FabSwingers.com forum: PreP on the NHS...available from April!

By *oft_Sensual OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

It seems the government have finally conceded to scientific reason and announced PreP will be available on the NHS to anyone at risk from April. Just thought I'd share the good news...and that it isn't just for gay/bi/trans people!! Go see your local sexual health clinic for details! x

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Preparing popcorn

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By *aimeSmithTV/TS
over a year ago

Cliss

Yay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well, i guess all us guinea pigs have done our job and shown it's safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another good use of NHS funds not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another good use of NHS funds not."

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

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yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope that condoms will still be used between non-manogimous couples? PrEP doesn't stop herpes, warts, unwanted pregnancy etc etc but I applaud this news. BDCAW Xx

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

What is the criteria for being prescribed this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is the criteria for being prescribed this?"

I think, and anyone else who wants to add or correct me please say, if you are gay, bisexual and/or have an active sexual lifestyle (sex work or swinging) you can ask to be prescribed PrEP to help stopping the spread/contracting HIV which can lead to AIDS. If I'm wrong then please correct me. BDCAW Xx

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Good news at last ....

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Bit strong the name calling when someone has a counter view point.

In my opinion good news terrible timing so may get pushed back.

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Sigh. But there are already many lifestyle drugs to assist people who could have take better care if themselves. For example High Blood pressure pills, type 2 diabetes, stains.

How about you don't mix apples and pears and try to make an argument which doesn't display personal prejudices against gay/bi men when this development will actually help anyone who is sexually active.

I think this is great news btw. For everyone

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Statins not stains...or maybe both

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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago

middle earth

Scotland is proof that the NHS don't need you to pay for prescriptions at all! Call it a waste, call it whatever. It's just crazy to me that you would ever have to pay to have access to medication

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Another good use of NHS funds not."

I agree with you to degree. Had a similar conversation with my gp last week when she offered me bariatric surgery.

My lifestyle choice to be fat, but apparently it's cheaper to what I could cost the NHS in the future. I declined as I've lost 13kg so far, just another 30kg to go.

So, prevention better than cure.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

This will help save life's so all good surely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Preventing disease is cheaper than treating it. It's very simple for most people to understand...

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

I think it is a superb idea.

My understanding is that it is a drug designed to help prevent the spread of HIV - is that correct?

Just imagine all the people who say they are straight but are infact bi. It at least helps to protect the innocent - maybe an innocent wife or girlfriend.

Second point; I suspect they have already done the numbers i.e., the cost of the drug versus the cost of dealing with full blown aids patients.

Third; why shouldn't bi or gay people enjoy themselves?

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

So I’m genuinely here to be educated by those much more knowledgable about the subject than me... why prep and not safer sex? I’ve seen it repeatedly mentioned in this thread that it’s great news for gay and bi men.

I can understand this in terms of someone who is in a relationship with someone who is HIV positive or for sex workers, but I’m struggling to understand the reason for prep for anyone else who just has multiple partners as a lifestyle choice over advocating safer sex with condoms which protects against a wide range potential infections?

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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

I’ve just read the story on BBC and, although Scotland already do this (with conditions) it’s welcome news for everyone. When we’re hearing so much about herd protection, this can only have a positive impact; whilst those who use it, acknowledge that PrEP does not protect against syphilis and gonorrhoea- both are on the rise.

When I’ve been for my sexual health testing, I’ve discussed PrEP and was told that I wasn’t in a high risk group to get it. I’m quite disappointed by that, as I like to take as many precautions to mitigate risk.

As far as “tax payers” money. People do realise that free condoms have been paid for by tax payers for over 30 years and you could say that is funding those who choose a certain lifestyle. The reality is that prevention is always better for the outcome of the patient and cheaper than treatment. Ergo. This actually saves the tax payers money, not costs them

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"So I’m genuinely here to be educated by those much more knowledgable about the subject than me... why prep and not safer sex? I’ve seen it repeatedly mentioned in this thread that it’s great news for gay and bi men.

Yes but do you really know your last person you had sex with what their sexual history is and do you always use a condom even for oral.

Belts and braces, just be safe.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

Yes but do you really know your last person you had sex with what their sexual history is and do you always use a condom even for oral.

Belts and braces, just be safe.

Oh I absolutely agree! I think my concern is that does prep provide people with a false sense of security? And thereby increasing the presence of other infections in the overall population - it is fact that syphilis and gonorrhea are on the rise!

Somehow I doubt everyone on prep is taking a belt and braces approach - I would imagine a significant number don’t use condoms.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

Yes but do you really know your last person you had sex with what their sexual history is and do you always use a condom even for oral.

Belts and braces, just be safe.

Somehow I doubt everyone on prep is taking a belt and braces approach - I would imagine a significant number don’t use condoms."

Well they should given that they are free when your on the program, including latex free ones too. But I understand your point and agree with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Open Letter to the Health Secretary

Dear Mr Hancock

Please ignore the Alf Garnett types on this website as they are extremely stupid, but you probably know that already. The couple of hundred million spent on Prep/year will be far and wide much better than the billions spent on Aids/HIV after care.

Thanks

Mr N

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

This is great news , there’s so much unnecessary suffering and so much money and science available to stop it. I wish something could be done about how global pharma control access to lifesaving drugs and vaccines. Yeah I know I takes 7 years and cost millions , I worked in that sector and still hold shares whose price tells me there’s far too much profit in pharma.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Open Letter to the Health Secretary

Dear Mr Hancock

Thanks

Mr N"
dear Mr Hancock ignore the selfish ones and think about those that really need your help spend wisely live long and prosper

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By *um4usbothCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough

Yes but do you really know your last person you had sex with what their sexual history is and do you always use a condom even for oral.

Belts and braces, just be safe.

Somehow I doubt everyone on prep is taking a belt and braces approach - I would imagine a significant number don’t use condoms.

Well they should given that they are free when your on the program, including latex free ones too. But I understand your point and agree with you.

There is always the small possibility that a condom will split. Surely taking the prep will allay any fears of getting infected. With having multiple sexual partners there is always a risk

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Yes but do you really know your last person you had sex with what their sexual history is and do you always use a condom even for oral.

Belts and braces, just be safe.

Somehow I doubt everyone on prep is taking a belt and braces approach - I would imagine a significant number don’t use condoms.

Well they should given that they are free when your on the program, including latex free ones too. But I understand your point and agree with you.

There is always the small possibility that a condom will split. Surely taking the prep will allay any fears of getting infected. With having multiple sexual partners there is always a risk "

Totally agree

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed?

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By *oft_Sensual OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Open Letter to the Health Secretary

Dear Mr Hancock

Thanks

Mr N"
Exactly

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

Yes but do you really know your last person you had sex with what their sexual history is and do you always use a condom even for oral.

Belts and braces, just be safe.

Somehow I doubt everyone on prep is taking a belt and braces approach - I would imagine a significant number don’t use condoms.

Well they should given that they are free when your on the program, including latex free ones too. But I understand your point and agree with you.

There is always the small possibility that a condom will split. Surely taking the prep will allay any fears of getting infected. With having multiple sexual partners there is always a risk

Totally agree

So genuinely do you think we should all be on prep?

(Just to be clear I’m not being argumentative - just an interesting discussion!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? "
yep just like mine looks like neither of us are on the moderators friends list

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? yep just like mine looks like neither of us are on the moderators friends list

At least we have one thing in common, lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? "
I'll take it there gay/ bi and don't like us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? yep just like mine looks like neither of us are on the moderators friends list

At least we have one thing in common, lol. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? yep just like mine looks like neither of us are on the moderators friends list

At least we have one thing in common, lol. "
proves a point if you can't have a discussion unless you're on one side just makes them look foolish there's replies to questions not on this place gets better

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? I'll take it there gay/ bi and don't like us

I'm bi actually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? I'll take it there gay/ bi and don't like us

I'm bi actually. "
well we obviously don't fit in with the crowd either of us.

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By *oft_Sensual OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? I'll take it there gay/ bi and don't like us

I'm bi actually. well we obviously don't fit in with the crowd either of us."

FYI, I've asked for no-ones responses to me removed! PreP isn't an excuse for 'unsafe' sex, it adds an extra layer of protection which is available to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation or gender- THAT is the big takeaway from the announcement. Imagine if everyone took PreP- no HIV- wouldn't that be fabulous?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cost to the NHS for Truvada (PreP) is over £5000 per year for each person taking it.

They will prescribe it only to those participating in risky behaviour.

Don’t forget also there are potential side effects from taking, although not experienced by everyone

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Anyone that has multiple sex partners should seriously think about taking prep. It isn't just for gay and bi but everyone. Doesn't mean that you have to stop using condoms but it's an extra layer of protection. And HIV can be transmitted via oral too so ask yourself do you always do oral covered as well?

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By *oAnCouple
over a year ago

Streatham

"Scotland is proof that the NHS don't need you to pay for prescriptions at all! Call it a waste, call it whatever. It's just crazy to me that you would ever have to pay to have access to medication"

You still pay just not directly. It still costs the same it is just that you pay indirectly through your taxes.

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By *oAnCouple
over a year ago

Streatham

Years ago I had a crazy night and the condom broke, had far too much to drink and had unprotected (more) sex with quite a few people. Anyhow I went for testing in Dean Street and went on a coarse that included PreP. So for me PreP was and is a lifesaver for when I'm stupid. Protects my health and others. Still believe in safe sex but a nice to have just in case.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Another good use of NHS funds not."

You'd prefer to have to pay more, treating people with lifelong conditions, that costs significantly more, whilst you increase numbers of people with compromised immune systems?

Even private for profit health systems, such as in the USA have been providing this treatment for several years, which ought to say something very clearly about it being a smart decision, despite detractors who have frequently been driven by bigotry and lacking in common sense and empathy, towards couples where 1 may be infected, whilst the other isn't.

Still, if you would prefer to have a greater number of people with hIV, you could mark yourself out.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

We can all go around saying people should have safe sex, just as we can go around saying people should exercise regularly, eat healthily, not drink to excess etc etc.

But the fact is people are weak and none of us do what we should do all the time. Thus when making decisions about health policy we have to work on the basis of what happens not what we think should happen.

So if prep on prescription reduces hiv infection, then it's a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided."

Are you under the impression that scientists only work on one disease at a time?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The WHO has a target of elimination of HIV. I view this as an investment towards us reaching this goal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just when my opinion of people on this site hits rock bottom, I find not one but many members saying that they would rather others die of HIV than have access to PreP on the NHS.

Wow, the basement on this place goes down for miles!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will keep an eye on this thread

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Will keep an eye on this thread"

And?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

Are you under the impression that scientists only work on one disease at a time?"
no I'm quite aware as my son's one of the people that find these vaccines.but I still say it shouldn't be cheaper on the NHS if it's 500 private then it should be 500 on the NHS not 17.50 to 30 risky or not it's a lifestyle choice we make unlike someone say a child born with a defect that can't get the drugs because nice decided to expensive but we can give you prep if you want to go and fook anything that walks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just when my opinion of people on this site hits rock bottom, I find not one but many members saying that they would rather others die of HIV than have access to PreP on the NHS.

Wow, the basement on this place goes down for miles!"
no there is a few more floors to go yet lb llb

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

Are you under the impression that scientists only work on one disease at a time?no I'm quite aware as my son's one of the people that find these vaccines.but I still say it shouldn't be cheaper on the NHS if it's 500 private then it should be 500 on the NHS not 17.50 to 30 risky or not it's a lifestyle choice we make unlike someone say a child born with a defect that can't get the drugs because nice decided to expensive but we can give you prep if you want to go and fook anything that walks."

Being gay or bi is not a lifestyle choice. We were born that way.

I'll give it 5 minutes before the moderator removes my reply.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

Being gay or bi is not a lifestyle choice. We were born that way.

I'll give it 5 minutes before the moderator removes my reply. "

PrEP isn't just for gay and bi people.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"well, i guess all us guinea pigs have done our job and shown it's safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ogerBottomsMan
over a year ago

Aberdare

"Another good use of NHS funds not."

Just because nobody wants to have it off with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

Being gay or bi is not a lifestyle choice. We were born that way.

I'll give it 5 minutes before the moderator removes my reply.

PrEP isn't just for gay and bi people. "
if it wasn't for gay / bi we wouldn't have needed prep now there's a thought

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

Being gay or bi is not a lifestyle choice. We were born that way.

I'll give it 5 minutes before the moderator removes my reply.

PrEP isn't just for gay and bi people. if it wasn't for gay / bi we wouldn't have needed prep now there's a thought

I don't understand. Can you explain?

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

Being gay or bi is not a lifestyle choice. We were born that way.

I'll give it 5 minutes before the moderator removes my reply.

PrEP isn't just for gay and bi people. if it wasn't for gay / bi we wouldn't have needed prep now there's a thought

Wow

Largest infection rate globally isn't caused by gay or bi men, it's militia r@pists storming through villages in Africa. Where they cant afford treatment and where taking treatment to them to help is a criminal offence. Women end up passing it to their children from birth and passed to their husbands. Leaving children orphaned because both parents die of aids.

In western countries it's higher in gay and bi population all due to one thing anal sex causes micro tears meaning catching any std is increased not just HIV. Straight people catch it all the same. HIV doesn't care what gender you are or what sexuality you have. So for blaming people for HIV and aids think about selfish fuckers who insist on bareback and having bareback sex even knowing their HIV status and the people who bareback regularly and never get tested. It's not a gay disease it's selfish fuckwit disease when many cases could well have been avoided by getting tested and being responsible with sexual health.

Regular testing and safer sex add that with PrEP HIV numbers will reduce over the decades. But it takes people being RESPONSIBLE with sexual health and drug use.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed? "

People you and others quoted broke rules....because you quoted them the post has to go

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed?

People you and others quoted broke rules....because you quoted them the post has to go

I quoted no one only pointed out gay and bi people also pay taxes to help fund the NHS and have just as much right to preventative medication as any other section of society.

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided.

Being gay or bi is not a lifestyle choice. We were born that way.

I'll give it 5 minutes before the moderator removes my reply.

PrEP isn't just for gay and bi people. "

I know.

In earlier posts of mine I replied to the assertion by SYDAZ that prep shouldn't be available on the NHS because it's only to protect the lifestyle choice of gay and bi people. My posts were removed.

I only mentioned gay and bi because that was who he was referring to and being gay is certainly not a lifestyle choice as he put it.

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By *oyle desiring dickWoman
over a year ago

a caffeinated bubble

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided."

A total of 96142 people, including 319 children aged under 15, recevied HIV care in 2018.

The number of people accesing specialist care for HIV has steadily grown over the last decade. From 2009 to 2019, the number of people accessing HIV care has increased by around 47%.

Cos I mean yeah....not prevalent at all

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed?

People you and others quoted broke rules....because you quoted them the post has to go

I quoted no one only pointed out gay and bi people also pay taxes to help fund the NHS and have just as much right to preventative medication as any other section of society. "

You did quote someone else who had broken rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just when my opinion of people on this site hits rock bottom, I find not one but many members saying that they would rather others die of HIV than have access to PreP on the NHS.

Wow, the basement on this place goes down for miles!"

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Could a moderator please tell me why my replies have been removed?

People you and others quoted broke rules....because you quoted them the post has to go

I quoted no one only pointed out gay and bi people also pay taxes to help fund the NHS and have just as much right to preventative medication as any other section of society.

You did quote someone else who had broken rules."

OK, thank you. Makes sense now.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I agree it is good news however I wish it had been easier to buy first of all.

If you could buy it from a local pharmacy we may have seen most people at risk self treating and then the NHS could have picked up the tab for those who could not afford it.

The get prep now website was good but I always found the buying process from linked suppliers difficult.

Paid once and they just returned the money.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Another good use of NHS funds not.

yes i know, trying to eradicate a disease is always a bad idea

yes certain ones should be left more important diseases to be eradicated first before ones that can be avoided."

If I might say so.....that sounds terribly judgmental !!!

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By *ustaceSmithMan
over a year ago

Saxmundham

This is a very good example of an issue where public policy (based upon utilitarian ethics) points in one direction and the personal sense that one should live in such a way as not to impose upon others the costs of one's own behaviour points in the opposite direction. Car insurance premiums are based upon the latter principle.

Sex seems to be a special case where self-restraint evaporates even amongst those who are otherwise disciplined in their behaviour. I am not sure where my view settles, but I am fairly sure that if the NHS were not free then the demand for its services would be lower.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sex seems to be a special case where self-restraint evaporates even amongst those who are otherwise disciplined in their behaviour. I am not sure where my view settles, but I am fairly sure that if the NHS were not free then the demand for its services would be lower. "

Why are you fairly sure? There are a ton of examples around the world disproving this rubbish.

The only people not using healthcare services when they would if they were free are people that can't afford to use them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When the coronavirus stuff dies away I will be seriously thinking of going on Prep. It will enable me to meet people I am currently boycotting because they do bareback and have more spontaneous meets, and enjoy the feel of spunk in my arse, preferably from multiple fucks after being gangbanged

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"When the coronavirus stuff dies away I will be seriously thinking of going on Prep. It will enable me to meet people I am currently boycotting because they do bareback and have more spontaneous meets, and enjoy the feel of spunk in my arse, preferably from multiple fucks after being gangbanged

Are you aware PREP is only for HIV?

Barebacking while on Prep wouldn't offer any protection at all from the other STD's.

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By *he riverdeep69Couple
over a year ago

North west ish

Wow! Fab never ceases to amaze.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I say knock yourself out on it. One less thing to worry about in the world we live in of plagues and diseases. eventually I do hope HIV can be eradicated in the UK and the rest of the world for that matter. I don't care what it costs.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

Are you aware PREP is only for HIV?

Barebacking while on Prep wouldn't offer any protection at all from the other STD's.

This issue is exactly what I was referring to in my earlier comments.

I think the prospect of the eradication of HIV is amazing and a huge break through. But we’d be fools to think it won’t encourage some to engage in risky behaviour that will see a rise in other STD’s.

But how do we combat that without jeopardising the incredible breakthrough in the fight against HIV that prep is offering us?!

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Posts like this are exactly why people get angry about the availability of PrEP. It's totally irresponsible. PrEP isn't an excuse just to go round barebacking all over the place. It is just an added precaution for HIV for people that have multiple sex partners. PrEP doesn't prevent other STDs so have a think about that before you start to spread them about everywhere.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

PrEP should be a back up on a back up.

It does not stop hepatitis which is a killer.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

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I'm assuming this is a taking the Mickey none serious post

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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

The trouble is that (in Scotland) that is exactly who is getting PrEP

I’ve just had my routine STI testing this morning and AGAIN asked for PrEP as a belt and braces option for group sex meets. Because I said I use condoms, I don’t qualify for it. I refused the leaflets, as that’s all they gave me the previous two times.

I even illustrated the scenario where a planned meet may be two weeks away. So as with Malerone (for trips to Malaria prone countries) I would take it before and a week after. This would be targeted use for a situation where there may be a greater risk. I was asked if these meets had men having unprotected sex and specifically me. I replied not if I have anything to do with it. Answer: NO, you can’t get it.

I made clear I was a swinger, made clear I was aware of any side effects but because I said I tried to be responsible, I don’t qualify.

So the announcement all over the press, is perhaps like so many announcements; the devil is in the detail.

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By *untop7Man
over a year ago

Eaton

What as a doctor annyos me is that all men think that while they are on PreP they have licence to bareback. What they seem to forget is that STI's can still be contracted and its on the up..HIV may be lept at bay but not STI's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

perp rollout on the nhs

I have been waiting for April the Prep rollout on the nhs

I rang today April 1st & was told it was being put on hold until after the virus outbreak !

Also the sti clinic staff where not available either as they also were being used to help in the pandemic !

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"perp rollout on the nhs

I have been waiting for April the Prep rollout on the nhs

I rang today April 1st & was told it was being put on hold until after the virus outbreak !

Also the sti clinic staff where not available either as they also were being used to help in the pandemic !

Whilst I appreciate your frustrations are you honestly surprised? The entire world is on hold, the NHS is on its knees right now.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"perp rollout on the nhs

I have been waiting for April the Prep rollout on the nhs

I rang today April 1st & was told it was being put on hold until after the virus outbreak !

Also the sti clinic staff where not available either as they also were being used to help in the pandemic !

And?

No one should be mixing socially so why would it be needed.

There are bigger priorities at the moment.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

This social distancing seems like a good opportunity to try and have a big push on hiv testing.

Most reasonable people will not be meeting new partners at this time.

Given that the window is likely to be 6 weeks or longer. It provides a firebreak to allow people after this to get tested before restarting sexual contacts and for anyone infected to get treatment which will help reduce onward transmission.

For those who get the all clear get them on prep and we could really push on achieving some long term benefits off the back of the current cv19 crisis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good news

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By *iscreetfuncpl12Couple
over a year ago

Somerset

We have a lot of gay friends who tell us they worry that lots of young gay men don’t have the fear of HIV that they have and see it as just an occupational hazard, so whether young men will seek out Prep is a moot point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No No Surprise at all

Just wanted people to Know the situation as told to me today !

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

"I think it is a superb idea.

My understanding is that it is a drug designed to help prevent the spread of HIV - is that correct?

Just imagine all the people who say they are straight but are infact bi. It at least helps to protect the innocent - maybe an innocent wife or girlfriend.

Second point; I suspect they have already done the numbers i.e., the cost of the drug versus the cost of dealing with full blown aids patients.

Third; why shouldn't bi or gay people enjoy themselves?"

Why would you think it is just for bi or gay people!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"perp rollout on the nhs

I have been waiting for April the Prep rollout on the nhs

I rang today April 1st & was told it was being put on hold until after the virus outbreak !

Also the sti clinic staff where not available either as they also were being used to help in the pandemic !

Hopefully no one is shagging anyone new at the moment so the gum clinics can focus their efforts into the pandemic.

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