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"Well I wasn't aware you could get sti from oral.... I've done oral and swallowed without a condom...." now there you go. you live nand learn, thats why a lot of working girls only give O with a condom. | |||
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"Well I wasn't aware you could get sti from oral.... I've done oral and swallowed without a condom.... now there you go. you live nand learn, thats why a lot of working girls only give O with a condom. " Certainly food for thought! | |||
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"Well I wasn't aware you could get sti from oral.... I've done oral and swallowed without a condom.... now there you go. you live nand learn, thats why a lot of working girls only give O with a condom. " quote from govt website 'Chlamydia can be transmitted during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Chlamydia can also be passed from an infected mother to her baby during vaginal childbirth. Any sexually active person can be infected with chlamydia. The greater the number of sex partners, the greater the risk of infection. Because the cervix (opening to the uterus) of teenage girls and young women is not fully matured and is probably more susceptible to infection, they are at particularly high risk for infection if sexually active. Since chlamydia can be transmitted by oral or anal sex, men who have sex with men are also at risk for chlamydial infection' | |||
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"avoid pregnancy" so if you were taking other precautions you would have BB sex?? | |||
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"I live on a main A road, due to parking restrictions, I have to park my car on the opposite side to where I live. Now I can walk 5 minutes down the road and use the footbridge to cross the road, and get my car. Or I can judge the traffic and walk across the road to my car. I've assessed the risks of walking across the road as opposed to using the bridge. In 3 years, I've never been close to being hit, never caused a driver to break sharply, never been sworn at for using the road inappropriately. My housemates have been doing the same for 6 years, and again have never had a problem. Yes, certain STI's can be caught through oral sex, however, the risk is a lot smaller than through unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Many have to have a route into your body, eg cuts, ulcers, bleeding gums, if these aren't present, then the stomach acid usually kills them before they get anywhere near the blood stream. It's all about assessing risks for me. Theoretically I have more chance of being hit by a car, seeing as I cross the A127 in the unsafe manner several times a day, then I have of catching an STI through unprotected oral, something I do rarely. " you would be surprised i am afraid to say. you assess the risk of crossing the road because you can avoid things you can see coming, likes cars!!! you cant see STis in most cases. i know a few people who have caught sti from oral only so i think the risk is a little greater than you think. i knew a working girl who never had sex unprotected sex but had a few doses of chlamydia and gonhorea and no, she wasnt doing loads of tricks a day... | |||
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"I'm going on information from my sexual health clinic. I'm well aware that most STI's can not be seen. The fact that I have been giving unprotected oral since I was 16, and have never caught anything, is enough of a risk assessment for me. However, the one time I had sex without a condom I got pregnant. Therefore I use condoms now every time I have vaginal sex. And anal, although before you point it out to me, I'm well aware I cannot get pregnant through anal sex. " i had never had a car accident until last year but when i did it nearly killed me... still, everyones entitled to a choice. | |||
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"I live on a main A road, due to parking restrictions, I have to park my car on the opposite side to where I live. Now I can walk 5 minutes down the road and use the footbridge to cross the road, and get my car. Or I can judge the traffic and walk across the road to my car. I've assessed the risks of walking across the road as opposed to using the bridge. In 3 years, I've never been close to being hit, never caused a driver to break sharply, never been sworn at for using the road inappropriately. My housemates have been doing the same for 6 years, and again have never had a problem. Yes, certain STI's can be caught through oral sex, however, the risk is a lot smaller than through unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Many have to have a route into your body, eg cuts, ulcers, bleeding gums, if these aren't present, then the stomach acid usually kills them before they get anywhere near the blood stream. It's all about assessing risks for me. Theoretically I have more chance of being hit by a car, seeing as I cross the A127 in the unsafe manner several times a day, then I have of catching an STI through unprotected oral, something I do rarely. you would be surprised i am afraid to say. you assess the risk of crossing the road because you can avoid things you can see coming, likes cars!!! you cant see STis in most cases. i know a few people who have caught sti from oral only so i think the risk is a little greater than you think. i knew a working girl who never had sex unprotected sex but had a few doses of chlamydia and gonhorea and no, she wasnt doing loads of tricks a day..." yes but working girls with all due respect come into contact with high risk groups of people by defintion if u visit someone who has sex with lots of different people most days of the week there risk is going to be higher to catch something this is not rocket science | |||
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"really u know this do u i suggest u go back and read and look at the odds of transmitting things orally " yes i do know. as i have said in previous posts i know people who have caught sti from oral. i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.. go to the GUM clinic at our local hospital and there is poster about 6 foot high warning of the risk of STI from oral sex. the chances of dying in a plane crash are low, yet every day someone does... i just asked what peoples thoughts were. | |||
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"I live on a main A road, due to parking restrictions, I have to park my car on the opposite side to where I live. Now I can walk 5 minutes down the road and use the footbridge to cross the road, and get my car. Or I can judge the traffic and walk across the road to my car. I've assessed the risks of walking across the road as opposed to using the bridge. In 3 years, I've never been close to being hit, never caused a driver to break sharply, never been sworn at for using the road inappropriately. My housemates have been doing the same for 6 years, and again have never had a problem. Yes, certain STI's can be caught through oral sex, however, the risk is a lot smaller than through unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Many have to have a route into your body, eg cuts, ulcers, bleeding gums, if these aren't present, then the stomach acid usually kills them before they get anywhere near the blood stream. It's all about assessing risks for me. Theoretically I have more chance of being hit by a car, seeing as I cross the A127 in the unsafe manner several times a day, then I have of catching an STI through unprotected oral, something I do rarely. you would be surprised i am afraid to say. you assess the risk of crossing the road because you can avoid things you can see coming, likes cars!!! you cant see STis in most cases. i know a few people who have caught sti from oral only so i think the risk is a little greater than you think. i knew a working girl who never had sex unprotected sex but had a few doses of chlamydia and gonhorea and no, she wasnt doing loads of tricks a day... yes but working girls with all due respect come into contact with high risk groups of people by defintion if u visit someone who has sex with lots of different people most days of the week there risk is going to be higher to catch something this is not rocket science " true...but she wasnt a girl who did tricks every day and also a lot of punters dont actualy have many sexual partners which is why they pay for sex., but then arent some swingers in a similar catagory?? read some veries and there are people on here with multiple sex partners so swinging has no less risk than some working girls. | |||
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"I do BB oral and NOT BB penetrative either anal (on the rare times I do anal) or vaginal. I get checked regularly and have never caught anything so I'll carry on in the same frame of mind that I've had for the last 9 years that I've been having sex! " so if you did catch something would that change??? as they say there is a first time for everything.. | |||
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"ok i think u will find i know better i have a job in this kind of thing and have only found a few who believe they have contracted it through oral its quite rare " aahh so you admit its possible then...? i know its a numbers game and i was interested to get opinions. obviously people think the extra pleasure outweighs the risk of catching something. i dont claim to be an expert i just read what i read. | |||
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"I live on a main A road, due to parking restrictions, I have to park my car on the opposite side to where I live. Now I can walk 5 minutes down the road and use the footbridge to cross the road, and get my car. Or I can judge the traffic and walk across the road to my car. I've assessed the risks of walking across the road as opposed to using the bridge. In 3 years, I've never been close to being hit, never caused a driver to break sharply, never been sworn at for using the road inappropriately. My housemates have been doing the same for 6 years, and again have never had a problem. Yes, certain STI's can be caught through oral sex, however, the risk is a lot smaller than through unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Many have to have a route into your body, eg cuts, ulcers, bleeding gums, if these aren't present, then the stomach acid usually kills them before they get anywhere near the blood stream. It's all about assessing risks for me. Theoretically I have more chance of being hit by a car, seeing as I cross the A127 in the unsafe manner several times a day, then I have of catching an STI through unprotected oral, something I do rarely. you would be surprised i am afraid to say. you assess the risk of crossing the road because you can avoid things you can see coming, likes cars!!! you cant see STis in most cases. i know a few people who have caught sti from oral only so i think the risk is a little greater than you think. i knew a working girl who never had sex unprotected sex but had a few doses of chlamydia and gonhorea and no, she wasnt doing loads of tricks a day... yes but working girls with all due respect come into contact with high risk groups of people by defintion if u visit someone who has sex with lots of different people most days of the week there risk is going to be higher to catch something this is not rocket science true...but she wasnt a girl who did tricks every day and also a lot of punters dont actualy have many sexual partners which is why they pay for sex., but then arent some swingers in a similar catagory?? read some veries and there are people on here with multiple sex partners so swinging has no less risk than some working girls. " u could be completely rite but what i would like to know if u have this view just always use a condom and respect others views to do as they wish. we all r responsible for our own health people who smoke know they r at risk of cancer people who do bareback know there risks and if u do oral without a condom u know the risk so do most swingers know the risk they take not really sure what u hope to gain by this thread. as to me u r seeming judgmental of swingers who 'have mulitple partners' | |||
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"ok i think u will find i know better i have a job in this kind of thing and have only found a few who believe they have contracted it through oral its quite rare aahh so you admit its possible then...? i know its a numbers game and i was interested to get opinions. obviously people think the extra pleasure outweighs the risk of catching something. i dont claim to be an expert i just read what i read." yes its possible to cpntact it i don't believe i ever said it wasn't i just said its unlikely but again my risk is mine u can chose to have no risk the choice is upto them people surely ? | |||
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"chocolate,alcohol,meat,motorcycles,smoking,sex.....is there anything left thats enjoyable which isnt fraught with severe danger.......??????? quit the smoking....but that's as far as i'm going!!!!!!!!!!" i like all but one of them and am no way giving up things i like | |||
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"ok i think u will find i know better i have a job in this kind of thing and have only found a few who believe they have contracted it through oral its quite rare aahh so you admit its possible then...? i know its a numbers game and i was interested to get opinions. obviously people think the extra pleasure outweighs the risk of catching something. i dont claim to be an expert i just read what i read. yes its possible to cpntact it i don't believe i ever said it wasn't i just said its unlikely but again my risk is mine u can chose to have no risk the choice is upto them people surely ? " i agree entirely, i am not falling out with anyone i was just interested to know what people thought. i much prefer oral without and do practice it. there are some on her though that seem so vehemently against BB yet still do CIM. just a thought that was all.. | |||
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"Op do you always wear a condom? Just nosy lol Sj x " no, not for oral. i know the odds and percentages but from some comments i dont think everyone is aware of the risks of Oral without and was interested to know what people thought.. certainly raised awareness tho hasnt it?? lol | |||
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" DOnt have sex with a woman who demands you pay her then. All sorts of nasties in those that do." That's rubbish really... As most take more care of sexual health than most of us on here. Cali | |||
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"really u know this do u i suggest u go back and read and look at the odds of transmitting things orally yes i do know. as i have said in previous posts i know people who have caught sti from oral. i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.. " I have cut off the rest of what kenny said because its not relevant to the main point.... the last sentence is the important one.... "i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.." so why are you presenting the risk as being the same when it isn't... see...the crossing the road example is the one I always use... Crossing a road is always a risk whenever you do it, and potentially it can lead to death whichever, but it is managing that risk that is the whole issue... there is going to be a difference in risk between crossing a road at a zebra crossing... and crossing the road on a 6 lane motorway again... risk management.... | |||
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"really u know this do u i suggest u go back and read and look at the odds of transmitting things orally yes i do know. as i have said in previous posts i know people who have caught sti from oral. i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.. I have cut off the rest of what kenny said because its not relevant to the main point.... the last sentence is the important one.... "i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.." so why are you presenting the risk as being the same when it isn't... see...the crossing the road example is the one I always use... Crossing a road is always a risk whenever you do it, and potentially it can lead to death whichever, but it is managing that risk that is the whole issue... there is going to be a difference in risk between crossing a road at a zebra crossing... and crossing the road on a 6 lane motorway again... risk management...." I agree with risk management. If a man's cock looked like it was just about to drop off, I wouldn't go anywhere near it. However, I see no point in oral sex with a condom. I have been asked to do this before, and have declined/ended the meet. If I wanted to suck a cock in a condom, I would just get a dildo. | |||
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"If anything this thread shows that the majority of folks here are ignorant to the reality of the situation. It's quite scary really." I think to be fair that threads like this just serve as a reminder.. if your clinic or doctors knows you are a swinger then you will automatically be offered throat swabs. I think though that people get to heated over what others are doing or not doing.. But the thing is...Oral sex is something I am never going to do with a condom.. I like to feel and taste the cock in my mouth.. and love the taste and feel of cum in my mouth or all over my face. I am perhaps in the higher risk on here because of the fact I like multiple guys orally in one session... but I do get myself checked. and am up front about it. I have seen guys that I have met that have asked me to go bare comment on these threads.. makes me smile. Cali | |||
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"If anything this thread shows that the majority of folks here are ignorant to the reality of the situation. It's quite scary really." in what way??? could you explain further? | |||
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"thats it im never having sex again " lol | |||
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"I'm surprised some people swing! " It should be a 'licensed' risk sport by the looks of things Ffs! | |||
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" DOnt have sex with a woman who demands you pay her then. All sorts of nasties in those that do. That's rubbish really... As most take more care of sexual health than most of us on here. Cali " You serious? Sex workers either have a drug habit or love the money. Both compromise on safety when wads of cash are waved in front of them. A regular worker will come across at least 2-3 punters a week. How many of these guys are clean do you think? | |||
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" DOnt have sex with a woman who demands you pay her then. All sorts of nasties in those that do. That's rubbish really... As most take more care of sexual health than most of us on here. Cali You serious? Sex workers either have a drug habit or love the money. Both compromise on safety when wads of cash are waved in front of them. A regular worker will come across at least 2-3 punters a week. How many of these guys are clean do you think?" 2-3 a week??! That amused me. So how 'clean' are the people you've had sex with? Or the people that they had sex with? Ahhhh ok...... Only sex workers get std's....... Swingers don't as they are all 'clean'.... ??! | |||
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"Well I wasn't aware you could get sti from oral.... I've done oral and swallowed without a condom.... now there you go. you live nand learn, thats why a lot of working girls only give O with a condom. " so you have been told .... lols | |||
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"I'm surprised some people swing! It should be a 'licensed' risk sport by the looks of things Ffs!" My point exactly! I think some people thought this was Fabwaytoheaven.com! We ALL no the risks, from married people cheating on unsuspecting partners to those barebacking with strangers and all points in between. We ALL no the only way to mitigate against any STD is NO sex. However, as most of us on here are seeking NSA sex with strangers we've already made our own risk assessment. Belabouring the point is akin to joining smokers in a smoking booth and complaining about the smoke and lecturing them about contracting lung cancer. If you want to wear a haz mat suit for sex, good for you, some of us have been around the block a couple of times, managed to take as much precautions as we can, find our own way to the GUM clinic and STILL manage to have fun...without contracting anything! | |||
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" DOnt have sex with a woman who demands you pay her then. All sorts of nasties in those that do. That's rubbish really... As most take more care of sexual health than most of us on here. Cali You serious? Sex workers either have a drug habit or love the money. Both compromise on safety when wads of cash are waved in front of them. A regular worker will come across at least 2-3 punters a week. How many of these guys are clean do you think? 2-3 a week??! That amused me. So how 'clean' are the people you've had sex with? Or the people that they had sex with? Ahhhh ok...... Only sex workers get std's....... Swingers don't as they are all 'clean'.... ??! " so many prejudiced and frankly short sighted people on here. ' sex workers either have a drug habit or love the money' ??? WHAT ?? i am sorry but i have used sex workers and to be honest most of them are the cleanests and most careful ones around. i only go safe with them and in most cases they insist anyway and that is for oral too. You will far more chance catching something from a swinger on here than most sex workers, as oral without seems common practice amongst swingers but not necessariy with escorts etc. yes i agree, go pick up a street walker on a corner and they may have a habit but a hell of a lot of independent escorts are more than clean and also do it because they love the sex and the money is a secondary issue. i know a guy who offered and escort £1000 yes £1000 for bareback with an escort and she still refused. please dont paint evry sex worker with the same brush. | |||
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"really u know this do u i suggest u go back and read and look at the odds of transmitting things orally yes i do know. as i have said in previous posts i know people who have caught sti from oral. i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.. I have cut off the rest of what kenny said because its not relevant to the main point.... the last sentence is the important one.... "i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.." so why are you presenting the risk as being the same when it isn't... see...the crossing the road example is the one I always use... Crossing a road is always a risk whenever you do it, and potentially it can lead to death whichever, but it is managing that risk that is the whole issue... there is going to be a difference in risk between crossing a road at a zebra crossing... and crossing the road on a 6 lane motorway again... risk management...." i havent at any point presented the case of the risk being the same. i have just asked what people thought about it. from some of the posts i think some people are unaware, or in some cases deny, that there is any risk at all and this is simply not the case.its about risk assessment not management and crossing the road isnt a valid arguement because we assess the risk from what we see, ie cars and volume of traffic, crossing points etc etc. you cannot see an STI in most cases therefore it is not risk management it is a mere percentages game, ie a straight mathematical gamble. yes the odds are a lot lower and i have agreed all along but it is still possible to catch STI from oral. They cannot possibly calculate the percentage because most peopel who catch something have both oral and full sex. so who knows how they caught it. you are not managing the risk though if you choose to have unsafe sex or oral, you are simply playing the percentage game. and soemtimes you win and sometimes you will lose..... | |||
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"really u know this do u i suggest u go back and read and look at the odds of transmitting things orally yes i do know. as i have said in previous posts i know people who have caught sti from oral. i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.. I have cut off the rest of what kenny isaid because its not relevant to the main point.... the last sentence is the important one.... "i know the odds are a lot less but it is still possible.." so why are you presenting the risk as being the same when it isn't... see...the crossing the road example is the one I always use... Crossing a road is always a risk whenever you do it, and potentially it can lead to death whichever, but it is managing that risk that is the whole issue... there is going to be a difference in risk between crossing a road at a zebra crossing... and crossing the road on a 6 lane motorway again... risk management.... i havent at any point presented the case of the risk being the same. i have just asked what people thought about it. from some of the posts i think some people are unaware, or in some cases deny, that there is any risk at all and this is simply not the case.its about risk assessment not management and crossing the road isnt a valid arguement because we assess the risk from what we see, ie cars and volume of traffic, crossing points etc etc. you cannot see an STI in most cases therefore it is not risk management it is a mere percentages game, ie a straight mathematical gamble. yes the odds are a lot lower and i have agreed all along but it is still possible to catch STI from oral. They cannot possibly calculate the percentage because most peopel who catch something have both oral and full sex. so who knows how they caught it. you are not managing the risk though if you choose to have unsafe sex or oral, you are simply playing the percentage game. and soemtimes you win and sometimes you will lose....." | |||
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"Is this the health and safety page??" It appears so Wolfie Either that or the do as I say not as I do thread. | |||
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"Before anyone points the finger of blame and accusation at anyone, they should make sure their hands are clean. This subject has been flogged to death and always ends up going sour. Anyone entering into sexual play with others are at some sort of risk no matter if they use condoms or not. Its a case of choosing wisely who you play with and how. " valid point but how do you determmine WHO you with??? you cannot make a wise decision as to who may or may not have an STI.... you van make a guesstimate at best. the cleansest and healthiest looking person can be carrying. the only wise decision one can make is condoms for everything, full stop.. | |||
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" i havent at any point presented the case of the risk being the same. i have just asked what people thought about it. from some of the posts i think some people are unaware, or in some cases deny, that there is any risk at all and this is simply not the case.its about risk assessment not management and crossing the road isnt a valid arguement because we assess the risk from what we see, ie cars and volume of traffic, crossing points etc etc. you cannot see an STI in most cases therefore it is not risk management it is a mere percentages game, ie a straight mathematical gamble. yes the odds are a lot lower and i have agreed all along but it is still possible to catch STI from oral. They cannot possibly calculate the percentage because most peopel who catch something have both oral and full sex. so who knows how they caught it. you are not managing the risk though if you choose to have unsafe sex or oral, you are simply playing the percentage game. and soemtimes you win and sometimes you will lose....." but again.... if you are talking about bareback sex and bareback oral in the same breath then you ARE presenting the risks as being the same.... why do people do one, and not do the other.... possible because they have look at the risks involved with doing both and have decided in their own minds that one is more "risky" than the other... again it comes down to "risk management"..... lets use another example to try and get this thru... the odds of being struck by lightening in the uk are actually 1 in 3,000,000... I happen to know someone who has... don't worry they survived.... now... knowing this.... do I make the decision never to go outside ever again??? | |||
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"This is flippant before you go off on one but are you a sales representative for durex?? " lol... no i am not. i merely posed the question to stimulate debate, if people read the original post they will see that. i am not preaching to people i have just stated medical fact. if some choose to accept the risk then that is their choice. i dont always use condoms for oral FFS because i know the risks are lower but it is still a risk whichever way you look at it...... that is a fact...proven and tested. its interesting to see some posters getting irate about it. usually because of denial and lack of the full facts. what the hell... most STIs are treatable with a dose of pills but only if detected... many people carry STIs without any symptoms... and especially for women it can be a problem as it can cause pelvic inflammatory disease which can lead to infertilty... and before anyone thinks iam trying to scaremonger dont go off on one. i am merely stating fact.. and yes the chances are small... but dont use analogies like crossing the road and walking down the street etc because they just dont hold up. SYIs are invisilble cars aint.... anyway, i think i have stimulated enough debate on this one. onwards and upwards and everyone have fun whatever and whichever way you choose to do so.... | |||
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"Before anyone points the finger of blame and accusation at anyone, they should make sure their hands are clean. This subject has been flogged to death and always ends up going sour. Anyone entering into sexual play with others are at some sort of risk no matter if they use condoms or not. Its a case of choosing wisely who you play with and how. valid point but how do you determmine WHO you with??? you cannot make a wise decision as to who may or may not have an STI.... you van make a guesstimate at best. the cleansest and healthiest looking person can be carrying. the only wise decision one can make is condoms for everything, full stop.." It would be at the discretion of those involved. Would it stop you if Pamela Anderson asked to suck your cock without a rubber on? | |||
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"Before anyone points the finger of blame and accusation at anyone, they should make sure their hands are clean. This subject has been flogged to death and always ends up going sour. Anyone entering into sexual play with others are at some sort of risk no matter if they use condoms or not. Its a case of choosing wisely who you play with and how. valid point but how do you determmine WHO you with??? you cannot make a wise decision as to who may or may not have an STI.... you van make a guesstimate at best. the cleansest and healthiest looking person can be carrying. the only wise decision one can make is condoms for everything, full stop.. It would be at the discretion of those involved. Would it stop you if Pamela Anderson asked to suck your cock without a rubber on?" to be honest i wouldnt do pammy if she begged me to be honest cos i hate plastic women. but i know the risks and i make my decisions like everyone else, and yes as i have already said i do sometimes practice BB sex and oral. havent at any point in the thread said otherwise. it just seems that some get irate and start arguing against fact because they practice OWO and think i am telling them off... which i aint. however the facts are there to be seen. the cases of STI among the over 40s. which is probably where most swingers are have risen dramaticaly in the last few years... | |||
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"if we are looking at oral risks then surely there is the same risk to men giving a woman oral ? alot of comments just mentioning women giving men oral so - does that mean that a woman has to wear a female condom and have her clit cleaned with alcohol before fun can commence ? hahaha " very good point. no the risks arent as high for a man to catch sti giving oral to a woman, but they can get it from receiving oral if a woman has given oral to another man in same situation., ie MMF and can pass it from one man to the other. bacteria gets into the urethra in the man casusing urethritis most commonly caused by the Chlamydia germ. a lot of men will get symptoms and be treated but not always and it can spread to the testicles via the epididimis. quite rare but does happen. this causes orchitis or 'swollen bollock' in laymans terms which , i believe excrutiatingly painful. | |||
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"The reason I used Pamela Anderson is because she is a good loking woman, successful, famous and rich and most men would love a night of passion with her. She also has Hepatitus C. It would be at the discretion of the people willing to enter into any sexual play with her knowing she has H C or not. Nobody can be 100% safe, be it in vanilla life or sex life. " agree entirely.. interesting debate though.. jeez. i drive fast, eat chips i am an extreme skier so i know about risk taking. i just love a good debate. in fact i was haing a mass debate myself this morning.. | |||
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" You serious? Sex workers either have a drug habit or love the money. Both compromise on safety when wads of cash are waved in front of them. A regular worker will come across at least 2-3 punters a week. How many of these guys are clean do you think?" 2-3 a week... As a swinger I meet more than that when meeting... And yes I was serious... If you read most escorts profiles they state no cim, and oral with condoms... I know more swingers that will do oral without than escorts. Unless of course your talking the street walkers which are often different. There are risks with everything sexual... But for me the risks of oral bb its minimal.... I get tested often because of how much we normally play... It's not unheard of for me to have met 50plus guys in a month (via club and cinema.) All of them I'll have had bb oral with... But I'd say less than 5 I'll have had sex with And none bb vaginal sex... I always taste the cum....be it directly into my mouth or licking it from fingers.... But I've never as yet caught anything... So I'd say to me the risks are low enough for me to carry on my lifestyle.. I dont worry.. I just get checked..and keep myself up to date with the risks.... Cali | |||
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" You serious? Sex workers either have a drug habit or love the money. Both compromise on safety when wads of cash are waved in front of them. A regular worker will come across at least 2-3 punters a week. How many of these guys are clean do you think? 2-3 a week... As a swinger I meet more than that when meeting... And yes I was serious... If you read most escorts profiles they state no cim, and oral with condoms... I know more swingers that will do oral without than escorts. Unless of course your talking the street walkers which are often different. There are risks with everything sexual... But for me the risks of oral bb its minimal.... I get tested often because of how much we normally play... It's not unheard of for me to have met 50plus guys in a month (via club and cinema.) All of them I'll have had bb oral with... But I'd say less than 5 I'll have had sex with And none bb vaginal sex... I always taste the cum....be it directly into my mouth or licking it from fingers.... But I've never as yet caught anything... So I'd say to me the risks are low enough for me to carry on my lifestyle.. I dont worry.. I just get checked..and keep myself up to date with the risks.... Cali " that is the sort of debate i intended to start. interestingly though, if, and i sincerely hope you dont, you did catch an sti would it change your mind or would you still continue with OWO?? | |||
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"For the people that get checked ..... What will you do if test(s) come back positive? I.e. you have std(s)??" Stop playing while I'm treated... Inform anyone that I needed too.. wait for the all clear... Then carry on.. Same as I do when I'm not well with anything else. I won't even play when I have a cold... Yes I'm aware that with some things I may not get better... But we would just adapt. Cali | |||
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"For the people that get checked ..... What will you do if test(s) come back positive? I.e. you have std(s)?? Stop playing while I'm treated... Inform anyone that I needed too.. wait for the all clear... Then carry on.. Same as I do when I'm not well with anything else. I won't even play when I have a cold... Yes I'm aware that with some things I may not get better... But we would just adapt. Cali " Thank you, was just wondering. Interesting that no-one else replied. You always give a fair and honest answer, I like that. | |||
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"To op think I answered the would it change my mind if I caught something on my other post.... I am on very good terms with my clinic and doctor... I keep myself up to date with risks... Treatments... Things they can offer to reduce the risks etc... I see it as a risk of my lifestyle.... And if I was unlucky enough to catch something that depending on what it was would be how I'd carry on... But for me it would be about honesty.... I won't say I always play safe because we don't... That enables others to make there own decisions about meeting. It's rare in a multiple situation to ever have a guy refuse to let me suck him even though I'm covered in cum and most likely already had a good few guys... Actually I can't think of once I guys refused for that. I know how we play is at the highest end of the risk factor... So all we can do is be realistic... On laws of averages... I should not have been so lucky... But all I can do is continue to be tested often. Cali " God forbid it happen, but what if you contracted HIV? Would it stop your sex life or would you seek others with the same condition and carry on? It may seem like a strange question but in the adult film industry it has happened. Some of the stars who have/had the condition started performing and making films with others with the condition (check out John Staglione known as Buttman). I know you always give an honest answer Cali, I'm just asking out of curiosity | |||
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"haha lots of people speak pure shit on here oral sex carrys the same sti threat as sexual intercourse im 20 and have been to many sexual health lessons while at college and the whole stomach acid kills bacteria has no relation to sti's e.g chlymidia a guy doesnt need to even cum for thier partner to get chlymidia as pre cum/seamen also carrys it and it just being in your mouth is enough for you to contract syphalis, gohnaria, herpe's HIV,AIDS same goes for oral performed on women however without the seamen" Sailors at it as well eh?! | |||
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"thats it im never having sex again " lol yup the only safe sex is no sex | |||
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"thats it im never having sex again lol yup the only safe sex is no sex " What about the ones who have never been kissed, kicked or run over that end up with some of the nasty things. There's the ones who are born with HIV, some that have contracted it by discarded needles etc and the innocent wife/hubby at home who doesn't know what their other half has been up to. | |||
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"I think Master and Cali are the only ones on here who give straight, honest answers. " There are a few others... But yes.... I totally agree. | |||
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" DOnt have sex with a woman who demands you pay her then. All sorts of nasties in those that do. That's rubbish really... As most take more care of sexual health than most of us on here. Cali You serious? Sex workers either have a drug habit or love the money. Both compromise on safety when wads of cash are waved in front of them. A regular worker will come across at least 2-3 punters a week. How many of these guys are clean do you think?" depends what kind of sex work you do, not all sex workers are druggies walking the street with a pimp pulling their strings There are safe environments for sex workers to work, not all meet in hotels alone either Plus most sex workers will take their sexual health more serious as their muff is there living if its out of action they cant work so it pays them to make sure they stay clean and and get regular checks and pretty much all sex workers use condoms now days, if you decide to pick up a smack head on a street corner then you take your risk other than that you have no more risk of catching something than you do from someone on here Sex workers covers such a huge scale of work you cant tar them all the same, i think the problem is the word prostitute still just strikes terror into peoples mind and they still think even now days that all prostitutes are disease ridden whores willing to give a blow jon for a fiver to feed their drug habbit, and now days that type of prostitute, tho still exists is in the minority | |||
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"thats it im never having sex again lol yup the only safe sex is no sex What about the ones who have never been kissed, kicked or run over that end up with some of the nasty things. There's the ones who are born with HIV, some that have contracted it by discarded needles etc and the innocent wife/hubby at home who doesn't know what their other half has been up to. " I think the issue for some people that say they are 'reducing the risk' is that they think it will NEVER happen to them. They think the only people that will catch something are the ones that meet hundreds of people a year, the ones that bareback now and then. So... they think they are totally safe in their nice house with a nice garden, meeting nice couples with less than 10 veri's. They forget that it only takes ONE TIME to catch something, not 100 times. That couple they met last week that only had 2 respectable veri's... well the husband had a needle prick in the hospital he works at and as he thinks he's 'safe' he's happily having sex with the nice couple down the road..... and passing something on.... The nice couple with only 2 respectable veri's... she's on another site having bareback gangbangs... but she's not going to tell the nice people on here that... as she knows people will judge her...... The 'nice' couple will never get hit by that car... of course not..... | |||
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"thats it im never having sex again lol yup the only safe sex is no sex What about the ones who have never been kissed, kicked or run over that end up with some of the nasty things. There's the ones who are born with HIV, some that have contracted it by discarded needles etc and the innocent wife/hubby at home who doesn't know what their other half has been up to. I think the issue for some people that say they are 'reducing the risk' is that they think it will NEVER happen to them. They think the only people that will catch something are the ones that meet hundreds of people a year, the ones that bareback now and then. So... they think they are totally safe in their nice house with a nice garden, meeting nice couples with less than 10 veri's. They forget that it only takes ONE TIME to catch something, not 100 times. That couple they met last week that only had 2 respectable veri's... well the husband had a needle prick in the hospital he works at and as he thinks he's 'safe' he's happily having sex with the nice couple down the road..... and passing something on.... The nice couple with only 2 respectable veri's... she's on another site having bareback gangbangs... but she's not going to tell the nice people on here that... as she knows people will judge her...... The 'nice' couple will never get hit by that car... of course not..... " Ok well on that happy note were off out to try and enjoy ourselfs. | |||
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"I live on a main A road, due to parking restrictions, I have to park my car on the opposite side to where I live. Now I can walk 5 minutes down the road and use the footbridge to cross the road, and get my car. Or I can judge the traffic and walk across the road to my car. I've assessed the risks of walking across the road as opposed to using the bridge. In 3 years, I've never been close to being hit, neverB caused a driver to break sharply, never been sworn at for using the road inappropriately. My housemates have been doing the same for 6 years, and again have never had a problem. Yes, certain STI's can be caught through oral sex, however, the risk is a lot smaller than through unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Many have to have a route into your body, eg cuts, ulcers, bleeding gums, if these aren't present, then the stomach acid usually kills them before they get anywhere near the blood stream. It's all about assessing risks for me. Theoretically I have more chance of being hit by a car, seeing as I cross the A127 in the unsafe manner several times a day, then I have of catching an STI through unprotected oral, something I do rarely. " How are fixed for upping the ante and gobbing me off on the A127 | |||
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"In an ideal world there would be no need for condoms at all, but heh we all know the risks of unprotected sex. Finding the type of condom which suits us really helps to reduce negative effects on or even sometimes enhance the sensation. I have to say that we have to do risk assessment and personally I would not have vaginal or anal sex without a condom unless the lady and I where in a monogamous relationship. I have not yet found a condom which allows satisfactory sensation during oral sex, Any suggestions? " Sausage skin made from intestines sounds like it could be your thing | |||
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