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"I’d say yes, at least in my experience, I guess it’s a curiosity and a lot of the time, it’s a fantasy as sex is very porn driver . I don’t believe that if someone that defines himself as straight , has sex with a girl like me, then he needs to be defined as bisexual or that he isn’t straight anymore. After all, I get attention because of how much I look like a “regular” girl Hence why I never get any attention from gay men as they like men to be men " But when a straight man is doing it over & over again like some have on here, the lines between straight & bisexual become a little blurred. When a guy who claims to be straight has over 5 verifications from tv's/ts's & cd's, can he still claim to be straight? For us it's no. | |||
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"Well if they're showing their verifications and still have straight on their profile, then they clearly think so. They're not trying to dupe anyone if honest and upfront about it. I personally think if you have any sexual contact with another male you can't be totally straight. A term I've heard used in the past is Bi - playful mostly in a threesome situation. " So why do straight men hide their verifications from cd's/tv's/ts's? They happily put meetings with couples & women but leave this out....most of the time. When we read cd's/tv's & ts's profiles, the amount of straight men they've verified is amazing...but straight men don't show they've met. We have trust issues with this. | |||
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"What I find is straight guys want the best of both worlds as some couples won't touch guys with bi on profile " That's us. Finding it very hard to trust straight men on here. Each to their own of course...but they should be honest with themselves. | |||
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"I’d say yes, at least in my experience, I guess it’s a curiosity and a lot of the time, it’s a fantasy as sex is very porn driver . I don’t believe that if someone that defines himself as straight , has sex with a girl like me, then he needs to be defined as bisexual or that he isn’t straight anymore. After all, I get attention because of how much I look like a “regular” girl Hence why I never get any attention from gay men as they like men to be men But when a straight man is doing it over & over again like some have on here, the lines between straight & bisexual become a little blurred. When a guy who claims to be straight has over 5 verifications from tv's/ts's & cd's, can he still claim to be straight? For us it's no." I guess but also somehow some guys might feel that it’s easier to sleep with Tgirls or maybe they can do certain things in bed (for example have a fuck and go) that might be more difficult to with a regular girl. To me, it’s like saying somehow who might fuck a silicone doll every now and again, that looks like a woman, just to unload. Does he still have the right to define himself straight? Yes, because he gets turned on with what resembles to be a woman/girl/feminine Or, would a straight guy be okay to still define himself Straight if he wasn’t attracted to a very butch woman that looks just like a man? After all, she has a vag so... | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts?" Definitely not straight lol | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts? Definitely not straight lol" U would be shocked at the amount of straight men are actually not straight then  | |||
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"What I find is straight guys want the best of both worlds as some couples won't touch guys with bi on profile That's us. Finding it very hard to trust straight men on here. Each to their own of course...but they should be honest with themselves." The thing is they can suck or fuck a thousand cocks, but as long as they don't fancy men they still consider themselves as being straight, not sure which fantasy world they live in tbh. | |||
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"Totally agree Why do people have to put a label on everyone why not just let people put what they perceive themselves to be on their profile end of day it's their life their business Its a swingers site we are all meant to be here to enjoy everything this site and lifestyle has to offer so why get so hung up on someone not labelling themselves as other folk think they should " Very true this! I totally agree and It’s freaking 2020 | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts?" Their profile, their life, they can describe themselves how they like. This is a site for people to explore a hedonistic lifestyle with casual acquaintances. Anything I don't like on a profile I skip over. | |||
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exible'.
Only if they are interested in cock do they start to lean towards being bicurious or whatever but receiving blowjobs and fucking a ts/cd still counts as being straight to them.
Shemale porn is apparently the no.1 searched for porn don't forget and the majority of people in the world that watch porn are indeed straight men, a majority by default.
I believe that true 100% hetero men are a minority, similar in numbers to gay men (around 10% of the population and neither of which attracted to or would go with ts/cd) These men are usually (not always) less masculine in nature.
Its time people stopped giving men a hard time for following their natural urges. Don't underestimate the power of testosterone either, it's the driving force in most men and the more of it you have, the more likely you'll end up with gurls like us.
Love cherry x
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts?" We discuss this regularly, if a man is attracted to a tv/ts then it is generally the femininity he is attracted too, not the cock. So he is straight. Gay men are rarely attracted to full dress tv/ts so I rest my case. Tasmin.  | |||
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"Totally agree Why do people have to put a label on everyone why not just let people put what they perceive themselves to be on their profile end of day it's their life their business Its a swingers site we are all meant to be here to enjoy everything this site and lifestyle has to offer so why get so hung up on someone not labelling themselves as other folk think they should " Because we're after 'STRAIGHT' men only. Should we go for bi-curious men because we're 'hung-up' about our preference...? Don't think so! We don't want married guys either, is that being 'hung-up?' | |||
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"Judging by the amount of "straight" guys who look at my profile and message me, I think it's more that they're not telling the truth "This is our point, the TRUTH! | |||
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"Here we go again. Lol Of course they are not straight. Only on Planet Fab could this ever be a debate. 2 blokes having sex is 2 blokes having sex. That does not change if one is dressed as a woman. Too much denial on this site. At least I can respect the guys that are honest." EXACTLY!!  | |||
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"Here we go again. Lol Of course they are not straight. Only on Planet Fab could this ever be a debate. 2 blokes having sex is 2 blokes having sex. That does not change if one is dressed as a woman. Too much denial on this site. At least I can respect the guys that are honest." I agree with this, even though I am a Part time cd, I have 0 interest in men or cock. I am fully straight. I would say that straight men are attracted to the feminity of cds tvs etc. However if they have sex with them I would consider them at least bi. | |||
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"The worst thing is when they try and get a veri left by a TV removed as apparently it never happened and was left for them by mistake! I don’t hold back on this subject. I’m so sick of couples contacting us wanting to meet secretly as no one knows the male half is Bisexual and it will hinder their chances of meeting others. Some of their profiles even state they have no interest in TV’s and are 100% straight. Makes me mad! I’m on a roll now OP!
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts?" No | |||
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"In my experience the vast majority of men in the world are attracted to femininity and define themselves as straight but are actually (even if only slightly) 'hete exible'.
Only if they are interested in cock do they start to lean towards being bicurious or whatever but receiving blowjobs and fucking a ts/cd still counts as being straight to them.
Shemale porn is apparently the no.1 searched for porn don't forget and the majority of people in the world that watch porn are indeed straight men, a majority by default.
I believe that true 100% hetero men are a minority, similar in numbers to gay men (around 10% of the population and neither of which attracted to or would go with ts/cd) These men are usually (not always) less masculine in nature.
Its time people stopped giving men a hard time for following their natural urges. Don't underestimate the power of testosterone either, it's the driving force in most men and the more of it you have, the more likely you'll end up with gurls like us.
Love cherry x
"Don't agree with that post. On average, women have 2-3 nanograms of testosterone levels in them whilst men have have 12+ nanograms of testosterone levels. So you're saying that the higher a mans testosterone level is, the more he'll want a 'woman' with higher testosterones than normal...?  | |||
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"I smoke cigarettes only when I’m drinking..... So I’m a non smoker......." A bit of an invalid comparison.. the thing is a lot of tgirls are girls (who were born male) but look and act and resemble WOMEN .. some have gone post op and have a vagina, some still are pre op. But essentially looks like a woman with attached a dick (sorry if it sounds rude). A lot of girls like me are very beautiful and more feminine than a lot of regulars.. Trust me, the target of people who have an interest or watch trans porn, are those that would identify as straight men. Fully bisexual men who are attracted to men and anything that is manly are another matter as they would find attractive a proper bloke. (Some like trans some don’t) I’d say the ones who take an interest in trans girls, usually are open minded straight men with fantasies. It’s 2020 and we are still pointing the finger on putting people in a box and telling them what they are  | |||
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"I'm just saying that it's usually the more masculine men that go for us, make of it what you will. I'm not even sure what your problem is here, clearly it's all in the mind, if you feel chemistry with someone but they went with a tv once it's a deal breaker for you? Sorry OP I may be wrong but Im getting a whiff of transphobia here, it's as if you think that men are tarnished once they've been with a tv, as if we are all just skeezy scum to you or something. It's exactly this kind of thinking that stops men being honest about things in the first place! I'm pretty sure you don't disclose all of your secrets with everyone you meet so why should they? " well said | |||
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"I'm just saying that it's usually the more masculine men that go for us, make of it what you will. I'm not even sure what your problem is here, clearly it's all in the mind, if you feel chemistry with someone but they went with a tv once it's a deal breaker for you? Sorry OP I may be wrong but Im getting a whiff of transphobia here, it's as if you think that men are tarnished once they've been with a tv, as if we are all just skeezy scum to you or something. It's exactly this kind of thinking that stops men being honest about things in the first place! I'm pretty sure you don't disclose all of your secrets with everyone you meet so why should they? " Exactly , it’s true that most men don’t feel like they could ever do more than sex because of how society would perceive them if they were romantically involved with a girl who is trans. And were out in the open as a regular couple. The tv show pose does touch a bit on these subjects and was refreshing to see Thankfully things are changing a bit | |||
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"Well if they're showing their verifications and still have straight on their profile, then they clearly think so. They're not trying to dupe anyone if honest and upfront about it. I personally think if you have any sexual contact with another male you can't be totally straight. A term I've heard used in the past is Bi - playful mostly in a threesome situation. So why do straight men hide their verifications from cd's/tv's/ts's? They happily put meetings with couples & women but leave this out....most of the time. When we read cd's/tv's & ts's profiles, the amount of straight men they've verified is amazing...but straight men don't show they've met. We have trust issues with this." Think this is a great point. I’ve met a few straight guys that I’ve verified but they haven’t done it in return. This has generally made me feel like they didn’t enjoy the experience until they message again looking for another hookup I think sexuality is very fluid. I don’t cage or hide my cock when I meet and ALL guys I meet will at least touch it. Think people and on this site and couples in particular are too hung up on sexuality. Bi guys can play with straight couples without perving on the guy lol | |||
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"Well if they're showing their verifications and still have straight on their profile, then they clearly think so. They're not trying to dupe anyone if honest and upfront about it. I personally think if you have any sexual contact with another male you can't be totally straight. A term I've heard used in the past is Bi - playful mostly in a threesome situation. So why do straight men hide their verifications from cd's/tv's/ts's? They happily put meetings with couples & women but leave this out....most of the time. When we read cd's/tv's & ts's profiles, the amount of straight men they've verified is amazing...but straight men don't show they've met. We have trust issues with this. Think this is a great point. I’ve met a few straight guys that I’ve verified but they haven’t done it in return. This has generally made me feel like they didn’t enjoy the experience until they message again looking for another hookup I think sexuality is very fluid. I don’t cage or hide my cock when I meet and ALL guys I meet will at least touch it. Think people and on this site and couples in particular are too hung up on sexuality. Bi guys can play with straight couples without perving on the guy lol" people just need to chill and enjoy the experience and company or if not just move on | |||
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"I'm just saying that it's usually the more masculine men that go for us, make of it what you will. I'm not even sure what your problem is here, clearly it's all in the mind, if you feel chemistry with someone but they went with a tv once it's a deal breaker for you? Sorry OP I may be wrong but Im getting a whiff of transphobia here, it's as if you think that men are tarnished once they've been with a tv, as if we are all just skeezy scum to you or something. It's exactly this kind of thinking that stops men being honest about things in the first place! I'm pretty sure you don't disclose all of your secrets with everyone you meet so why should they? " No, no, no. You're not going to put us in a box. The only 'whiff' you can smell is LIES! We're NOT transphobic, we just have a serious problem with 'straight' guys that lie on here. If we wanted guys who're bi-curious, we'd state it. We have a preference, make of that what you will......but if a 'straight' guy lies about his preference, then yeah we have a problem with it. Should we go for married men if there's chemistry..? Don't think so... | |||
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"I do get approached by a lot of 'straight' guys some of whom display TS/TV/CD veri's which is fine but many don't display veri's. Some are players, some curious, some in self denial and some are very experienced with trans. Should guy's be honest? well yes they should be but it's not a perfect world we live in. There is no 'straight' answer to this OP (see what I did there )."Hahah! Thanks for a very insightful answer... | |||
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"If a man has sex with a man he’s not straight. Labels don’t matter but the fact that they try to hide it indicates some kind of shame involved which there obviously should not be. For me the fact that a bloke said he’s straight and meets men is more that he lies than he has sex with men. " Yeah I agree about honesty being the main issue here but the reality is unless your meeting someone you’ve met before, they could tell you all kinds of bull shit that isn’t true, | |||
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"If a man has sex with a man he’s not straight. Labels don’t matter but the fact that they try to hide it indicates some kind of shame involved which there obviously should not be. For me the fact that a bloke said he’s straight and meets men is more that he lies than he has sex with men. Yeah I agree about honesty being the main issue here but the reality is unless your meeting someone you’ve met before, they could tell you all kinds of bull shit that isn’t true, " Absolutely ....... but this would STOP me from meeting them if they state straight and are obviously not. Also being totally honest I’m not all that familiar with where male ends and female begins with TS/ TG .... CD is obviously but as always the rest is surely just a grey area? | |||
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"If a man has sex with a man he’s not straight. Labels don’t matter but the fact that they try to hide it indicates some kind of shame involved which there obviously should not be. For me the fact that a bloke said he’s straight and meets men is more that he lies than he has sex with men. Yeah I agree about honesty being the main issue here but the reality is unless your meeting someone you’ve met before, they could tell you all kinds of bull shit that isn’t true, Absolutely ....... but this would STOP me from meeting them if they state straight and are obviously not. Also being totally honest I’m not all that familiar with where male ends and female begins with TS/ TG .... CD is obviously but as always the rest is surely just a grey area? " And no one could blame you for that as it’s obvious bull shit that you can see with your own eyes I suppose it’s down to the individual but for me I just adore femininity - I love to express my own feminine side in ways that make me happy and am not really fussed where I would be on the male/female spectrum x | |||
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"If a man has sex with a man he’s not straight. Labels don’t matter but the fact that they try to hide it indicates some kind of shame involved which there obviously should not be. For me the fact that a bloke said he’s straight and meets men is more that he lies than he has sex with men. Yeah I agree about honesty being the main issue here but the reality is unless your meeting someone you’ve met before, they could tell you all kinds of bull shit that isn’t true, Absolutely ....... but this would STOP me from meeting them if they state straight and are obviously not. Also being totally honest I’m not all that familiar with where male ends and female begins with TS/ TG .... CD is obviously but as always the rest is surely just a grey area? And no one could blame you for that as it’s obvious bull shit that you can see with your own eyes I suppose it’s down to the individual but for me I just adore femininity - I love to express my own feminine side in ways that make me happy and am not really fussed where I would be on the male/female spectrum x" Exactly it’s the ‘doesn’t matter’ that makes it not matter. The male toxicity attitude of ‘I’m straight me’ is what repels me not the fact they have met a man. | |||
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"I've never had a TV/TS experience & have never wanted a meet with a bloke but I've been chatting to a beautiful , feminine TV/TS on here & have a meet planned when it's safe to again. I still class myself as straight though so I can see some valid points on here." And a lucky lady she will be meeting you | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts?" My thoughts are here we go again. Oh, and for what it's worth, transsexuals are women. Some of us even have a vagina. | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts? My thoughts are here we go again. Oh, and for what it's worth, transsexuals are women. Some of us even have a vagina. " Exactly! Where does male end and female begin life’s not that simple. | |||
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"I've never had a TV/TS experience & have never wanted a meet with a bloke but I've been chatting to a beautiful , feminine TV/TS on here & have a meet planned when it's safe to again. I still class myself as straight though so I can see some valid points on here. And a lucky lady she will be meeting you "How kind - thankyou x | |||
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"One problem is that there seems to be no option to identify as orally bi but only orally bi.." simply put it on your profile ! On here at least we should be able to be honest and if someone doesn't "do" whatever then move on | |||
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"I smoke cigarettes only when I’m drinking..... So I’m a non smoker....... A bit of an invalid comparison.. the thing is a lot of tgirls are girls (who were born male) but look and act and resemble WOMEN .. some have gone post op and have a vagina, some still are pre op. But essentially looks like a woman with attached a dick (sorry if it sounds rude). A lot of girls like me are very beautiful and more feminine than a lot of regulars.. Trust me, the target of people who have an interest or watch trans porn, are those that would identify as straight men. Fully bisexual men who are attracted to men and anything that is manly are another matter as they would find attractive a proper bloke. (Some like trans some don’t) I’d say the ones who take an interest in trans girls, usually are open minded straight men with fantasies. It’s 2020 and we are still pointing the finger on putting people in a box and telling them what they are "Thank you for your intelligent post..... I want to ask you a question that confuses me.... My definition of a gay sex is two people with a penis doing an act in which one or both of them cum..... What has changed in the world now , that this definition is now invalid? Now for context, I’ve played with 100’s of couples in my swinging life... I’ve tried DP, DV , and have had the male half of the couple underneath me licking his wife’s clit while I’m having sex with her from behind..... So I’m by no means homophobic nor afraid of a naked man close to me during sex..... | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts? My thoughts are here we go again. Oh, and for what it's worth, transsexuals are women. Some of us even have a vagina. " If you're offended, that's not our intention. Maybe guilty of being a little ignorant, but not for being offensive. | |||
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"I smoke cigarettes only when I’m drinking..... So I’m a non smoker....... A bit of an invalid comparison.. the thing is a lot of tgirls are girls (who were born male) but look and act and resemble WOMEN .. some have gone post op and have a vagina, some still are pre op. But essentially looks like a woman with attached a dick (sorry if it sounds rude). A lot of girls like me are very beautiful and more feminine than a lot of regulars.. Trust me, the target of people who have an interest or watch trans porn, are those that would identify as straight men. Fully bisexual men who are attracted to men and anything that is manly are another matter as they would find attractive a proper bloke. (Some like trans some don’t) I’d say the ones who take an interest in trans girls, usually are open minded straight men with fantasies. It’s 2020 and we are still pointing the finger on putting people in a box and telling them what they are
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My definition of a gay sex is two people with a penis doing an act in which one or both of them cum..... What has changed in the world now , that this definition is now invalid?
Now for context, I’ve played with 100’s of couples in my swinging life... I’ve tried DP, DV , and have had the male half of the couple underneath me licking his wife’s clit while I’m having sex with her from behind..... So I’m by no means homophobic nor afraid of a naked man close to me during sex....."Gay sex is two men having sex. Tgirls even tho born male, and some having still a penis (some have had the operation to fully transition), are a different kind of girls. But still girls. That’s how we identify, how we behave and how we want to be perceived. A man that has sex with a man who’s a trans guy, has gay sex even tho he might still have a vagina and was born a female. It’s about how they feel and identify and how they have adapted their life. A trans guy who falls in love with guy is in fact a gay guy. If a trans guy(female to male) likes women, then he’s a straight guy (who has transitioned) | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts? My thoughts are here we go again. Oh, and for what it's worth, transsexuals are women. Some of us even have a vagina. If you're offended, that's not our intention. Maybe guilty of being a little ignorant, but not for being offensive." The thing is, that this topic arises on here constantly and because everyone has different opinions there is never a consensus. I think that for many men being seen as less than totally straight diminishes their masculinity, which is an ongoing societal problem. Quite a few will also think that it may affect their chances of a meet, which is probably true. Although TV/TS is a single grouping on fab, it's a bit of an anachronism really, as there are quite distinct differences between the two groups. Even though many TVs also suffer from gender dysphoria to varying degrees, most are fairly content to remain male and dress only when they need to. Transsexuals see themselves as women (or men, in the case of transmen) and will usually live full-time as their preferred gender. The majority will seek medical intervention, such as cross-sex hormones, and quite a few will opt for surgery to correct their genitalia. I can all be a bit confusing for those who don't know, so I hope that my somewhat simplified explanation helps a little. | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts? My thoughts are here we go again. Oh, and for what it's worth, transsexuals are women. Some of us even have a vagina. If you're offended, that's not our intention. Maybe guilty of being a little ignorant, but not for being offensive. The thing is, that this topic arises on here constantly and because everyone has different opinions there is never a consensus. I think that for many men being seen as less than totally straight diminishes their masculinity, which is an ongoing societal problem. Quite a few will also think that it may affect their chances of a meet, which is probably true. Although TV/TS is a single grouping on fab, it's a bit of an anachronism really, as there are quite distinct differences between the two groups. Even though many TVs also suffer from gender dysphoria to varying degrees, most are fairly content to remain male and dress only when they need to. Transsexuals see themselves as women (or men, in the case of transmen) and will usually live full-time as their preferred gender. The majority will seek medical intervention, such as cross-sex hormones, and quite a few will opt for surgery to correct their genitalia. I can all be a bit confusing for those who don't know, so I hope that my somewhat simplified explanation helps a little. " Said it better than I could have, absolutely agree 
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"oh God why do so many men on here hate to be tabled anything but straight? We are supposed to be swingers, hedonists, free thinkers not normal boring people yet so many are obsessed with boundaries and labels " Can't agree more. And I do worry that the OP is having an issue that you can't trust what Fabbers say? LOLOLOLOLOLOL | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts? We discuss this regularly, if a man is attracted to a tv/ts then it is generally the femininity he is attracted too, not the cock. So he is straight. Gay men are rarely attracted to full dress tv/ts so I rest my case. Tasmin. "Thanks for an insightful answer. | |||
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"I smoke cigarettes only when I’m drinking..... So I’m a non smoker....... A bit of an invalid comparison.. the thing is a lot of tgirls are girls (who were born male) but look and act and resemble WOMEN .. some have gone post op and have a vagina, some still are pre op. But essentially looks like a woman with attached a dick (sorry if it sounds rude). A lot of girls like me are very beautiful and more feminine than a lot of regulars.. Trust me, the target of people who have an interest or watch trans porn, are those that would identify as straight men. Fully bisexual men who are attracted to men and anything that is manly are another matter as they would find attractive a proper bloke. (Some like trans some don’t) I’d say the ones who take an interest in trans girls, usually are open minded straight men with fantasies. It’s 2020 and we are still pointing the finger on putting people in a box and telling them what they are
Thank you for your intelligent post..... I want to ask you a question that confuses me....
My definition of a gay sex is two people with a penis doing an act in which one or both of them cum..... What has changed in the world now , that this definition is now invalid?
Now for context, I’ve played with 100’s of couples in my swinging life... I’ve tried DP, DV , and have had the male half of the couple underneath me licking his wife’s clit while I’m having sex with her from behind..... So I’m by no means homophobic nor afraid of a naked man close to me during sex.....
Gay sex is two men having sex.
Tgirls even tho born male, and some having still a penis (some have had the operation to fully transition), are a different kind of girls. But still girls.
That’s how we identify, how we behave and how we want to be perceived.
A man that has sex with a man who’s a trans guy, has gay sex even tho he might still have a vagina and was born a female. It’s about how they feel and identify and how they have adapted their life.
A trans guy who falls in love with guy is in fact a gay guy. If a trans guy(female to male) likes women, then he’s a straight guy (who has transitioned)
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"oh God why do so many men on here hate to be tabled anything but straight? We are supposed to be swingers, hedonists, free thinkers not normal boring people yet so many are obsessed with boundaries and labels " Because there's a huge social stigma for a man to be anything but arrow straight. Definition: "Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behaviour toward both males and females, or to more than one sex or gender." So no, they're not straight, but they want to keep their privilege. And, as mentioned, they're often intentionally deceiving people which is disgraceful. "Fabs straight" is the derogatory term that I use. Bi erasure is a thing. Own your shit people! | |||
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"oh God why do so many men on here hate to be tabled anything but straight? We are supposed to be swingers, hedonists, free thinkers not normal boring people yet so many are obsessed with boundaries and labels Can't agree more. And I do worry that the OP is having an issue that you can't trust what Fabbers say? LOLOLOLOLOLOL" Well don't worry, it's more amusing yet sad seeing how people perceive themselves that they're something when they're CLEARLY not! | |||
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"It is surprising that in this day and age, people cannot accept their own sexuality. Everyone has the right to experiment if they so desire, but isn't that being curious? Therefore bi curious. Personally I don't care how a man is dressed, it's still a man and my sexuality doesn't include men. Therefore I consider myself straight. Those that are attracted to men dressed as women, TV/TS etc should just admit to themselves that is what they like. Rather than hiding behind the 'straight label'. They're not. " | |||
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"I’d say yes, at least in my experience, I guess it’s a curiosity and a lot of the time, it’s a fantasy as sex is very porn driver . I don’t believe that if someone that defines himself as straight , has sex with a girl like me, then he needs to be defined as bisexual or that he isn’t straight anymore. After all, I get attention because of how much I look like a “regular” girl Hence why I never get any attention from gay men as they like men to be men " I agree... Gay men never approach me.. I'm v femme and have the shape most would die for so I get hit on by loads of straight guys all the time | |||
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"I think it's a bit more complex than just disregarding and disrespting people's opinions/choices/identities and merely deeming them sad OP. What men don't want or like is narrow minded attitudes like yours. Seriously OP we get it, we've heard it all before, start realising that you are issue here, not them, they're getting on with life and getting laid in the process whilst you stay bitter and try to belittle them. Who wants that? It's so heartless! Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret? Sexuality is a spectrum and very very few fall at either end. Get over it! Your points just aren't valid ether OP, you don't want men that have ever been with ts/cd even if they're honest about it so it's not really about the lies is it otherwise why not make this post about men that lie about their age or their ex wives or how much money they earn? Why direct it at cd/ts? I'm getting that whiff again, I'm outta here, you're on your own! " yep, that whiff is hanging over this thread like a week old kipper.  | |||
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"Well I think it's plain for all to see here that the issue here goes way beyond honesty for you, EVERYONE you ever meet in your life will never be 100% honest about their past with you as quite frankly its none of your business. Just state on your profile that you don't wish to meet 'straight' guys who have had sex with anyone other than biological female and be clear that you're very strict about this and have a zero tolerance policy on it. I agree it's your right to want what you want just honest with yourself why you want what you want, what's underneath it aside from the lies you don't like? There are clearly many grey areas here, I really appreciate the straight men speaking out here on this whichever side of the fence you may fall, all points of view are respected and valid no matter if I agree with them. Live and let live! Swing for life! Be free from the shackles of a patriarchal dystopia I say! Thankfully I am never short of horny straight guys wanting some none judgemental fun xxx" There are many straight guys who wouldn't dream of having 'non-judgemental' fun with you, many. FACT! It's our business what preference we have to what type of guy we choose. So if he's having 'non-judgemental' sex with 'other men', it's OUR business to know. We're not on here for just ANYBODY, we're here for us & what we want, just like anybody else. EVERYBODY on here has a preference but yet you have a problem with ours....then you say 'all points of view are respected and valid no matter if I agree with them'. Some single men on here think that any man who has 'non-judgemental' fun with you aren't straight....but you respect that view but not ours...? | |||
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"I smoke cigarettes only when I’m drinking..... So I’m a non smoker....... A bit of an invalid comparison.. the thing is a lot of tgirls are girls (who were born male) but look and act and resemble WOMEN .. some have gone post op and have a vagina, some still are pre op. But essentially looks like a woman with attached a dick (sorry if it sounds rude). A lot of girls like me are very beautiful and more feminine than a lot of regulars.. Trust me, the target of people who have an interest or watch trans porn, are those that would identify as straight men. Fully bisexual men who are attracted to men and anything that is manly are another matter as they would find attractive a proper bloke. (Some like trans some don’t) I’d say the ones who take an interest in trans girls, usually are open minded straight men with fantasies. It’s 2020 and we are still pointing the finger on putting people in a box and telling them what they are
Thank you for your intelligent post..... I want to ask you a question that confuses me....
My definition of a gay sex is two people with a penis doing an act in which one or both of them cum..... What has changed in the world now , that this definition is now invalid?
Now for context, I’ve played with 100’s of couples in my swinging life... I’ve tried DP, DV , and have had the male half of the couple underneath me licking his wife’s clit while I’m having sex with her from behind..... So I’m by no means homophobic nor afraid of a naked man close to me during sex.....
Gay sex is two men having sex.
Tgirls even tho born male, and some having still a penis (some have had the operation to fully transition), are a different kind of girls. But still girls.
That’s how we identify, how we behave and how we want to be perceived.
A man that has sex with a man who’s a trans guy, has gay sex even tho he might still have a vagina and was born a female. It’s about how they feel and identify and how they have adapted their life.
A trans guy who falls in love with guy is in fact a gay guy. If a trans guy(female to male) likes women, then he’s a straight guy (who has transitioned)
I’m not trying to be funny, but I just want to make sure I’m comprehending what you just posted....
A trans male .. MTF = looks totally male in appearance but still has vagina .. Has sex with a man with a penis.... meaning the man’s penis goes into the trans male’s vagina.... this is a act of gay sex and both males are now gay.....
"Trans male just doesn’t look like a man, has a gender reassigned, is on testosterones, etc. I think some can even have a prosthetic penis. The act is gay because they both are considered male , and are attracted to each other because of masculinity. If they are both into dudes. Are you telling me if an actual WOMAN pegs a straight man, then he becomes (or is he a secret) gay? Jesus ...
You are focusing a bit too much on the organs
Would you fuck a woman that looks like the rock or Danny devito but has a vagina? I bet not, because that woman that looks like the rock, even tho has a vagina, probably isn’t your type because looks like a man..  | |||
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"I smoke cigarettes only when I’m drinking..... So I’m a non smoker....... A bit of an invalid comparison.. the thing is a lot of tgirls are girls (who were born male) but look and act and resemble WOMEN .. some have gone post op and have a vagina, some still are pre op. But essentially looks like a woman with attached a dick (sorry if it sounds rude). A lot of girls like me are very beautiful and more feminine than a lot of regulars.. Trust me, the target of people who have an interest or watch trans porn, are those that would identify as straight men. Fully bisexual men who are attracted to men and anything that is manly are another matter as they would find attractive a proper bloke. (Some like trans some don’t) I’d say the ones who take an interest in trans girls, usually are open minded straight men with fantasies. It’s 2020 and we are still pointing the finger on putting people in a box and telling them what they are
Thank you for your intelligent post..... I want to ask you a question that confuses me....
My definition of a gay sex is two people with a penis doing an act in which one or both of them cum..... What has changed in the world now , that this definition is now invalid?
Now for context, I’ve played with 100’s of couples in my swinging life... I’ve tried DP, DV , and have had the male half of the couple underneath me licking his wife’s clit while I’m having sex with her from behind..... So I’m by no means homophobic nor afraid of a naked man close to me during sex.....
Gay sex is two men having sex.
Tgirls even tho born male, and some having still a penis (some have had the operation to fully transition), are a different kind of girls. But still girls.
That’s how we identify, how we behave and how we want to be perceived.
A man that has sex with a man who’s a trans guy, has gay sex even tho he might still have a vagina and was born a female. It’s about how they feel and identify and how they have adapted their life.
A trans guy who falls in love with guy is in fact a gay guy. If a trans guy(female to male) likes women, then he’s a straight guy (who has transitioned)
I’m not trying to be funny, but I just want to make sure I’m comprehending what you just posted....
A trans male .. MTF = looks totally male in appearance but still has vagina .. Has sex with a man with a penis.... meaning the man’s penis goes into the trans male’s vagina.... this is a act of gay sex and both males are now gay.....
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"Well I think it's plain for all to see here that the issue here goes way beyond honesty for you, EVERYONE you ever meet in your life will never be 100% honest about their past with you as quite frankly its none of your business. Just state on your profile that you don't wish to meet 'straight' guys who have had sex with anyone other than biological female and be clear that you're very strict about this and have a zero tolerance policy on it. I agree it's your right to want what you want just honest with yourself why you want what you want, what's underneath it aside from the lies you don't like? There are clearly many grey areas here, I really appreciate the straight men speaking out here on this whichever side of the fence you may fall, all points of view are respected and valid no matter if I agree with them. Live and let live! Swing for life! Be free from the shackles of a patriarchal dystopia I say! Thankfully I am never short of horny straight guys wanting some none judgemental fun xxx There are many straight guys who wouldn't dream of having 'non-judgemental' fun with you, many. FACT! It's our business what preference we have to what type of guy we choose. So if he's having 'non-judgemental' sex with 'other men', it's OUR business to know. We're not on here for just ANYBODY, we're here for us & what we want, just like anybody else. EVERYBODY on here has a preference but yet you have a problem with ours....then you say 'all points of view are respected and valid no matter if I agree with them'. Some single men on here think that any man who has 'non-judgemental' fun with you aren't straight....but you respect that view but not ours...? "Thing is , you are on fab, and the sexual things people have done on here (bet some shagged anything, and I mean ANYTHING that moves...) , I believe some will not disclose half of it anyway for fear of being judged. Just have fun, if you see a guy with verifications from trans, move on and pick someone else if it really bothers you. Maybe you should invent a data base where people log all their sexual encounters with all the data/stats/when/where, for you guys to cross reference lol Might be the new FB | |||
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"I think it's a bit more complex than just disregarding and disrespting people's opinions/choices/identities and merely deeming them sad OP. What men don't want or like is narrow minded attitudes like yours. Seriously OP we get it, we've heard it all before, start realising that you are issue here, not them, they're getting on with life and getting laid in the process whilst you stay bitter and try to belittle them. Who wants that? It's so heartless! Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret? Sexuality is a spectrum and very very few fall at either end. Get over it! Your points just aren't valid ether OP, you don't want men that have ever been with ts/cd even if they're honest about it so it's not really about the lies is it otherwise why not make this post about men that lie about their age or their ex wives or how much money they earn? Why direct it at cd/ts? I'm getting that whiff again, I'm outta here, you're on your own! " So triggered! You have us so wrong! Who're we belittling? We don't want married guys either, is that a problem too? Guys who have fun with you are NOT scum. Never said that, never would, so stop the crap please! What're you getting so excited for? We have a preference, that's all! We don't want guys that have been with other men. We are not the ONLY couple who thinks this on this SWINGING site! & we're not going to be made to feel guilty about it either. 'Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret?' Exactly, we don't want guys like that. You've got us soooo wrong! | |||
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"Well I think it's plain for all to see here that the issue here goes way beyond honesty for you, EVERYONE you ever meet in your life will never be 100% honest about their past with you as quite frankly its none of your business. Just state on your profile that you don't wish to meet 'straight' guys who have had sex with anyone other than biological female and be clear that you're very strict about this and have a zero tolerance policy on it. I agree it's your right to want what you want just honest with yourself why you want what you want, what's underneath it aside from the lies you don't like? There are clearly many grey areas here, I really appreciate the straight men speaking out here on this whichever side of the fence you may fall, all points of view are respected and valid no matter if I agree with them. Live and let live! Swing for life! Be free from the shackles of a patriarchal dystopia I say! Thankfully I am never short of horny straight guys wanting some none judgemental fun xxx There are many straight guys who wouldn't dream of having 'non-judgemental' fun with you, many. FACT! It's our business what preference we have to what type of guy we choose. So if he's having 'non-judgemental' sex with 'other men', it's OUR business to know. We're not on here for just ANYBODY, we're here for us & what we want, just like anybody else. EVERYBODY on here has a preference but yet you have a problem with ours....then you say 'all points of view are respected and valid no matter if I agree with them'. Some single men on here think that any man who has 'non-judgemental' fun with you aren't straight....but you respect that view but not ours...?
Thing is , you are on fab, and the sexual things people have done on here (bet some shagged anything, and I mean ANYTHING that moves...) , I believe some will not disclose half of it anyway for fear of being judged. Just have fun, if you see a guy with verifications from trans, move on and pick someone else if it really bothers you. Maybe you should invent a data base where people log all their sexual encounters with all the data/stats/when/where, for you guys to cross reference lol
Might be the new FB "Might have to, considering this was a swingers site for swingers by swingers. Wonder what it's classification is now.. | |||
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"Still a lot of homophobia and transphobia in society, hence why people hide it. Social shaming, especially among men. Its rediculous really but still very strong stigma to playing with cock. " Stigma and social shaming is so more so for men who are into trans, men that find themselves to be into men, especially young ones, are more (thank GOD for this) accepted nowadays (im talking here in the U.K., obviously in Russia for example the situation is still bad) so it’s less pressure thankfully (tho I think the ones who are still in the closet that are older might still find it tough to live a life openly) | |||
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"Is a man still straight after having fabulous fun with cross-dressers, transvestites & transsexuals? So many straight men being verified this way & still claiming to be straight.. Thoughts? I think many confuse being straight as it can mean curious too. If you're genuinely straight then you're not curious. If you're curious you're not straight, you're curious. But then people interpret what they want to suit themselves or their thinking anyways, which makes distributions a bit of a farce in some places." Thanks for an insightful answer & not getting over excited about the question. | |||
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"If a man sleeps with another Man he ain’t straight ,even if the bloke is wearing a wig and ladies knickers there still a man and have a cock, the bloke is fucking a mans ass , people need to stop being delusional, I’m a gay male and the amount of straight men who message me asking for sex is shocking , if only people could be honest with themselves, homophobia would be a thing from the past , " Another person with a very insightful answer. Thank you. Wonder how the t-girls will respond to this. | |||
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"I think the real issue is that in the msm community, hiv and other sti are a greater risk, hence why people don't want the risk. Its just a statistical fact. Even now most hiv infections hi in the UK occur in msm community. Msm means men having sex with men. Doesn't matter whether you have knickers on or not, true, but it's much nicer "So we're not 'transphobic' as we've been accused of? Why didn't you correspond this in the first place..?  | |||
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"I think it's a bit more complex than just disregarding and disrespting people's opinions/choices/identities and merely deeming them sad OP. What men don't want or like is narrow minded attitudes like yours. Seriously OP we get it, we've heard it all before, start realising that you are issue here, not them, they're getting on with life and getting laid in the process whilst you stay bitter and try to belittle them. Who wants that? It's so heartless! Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret? Sexuality is a spectrum and very very few fall at either end. Get over it! Your points just aren't valid ether OP, you don't want men that have ever been with ts/cd even if they're honest about it so it's not really about the lies is it otherwise why not make this post about men that lie about their age or their ex wives or how much money they earn? Why direct it at cd/ts? I'm getting that whiff again, I'm outta here, you're on your own! So triggered! You have us so wrong! Who're we belittling? We don't want married guys either, is that a problem too? Guys who have fun with you are NOT scum. Never said that, never would, so stop the crap please! What're you getting so excited for? We have a preference, that's all! We don't want guys that have been with other men. We are not the ONLY couple who thinks this on this SWINGING site! & we're not going to be made to feel guilty about it either. 'Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret?' Exactly, we don't want guys like that. You've got us soooo wrong! " Got you so wrong? No this post just shows how full of shit youse are!!! Further up the post according to you it was because of them lying and now you’re showing exactly what it’s about. Nothing to do with lying | |||
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"I don't think a lot of women realise just how flexible a lot of men are sexualy. Loads like trans girls, it's a fact, and why not, they see in us, femeninity, which is what they are attracted to. " Let's be completely honest many guys see trans girls on here as easier options that real girls too.... They assume we are easy... Just men in knickers.... So are so can hardly blame the guys.... They just wanna get there rocks off lol | |||
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"I don't think a lot of women realise just how flexible a lot of men are sexualy. Loads like trans girls, it's a fact, and why not, they see in us, femeninity, which is what they are attracted to. Let's be completely honest many guys see trans girls on here as easier options that real girls too.... They assume we are easy... Just men in knickers.... So are so can hardly blame the guys.... They just wanna get there rocks off lol" That’s because a lot of men just need to nut quickly and are detached from the emotional bollocks many women require for sex in comparison. Much like why so many guys fuck anything with a pulse if they need to . The old line what goes on tour is very fitting for plenty of people . | |||
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"My thoughts are They are NOT straight, they are scared to admit it" Or they just run their profile tactically to try get better return on investment of fab . I know plenty of bi guys on here with two profiles one straight and one bi. So they can get a wider spread of potential meets . Just simply mathematics to them and averages | |||
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" Their profile, their life, they can describe themselves how they like. This is a site for people to explore a hedonistic lifestyle with casual acquaintances. Anything I don't like on a profile I skip over."
Perfectly put.
Looking at the bright side OP, you can use it as your filter/block, who not to meet.
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"If a man has sex with a man he’s not straight. Labels don’t matter but the fact that they try to hide it indicates some kind of shame involved which there obviously should not be. For me the fact that a bloke said he’s straight and meets men is more that he lies than he has sex with men. " | |||
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"I smoke cigarettes only when I’m drinking..... So I’m a non smoker....... A bit of an invalid comparison.. the thing is a lot of tgirls are girls (who were born male) but look and act and resemble WOMEN .. some have gone post op and have a vagina, some still are pre op. But essentially looks like a woman with attached a dick (sorry if it sounds rude). A lot of girls like me are very beautiful and more feminine than a lot of regulars.. Trust me, the target of people who have an interest or watch trans porn, are those that would identify as straight men. Fully bisexual men who are attracted to men and anything that is manly are another matter as they would find attractive a proper bloke. (Some like trans some don’t) I’d say the ones who take an interest in trans girls, usually are open minded straight men with fantasies. It’s 2020 and we are still pointing the finger on putting people in a box and telling them what they are
Thank you for your intelligent post..... I want to ask you a question that confuses me....
My definition of a gay sex is two people with a penis doing an act in which one or both of them cum..... What has changed in the world now , that this definition is now invalid?
Now for context, I’ve played with 100’s of couples in my swinging life... I’ve tried DP, DV , and have had the male half of the couple underneath me licking his wife’s clit while I’m having sex with her from behind..... So I’m by no means homophobic nor afraid of a naked man close to me during sex.....
Gay sex is two men having sex.
Tgirls even tho born male, and some having still a penis (some have had the operation to fully transition), are a different kind of girls. But still girls.
That’s how we identify, how we behave and how we want to be perceived.
A man that has sex with a man who’s a trans guy, has gay sex even tho he might still have a vagina and was born a female. It’s about how they feel and identify and how they have adapted their life.
A trans guy who falls in love with guy is in fact a gay guy. If a trans guy(female to male) likes women, then he’s a straight guy (who has transitioned)
I’m not trying to be funny, but I just want to make sure I’m comprehending what you just posted....
A trans male .. MTF = looks totally male in appearance but still has vagina .. Has sex with a man with a penis.... meaning the man’s penis goes into the trans male’s vagina.... this is a act of gay sex and both males are now gay.....
Trans male just doesn’t look like a man, has a gender reassigned, is on testosterones, etc. I think some can even have a prosthetic penis. The act is gay because they both are considered male , and are attracted to each other because of masculinity. If they are both into dudes.
Are you telling me if an actual WOMAN pegs a straight man, then he becomes (or is he a secret) gay? Jesus ...
You are focusing a bit too much on the organs
Would you fuck a woman that looks like the rock or Danny devito but has a vagina? I bet not, because that woman that looks like the rock, even tho has a vagina, probably isn’t your type because looks like a man.. "Thank you very much for trying to explain the new sexual landscape..... But let’s agree to disagree , so we don’t derail this thread..... | |||
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"I always like to flip things because standards are usually double ones. So if there are 2FF- I look female and let a masculine looking female give me oral and “peg me” but I don’t give it back, what am I?" Lucky!
Seriously though, one of my favourite sexual pastimes is pegging others, It doesn’t mean I want to be a man. Far from it but I have a strong masculine side when it comes to sex.
However, always glad to take off a 10” dildo. I would hate that attached to me 24/7!
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Don’t confuse those with a basic thought process over sexuality, if you mention being on a spectrum it truly fucks them up "This is spot on. The idea that I have selfish one way sex doesn’t work for me. I have found this a really enlightening thread. Learning to better understand these dynamics for a while. Ultimately we are all beautiful souls doing our best and I wish you all nothing but joy and non selfish lovers (unless that’s what you want!) xx | |||
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"I’d say yes, at least in my experience, I guess it’s a curiosity and a lot of the time, it’s a fantasy as sex is very porn driver . I don’t believe that if someone that defines himself as straight , has sex with a girl like me, then he needs to be defined as bisexual or that he isn’t straight anymore. After all, I get attention because of how much I look like a “regular” girl Hence why I never get any attention from gay men as they like men to be men " you are hot xx | |||
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Looking at the bright side OP, you can use it as your filter/block, who not to meet.
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"I think it's a bit more complex than just disregarding and disrespting people's opinions/choices/identities and merely deeming them sad OP. What men don't want or like is narrow minded attitudes like yours. Seriously OP we get it, we've heard it all before, start realising that you are issue here, not them, they're getting on with life and getting laid in the process whilst you stay bitter and try to belittle them. Who wants that? It's so heartless! Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret? Sexuality is a spectrum and very very few fall at either end. Get over it! Your points just aren't valid ether OP, you don't want men that have ever been with ts/cd even if they're honest about it so it's not really about the lies is it otherwise why not make this post about men that lie about their age or their ex wives or how much money they earn? Why direct it at cd/ts? I'm getting that whiff again, I'm outta here, you're on your own! So triggered! You have us so wrong! Who're we belittling? We don't want married guys either, is that a problem too? Guys who have fun with you are NOT scum. Never said that, never would, so stop the crap please! What're you getting so excited for? We have a preference, that's all! We don't want guys that have been with other men. We are not the ONLY couple who thinks this on this SWINGING site! & we're not going to be made to feel guilty about it either. 'Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret?' Exactly, we don't want guys like that. You've got us soooo wrong! Got you so wrong? No this post just shows how full of shit youse are!!! Further up the post according to you it was because of them lying and now you’re showing exactly what it’s about. Nothing to do with lying What a mixed bag of emotions you are! Lol We'll say it again, 'We don't want bisexual or bi-curious males'. it's that simple. Nothing to do with your dumb labelling that we're 'transphobic'. So again, stop your crap please! You're the most emotional person on here. Other t-girls haven't come at us like YOU! Good day! I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list. I’m surprised they haven’t popped up and spread their hate on this thread yet (still time). When you read their posts about guys in dresses or other Transgender people, you’ll realise how different this couple are. I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community, I don’t particularly want straight guys to message me, my preference. We need to remember that this site is for people to meet others they’d like to be more intimate with, if it’s a total turn off, then for me that should be respected. "We're confused. You put, ''I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list''. Then you put, ''I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community,..'' Did this couple show respect or disrespect? & are you being slightly verbally aggressive with us because of this couple? Because the last thing we want to do is be disrespectful to anyone....unless they are to us. Hey, everyday we are all still learning & as a couple, when wrong, we'll always stand to be CORRECTED! | |||
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"I think it's a bit more complex than just disregarding and disrespting people's opinions/choices/identities and merely deeming them sad OP. What men don't want or like is narrow minded attitudes like yours. Seriously OP we get it, we've heard it all before, start realising that you are issue here, not them, they're getting on with life and getting laid in the process whilst you stay bitter and try to belittle them. Who wants that? It's so heartless! Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret? Sexuality is a spectrum and very very few fall at either end. Get over it! Your points just aren't valid ether OP, you don't want men that have ever been with ts/cd even if they're honest about it so it's not really about the lies is it otherwise why not make this post about men that lie about their age or their ex wives or how much money they earn? Why direct it at cd/ts? I'm getting that whiff again, I'm outta here, you're on your own! So triggered! You have us so wrong! Who're we belittling? We don't want married guys either, is that a problem too? Guys who have fun with you are NOT scum. Never said that, never would, so stop the crap please! What're you getting so excited for? We have a preference, that's all! We don't want guys that have been with other men. We are not the ONLY couple who thinks this on this SWINGING site! & we're not going to be made to feel guilty about it either. 'Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret?' Exactly, we don't want guys like that. You've got us soooo wrong! Got you so wrong? No this post just shows how full of shit youse are!!! Further up the post according to you it was because of them lying and now you’re showing exactly what it’s about. Nothing to do with lying What a mixed bag of emotions you are! Lol We'll say it again, 'We don't want bisexual or bi-curious males'. it's that simple. Nothing to do with your dumb labelling that we're 'transphobic'. So again, stop your crap please! You're the most emotional person on here. Other t-girls haven't come at us like YOU! Good day! I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list. I’m surprised they haven’t popped up and spread their hate on this thread yet (still time). When you read their posts about guys in dresses or other Transgender people, you’ll realise how different this couple are. I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community, I don’t particularly want straight guys to message me, my preference. We need to remember that this site is for people to meet others they’d like to be more intimate with, if it’s a total turn off, then for me that should be respected.
We're confused. You put, ''I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list''.
Then you put, ''I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community,..''
Did this couple show respect or disrespect?
& are you being slightly verbally aggressive with us because of this couple? Because the last thing we want to do is be disrespectful to anyone....unless they are to us.
Hey, everyday we are all still learning & as a couple, when wrong, we'll always stand to be CORRECTED!"I’m saying, maybe not as clear as I’d attempted to be. That I don’t think you’re Transphobic. I used the other couple as an example as they often come on to these threads and will just be derogatory towards guys that crossdress. I checked the thread, you haven’t once said that you find out community disgusting or wrong. So to class you as Transphobic in my opinion is wrong. | |||
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"I think it's a bit more complex than just disregarding and disrespting people's opinions/choices/identities and merely deeming them sad OP. What men don't want or like is narrow minded attitudes like yours. Seriously OP we get it, we've heard it all before, start realising that you are issue here, not them, they're getting on with life and getting laid in the process whilst you stay bitter and try to belittle them. Who wants that? It's so heartless! Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret? Sexuality is a spectrum and very very few fall at either end. Get over it! Your points just aren't valid ether OP, you don't want men that have ever been with ts/cd even if they're honest about it so it's not really about the lies is it otherwise why not make this post about men that lie about their age or their ex wives or how much money they earn? Why direct it at cd/ts? I'm getting that whiff again, I'm outta here, you're on your own! So triggered! You have us so wrong! Who're we belittling? We don't want married guys either, is that a problem too? Guys who have fun with you are NOT scum. Never said that, never would, so stop the crap please! What're you getting so excited for? We have a preference, that's all! We don't want guys that have been with other men. We are not the ONLY couple who thinks this on this SWINGING site! & we're not going to be made to feel guilty about it either. 'Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret?' Exactly, we don't want guys like that. You've got us soooo wrong! Got you so wrong? No this post just shows how full of shit youse are!!! Further up the post according to you it was because of them lying and now you’re showing exactly what it’s about. Nothing to do with lying What a mixed bag of emotions you are! Lol We'll say it again, 'We don't want bisexual or bi-curious males'. it's that simple. Nothing to do with your dumb labelling that we're 'transphobic'. So again, stop your crap please! You're the most emotional person on here. Other t-girls haven't come at us like YOU! Good day! I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list. I’m surprised they haven’t popped up and spread their hate on this thread yet (still time). When you read their posts about guys in dresses or other Transgender people, you’ll realise how different this couple are. I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community, I don’t particularly want straight guys to message me, my preference. We need to remember that this site is for people to meet others they’d like to be more intimate with, if it’s a total turn off, then for me that should be respected.
We're confused. You put, ''I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list''.
Then you put, ''I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community,..''
Did this couple show respect or disrespect?
& are you being slightly verbally aggressive with us because of this couple? Because the last thing we want to do is be disrespectful to anyone....unless they are to us.
Hey, everyday we are all still learning & as a couple, when wrong, we'll always stand to be CORRECTED!
I’m saying, maybe not as clear as I’d attempted to be.
That I don’t think you’re Transphobic.
I used the other couple as an example as they often come on to these threads and will just be derogatory towards guys that crossdress.
I checked the thread, you haven’t once said that you find out community disgusting or wrong. So to class you as Transphobic in my opinion is wrong.
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"I think it's a bit more complex than just disregarding and disrespting people's opinions/choices/identities and merely deeming them sad OP. What men don't want or like is narrow minded attitudes like yours. Seriously OP we get it, we've heard it all before, start realising that you are issue here, not them, they're getting on with life and getting laid in the process whilst you stay bitter and try to belittle them. Who wants that? It's so heartless! Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret? Sexuality is a spectrum and very very few fall at either end. Get over it! Your points just aren't valid ether OP, you don't want men that have ever been with ts/cd even if they're honest about it so it's not really about the lies is it otherwise why not make this post about men that lie about their age or their ex wives or how much money they earn? Why direct it at cd/ts? I'm getting that whiff again, I'm outta here, you're on your own! So triggered! You have us so wrong! Who're we belittling? We don't want married guys either, is that a problem too? Guys who have fun with you are NOT scum. Never said that, never would, so stop the crap please! What're you getting so excited for? We have a preference, that's all! We don't want guys that have been with other men. We are not the ONLY couple who thinks this on this SWINGING site! & we're not going to be made to feel guilty about it either. 'Any wonder they seek solice in us and keep it secret?' Exactly, we don't want guys like that. You've got us soooo wrong! Got you so wrong? No this post just shows how full of shit youse are!!! Further up the post according to you it was because of them lying and now you’re showing exactly what it’s about. Nothing to do with lying What a mixed bag of emotions you are! Lol We'll say it again, 'We don't want bisexual or bi-curious males'. it's that simple. Nothing to do with your dumb labelling that we're 'transphobic'. So again, stop your crap please! You're the most emotional person on here. Other t-girls haven't come at us like YOU! Good day! I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list. I’m surprised they haven’t popped up and spread their hate on this thread yet (still time). When you read their posts about guys in dresses or other Transgender people, you’ll realise how different this couple are. I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community, I don’t particularly want straight guys to message me, my preference. We need to remember that this site is for people to meet others they’d like to be more intimate with, if it’s a total turn off, then for me that should be respected.
We're confused. You put, ''I know of one Transphobic couple on this site, they’re on my block list''.
Then you put, ''I double checked and failed to see where this couple have shown any disrespect or hatred towards our community,..''
Did this couple show respect or disrespect?
& are you being slightly verbally aggressive with us because of this couple? Because the last thing we want to do is be disrespectful to anyone....unless they are to us.
Hey, everyday we are all still learning & as a couple, when wrong, we'll always stand to be CORRECTED!
I’m saying, maybe not as clear as I’d attempted to be.
That I don’t think you’re Transphobic.
I used the other couple as an example as they often come on to these threads and will just be derogatory towards guys that crossdress.
I checked the thread, you haven’t once said that you find out community disgusting or wrong. So to class you as Transphobic in my opinion is wrong.
Very sorry, & thank you for the support, thought you was the same person who thought we were being disrespectful to the community.
But yes, maybe a little ignorant, but NEVER transphobic.
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"Can someone please explain this to me..... Caitlin Jenner formerly Bruce Jenner transition from male to female but only dates women.... So was Caitlin Jenner born in a male but was secretly a lesbian inside her head? The reason I’m confused is because if you like having sex with women... Why would a male go through transition surgery just to keep having sex with women? She’s a LESBIAN trans woman because she likes women and IS a woman! Scrap the fact that he used to be Bruce, when he used to be Bruce then for the world, he was a STRAIGHT man. But then he had the need to reassign his gender as Bruce then, felt in fact was a she. Kathleen. Not hard to understand really Also I might add, on your question why would Bruce have gone through that process Well you don’t have gender disphoria, so you have no idea how it feels to be born in the wrong gender and how you identify yourself... sexuality (so being attracted to) is different from gender! (how you identify yourself) Majority of people including gay, don’t have the gender disphoria and feel happy with the way they were born (male or female).. some don’t. Hopefully it explained a bit more Must say, your posts have been very insightful on this thread. Thank you! "Yes , she is really doing a great job..... I’ve learned so much ..... now I can start communicating with some of my students with some knowledge..... | |||
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"Can someone please explain this to me..... Caitlin Jenner formerly Bruce Jenner transition from male to female but only dates women.... So was Caitlin Jenner born in a male but was secretly a lesbian inside her head? The reason I’m confused is because if you like having sex with women... Why would a male go through transition surgery just to keep having sex with women? She’s a LESBIAN trans woman because she likes women and IS a woman! Scrap the fact that he used to be Bruce, when he used to be Bruce then for the world, he was a STRAIGHT man. But then he had the need to reassign his gender as Bruce then, felt in fact was a she. Kathleen. Not hard to understand really Also I might add, on your question why would Bruce have gone through that process Well you don’t have gender disphoria, so you have no idea how it feels to be born in the wrong gender and how you identify yourself... sexuality (so being attracted to) is different from gender! (how you identify yourself) Majority of people including gay, don’t have the gender disphoria and feel happy with the way they were born (male or female).. some don’t. Hopefully it explained a bit more Must say, your posts have been very insightful on this thread. Thank you!
Yes , she is really doing a great job..... I’ve learned so much ..... now I can start communicating with some of my students with some knowledge....."Nice sarcasm..... guess no matter what any of us say, you will always have your opinion But let me tell you this, you are lucky that you have no idea how it feels to be born in the wrong body! And it’s hard that some no matter what, tell us that we are wrong or a mistake or whatever... | |||
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"Can someone please explain this to me..... Caitlin Jenner formerly Bruce Jenner transition from male to female but only dates women.... So was Caitlin Jenner born in a male but was secretly a lesbian inside her head? The reason I’m confused is because if you like having sex with women... Why would a male go through transition surgery just to keep having sex with women? She’s a LESBIAN trans woman because she likes women and IS a woman! Scrap the fact that he used to be Bruce, when he used to be Bruce then for the world, he was a STRAIGHT man. But then he had the need to reassign his gender as Bruce then, felt in fact was a she. Kathleen. Not hard to understand really Also I might add, on your question why would Bruce have gone through that process Well you don’t have gender disphoria, so you have no idea how it feels to be born in the wrong gender and how you identify yourself... sexuality (so being attracted to) is different from gender! (how you identify yourself) Majority of people including gay, don’t have the gender disphoria and feel happy with the way they were born (male or female).. some don’t. Hopefully it explained a bit more Must say, your posts have been very insightful on this thread. Thank you!
Yes , she is really doing a great job..... I’ve learned so much ..... now I can start communicating with some of my students with some knowledge.....
Nice sarcasm..... guess no matter what any of us say, you will always have your opinion
But let me tell you this, you are lucky that you have no idea how it feels to be born in the wrong body! And it’s hard that some no matter what, tell us that we are wrong or a mistake or whatever... "Honestly , I was coming from a good place.... The only way to stop hate and discrimination is to educate the masses..... | |||
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