretending to be bi for men's enjoyment. Maybe cos I just couldn't be sexually intimate with someone if I wasn't sexually attracted to them. Actually before we started meeting couples I liked the idea of kissing a woman and playing with her breasts but couldn't imagine myself licking pussy. Turns out I'm a biiiiiiig fan It's funny you mention this because Mrs Shorter is always on the lookout for a bi fem, for herself. There's very very few on here in our area and other sites pretty much seem missing. She had a single profile on here where she had a small amount of success but mostly other fems would 'introduce' a husband or boyfriend so gave up with that account " What a shame we don't live closer, she's stunning C x | |||
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" Am I reading it correctly, you set up a couples account, with someone other than your husband? So he can get more action? Fb / fwb couple, your find lots including us will stay away from this dynamic. As to bi fem. I'm pansexual, so in noway doing it for my fella. There are lots, that only do it for a show for their fella. Almost correct yes, I haven't set an account up yet. While researching the other couple's profiles in my area I realised that in 86% (I've done the exact math now) of the couples aged 30-50, the female was listed as bi-sexual or bi-curious. Of course, it's none of my business whatever someone is bi or not, there's room for everyone here whatever their desire. I was simply pointing out that 86% of women in a M/F couple relationship identifying as "bi" does seem rather high, especially when so few men do. You'd think that with all these bi females out there the'd be more bi-female profiles, but there really aren't that many in my area. Out of curiosity, I searched for F/F couples in the same area and age group, and I got ZERO results! Call me a cynic, but it's as though the majority of the females are only bi/curious when there are male eyes watching! x Don't forget there are plenty of other sites to meet sexual partners. If I (female) was looking to meet a female partner I wouldn't use fab. I don't think fab is representative of all society. Also I really struggle with the assumption that so many women are only pretending to be bi for men's enjoyment. Maybe cos I just couldn't be sexually intimate with someone if I wasn't sexually attracted to them. Actually before we started meeting couples I liked the idea of kissing a woman and playing with her breasts but couldn't imagine myself licking pussy. Turns out I'm a biiiiiiig fan It's funny you mention this because Mrs Shorter is always on the lookout for a bi fem, for herself. There's very very few on here in our area and other sites pretty much seem missing. She had a single profile on here where she had a small amount of success but mostly other fems would 'introduce' a husband or boyfriend so gave up with that account What a shame we don't live closer, she's stunning C x" She says thank you It's one of those things. She is free to do her own thing whenever she pleases but just grew bored of it. She still wants it but doesn't seek it anymore which is a shame. | |||
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"Most don’t know they are Bi until they have the chance to be with another woman and it’s absolutely incredible. If you have enough confidence to be a swinger I recon you can hold your own and be honest if your Bi or not I won’t put on a show for anybody if I look like I’m enjoying it it’s because I am " | |||
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" Am I reading it correctly, you set up a couples account, with someone other than your husband? So he can get more action? Fb / fwb couple, your find lots including us will stay away from this dynamic. As to bi fem. I'm pansexual, so in noway doing it for my fella. There are lots, that only do it for a show for their fella. Almost correct yes, I haven't set an account up yet. While researching the other couple's profiles in my area I realised that in 86% (I've done the exact math now) of the couples aged 30-50, the female was listed as bi-sexual or bi-curious. Of course, it's none of my business whatever someone is bi or not, there's room for everyone here whatever their desire. I was simply pointing out that 86% of women in a M/F couple relationship identifying as "bi" does seem rather high, especially when so few men do. You'd think that with all these bi females out there the'd be more bi-female profiles, but there really aren't that many in my area. Out of curiosity, I searched for F/F couples in the same area and age group, and I got ZERO results! Call me a cynic, but it's as though the majority of the females are only bi/curious when there are male eyes watching! x" I list myself as bi curious, not because I have not had bi experiences - I have. I enjoy sex with a woman if we are both attracted to each other but it’s an occasional pleasure, as are fmf experiences. It has nothing to do with male pressure for me as I make independent choices of who I play with. 90% of the time I’m a straight f-m woman. | |||
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"Others have said this but when it comes to sexuality and kink preferences we don’t think Fab or any other “swinger site” is representative of society as a whole. Can only speak for ourselves but Mrs B loves having sex with other women but would not (if she were single) really consider a full on relationship with another woman. There is absolutely no coercion from Mr B (Mrs B would cut his cock off if he tried). Mrs B also loves having sex with men too so swinging is about debauchery rather then any one aspect. Mr B is straight and has never found the idea of sex with another man a turn on. Been in very close proximity (DP, DV, double BJ) and not remotely phased but zero interest in going further. It isn’t that it is a turn off (having been active on fetish scene for many years have been exposed to most things) just not a turn on either! So we prob fit the cliche of a St8 male Bi female couple. " Writing about both of you in the 3rd person is so confusing, or really sexy... can't work out which... | |||
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"Others have said this but when it comes to sexuality and kink preferences we don’t think Fab or any other “swinger site” is representative of society as a whole. Can only speak for ourselves but Mrs B loves having sex with other women but would not (if she were single) really consider a full on relationship with another woman. There is absolutely no coercion from Mr B (Mrs B would cut his cock off if he tried). Mrs B also loves having sex with men too so swinging is about debauchery rather then any one aspect. Mr B is straight and has never found the idea of sex with another man a turn on. Been in very close proximity (DP, DV, double BJ) and not remotely phased but zero interest in going further. It isn’t that it is a turn off (having been active on fetish scene for many years have been exposed to most things) just not a turn on either! So we prob fit the cliche of a St8 male Bi female couple. Writing about both of you in the 3rd person is so confusing, or really sexy... can't work out which..." Ha ha really? Hopefully sexy! | |||
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"Without going too deeply into it, there are a few reasons for this; performative, expectations, stigma, societal influences and male sexual gaze. Female bisexuality is sexualised by the male gaze whereas male bisexuality is seen as dirty and emasculating. This means that women that are bisexual are ‘accepted’ but their sexuality is seen as performative, whereas men are derided and shunned. I’ve had experiences of being abused and told that bisexual men are less masculine, mainly because of these opinions, many guys won’t admit to being bisexual. I could go into it far deeper but that’s the short of it " Very well articulated - after reading various forums I definitely noticed some really messy attitudes which as well as making me uncomfortable also don't make a lot of sense and definitely more messy judgement than I would have expected from a community which is supposed to be all about consent, sex positivity and liberation. At least this is what I had hoped. Assumptions and expectations might not be coercion but they do tend to affect our behaviour in some way. Maybe not everyone all the time but at least some of the time. There might also be other factors, such a safety. A single woman is likely to be safer meeting a mixed couple than meeting one or more men so I wonder how much this might have an effect. | |||
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